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In the immediate aftermath of the disappointing general election for the Conservatives George Osborne suggested that the the Prime Minister was “a dead woman walking” a view that was shared by many who expected an early resignation.

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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    She doesn't look to me as if she's in danger.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,757
    Depends on how party members respond to her walk of atonement in Manchester.

    If she's as tone deaf as she was on June 9th then she'll be forced out.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Depends on how party members respond to her walk of atonement in Manchester.

    If she's as tone deaf as she was on June 9th then she'll be forced out.

    She had had a few hours to rehearse in then, she'll have had several months now and with someone other than Nick n fi to help her prepare. Wooden but adequate is the likeliest result.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,757
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Depends on how party members respond to her walk of atonement in Manchester.

    If she's as tone deaf as she was on June 9th then she'll be forced out.

    She had had a few hours to rehearse in then, she'll have had several months now and with someone other than Nick n fi to help her prepare. Wooden but adequate is the likeliest result.
    If I can pelt her with rotten fruit and shout 'shame' at her, I'll be very happy.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,693
    Brathwaites out at last!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,403
    At conference, Theresa needs to appease three elements: the Tory hard Right, the Kippers and the Daily Mail. If she can stay in their good books she will be fine. The Tories don't like losers, so she should also behave as if the general election was a stunning victory and a personal triumph. There should also be plenty of harsh words for such national scourges as liberals and remainers. The Tories will lap that up and learn to love her once again.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,693
    HYUFD said:

    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority

    There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    IDS' last poll as leader had the Tories on 35%, 3% behind Labour on 38%. May won 7% more than IDS got in that poll at the general election and led Labour by 2%, IDS has developed since his leadership some interesting ideas on social justice but he never got the Tories as high as Cameron or May have done
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-2001-2005
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2017
    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Wrong, T May won most votes and seats, gaining votershare on 2015 but losing some seats, on no definition does that make her a loser, even if she did not do as well as she hoped she still won enough to form a majority with the DUP. IDS probably would have done better than some expected and likely about as well as Howard did but the Tories would not have got more votes and seats than Labour in 2005 under his leadership
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Stark_Dawning said:

    At conference, Theresa needs to appease three elements: the Tory hard Right, the Kippers and the Daily Mail. If she can stay in their good books she will be fine. The Tories don't like losers, so she should also behave as if the general election was a stunning victory and a personal triumph. There should also be plenty of harsh words for such national scourges as liberals and remainers. The Tories will lap that up and learn to love her once again.

    Good luck with trying to persuade the Tories that she achieved a stunning victory and personal triumph.They have a lot more sense than believe in fairy tales from Maidenhead.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority

    There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
    Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.

    The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,757
    edited August 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    So you'll be offering me 100/1 on May going before Brexit is complete, because I'd like £100 on that.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    edited August 2017
    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser? They have to have held a position of some seniority to be considered

    You say May, fair enough

    Corbyn lost the GE
    Cable was in govt and lost his seat at the end of it
    Cameron lost the referendum
    Clegg led his party from Coalition to oblivion
    Brown never won a GE or even the party leadership
    Salmond lost a referendum
    D Miliband lost the party leadership contest, his brother lost a GE
    Osborne was booted out by his own party after orchestrating the referendum loss

    Are there any?

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    HYUFD said:

    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority

    Don't give me this bollocks again. Yes CON overall vote share went up 5.8%. Only problem is that LAB went up 9.8% It is this gap that is everything.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Tony Blair is the only former or current UK party leader alive who has never lost a general election (ie failed to win a majority) or referendum as a party leader
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    So you'll be offering me 100/1 on May going before Brexit is complete, because I'd like £100 on that.
    £10 maybe on May not going before the March 2019 deadline for completion of Brexit talks, I almost never bet more than that on anything
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    HYUFD said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Wrong, T May won most votes and seats
    What is it with Leftish posters?

    They seem to have an allergic reaction to female leaders.

    Possibly why the Lib Dems & Labour have never had one, while the Tories are on their second....
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com
    Could be a long wait
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    HYUFD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com
    Could be a long wait
    Hasn't been updated since mid-June.....
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    So you'll be offering me 100/1 on May going before Brexit is complete, because I'd like £100 on that.
    So would I , if they are so confident .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    Yes and both the left and right loathe him which makes it even more amusing, where Blair did brilliantly was with the largely politically apathetic majority who only vote at general elections and otherwise barely give politics a second thought
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    Icarus said:

    There is no way that the Tories will go into the next election with May as leader. She will need to decide to go,or be got rid of, probably this Autumn.

    That the candidates to succeed her are no better than she is, is a problem; with but one of them will have to be given a chance.

    There is next to zero chance May goes before Brexit is completed in my view
    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com
    Could be a long wait
    Hasn't been updated since mid-June.....
    Wonder why
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    CarlottaVance said:

    HYUFD said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Wrong, T May won most votes and seats
    What is it with Leftish posters?

    They seem to have an allergic reaction to female leaders.

    Possibly why the Lib Dems & Labour have never had one, while the Tories are on their second....
    Indeed
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    He lost a by election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,757
    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Do not underestimate the intransigence of a bloody difficult woman.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    Theresa May is also the only Tory leader in the last 25 years to have won more than 40% of the vote at a general election.

    As for grammar school kids, 3/4 of the last 4 Tory overall majorities won at a general election have been won by leaders educated at a grammar school. I say that as a public school boy myself (albeit with a sister educated at a grammar and cousins at comprehensives)
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    Yes and both the left and right loathe him which makes it even more amusing, where Blair did brilliantly was with the largely politically apathetic majority who only vote at general elections and otherwise barely give politics a second thought
    I believe not just the apathetic In my family it was the only time in 97 , we all voted the same way.Father Thatcherite , Mother CND , wife soft Labour , me Centrist , brother Union man.other brother Lib dem.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,693
    HYUFD said:

    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority

    There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
    Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.

    The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
    That’s true about the SDLP, but the DUP aren’t particularly enamoured of traditional Tories either. That’s why they are there. AIUI they started off, at least as a sort of Unionist Methodists, as in the Labour Party being a coalition of Methodism and Marxism.

    And yes, I know the Rev Ian Paisley couldn’t be described, in today’s terms, as a Methodist, but his views were a lot closer to Methodist Unionists than to the Anglican Tories
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    Ken Clarke defecting?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,258
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    It became a comp while she was there.

    Indeed I think she is the only Prime minister to have attended a comprehensive school?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    Not true, the last Survation poll had the Tories getting a higher voteshare under May than under Rudd, Hammond and Davis. Only Boris took the Tories to a slightly higher voteshare than May did but then Labour also did slightly better against Boris than against May
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited August 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Depends on how party members respond to her walk of atonement in Manchester.

    If she's as tone deaf as she was on June 9th then she'll be forced out.

    She had had a few hours to rehearse in then, she'll have had several months now and with someone other than Nick n fi to help her prepare. Wooden but adequate is the likeliest result.
    If I can pelt her with rotten fruit and shout 'shame' at her, I'll be very happy.
    But is she the sought to set fire to the 1922 Committee before they can judge her?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    Yorkcity said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    Yes and both the left and right loathe him which makes it even more amusing, where Blair did brilliantly was with the largely politically apathetic majority who only vote at general elections and otherwise barely give politics a second thought
    I believe not just the apathetic In my family it was the only time in 97 , we all voted the same way.Father Thatcherite , Mother CND , wife soft Labour , me Centrist , brother Union man.other brother Lib dem.
    Yes, in 1997 he literally walked on water and his approval ratings were in the stratosphere following his 'People's Princess' statement after Diana's death. I doubt we will ever get a PM in my lifetime as popular as that in peacetime. Once he invaded Iraq though his popularity would never reach the same heights again
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    It became a comp while she was there.

    Indeed I think she is the only Prime minister to have attended a comprehensive school?
    Shhhhhhh!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,693
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    It became a comp while she was there.

    Indeed I think she is the only Prime minister to have attended a comprehensive school?
    I think the only recent party leader to do so was Tim Farron, although Scots secondary education is largely comprehensive.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    OldKingCole said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    It became a comp while she was there.

    Indeed I think she is the only Prime minister to have attended a comprehensive school?
    I think the only recent party leader to do so was Tim Farron, although Scots secondary education is largely comprehensive.
    Ed Miliband went to a comprehensive as did William Hague as well as Farron, so comps have a bit of a way to catch up if they are to match general election winners from private schools and grammars
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    Yes and both the left and right loathe him which makes it even more amusing, where Blair did brilliantly was with the largely politically apathetic majority who only vote at general elections and otherwise barely give politics a second thought
    I believe not just the apathetic In my family it was the only time in 97 , we all voted the same way.Father Thatcherite , Mother CND , wife soft Labour , me Centrist , brother Union man.other brother Lib dem.
    Yes, in 1997 he literally walked on water and his approval ratings were in the stratosphere following his 'People's Princess' statement after Diana's death. I doubt we will ever get a PM in my lifetime as popular as that in peacetime. Once he invaded Iraq though his popularity would never reach the same heights again
    Very true.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.

    Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority

    There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
    Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.

    The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
    That’s true about the SDLP, but the DUP aren’t particularly enamoured of traditional Tories either. That’s why they are there. AIUI they started off, at least as a sort of Unionist Methodists, as in the Labour Party being a coalition of Methodism and Marxism.

    And yes, I know the Rev Ian Paisley couldn’t be described, in today’s terms, as a Methodist, but his views were a lot closer to Methodist Unionists than to the Anglican Tories
    The DUP grew out of the Ulster Unionist Party which in turn grew out of the Tory Party
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,891
    F1: pre-race ramble:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/belgium-pre-race-2017.html
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Yorkcity said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    Yes and both the left and right loathe him which makes it even more amusing, where Blair did brilliantly was with the largely politically apathetic majority who only vote at general elections and otherwise barely give politics a second thought
    I believe not just the apathetic In my family it was the only time in 97 , we all voted the same way.Father Thatcherite , Mother CND , wife soft Labour , me Centrist , brother Union man.other brother Lib dem.
    Yes, in 1997 he literally walked on water and his approval ratings were in the stratosphere following his 'People's Princess' statement after Diana's death. I doubt we will ever get a PM in my lifetime as popular as that in peacetime. Once he invaded Iraq though his popularity would never reach the same heights again
    Very true.
    "literally" is pushing it, but yes, he came close to disproving the claim that you cannot fool all the people all the time.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    tlg86 said:

    Yorkcity said:

    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    stevef said:

    No. The great difference between Theresa May and IDS is that she is a sitting prime minister who has just won an election, albeit without a majority, and IDS was an Opposition Leader who looked as if he never would. The other difference is that there were clear and more electable alternatives to IDS, but there are none to be seen at present to Theresa May.

    This is why Theresa May will survive probably until at least Brexit is complete, or until the political situation makes it look as though an election is imminent (after 5 by election defeats for example).

    But TMay is proven loser. IDS was never given the chance to test that out
    Who in modern politics would you say isn't a proven loser?
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair in general elections.
    He lost a by election.
    Indeed not many though especially from 97 to O1 if my memory is correct.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,258
    edited August 2017
    OldKingCole said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is the only Tory leader in the last 20 years to have lost net seats at a general election.

    Very poor from the grammar school girl, I thought grammar school kids were meant to be better than privately educated kids.

    It became a comp while she was there.

    Indeed I think she is the only Prime minister to have attended a comprehensive school?
    I think the only recent party leader to do so was Tim Farron, although Scots secondary education is largely comprehensive.
    Miliband was at a comp, although it was a private school in all but pay while he was there given its catchment area.

    Hague and May both had spells at grammar school.

    But I don't think any other PM has been to a comp, certainly not an English one. Brown was at Kirkcaldy High but effectively at a separate grammar school within it.

    Edit - in fact would Hammond be the most senior politician ever to have had a fully and unambiguously comprehensive education?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    Git or gift?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    Because 42% of the vote isn't enough?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,248
    edited August 2017
    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    In my lifetime the Tory leaders in my view go

    1 Thatcher
    2 Cameron
    3 Major
    4 May
    5 Howard
    6 IDS
    7 Hague

    So she is an average Tory leader, not great but not terrible either
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    I couldn't agree more, but what are the betting implications of that? We could be looking back in 10 years time and thinking that the moronic GE 2017 decision was the best thing ever to happen to the tory party (and therefore the country - same thing, obv). At the cost of a diminished majority and a billion quid to stuff in Arlene's gob, we have bought three more years and the invaluable information that May is useless, and that Corbyn is not - you can't have too much of that kind of info, and without GE2017 we would be sitting here thinking "Corbyn electable? LOL!" Oh, and we got Nick n Fi out of the picture. So it wasn't all bad.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    @isam - I see the guy was driving a Prius. I wonder if he had it in electric mode so they couldn't him coming?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    tlg86 said:

    @isam - I see the guy was driving a Prius. I wonder if he had it in electric mode so they couldn't him coming?

    From Luton! The plot thickens, this is inscrutable
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    @isam - I see the guy was driving a Prius. I wonder if he had it in electric mode so they couldn't him coming?

    From Luton! The plot thickens, this is inscrutable
    It's a good job that many of these people are utterly incompetent.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,254
    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    Which makes her sky high ratings up to approximately 15/05/17 all the more curious.

    Nor was May the first to have such high levels of approval for unknown reasons - see Brown in the summer of 2007 and Clegg during election 2010 for other examples.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    @isam - I see the guy was driving a Prius. I wonder if he had it in electric mode so they couldn't him coming?

    From Luton! The plot thickens, this is inscrutable
    Mike said the other day that Luton is a lovely place
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    https://twitter.com/spectator/status/901507449764622336
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Beginning to think Sadiq Khan and Jose Mourinho are the same person, they look very alike to me.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Was it "I don't believe it!" ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,254
    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    I couldn't agree more, but what are the betting implications of that? We could be looking back in 10 years time and thinking that the moronic GE 2017 decision was the best thing ever to happen to the tory party (and therefore the country - same thing, obv). At the cost of a diminished majority and a billion quid to stuff in Arlene's gob, we have bought three more years and the invaluable information that May is useless, and that Corbyn is not - you can't have too much of that kind of info, and without GE2017 we would be sitting here thinking "Corbyn electable? LOL!" Oh, and we got Nick n Fi out of the picture. So it wasn't all bad.
    The Conservatives have also learnt that they need to do something to increase home ownership levels among the young and that student debt needs changing.

    Or rather they should have learnt that, whether they have and whether they will do anything assuming they have are different matters.

    Not to mention discriminating against oldies in England and Wales re WFA loses votes

    Or that its a good idea to have some sort of positive message attached to a government election campaign.

    Or that promising extra money for the NHS is a good idea even if its only what it would received through inflation.

    Or { add your own lesson from GE2017 )
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    another_richard said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    I couldn't agree more, but what are the betting implications of that? We could be looking back in 10 years time and thinking that the moronic GE 2017 decision was the best thing ever to happen to the tory party (and therefore the country - same thing, obv). At the cost of a diminished majority and a billion quid to stuff in Arlene's gob, we have bought three more years and the invaluable information that May is useless, and that Corbyn is not - you can't have too much of that kind of info, and without GE2017 we would be sitting here thinking "Corbyn electable? LOL!" Oh, and we got Nick n Fi out of the picture. So it wasn't all bad.
    The Conservatives have also learnt that they need to do something to increase home ownership levels among the young and that student debt needs changing.

    Or rather they should have learnt that, whether they have and whether they will do anything assuming they have are different matters.

    Not to mention discriminating against oldies in England and Wales re WFA loses votes

    Or that its a good idea to have some sort of positive message attached to a government election campaign.

    Or that promising extra money for the NHS is a good idea even if its only what it would received through inflation.

    Or { add your own lesson from GE2017 )
    Get a leader who can be bothered to turn up to the debates.

    One thing.we can.guarantee now is that no PM ever again will fail to attend the debates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,258
    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    My name is Dave?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
    :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited August 2017
    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    They arent retweets....?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited August 2017
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
    Winning here...Unlike the lib dems.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    edited August 2017
    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    haha my post saying no one mentioned it was deleted :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    Moderators...Why are we not allowed to repeat was it being reported prominently by the bbc news?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited August 2017
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
    Winning here...Unlike the lib dems.
    Be careful with the LibDem comments at the moment; Alice_Aforethought was banned the other night for being disrespectful about VCable.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Moderators...Why are we not allowed to repeat was it being reported prominently by the bbc news?

    It's strange isn't it? Not just on here but most discussion boards.

    It's all rather baffling.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TMay staying - the Tory git to LAB

    You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
    The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.

    She is simply unable to relate to people.
    I couldn't agree more, but what are the betting implications of that? We could be looking back in 10 years time and thinking that the moronic GE 2017 decision was the best thing ever to happen to the tory party (and therefore the country - same thing, obv). At the cost of a diminished majority and a billion quid to stuff in Arlene's gob, we have bought three more years and the invaluable information that May is useless, and that Corbyn is not - you can't have too much of that kind of info, and without GE2017 we would be sitting here thinking "Corbyn electable? LOL!" Oh, and we got Nick n Fi out of the picture. So it wasn't all bad.
    The Conservatives have also learnt that they need to do something to increase home ownership levels among the young and that student debt needs changing.

    Or rather they should have learnt that, whether they have and whether they will do anything assuming they have are different matters.

    Not to mention discriminating against oldies in England and Wales re WFA loses votes

    Or that its a good idea to have some sort of positive message attached to a government election campaign.

    Or that promising extra money for the NHS is a good idea even if its only what it would received through inflation.

    Or { add your own lesson from GE2017 )
    Get a leader who can be bothered to turn up to the debates.

    One thing.we can.guarantee now is that no PM ever again will fail to attend the debates.
    That's a great shame because the debates are appalling style over substance.
    I really hoped that a few more rebellions against the tyranny of the MSM would have had these awful beauty contests abandoned.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    edited August 2017
    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    CopperSulphate said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Moderators...Why are we not allowed to repeat was it being reported prominently by the bbc news?

    It's strange isn't it? Not just on here but most discussion boards.

    It's all rather baffling.
    "Most"? Not sure what discussion boards you frequent but the ones I comment on most frequently are predominantly unmoderated and free flowing.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Oh here we go...more hate facts.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Is this a "despite brexit" or "because of brexit" news events?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Oh here we go...more hate facts.
    The Met Police seem to have caught Islamaphobia. They really were institutionally racist all along!
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    isam said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Oh here we go...more hate facts.
    The Met Police seem to have caught Islamaphobia. They really were institutionally racist all along!
    I hope the Met Police are going to investigate this blatant right-wing hate mongering from the Met Police.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    edited August 2017
    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Oh here we go...more hate facts.
    The Met Police seem to have caught Islamaphobia. They really were institutionally racist all along!
    I hope the Met Police are going to investigate this blatant right-wing hate mongering from the Met Police.
    I do not agree with people shouting "Allahu Akhbar" while waving swords at policeman outside Buckingham Palace but I will defend until my dying breath their right to say it
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    isam said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    isam said:

    I'm afraid no one guessed correctly

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/901403218084716544

    Oh here we go...more hate facts.
    The Met Police seem to have caught Islamaphobia. They really were institutionally racist all along!
    I hope the Met Police are going to investigate this blatant right-wing hate mongering from the Met Police.
    I do not agree with people shouting "Allahu Akhbar" while waving swords at policeman outside Buckingham Palace but I will defend until my dying breath their right to say it
    https://youtu.be/anEuw8F8cpE
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,737
    edited August 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Depends on how party members respond to her walk of atonement in Manchester.

    If she's as tone deaf as she was on June 9th then she'll be forced out.

    Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay. The question isn't about her, it's about who replaces her and there is no one in the offing. The current Cabinet is completely bereft of talent and second raters and no hopers are using her weakness to cling on to their ministerial cars which should long have passed on to the 2010/2015 in take who are still waiting for the older generation to realise that without Dave, they are nothing.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
    He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited August 2017
    Discussion of issues relating to moderation is not allowed as regular PBers will know.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 608
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
    You forgot the apostrophe
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,258
    edited August 2017
    gettingbetter said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    'Brexit means Brexit?'
    You forgot the apostrophe
    Is that a genuine error or is it sarcasm?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,597
    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
    He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
    True. Attack by gondola would be slower.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    MaxPB said:

    Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.

    There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,737
    williamglenn said:

    MaxPB said:

    Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.

    There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
    Sometimes I just wish you would fuck off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,258
    edited August 2017
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
    He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
    True. Attack by gondola would be slower.
    On the other hand, considered as a purely academic point, I would have thought it would be easier to load a small barge with large amounts of explosive and detonate it somewhere vulnerable when you have canals literally right up to the front door, rather than a lorry which can only carry a relatively small load.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,597
    ydoethur said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
    He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
    True. Attack by gondola would be slower.
    On the other hand, considered as a purely academic point, I would have thought it would be easier to load a small barge with large amounts of explosive and detonate it somewhere vulnerable when you have canals literally right up to the front door, rather than a lorry which can only carry a relatively small load.
    Also true. Water is an unknown factor though - you might just give everyone an almighty soaking.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,606
    edited August 2017
    ydoethur said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    GeoffM said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/901504529795035139

    Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
    Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
    It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
    Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
    He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
    True. Attack by gondola would be slower.
    On the other hand, considered as a purely academic point, I would have thought it would be easier to load a small barge with large amounts of explosive and detonate it somewhere vulnerable when you have canals literally right up to the front door, rather than a lorry which can only carry a relatively small load.
    Yeah but you can just drive the lorry at people, then light the gunpowder for the double play
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