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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4893172/Is-Parsons-Green-suspect-way-attack.html
Why am I not going to be shocked if we find out that he is actually significantly older than 18, after claiming to be 15 when he arrived?
Since my last post, the discussion on this thread re the Tories and the under 40s has been a very interesting read.
One thing I'd say that also hasn't helped the Tories is the impression older (Baby Boomers especially) Tory, Brexit voters really dislike young people. The whole millennials are terrible message from right-leaning publications like the Mail, is unlikely to endear many young people to conservatism. Articles like this aren't helpful: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4499044/How-millennial-s-INFURIATING-seniors.html
Why would any young person want to join the Conservative party, if its members/voters don't exactly have a positive attitude towards them? At least many of the older lefties (with the exception of some of those on the American Left, like Bill Maher from example) don't see all young people as 'snowflakes', 'whiners', 'entitled', and all the other negative terminology used to describe us. I have always found it bizarre that a few idiots at universities have led some to decide to negatively judge all/most young people.
Nice artwork
Lee Bum Suk.
And all the time a conservative voter and recently member.
I am sure you perform your paternal duties admirably and work hard for your community.
Irony is indeed alive and kicking.
A large minority of young people, myself included, vote for and campaign for the Tory party because politics is not determined by newspapers.
https://twitter.com/bbcemt/status/909510379335798784
There's a lot of us, but we keep quiet in mixed company!
However, my time when I was involved with local organisations provided many happy days and some sad ones too
I well remember meeting a group of 40 or so children from Manchester children's homes at Colwyn Bay beach and see them looking in awe, running wildly down to the sea and plunging in fully clothed. They had never seen the sea or a beach and they were completely mesmerised by the experience. Bless them
Osborne fans seem to take the opposite attitude.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/17/boris-johnson-theresa-may-brexit-showdown-10bn-payments-eu/
' A few days ago, a 16-year-old boy from Harlow in Essex was sentenced to three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution for the manslaughter of Arek Jozwik, a Polish man who had been living and working in Britain. The sentencing didn’t generate much media interest. There were no thinkpieces. Not much tweeting. Just some perfunctory news reports. Which is strange, because in August last year, when the boy, then 15, landed the fatal blow on Mr Jozwik, the media couldn’t get enough of this terrible incident. The commentary was ceaseless. The killing trended. But they’ve forgotten it now. And the reason they’ve forgotten it, the reason Mr Jozwik’s name has been all but erased from commentary circles, is pretty awful.
It’s because Mr Jozwik’s tragic fate is no longer politically useful to them. '
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-killing-in-harlow-the-shame-of-remainers/20327#.Wb7hXmf2bcc
Also in the Sunday Times.
The Mail article was included in the post as an example.
Although there was this bit of research in study on the Conservative Party Membership/voters:
And as for young people not respecting traditional British values, the Conservative Party’s membership seem to take a pretty dim view: eight out of ten Tories think that’s the case (77% vs. 78% of Tory voters). The same high proportion of Conservative grassroots members think schools should be teaching kids to obey authority (84% vs. 81% of Tory voters).
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-monica-poletti/eu-referendum-conservative-voters_b_17924942.html
I actually wouldn't entirely with your point that politics isn't determined by newspapers. As a source of news and worldview, I'd say it's not unreasonable to suggest that newspapers can shape people's politics to some extent.
What is interesting to me is that Corbyn has somehow managed to cross this line. It does feel like the usual conservative tactic of scaring people in to voting for them won't work any more, because with Brexit they are now the party of chaos and disorder. I sometimes wonder whether the tories have any future at all.
'Bat shit crazy ideology' - this may be why the Conservative Party struggles so much when it comes to younger voters if you're anyway representative of young Conservatives. The Conservative Party desperately need young people within its ranks who can reach out and understand the concerns of under 40s more generally. It looks like you don't perhaps get why so many of this demographic don't want vote Conservative. It's not because of a 'bat shit crazy ideology' - it's because of concerns surrounding housing, inter-generational unfairness, costs of living, inequality, social mobility, and a desire for more investment in health, education as well as anxieties about student debt. The Conservative Party as given little reason for most young people to vote for them, having placed much of burden/impact of austerity on those of working age.
Looking on Twitter, with the exception of Kirsten Soltis Anderson, it seems many young/millennial Conservative commentators love to 'hate' their generation, and then wonder why so many young people aren't giving Conservative ideas a hearing.
How do you think we managed before we were in the EU
I believe we have, or had, someone of this parish who has a home in Hungary. Again formerly a doddle. There are many young people who would have wished the chance to broaden their horizons but no the Little Englanders have denied them that.
I am not a Little Englander and nor are the many thousands of Welsh and Scots who voted to leave. The use of the word 'Little Englander' says more about your prejeudice than anything else
Oh, hang-on...
Good to see that the Lib Dems have resolved to call for a First Referendum once the terms and conditions are known.
The country has had quite enough of the bluff and bluster, smokescreens and mirrors, which is the way the Conservative Party operates nowadays. The country deserves better.
We would have gone for Theresa May.
It should be said though, that Conservative Members did elect David Cameron, when they saw that the IDS' and the Michael Howards' of the world weren't going to win them a majority.
Who can say that the same flaws may not have emerged in a long summer campaign against Leadsom. Leadsom would at least have been genuine and authentic and as with Corbyn maybe people would have warmed to that - and she did believe in Brexit like most party members.
You wonder how different UK politics might have been had Leadsom won - and where might we be now?
Now, I suppose it is possible that she would have been exposed by the leadership election, but I doubt it very much - she'd have been preaching to the converted, and her opponent didn't have the CV, or indeed the talent. It would have been an easy ride.
Still, although I think Corbyn will get in next time, I think it will be either as the largest party in a hung parliament or a small majority. I certainly don't see any party in the foreseeable future getting significant majorities.
Contrast that with the Tory manifesto which seems to have been written by a couple of SPADs. (Still, to be fair to the Tories, they did rather spring the election on themselves haha!)
In my mind, after seeing what has happened to Labour, I wonder if the members of political parties are really best placed to make these kinds of decisions on a one member one vote basis. Anyone can sign up and join a political party, and most of the people who join the parties don't do any actual work for them. Its just another direct debit that they never get around to cancelling.
Osborne's policies on help to buy, FLS, QE and more effectively priced out millions of young people from buying a home for ever. House prices doubling from £50k to £100k in the early 2000s is quite another matter to doubling from £250 to £500k as has occurred in London and much of the south east since 2011.
He also saddled a generation with massive tuition fee debts at huge interest rates.
Why would you back a party that has essentially destroyed your hopes and dreams? And yes Osborne with his policies did that! Unless the Tories address housing long term they are finished.
To be fair, stripping out your ugly prejudices, you do have a point: only Cameron and Osborne really engaged in campaigning for Remain. Labour were deliberately AWOL, and the LibDems were invisible. You should direct your anger at those who didn't step up to the plate, not those who did.
Possibly you need to get out more.
I think that the big issue with many members of political parties is that they have a tendency to cast their vote based on how much said candidate reflects their personal political views. When these political views are very much likely to be well to the left or right of public opinion.
Millennials are generally defined as the generation born after 1981 - the oldest of this generation would be 36. Labour has already won under 35s quite handsomely this time round. It's the more older generations of the working age population where they need to make ground.
And no, voting Corbyn doesn't prove they are 'entitled, irresponsible idiots'. Rather it's much more indicative how badly the Conservative party as alienated this generation.
Narcisstic.
Self centred.
Poor impulse control.
Emotionally needy.
Disorganised.
Could they be a psychopath? Or are they a six year old?
As a Father of 3 and a Grandfather of 4 the only thing that matters to me are my children and grandchildren's future and throughout my life I have always wanted the best for young people. Indeed I was chairman of our PTA, chairman of the group scout council, secretary of the community centre committee and was part of a group who tended to a local children's home needs through charity fund raising.
And all the time a conservative voter and recently member.
Was not a remark aimed at you or anyone else in your Party. Merely agreeing with Ms Apocalypse that articles like that one don't help.
I am sure you perform your paternal duties admirably and work hard for your community.
I am afraid 'tempus fugit' so I am not as active in the community as I was at one time.
However, my time when I was involved with local organisations provided many happy days and some sad ones too
I well remember meeting a group of 40 or so children from Manchester children's homes at Colwyn Bay beach and see them looking in awe, running wildly down to the sea and plunging in fully clothed. They had never seen the sea or a beach and they were completely mesmerised by the experience. Bless them
Indeed. It is a feature of people who are "interested in politics" that they tend to be the ones who are actively doing something to assist. We may criticise each others' policies, ideas and philosophies. We may even question each others' competence, judgement, common sense or sanity, at times, but for the vast, vast majority of individuals the motivation is to lend a helping hand. They are not the ones sitting around moaning.
The admirable activities you describe are replicated up and down the country, by groups small and large. Usually, you will find a member or volunteer for a political Party at the heart of it.
Sometimes this is forgotten in a haste to be partisan.
Still think that Mail article was bollocks mind.
Come on Zeitgeist, admit it, you're Katie Hopkins really.
I am sure you perform your paternal duties admirably and work hard for your community.
I am afraid 'tempus fugit' so I am not as active in the community as I was at one time.
However, my time when I was involved with local organisations provided many happy days and some sad ones too
I well remember meeting a group of 40 or so children from Manchester children's homes at Colwyn Bay beach and see them looking in awe, running wildly down to the sea and plunging in fully clothed. They had never seen the sea or a beach and they were completely mesmerised by the experience. Bless them
Indeed. It is a feature of people who are "interested in politics" that they tend to be the ones who are actively doing something to assist. We may criticise each others' policies, ideas and philosophies. We may even question each others' competence, judgement, common sense or sanity, at times, but for the vast, vast majority of individuals the motivation is to lend a helping hand. They are not the ones sitting around moaning.
The admirable activities you describe are replicated up and down the country, by groups small and large. Usually, you will find a member or volunteer for a political Party at the heart of it.
Sometimes this is forgotten in a haste to be partisan.
Still think that Mail article was bollocks mind.
Agree with you on this but I was not that politically engaged in those days. Just well known in the community in a non political way