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Typical sad Tory , where is the windbag Colonel we ask, her acolytes can but weakly avoid the subject. The windbag will not be able to say much about the spectacular new bridge built by SNP under budget with no money from the nasty party , who had a hissy fit and along with their torylab pals withheld any money.Scott_P said:
She was out and about yesterday, Malkymalcolmg said:Is she still alive, not been seen for a month at least. Too busy readmitting all the racists and homophobes to the party no doubt.
https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/902289985474265089
She will be out looking for tanks or bullocks to make a code of herself.0 -
She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.0 -
I was going to point out that in the photo I saw he was wearing boots, not shoes as the article suggested, but then it occurred to me that praising the POTUS for putting on the footwear someone else would have sorted out for him is treating him like a slightly dim five year old.619 said:
Or a speech at an evacuation centre were he says how big the crowd isSandpit said:
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
Am I giving him too much credit?0 -
Ashworth is fairly mainstream Brownite (indeed started as one of his advisors). He has been canny enough to not rebel against Corbyn and seems comfortable in the Shadow Cabinet, albeit in a fairly uncontroversial role. He was on the NECfor a long while and has a lot of Union support. He was parachuted into Leicester South, but has been quite active locally, so has grown on me.ydoethur said:
Would have said he was Brownite with leftish leanings. Dr @foxinsoxuk knows more about him.rottenborough said:
Thornberry's a bit of an oddity, in that iirc she jumped in to support Jezza because he was a friend and her next door neighbour in Islington, rather than being a pure Corbynista.surbiton said:
He is from the left. I wouldn't necessarily call him a Corbynista. You wouldn't call Thornberry a Corbynista, would you ?rottenborough said:
Shadow Health Sec iirc.TOPPING said:I am green on Thornberry, Ashworth and Kinnock.
Put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you who the hell Jonathan Ashworth is or was but I stand to win nicely if he becomes next Lab leader.
Been mentioned a few times on PB as a possible, as he is very Corbynista. Not bet on him myself.
Dunno about Ashworth. I assumed he was hard left. Maybe I am mistaken.
I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!
I see him winning as a unity candidate, butt may just be talking my own book!0 -
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.0 -
Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.0 -
That's just embarrassing.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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Johan Lamont?TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.0 -
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.0 -
I agree with you there then, Unionism needs both left and rightDavidL said:
That was my point. I think we are in agreement. Unionism needs both strands (and the Lib Dems for the not entirely serious). Labour do not need to fall into internal wrangling again.HYUFD said:
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezedDavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.0 -
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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So they are comparing him to the ship that sank the flagship of this country.williamglenn said:
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Not a good metaphor.0 -
Johann Lamont was probably the best since Dewar. Her or Wendy Alexander. But Kezia has grown into the role. How long before the average man in the street can pick out her successor from an identity parade? May be a year plus.TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.0 -
"Mr Trump attended a number of briefings on the flooding but will not be visiting Houston, swathes of which remain under nearly 50in (1.27m) of water.Sandpit said:
There’s almost nothing worse for the people on the ground after a disaster, than having to accommodate some bloody politician (and his entourage) who wants to be seen to be there.rottenborough said:
If we are on to what Trump is wearing, then this:ydoethur said:
I think it gets muddled with 'all hat and no cattle,' which is what I think was meant - all show with no substanceCD13 said:Mr Pulpstar,
"On North Korea I think Kim Jong In .might be working out Trump is all mouth and no trousers."
As I've said before, the correct expression (from the 1950s) is all mouth AND trousers.
An authoritarian tone and trousers represents manhood. The correct phrase is saying the person has the trappings of authority only. He's shouty man but that's all.
People confuse it with "Fur coat and no knickers." which is completely different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/melania-donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-hurricane-harvey-outfits/
"The president wants to be very cautious about making sure that any activity doesn't disrupt any of the recovery efforts that are still ongoing," White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ahead of the visit.""
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41088751
And look what happened to Bush when he didn't visit New Orleans.
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Mr. Eagles, your view of your own historical prowess is reminiscent of Nero and his violin.0
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I don't think so, he is depicted in 19th century Pickelhaube rather than sailor suit.williamglenn said:
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Bismarck was a genius. Germany only went off the rails when Wilhelm II became kaiser. Until then Germany was our friend.0 -
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonethelessTheScreamingEagles said:
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.0 -
While it's true Bismarck sank Hood in May 1941, she herself was sunk three days later.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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If only Frederick hadn't died after only 99 days.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think so, he is depicted in 19th century Pickelhaube rather than sailor suit.williamglenn said:
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Bismarck was a genius. Germany only went off the rails when Wilhelm II became kaiser. Until then Germany was our friend.0 -
I think friend is overstating it a bit. There was enormous mutual respect and considerable admiration in the UK of Germany's education system and developing technology but there was also some concern about the huge increase in Germany's power after they had knocked the French for 6 in 1870.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think so, he is depicted in 19th century Pickelhaube rather than sailor suit.williamglenn said:
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Bismarck was a genius. Germany only went off the rails when Wilhelm II became kaiser. Until then Germany was our friend.
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I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.Ishmael_Z said:
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.Nigelb said:
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.FrancisUrquhart said:
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.0 -
I am the Alexander the Great of historiansMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, your view of your own historical prowess is reminiscent of Nero and his violin.
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'A drunken caricature of Bismarck' might have been slightly more apt.TheScreamingEagles said:
So they are comparing him to the ship that sank the flagship of this country.williamglenn said:
Perhaps they had the ship in mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
Not a good metaphor.0 -
The Sun certainly seems to have an obsession with the EU and anal penetration in the "Up yours, Delors" tradition.TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.HYUFD said:
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonethelessTheScreamingEagles said:
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
Ed Miliband = pleb0 -
Johanna "The Scots can't make political decisions" Lamont.TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.0 -
Mr. Eagles, remind me never to get drunk with you*.
*Not that I get drunk, of course. I am a sober fellow.0 -
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Could have been worse, he could have said 'Scots are too wee, too poor, too stupid to make decisions'Alistair said:
Johanna "The Scots can't make political decisions" Lamont.TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.0 -
Lamont was pish. Wendy Alexander was good and if Brown hadn't knifed her then Sindy would have been dead and buried years ago.DavidL said:
Johann Lamont was probably the best since Dewar. Her or Wendy Alexander. But Kezia has grown into the role. How long before the average man in the street can pick out her successor from an identity parade? May be a year plus.TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Grey. He won me a lot of money in 2011.Sandpit said:
Donald DewarScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: Coming up, full answer to that fiendish pub quiz question 'Name all the Leaders of Scottish Labour since devolution in 1999' #keziadugdale
Err
Umm
Ooh
Kezia.
Jim Murphy, Wendy Alexander, and Henry McLeish are the only ones I can remember plus the two you mentioned.
Her response of "Bring it on" to a 07-11 SindyRef would have ended the SNP project there and then.0 -
I never get drunk, I'm a good Muslim boy.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, remind me never to get drunk with you*.
*Not that I get drunk, of course. I am a sober fellow.0 -
Depends what you mean by "need". No-one is confronting their delusions in today's politics.ydoethur said:[...]
I have to say I can't imagine Thornberry as leader. OK, so she carries less baggage than Corbyn but a woman who insisted, in the face of an MoD statement to the contrary, that she genuinely believed she had been a Colonel in the British Army is not what Labour need right now. The need someone who will confront their delusions, not add to them!
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The analysis conflates two quite separate problems: (a) monopolies (or near enough) in some cases; (b) the aggregation and mining of personal data.Nigelb said:
I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.Ishmael_Z said:
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.Nigelb said:
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.FrancisUrquhart said:
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.0 -
It is not a proper title, she only got it because her husband became a judge and she does not use it. She went to a comprehensive and Kent University which Ed Miliband beats in poshness with his comprehensive followed by Oxford.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.HYUFD said:
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonethelessTheScreamingEagles said:
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
Ed Miliband = pleb0 -
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/9028073181187645440 -
Mr. Eagles, reminds me of a self-described 'good Jewish boy' on The Apprentice. When they got sent to go shopping in Marrakesh, he bought a halal chicken. Which is fine, except he'd been told to get a kosher one and didn't know the difference.0
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Uhuh.HYUFD said:
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezedDavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
How's your Dugdale for FM campaign going?
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Well she won 6 seats off the SNP at the general election, if she wants to retire for personal reasons that is up to her but she made progressTheuniondivvie said:
Uhuh.HYUFD said:
While the Tories can take rural and suburban seats off the SNP only a left-wing Labour Party can retake SNP seats in Glasgow and Dundee and the central belt, thus the two leave the SNP squeezedDavidL said:
I think that is optimistic. Ruth won seats because Labour was taking votes from the SNP. If Labour fall back the SNP will be stronger. Even in Scotland there is plenty of room on the centre left and it can't be left to Nicola.Scott_P said:
The consensus view seems to be if Labour tack left (which appears inevitable) that is bad news for Nicola and great news for Ruth.DavidL said:Surprised about Kezia. There are clear signs that Labour are on the way back in Scotland and she deserves most of the credit. Given the very lukewarm thanks from Corbyn I suspect that there have been even more disagreements behind the scenes than there have been in public.
The cupboard is pretty bare in SLAB. It would not be good for Unionism for Labour to slip back again. They can take votes off the SNP that Ruth could never get near.
Ruth needs to keep tacking to the centre too. It is odd how little we have heard of the Scottish party going it alone since the election. If Ruth really wants to be First Minister it is a no brainier. Rebranding the party as the Unionist party is the way forward.
How's you Dugdale for FM campaign going.0 -
Michael Sophocles - definitely one of the more memorable contestants even though he didn't win !Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, reminds me of a self-described 'good Jewish boy' on The Apprentice. When they got sent to go shopping in Marrakesh, he bought a halal chicken. Which is fine, except he'd been told to get a kosher one and didn't know the difference.
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They should have gone for "Knock-off Napoleon", leaving it open as to whether they were referring to the emperor or the brandy.CarlottaVance said:
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/902807318118764544
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Mr. Pulpstar, indeed. I also recall him shrieking like a football fan on drugs when he won a challenge, which drew a surprised response from Sir Alan/Lord Sugar (not sure if he was a peer at that point).0
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Only because our Foreign Secretary got there first. I would have thought grossly insulting our partners when we need a deal and they, frankly, are indifferent about whether we get we want, would be unlikely to lead to negotiating success. But what do I know about negotiation? Mr Johnson can quote Xenephon and has a ready supply of Nazi jokes to disarm our continental friends.CarlottaVance said:
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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So it was Jacob Rees-Mogg that called Juncker a pound shop Bismarck.
What a complete tool.0 -
It’s amazing how people fail to understand that with all these ‘social media’ sites, they are not the customer but the product.DecrepitJohnL said:
The analysis conflates two quite separate problems: (a) monopolies (or near enough) in some cases; (b) the aggregation and mining of personal data.Nigelb said:
I think 'utterly impractical' just about covers all that.Ishmael_Z said:
The solution isn't just impractical, it exacerbates the problem by a factor of about a million. Imagine a Corbynite Stasi getting its hands on that lot and trawling the data for evidence of thoughtcrime. Contrariwise, if you did nationalise them they would become so uncool they would be abandoned overnight, so you would have to nationalise or ban any competitors which sprang up in their place.Nigelb said:
The solution proposed is utterly impractical, but the problem of increasingly powerful monopolies is a real one.FrancisUrquhart said:
But just as monopolies became a big political issue at the turn of the last century, I think that over the next decade the new monopolies will have huge political salience.
Business 101, the customer is someone who pays you money. If it’s free then you’re not the customer.0 -
As Ms Thornberry famously observed when Mrs May teased Lady Nugee "I never have been and never will be a lady" - while her career and house make her slightly posh she's more in the mould of a meritocratic Tory...HYUFD said:
It is not a proper title, she only got it because her husband became a judge and she does not use it. She went to a comprehensive and Kent University which Ed Miliband beats in poshness with his comprehensive followed by Oxford.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can't be a posho if you went to a comprehensive school unless you have a peerage/title.HYUFD said:
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonethelessTheScreamingEagles said:
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
Ergo Lady Nugee = posho
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While going with another member of the "invade and conquer France" club.CarlottaVance said:
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/9028073181187645440 -
Innovative jam and hot pasties I'm guessing.
https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/9028155543602790410 -
Perhaps they should pick a less political member of the club like Ronald McDonald.Ishmael_Z said:
While going with another member of the "invade and conquer France" club.CarlottaVance said:
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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A posh tool!TheScreamingEagles said:So it was Jacob Rees-Mogg that called Juncker a pound shop Bismarck.
What a complete tool.0 -
Did the violin exist in the 1st Century CE?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, your view of your own historical prowess is reminiscent of Nero and his violin.
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The CER's views on what the German elections mean for Brexit:
http://www.cer.eu/insights/what-german-elections-mean-brexit
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Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.0 -
Re the podcasts, Keiran could do with PBers assistance in coming up with questions for his next two guests
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/902606861190529024
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https://www.highgrovegardens.com/children-s-garden-tools.htmlSandyRentool said:
A posh tool!TheScreamingEagles said:So it was Jacob Rees-Mogg that called Juncker a pound shop Bismarck.
What a complete tool.0 -
The usual anti Brexit briefing although if the source is from EU27 diplomats it shows there's no breakdown between them and the Commission.
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-brexit-charm-offensive-falls-flat/0 -
Haverstock is nowhere near Notting Hill. The house Ed grew up in may well be worth well over £1 million now. It certainly wasn't when he was growing up in it, let alone when his parents bought it. His Dad was very well connected, though.HYUFD said:
Yes he was, he grew up in a million pound house in Notting Hill, his father was left wing aristocracy and had Tony Benn round for dinner. He went to Oxford and was only sent to a Holland Park comp for ideological reasons. Thornberry in any case was also state educated and did not go to Oxbridge unlike Ed M. Miliband may not be as posh as privately educated niece of the Countess of Langford Harriet Harman but he is posh nonethelessTheScreamingEagles said:
No he wasn't.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband was a poshoTheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
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Q. What chance of freedom of movement deals with Canada, Oz, NZ in a post-Brexit world?TheScreamingEagles said:Re the podcasts, Keiran could do with PBers assistance in coming up with questions for his next two guests
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/902606861190529024
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That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
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British steel and pluck to tell johnny foreigner what's whatFF43 said:
Only because our Foreign Secretary got there first. I would have thought grossly insulting our partners when we need a deal and they, frankly, are indifferent about whether we get we want, would be unlikely to lead to negotiating success. But what do I know about negotiation? Mr Johnson can quote Xenephon and has a ready supply of Nazi jokes to disarm our continental friends.CarlottaVance said:
I suspect they are trying to avoid Godwin....TheScreamingEagles said:Some Tory MPs have a poor grasp of history as Morris Dancer. Bismarck was a success.
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More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.rottenborough said:
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpoolrkrkrk said:
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...rottenborough said:
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.0 -
When Nero was knocking around no one was talking about AD either.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.0 -
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.0 -
Is there the slightest chance of the nations/countries/regions of the UK having differentiated immigration controls after Brexit (as proposed by, say, Michael Gove before he thought Brexit would win).TheScreamingEagles said:Re the podcasts, Keiran could do with PBers assistance in coming up with questions for his next two guests
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So what did Nero call 60 AD?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.0 -
Ab urbe condita 813TheScreamingEagles said:
So what did Nero call 60 AD?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.
= DCCCXIII (I think)0 -
@TheScreamingEagles re Jonathan Portes question.
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
– for follow up: "yes" implies "soft Brexit, "no" implies "hard Brexit".0 -
Yup, that's 813 in Roman NumeralsIshmael_Z said:
Ab urbe condita 813TheScreamingEagles said:
So what did Nero call 60 AD?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.
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Mr. Meeks, so?
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.0 -
Why producer/consumer and not capital/labour? Is it because the consumers to which you refer are retired?geoffw said:@TheScreamingEagles re Jonathan Portes question.
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
– for follow up: "yes" implies "soft Brexit, "no" implies "hard Brexit".0 -
Michael Sheen playing Nero and Michael Sheen playing Blair is basically the exact same performance.0
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My guess is that they will wish to put up one Corbynista candidate. Why nominate more?TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
The interesting thing about Thornberry is that she does not give the impression of being much of a Corbynista in terms of ideological outlook. She is much more of a careerist.
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I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
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Cheers for all the questions for Keiran, I've passed them on.
You can tweet Keiran direct as well.0 -
Thornberry is +582 in the book at the moment.
But this has a while to run yet.0 -
I suspect he would actually call it the 23rd year of my reign, or the years of X's consulship.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, that's 813 in Roman NumeralsIshmael_Z said:
Ab urbe condita 813TheScreamingEagles said:
So what did Nero call 60 AD?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, must admit, right after posting that I did consider amending it but thought I'd give Mr. Eagles a rare open goal.
Probably not, though a lyre/lute was probably what Nero plucked. More importantly, CE is revisionist nonsense. It's AD.
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A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.SandyRentool said:
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.0 -
Just a pity they got the start point wrong by a few years.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, so?
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.0 -
They do have the most sophisticated electorate in the world...TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.SandyRentool said:
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.0 -
There is a false dichotomy and a false assumption in that short question. Producer interests and consumer interests aren't alternatives. Arguably they coincide, not least because consumers are often producers. Also whether we get a "hard" or "soft" Brexit is largely out of the hands of producers and consumers. It will be dictated by what the EU and our government are prepared to offer and accept. And I set aside what "hard" and "soft" Brexit translate to in actual outcomes.geoffw said:@TheScreamingEagles re Jonathan Portes question.
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
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Like it or not, we are a rather secular society these days, Mr.D.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, so?
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
"Year of our Lord" has a rather archaic ring - and anyway, 'Common Era' has had a decent two or three centuries history behind it, so it's hardly revisionist.0 -
They're different things. Portes is an economist, he will get it.williamglenn said:
Why producer/consumer and not capital/labour? Is it because the consumers to which you refer are retired?geoffw said:@TheScreamingEagles re Jonathan Portes question.
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
– for follow up: "yes" implies "soft Brexit, "no" implies "hard Brexit".
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Never mind that, I discovered my favourite ever conspiracy theory the other day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesisSandyRentool said:
Just a pity they got the start point wrong by a few years.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, so?
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
Pope Sylvester II (999-1003) wanted to be Pope at the millennium, so completely fabricated 297 years of history (AD 614–911) to bump himself up to 1000 AD.0 -
My objection to BC and AD is that it offends my sense of neatness to have one term in English and one in Latin.Nigelb said:
Like it or not, we are a rather secular society these days, Mr.D.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, so?
The calendar the West uses is the Christian calendar. It's ridiculous to try and airbrush God/Jesus out of it for some namby-pamby 'Common Era' rebrand. You might as well remain Thursday because it's named after Thor.
"Year of our Lord" has a rather archaic ring - and anyway, 'Common Era' has had a decent two or three centuries history behind it, so it's hardly revisionist.0 -
Thanks.NickPalmer said:
More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.rottenborough said:
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpoolrkrkrk said:
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...rottenborough said:
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
A "semi-Corbynite"? This is a new concept.0 -
He'll get the question, but not why a hard Brexit is supposed to favour consumers. He might even throw in some mocking references to Patrick Minford and the IEA.geoffw said:
They're different things. Portes is an economist, he will get it.williamglenn said:
Why producer/consumer and not capital/labour? Is it because the consumers to which you refer are retired?geoffw said:@TheScreamingEagles re Jonathan Portes question.
On Brexit: Should producer interests take precedence over consumers?
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How many times have we had this conversation? The Tory leadership election is nothing like AV. Not even close.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.SandyRentool said:
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.0 -
There's rounds of voting, where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated, until we have a final two, and the winner is the one that gets above 50% of the vote.Sandpit said:
How many times have we had this conversation? The Tory leadership election is nothing like AV. Not even close.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.SandyRentool said:
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
That's AV isn't it?0 -
Yer actual betting. Interesting to see all things to all men Anas at the top.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/902834936381665281
Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.0 -
There is only one Jeremy! That does make picking his successor tricky. A lot of his supporters are attracted to him personally - as Nick himself makes clear. It is not certain they will all coalesce around someone else with similar views, but with a different way of expressing them.rottenborough said:
Thanks.NickPalmer said:
More the lack of a clear push to do it. You get local Momentum people saying "we need to deselect centrists and I have a little list", and the rest of the movement looks embarrassed and changes the subject. The assessment by the leadership is that most Labour MPs are primarily loyalists who will crew the ship quite happily so long as it's getting somewhere. Messing around with trying to deselect them is actively against the interest of that strategy. Hardcore centre-right people who actively conspire even in good times are thin on the ground and can be shrugged off.rottenborough said:
I seem to recall someone on PB (Nick P?) saying on the ground the momentum crowd don't have the numbers at the local and regional meetings. They don't turn up in enough numbers. They may be shouty but not sufficient. Of course that might gradually change, or indeed, not be the case in some seats e.g. Liverpoolrkrkrk said:
Hard for me to take these stories seriously... by now we should have been on the second or third round of everyone but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott being deselected...rottenborough said:
That said - maybe this time really will be different!
Where Momentum is keen and gaining ground is in ensuring that the rules allow a post-Corbyn contest to include a semi-Corbynite candidate. The general view among members is that it would be unwise as well as unfair to try to prevent that, so the argument is gradually being won.
A "semi-Corbynite"? This is a new concept.
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It has to be Anas Sarwar, purely to see what David Coburn calls him.Theuniondivvie said:Yer actual betting. Interesting to see all things to all men Anas at the top.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/902834936381665281
Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.0 -
williamglenn said:
They do have the most sophisticated electorate in the world...TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like the Tories, who use AV in all but name to elect their leaders, but opposed AV in the 2011 referendum.SandyRentool said:
I find it strange that the Kippers campaign against FPTP for Westminster elections, and yet use FPTP for their own internal elections.TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour use the finest voting system in the known universe, AV, to elect their leaders, so they can put up as many Corbynite candidates as they wish.SouthamObserver said:
That's very unlikely. There will be one Corbynista candidate and it is very likely to be a woman. McCluskey's comments probably reflect the current thinking in and around the leader's office. However, the key will be who Jon Lansman goes for. He controls the Momentum database and therefore has a lot more clout than Champagne Len.TheScreamingEagles said:She'll do very well for Labour.
Lady Nugee is a posho, and in recent times only poshos have won majorities.
I think the next Labour leadership contest will be between Thornberry, Burgon, and Abbott.
It would be an issue if they used FPTP like UKIP do, where their winning candidate could win with 15% of the vote.
Only whem they get down to voting on the last two candidates.
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What a poor state SLAB has become. I have literally never heard of a single candidate in this list, except vague feeling Findlay rings a bell. And I'm a bit of a political anorak.Theuniondivvie said:Yer actual betting. Interesting to see all things to all men Anas at the top.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/902834936381665281
Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.0 -
Findlay was Corbyn's Scottish campaign manager.Theuniondivvie said:Yer actual betting. Interesting to see all things to all men Anas at the top.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/9028349363816652810 -
If I can date a Corbynite, I can date a Brexiteer (Seriously, do people really date based on political beliefs?)
https://twitter.com/FT/status/9028365485001195530
