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"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html0 -
Sorry about that, Mr.D. (Though, FWIW, I was backing Hamilton.)Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
F1: ****ing hell. Raikkonen had a serious vibration through qualifying and didn't do his final lap (due to error) on which everyone else markedly improved. He should've been 2nd (outside shot of pole).
*sighs*
The conspiratorially minded will note that Raikkonen managed to give Vettel a very helpful tow before pulling out of his final quail attempt...0 -
Would that take the wind out of separatism or encourage it further, do we think?williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html0 -
Much as I agree with his sentiments, I can't help feeling that they might have been more persuasively expressed...619 said:0 -
Mr. B, ha, makes it sound like *you* made the vibration happen.
I'd be less miffed if it weren't one of several bad pieces of luck to happen recently. Just a bit galling.
Conspiracy theorists here would be daft. If Raikkonen made a mistake as he said, and no reason to doubt it, why wouldn't he (either on his own or via suggestion) keep on some sort of pace to help Vettel out, when Vettel was notionally 5th at that point? Costs Raikkonen nothing, helps his friend and team mate in the title fight.0 -
More Unionist votes for SCon!williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html0 -
Mr Glenn is an unswavering Unionist!Winstanley said:
Would that take the wind out of separatism or encourage it further, do we think?williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html
European Unionist that is!0 -
Or that achieving or obtaining good things involves drudgery and delayed gratification**.Philip_Thompson said:
Goodness knows children wouldn't learn anything from knowing where fresh food comes from too.CarlottaVance said:
And goodness knows we don't need children out in the fresh air getting exercise.isam said:
We already have EU slave labour, why not join in with the rest of the 3rd world we are becoming part of?619 said:
Written as a former "child slave"* from the berry camps of the Vale of Strathmore.
*unaccountably paid and allowed to return home each evening.
** not necessarily in the case of berry picking.0 -
Yes that was a little unlucky. The one that got away, a great tip from half a week out though, even though I didn’t follow you in. A great bit of teamwork from the Finn to get Vettel onto the front row as well.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
F1: ****ing hell. Raikkonen had a serious vibration through qualifying and didn't do his final lap (due to error) on which everyone else markedly improved. He should've been 2nd (outside shot of pole).
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Mr. Sandpit, yeah. Would've been nice. It's galling when sound judgement is thwarted. Happens, though, and sometimes fortune can turn stupid bets into winning tips, but it's harder to bear misfortune when it comes in a legion rather than dribs and drabs, mixed with good luck.
Got some race ideas, but markets are still sleepy.0 -
Gets out of the way just a the right moment to give Vettel the tow on the straight, and not take away downforce with his wake turbulence in the following corners ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, ha, makes it sound like *you* made the vibration happen.
I'd be less miffed if it weren't one of several bad pieces of luck to happen recently. Just a bit galling.
Conspiracy theorists here would be daft. If Raikkonen made a mistake as he said, and no reason to doubt it, why wouldn't he (either on his own or via suggestion) keep on some sort of pace to help Vettel out, when Vettel was notionally 5th at that point? Costs Raikkonen nothing, helps his friend and team mate in the title fight.
Of course it was utterly fortuitous, but Vettel in his post race interview said that Raikkonen had given him the ideal tow.
(And I disclaim all responsiblity for sabotage.)0 -
He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html
I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.0 -
On the odds offered, the bet against Hamilton was probably value - but when you bet against favourites, you're going to lose every so often.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah. Would've been nice. It's galling when sound judgement is thwarted. Happens, though, and sometimes fortune can turn stupid bets into winning tips, but it's harder to bear misfortune when it comes in a legion rather than dribs and drabs, mixed with good luck.
Got some race ideas, but markets are still sleepy.0 -
It's also UKIP policy is it not?ydoethur said:
He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html
I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.0 -
Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.0
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I have no idea. I think it is obvious to everyone with an IQ of above about 10 that the current situation is daft and unworkable, the only problem is nobody has come up with an alternative that would command widespread support. A Federal Senate above four parliaments would definitely be worth exploring.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's also UKIP policy is it not?ydoethur said:
He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).williamglenn said:"Jeremy Corbyn puts federal government 'on the table' if Labour win power"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-federal-government-kezia-dugdale-devolution-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-stv-a7913876.html
I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.0 -
Mr. B, indeed.
Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.0 -
Don't forget they are an exceptionally inexperienced side. Might they just be beginning to learn how to play test cricket ?ydoethur said:Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.
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It is.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, indeed.
Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.
Just hope that we get a clean start...0 -
Fixed it for youNigelb said:
Don't forget they are an exceptionally inexperienced side. Might they just be beginning to learn how to playydoethur said:Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.
testcricket ?
It is really rather sobering to reflect that Anderson, Broad, Cook and Ali have played 30% more matches than he entire WI XI.0 -
Half of British strawberries are grown at waist height. These would be ideal.isam said:
The joints of OAPs probably aren't up to picking fruits in fields, whether they are Brexiteers or notPong said:
Probably a joke letter, but there is a serious point there.619 said:
Why can't retired brexiteers pick fruit for their pensions?
Non-medical retirement won't be a thing for the kids generation.0 -
I see they are making a film of Borg vs McEnroe.
The utterly irritating Shia LaBeouf is perhaps ideal casting as McEnroe - just hope the tennis is convincing.0 -
Mr. B, I shall reserve my preference on the start's cleanliness until my bets are determined.0
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And the child labour could get the rest...foxinsoxuk said:
Half of British strawberries are grown at waist height. These would be ideal.isam said:
The joints of OAPs probably aren't up to picking fruits in fields, whether they are Brexiteers or notPong said:
Probably a joke letter, but there is a serious point there.619 said:
Why can't retired brexiteers pick fruit for their pensions?
Non-medical retirement won't be a thing for the kids generation.
It's either that or robots.0 -
A 'successful' start then, Mr D. ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, I shall reserve my preference on the start's cleanliness until my bets are determined.
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The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:619 said:
/twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576
https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/9012633840873349140 -
Making convincing sports footage for a film is always difficult, as anyone who's had the misfortune to see the 'rugby' sections of 'Invictus' could tell you.Nigelb said:I see they are making a film of Borg vs McEnroe.
The utterly irritating Shia LaBeouf is perhaps ideal casting as McEnroe - just hope the tennis is convincing.0 -
Mr. B, yes indeedington.
One thing I considered pre-weekend and may check again is Hulkenberg top 6 (was 3.5).
There's a reasonably chance of a clash into the first corner, I suspect the upper midfield likeliest to suffer, although the tightness of the contest at the sharp end must shorten the odds on a first row fracas.0 -
A clean start, at Spa..?Nigelb said:
It is.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, indeed.
Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.
Just hope that we get a clean start...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=o02s_g5AUUE0 -
Brathwaite a very impressive centurion given the circumstances.
And with a six before tea, no less.
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Wow. Just - wow.foxinsoxuk said:
The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:619 said:/twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576
https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/9012633840873349140 -
You can see West Indies getting 400 here if they keep their heads. But can they then exploit that to put pressure on England?0
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Mr. Sandpit, safety car nowadays.0
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F1: Susie Wolff dresses like my 80 year old mother.0
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Annoyingly so. But not next year!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, safety car nowadays.
1.4 on the safety car is a good bet for tomorrow. (BF).0 -
“If the goal is to accomplish absolutely nothing and fundamentally destroy the Republican Party from a national perspective, I wouldn’t change a thing,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff and adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.ydoethur said:
Wow. Just - wow.foxinsoxuk said:
The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:619 said:/twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576
https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/25/trump-gop-attacks-fallout-grows-242051
Will the GOP try and save itself at some point?0 -
Mr. Sandpit, odds too short for me. Seen a weather forecast?0
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They’re possibly expecting rain - but it’s Spa, it has its own weather system!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, odds too short for me. Seen a weather forecast?
By the way, a name to watch for the future, Charles Leclerc. He just won the F2 race by 26s in 25 laps. And they all have the same car! He’s a Ferrari young driver, must have a great chance of a seat at Sauber or Haas next year.0 -
Mr. Sandpit, Haas, I think, have announced they're keeping their driver lineup for 2018.
I guessed in my pre-qualifying waffle that Leclerc would go to Sauber.0 -
F1: I'm going to save tips for when I've got the full markets to peruse, but I'm bamboozled by Hulkenberg's top 6 odds lengthening from 3.5 pre-weekend to 3.75 after he qualified 7th. Does he have a penalty I don't know about? Otherwise, his odds increasing seem bizarre.0
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daodao, you are showing the classic signs of someone who has doubts about your own sexuality, just saying.619 said:
So you think homosexuals and transexuals will always molest people?daodao said:
Because normal people shouldn't be put in a situation where they fear someone in a position of authority could molest them without effective redress.Nigelb said:
That doesn't answer the question, which was why, not where.daodao said:
I was thinking of professions connected with the law or where physical contact (in some cases intimate) is part of the job.Nigelb said:
Other than your own prejudice, why ?daodao said:
Trump was right to ban transgender individuals from the armed forces. The military should also be exempt from laws that prohibit discrimination against pederasts/homosexuals and other sexual deviants. There are probably other professions that should be exempt from such non-discrimination laws as well.Roger said:
That's splitting hairs to the point of trying to mislead. 68% oppose the ban 27% are in favour. What 619 said was just about spot on.CarlottaVance said:
While most people don't support it, most Republicans do:619 said:
Most people thinks he is a hateful prick over the transgender military ban.
http://time.com/4886165/trump-transgender-ban-poll/0 -
It is clearly unacceptable to have statues of slaveholders, especially when they fought a war of independence precisely in order to maintain the bondage of these slaves. It is for this reason that the Aberdeen branch of the Wallace Must Fall Campaign proposes to put a rope around the neck of the statue of William Wallace and pull it down.
http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.id/2017/08/wallace-must-fall.html0 -
Trump got 42% in OC even in 2016, only 3% less than he got nationally and 11% more than he got across California as a whole. Against a leftist like Warren he could well win OC which is more centrist, libertarian than left liberalCharles said:
OC won't vote for TrumpHYUFD said:
True but Hillary only lostOldKingCole said:
When electing a POTUS the popular vote doesn’t count. As we saw last year. The Dem strategy has to be to win at least some of the big states (which they did) and a reasonable number of the small ones, which was where their strategy went awry.HYUFD said:
He will likely have a vote619 said:
Trump needs to get the independents back on side. All the pro nazi stuff and transgender stuff just drives them away. He cant win JUST on his base, and he wont have someone lile Clinton against himHYUFD said:
Hickenlooper is too centrist for the Democratic base. Only a populist left liberal like Warren will do. As even you say in your article a Democratic lead of 10% or more as PPP is now showing would see the Democrats take the House (under 10% the current seat structure helps the GOP over 10% it boosts the Democrats).david_herdson said:
It really shouldn't be beyond the wit of the Democrats to find an equivalent of Romney, who was about as close to 'generic Republican' as you could get. Sure, he lost, but (1) to Obama, where special circumstances applied, and (2) by less than 4%: it was hardly the landslide that the left-inclined media in the UK would have you believe. The Democrat in 2020, by contrast, ought (health, impeachments, tantrums and primaries permitting) to be facing the rather less imposing task of taking on Trump.DavidL said:
I definitely think David is setting the bar too high here. We are talking about politicians after all in a system where being grotesque seems a necessary precondition to being noticed.Benpointer said:
Since the GOP managed with a candidate who was neither, maybe just competent or inoffensive would do it?DavidL said:Christ, competent and inoffensive? You don't ask for much do you?
As the Spartans would say, "if".
Someone like John Hickenlooper might be an option, though a younger candidate (Hickenlooper would be 68 in 2020) would be better.
If the Democrats win the House they will take that as a mandate for impeachment and left liberal ideology which plays into Trump's hands for 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_20160 -
It can't, the GOP base is now far more pro Trump than it is pro the GOP establishment so getting rid of Trump risks more problems than it solvesrottenborough said:
“If the goal is to accomplish absolutely nothing and fundamentally destroy the Republican Party from a national perspective, I wouldn’t change a thing,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff and adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.ydoethur said:
Wow. Just - wow.foxinsoxuk said:
The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:619 said:/twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576
https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/25/trump-gop-attacks-fallout-grows-242051
Will the GOP try and save itself at some point?0 -
Europeans have been reading the Remoaner Press:
https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21695581-europeans-have-warped-views-their-neighboursand-themselves-green-eyed-continent?force=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/greeneyedcontinent0 -
Fantastic.CarlottaVance said:It is clearly unacceptable to have statues of slaveholders, especially when they fought a war of independence precisely in order to maintain the bondage of these slaves. It is for this reason that the Aberdeen branch of the Wallace Must Fall Campaign proposes to put a rope around the neck of the statue of William Wallace and pull it down.
http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.id/2017/08/wallace-must-fall.html0 -
Good for them, I hope they win to be honest. The England cricket team seem a bit too smug at times to be likeable, and the Windies could do w some Test cheerydoethur said:You can see West Indies getting 400 here if they keep their heads. But can they then exploit that to put pressure on England?
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Interesting. Everyone else has an idealised view of France and Italy but their residents know better.CarlottaVance said:Europeans have been reading the Remoaner Press:
https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21695581-europeans-have-warped-views-their-neighboursand-themselves-green-eyed-continent?force=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/greeneyedcontinent0 -
New thread.0
