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Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

As bad as the Equifax 'hack' might be, it's nowhere near as bad as the stuff Mylan have been getting up to with Epipen. Firstly there were the massive price hikes, and then this:

"FDA slams EpiPen maker for doing nothing while hundreds failed, people died
In damning letter, agency says maker didn’t fix violations or recall bad batches."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/fda-slams-epipen-maker-for-doing-nothing-while-hundreds-failed-people-died/

"Mylan had maintained about a 90% market share since it had acquired the product, and had continually raised the price of EpiPens starting in 2009: in 2009, the wholesale price of two EpiPens was about $100; by July 2013, the price was about $265; in May 2015, it was around $461; and in May 2016, the price rose again to around $609,[25] around a 500% jump from the price in 2009.[75] The cost of the drug and device to Mylan as of 2016 was about $35"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector

Declaration of interest: Mylan paid me a lot of money to help them buy Epipen from E Merck Darmstadt.

And your point is?

Because you are being unfair to Mylan but it's important to be transparent that I like Heather.

I have quoted sources. In what way am I being 'unfair' ?

As bad as equifax might be ... "it is no where near as bad as the stuff Mylan has been up to"

Certainly judgemental, and in my view unfair

SeanT said:

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

ON topic - I'm going to Oman tomorrow, with my good lady, has anyone else been? Any recommendations? It's totally new to me, I have no idea what to expect.

The Omanis lust after middle-aged White men. I'd be careful.

lol. Is that true??!!

I'm guessing you're joking.

Anyway I am safe from their ardours. This is something of a honeymoon (albeit a Times Travel piece for which I'm not paying).

Yes, I got married.

david_herdson said:

Three senior executives at the company - which is listed on the New York Stock Exchange - sold shares worth almost $1.8m before the breach was publicly disclosed."

HYUFD said:

Notice a number of EU flags in the hall itself for 'Rule Britannia' while just a sea of Union Jacks in Hyde Park

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Notice a number of EU flags in the hall itself for 'Rule Britannia' while just a sea of Union Jacks in Hyde Park

There was actually a frantic campaign by Remoaners to crowdfund and then hand out free EU flags to proms-goers tonight. I shit you not.

The definition of sadness and desperation.

https://twitter.com/RemainerAction/status/906622096100519938

OchEye said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like putting Kinnock up again in 1992 after his loss in 1987 turned out to be a mistake Labour could be doing it again. On the other side of course Heath did win after losing his first general election in 1966 in 1970 but that does not hold much comfort for Labour either as he only lasted a term losing his re election bid in February 1974 and finally being put out of his misery by Wilson in October of that year

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seats because the LD vote fell 4.8% from the 22.6% the SDP won in 1987 and almost all that went to Labour, the Tory vote was only down 0.3%, barely unchanged. The LD vote is now only 7% so Corbyn has effectively squeezed it as far as he can already

Labour gains from the SNP in Scotland of course make no difference to Tory prospects of forming a government or winning a majority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

Wrong, the SNP will deal with who ever may or may not deliver Independence, Tory, DUP or BritFirst. They will support the Labour Party only if they think it might increase their chances.

However, as people in Scotland look at the mess Westminster is making of Brexit after 40 years, they can imagine the problems of Scotexit after 300 years. The SNP are a busted flush.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and gettiyear

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seats because the LD vote fell 4.8% from the 22.6% the SDP won in 1987 and almost all that went to Labour, the Tory vote was only down 0.3%, barely unchanged. The LD vote is now only 7% so Corbyn has effectively squeezed it as far as he can already

Labour gains from the SNP in Scotland of course make no difference to Tory prospects of forming a government or winning a majority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

But some of the fall in the LD vote in 1992 will have gone to the Tories who lost 0.5% on a GB basis. I also suspect that Corbyn is now much less toxic with those white working class Labour voters who switched to the Tories in 2017. I am still not a great fan myself, but it is a pretty indisputable fact that his standing and authority have been greatly enhanced by the election result, and I suspect Labour has a good prospect of winning many of those voters back next time .

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

The current one is just fine

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

The current one is just fine

1) Our national anthem is annoying to republicans and atheists.

2) England doesn't have a national anthem.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

If you were referring to Jerusalem then you are a tasteless moron who has no right to comment on anything. It is simply the best classical song ever written.

I attend a lot of England cricket matches, they play it before the start of each day's play.

It doesn't inspire.

And don't even get me start about the idiot who wonders 'And did those feet in ancient time...'

The answer is NO.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

The current one is just fine

1) Our national anthem is annoying to republicans and atheists.

2) England doesn't have a national anthem.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/906629983182999552

Bloody hell this is good by @NickCohen4

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like putting Kinnock up again in 1992 after his loss in 1987 turned out to be a mistake Labour could be doing it again. On the other side of course Heath did win after losing his first general election in 1966 in 1970 but that does not hold much comfort for Labour either as he only lasted a term losing his re election bid in February 1974 and finally being put out of his misery by Wilson in October of that year

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seats because the LD vote fell 4.8% from the 22.6% the SDP won in 1987 and almost all that went to Labour, the Tory vote was only down 0.3%, barely unchanged. The LD vote is now only 7% so Corbyn has effectively squeezed it as far as he can already

Labour gains from the SNP in Scotland of course make no difference to Tory prospects of forming a government or winning a majority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct from the Brexit issue. Indeed I know of some people personally - including from within my own family - who switched from Labour because of him on the basis of his perceived unsuitability to be PM. I believe that many of those voters probably view him in a more positive light now - again I am aware of people who have switched back to Labour. I am not suggesting they will become Corbyn fans , but the issue of his suitability will be - indeed already is - much less salient.

SeanT said:

MP_SE2 said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Notice a number of EU flags in the hall itself for 'Rule Britannia' while just a sea of Union Jacks in Hyde Park

There was actually a frantic campaign by Remoaners to crowdfund and then hand out free EU flags to proms-goers tonight. I shit you not.

The definition of sadness and desperation.

https://twitter.com/RemainerAction/status/906622096100519938

Lol.

Now I think of it, I don't think I have ever seen an EU flag outside someone's house.

Congrats by the way.

I actually just got blocked - BLOCKED - by that Remainer who was in charge of the free-flag-handing-out thingy. He did this after I mildly mocked him by suggesting they should crowdfund some currywurst to wave at the Queen at Royal Ascot.

That was my crime. And he blocked me. These Remoaner twats are beyond pathetic. They're not just bad losers, they're feeble snowflakey pissabed nonces of the very first water. utterly laughable.

How are you gonna win over a nation to your way of thinking if, whenever someone engages your argument, you literally run away and hide?

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/906630594041348096

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

As bad as the Equifax 'hack' might be, it's nowhere near as bad as the stuff Mylan have been getting up to with Epipen. Firstly there were the massive price hikes, and then this:

"FDA slams EpiPen maker for doing nothing while hundreds failed, people died
In damning letter, agency says maker didn’t fix violations or recall bad batches."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/fda-slams-epipen-maker-for-doing-nothing-while-hundreds-failed-people-died/

"Mylan had maintained about a 90% market share since it had acquired the product, and had continually raised the price of EpiPens starting in 2009: in 2009, the wholesale price of two EpiPens was about $100; by July 2013, the price was about $265; in May 2015, it was around $461; and in May 2016, the price rose again to around $609,[25] around a 500% jump from the price in 2009.[75] The cost of the drug and device to Mylan as of 2016 was about $35"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector

Declaration of interest: Mylan paid me a lot of money to help them buy Epipen from E Merck Darmstadt.

And your point is?

Because you are being unfair to Mylan but it's important to be transparent that I like Heather.

I have quoted sources. In what way am I being 'unfair' ?

As bad as equifax might be ... "it is no where near as bad as the stuff Mylan has been up to"

Certainly judgemental, and in my view unfair

Ahem. One involves the loss of private data. It's bad.

The other involves rampant price inflation that might put life-saving medicine out of the reach of those who need it, quality-control issues, and failures associated with patient deaths (*).

So judgemental? Yes. Unfair? It doesn't look like it.

Deaths matter, after all, even if they paid you a lot of money.

(*) https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2017/ucm574981.htm

Alanbrooke said:

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

As bad as the Equifax 'hack' might be, it's nowhere near as bad as the stuff Mylan have been getting up to with Epipen. Firstly there were the massive price hikes, and then this:

"FDA slams EpiPen maker for doing nothing while hundreds failed, people died
In damning letter, agency says maker didn’t fix violations or recall bad batches."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/fda-slams-epipen-maker-for-doing-nothing-while-hundreds-failed-people-died/

"Mylan had maintained about a 90% market share since it had acquired the product, and had continually raised the price of EpiPens starting in 2009: in 2009, the wholesale price of two EpiPens was about $100; by July 2013, the price was about $265; in May 2015, it was around $461; and in May 2016, the price rose again to around $609,[25] around a 500% jump from the price in 2009.[75] The cost of the drug and device to Mylan as of 2016 was about $35"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector

Declaration of interest: Mylan paid me a lot of money to help them buy Epipen from E Merck Darmstadt.

And your point is?

Because you are being unfair to Mylan but it's important to be transparent that I like Heather.

I have quoted sources. In what way am I being 'unfair' ?

As bad as equifax might be ... "it is no where near as bad as the stuff Mylan has been up to"

Certainly judgemental, and in my view unfair

Ahem. One involves the loss of private data. It's bad.

The other involves rampant price inflation that might put life-saving medicine out of the reach of those who need it, quality-control issues, and failures associated with patient deaths (*).

So judgemental? Yes. Unfair? It doesn't look like it.

Deaths matter, after all, even if they paid you a lot of money.

(*) https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2017/ucm574981.htm

The US government chooses how to reimburse medicines. Mylan s strategy was not particularly egregious. And no one pays list price anyway

Quality is the industry's lodestar of course. Errors happen and are typically fixed quickly, but manufacturing standards are getting higher and higher and that is s good thing

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

SouthamObserver said:

RobD said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

at least they didn't try to cover up their crime by replacing the contents with a bottle of cheap plonk.

They didn't let it breathe!!!

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like putting Kinnock up againyear

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seats because the LD vote fell 4.8% from the 22.6% the SDP won in 1987 and almost all that went to Labour, the Tory vote was only down 0.3%, barely unchanged. The LD vote is now only 7% so Corbyn has effectively squeezed it as far as he can already

Labour gains from the SNP in Scotland of course make no difference to Tory prospects of forming a government or winning a majority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

If you were referring to Jerusalem then you are a tasteless moron who has no right to comment on anything. It is simply the best classical song ever written.

I attend a lot of England cricket matches, they play it before the start of each day's play.

It doesn't inspire.

And don't even get me start about the idiot who wonders 'And did those feet in ancient time...'

The answer is NO.

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like putting Kinnock up againyear

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015, actually most students repay their fees after they graduate.

It was not fees which cost May her majority but the dementia tax that was when the big shift from Tories to Labour with the 40s to 50s came. Though the Tories are promising some sensible proposals like cheaper 2 year degrees now

TheScreamingEagles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

It could have been much worse.

A former colleague of mine for 20 years had a special bottle malt whisky which he was saving for a very special occasion.

His girlfriend at the time didn't realise it was a special drink opened it, and worst of all, ADDED PEPSI to it.

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

I went through that with red wine

love the stuff but the tannin kills me next day, these days I stick mostly to white

do you get hit with all alcohol ?

I'm OK with a couple of beers and half a bottle of wine. Beyond that and I'm done whatever it is. I had a calvados on holiday after a superb dinner out. One glass. Loved it. The next day, horrific.

shit !

I couldnt face that !

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

I went through that with red wine

love the stuff but the tannin kills me next day, these days I stick mostly to white

do you get hit with all alcohol ?

I'm OK with a couple of beers and half a bottle of wine. Beyond that and I'm done whatever it is. I had a calvados on holiday after a superb dinner out. One glass. Loved it. The next day, horrific.

shit !

I couldnt face that !

Sometimes I just say fuck it and take the pain. That will not be my last calvados. But with the next one I'll go all in and have a Montecristo No. 2 as well!

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's up againyear

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats in 1992. Labour's potential to make substantial gains in Scotland next time might well mean that Corbyn performs a fair bit better than that.

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015,

the student loan system is in crisis and doesnt pay its way, eventually it will get dumped back on the tax paying public

why is it reasonable to stuff a 21 year old up with £57k of debt before they even have a job

what cost May a majority was having no policies

SeanT said:

These Remoaner twats are beyond pathetic. They're not just bad losers, they're feeble snowflakey pissabed nonces of the very first water. utterly laughable.

How are you gonna win over a nation to your way of thinking if, whenever someone engages your argument, you literally run away and hide?

SeanT said:

Alanbrooke said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here comes the dirge some bellends want as our national anthem.

nah this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

Our new national anthem, or England's national anthem should be Bohemian Rhapsody.

dont give a shit as long as we can nail katie dereham

Just one bottle? ;-)

way beyond that SO :-)

Good on you!

My allergy to hangovers means I have cutback on the booze big time this year. Never do more than half a bottle now and then only rarely. I splashed out on a very fine 2005 Tioja last time I eas in Barcelona and was saving it for Xmas. Got back from holiday to discover my daughter and her friends had drunk it. A body blow.

I went through that with red wine

love the stuff but the tannin kills me next day, these days I stick mostly to white

do you get hit with all alcohol ?

I get the same to a degree, but I find lighter reds such as Beaujolais are fine

Me too doc fox

I love chilled light reds and can just about cope with them

pinot noir d'alsace, gamay dornfelder et al are great

I don't know if I am lucky, or a secretly dying alcoholic, but I very rarely get hangovers these days.

I do a bottle of red a night, on average, with a day off once a week. I can go up to a bottle and a half, or two bottles of champagne, and STILL there's no hangover.

More than that and I do feel fuggy, but..... not unless.

It's quite weird. I wonder if my body has just adapted.

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like puttinar

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015, actually mes now

the student loan system is in crisis and doesnt pay its way, eventually it will get dumped back on the tax paying public

why is it reasonable to stuff a 21 year old up with £57k of debt before they even have a job

what cost May a majority was having no policies

Even on the governments own figures at leat a third of the fees will be written off, or more accurately, paid off by the taxpayer. It could well be more. There is a virtue trap in that those that do pay it off, will pay a second time via taxation.

As the system grinds on, more and more get sucked into that whirlpool of debt. They are unlikely to feel gratitude to the Tories, or indeed Vince Cable's LDs.

As a fifty something, I was quite OK with the Dementia tax.

HYUFD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like puttinar

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015,

the student loan system is in crisis and doesnt pay its way, eventually it will get dumped back on the tax paying public

why is it reasonable to stuff a 21 year old up with £57k of debt before they even have a job

what cost May a majority was having no policies

Even on the governments own .

You are centre left, hardly surprising you are not bothered by the government taking people's main asset nor taxpayers paying the entire fees of middle class students' degree courses

Alanbrooke said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like puttinar

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015, actually mes now

the student loan system is in crisis and doesnt pay its way, eventually it will get dumped back on the tax paying public

why is it reasonable to stuff a 21 year old up with £57k of debt before they even have a job

what cost May a majority was having no policies

Even on the governments own figures at leat a third of the fees will be written off, or more accurately, paid off by the with the Dementia tax.

me too

the tax on youth just sucks

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

Alanbrooke said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

stevef said:

So given that this has been true 15 out of 20 times since 1945 in the UK what does this mean for the next election in Britain? Because Corbyn still trails behind in the leadership stakes, even against the hapless Theresa May.

It means Corbyn's better than expected performance at the last general election may turn into a pyrrhic victory for Labour, instead of losing and getting someone who looks more like a leader and is a bit more centrist they may have given the Tories a 4th general election where they win most seats.

Much like puttinar

Kinnock did win an additional 42 seats

Kinnock only won an additional 42 seatority as SNP MPs will back Labour anyway

His st

I disagree . Many of the Labour voters who switched to the Tories this year did so on an 'Anti - Corbyn' basis which was very distinct

Corbyn

which is more damaging

dementia tax or university fees ?

The former as it cost the Tories with the 40 to 50 swing voter bracket, the young vote Labour anyway and university fees were brought in by Labour in the first place

not that simple

parents fund their kids, Uni fees stopped me voting conservative in 2015 and I agreed with Jezza in 2017

double whammy

The Tories won a majority in 2015,

the student loan system is in crisis and doesnt pay its way, eventually it will get dumped back on the tax paying public

why is it reasonable to stuff a 21 year old up with £57k of debt before they even have a job

what cost May a majority was having no policies

Even on the governments own figures at leat a third Cable's LDs.

As a fifty something, I was quite OK with the Dementia tax.

You are centre left, hardly surprising you are not bothered by the government taking people's main asset nor taxpayers paying the entire fees of middle class students' degree courses

the government could pay all the fees within existing taxation if it didnt piss money up the walls

start there

SeanT said:

We Brexiteers don't have to do anything. We don't have to engage or persuade or caucus.

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

I agree with the opponents of student loans. It is a subject on which I have almost completely changed my mind.

It's not working. It needs to be majorly finessed, or scrapped entirely.

What needs to happen is a proper market, slash fees for the lowest ranked universities and degrees with the lowest graduate premium, double them for Russell Group universities and degrees which will produce investment bankers, corporate lawyers, doctors and Google and Apple employees.

The problem with fees is the universal £9000 fee not the principle of fees themselves

Yes. That makes a lot of sense to me.

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

I agree with the opponents of student loans. It is a subject on which I have almost completely changed my mind.

It's not working. It needs to be majorly finessed, or scrapped entirely.

What needs to happen is a proper market, slash fees for the lowest ranked universities and degrees with the lowest graduate premium, double them for Russell Group universities and degrees which will produce investment bankers, corporate lawyers, doctors and Google and Apple employees.

The problem with fees is the universal £9000 fee not the principle of fees themselves

Yes. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Just needs a politician to take the plunge