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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: ****ing hell. Raikkonen had a serious vibration through qualifying and didn't do his final lap (due to error) on which everyone else markedly improved. He should've been 2nd (outside shot of pole).


    *sighs*

    Sorry about that, Mr.D. (Though, FWIW, I was backing Hamilton.)

    The conspiratorially minded will note that Raikkonen managed to give Vettel a very helpful tow before pulling out of his final quail attempt...
  • WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    Would that take the wind out of separatism or encourage it further, do we think?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    619 said:
    Much as I agree with his sentiments, I can't help feeling that they might have been more persuasively expressed...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, ha, makes it sound like *you* made the vibration happen.

    I'd be less miffed if it weren't one of several bad pieces of luck to happen recently. Just a bit galling.

    Conspiracy theorists here would be daft. If Raikkonen made a mistake as he said, and no reason to doubt it, why wouldn't he (either on his own or via suggestion) keep on some sort of pace to help Vettel out, when Vettel was notionally 5th at that point? Costs Raikkonen nothing, helps his friend and team mate in the title fight.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,229

    Would that take the wind out of separatism or encourage it further, do we think?
    Mr Glenn is an unswavering Unionist!

    European Unionist that is!
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    isam said:

    619 said:
    We already have EU slave labour, why not join in with the rest of the 3rd world we are becoming part of?
    And goodness knows we don't need children out in the fresh air getting exercise.

    Written as a former "child slave"* from the berry camps of the Vale of Strathmore.

    *unaccountably paid and allowed to return home each evening.
    Goodness knows children wouldn't learn anything from knowing where fresh food comes from too.
    Or that achieving or obtaining good things involves drudgery and delayed gratification**.

    ** not necessarily in the case of berry picking.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    edited August 2017

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: ****ing hell. Raikkonen had a serious vibration through qualifying and didn't do his final lap (due to error) on which everyone else markedly improved. He should've been 2nd (outside shot of pole).

    *sighs*

    Yes that was a little unlucky. The one that got away, a great tip from half a week out though, even though I didn’t follow you in. A great bit of teamwork from the Finn to get Vettel onto the front row as well.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, yeah. Would've been nice. It's galling when sound judgement is thwarted. Happens, though, and sometimes fortune can turn stupid bets into winning tips, but it's harder to bear misfortune when it comes in a legion rather than dribs and drabs, mixed with good luck.

    Got some race ideas, but markets are still sleepy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    edited August 2017

    Mr. B, ha, makes it sound like *you* made the vibration happen.

    I'd be less miffed if it weren't one of several bad pieces of luck to happen recently. Just a bit galling.

    Conspiracy theorists here would be daft. If Raikkonen made a mistake as he said, and no reason to doubt it, why wouldn't he (either on his own or via suggestion) keep on some sort of pace to help Vettel out, when Vettel was notionally 5th at that point? Costs Raikkonen nothing, helps his friend and team mate in the title fight.

    Gets out of the way just a the right moment to give Vettel the tow on the straight, and not take away downforce with his wake turbulence in the following corners ?
    Of course it was utterly fortuitous, but Vettel in his post race interview said that Raikkonen had given him the ideal tow.

    (And I disclaim all responsiblity for sabotage.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited August 2017
    He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).

    I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah. Would've been nice. It's galling when sound judgement is thwarted. Happens, though, and sometimes fortune can turn stupid bets into winning tips, but it's harder to bear misfortune when it comes in a legion rather than dribs and drabs, mixed with good luck.

    Got some race ideas, but markets are still sleepy.

    On the odds offered, the bet against Hamilton was probably value - but when you bet against favourites, you're going to lose every so often.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,240
    ydoethur said:

    He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).

    I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.
    It's also UKIP policy is it not?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    ydoethur said:

    He says all options are on the table, one of which is the federal vision Scottish Labour want and which is not by any means the stupidest idea I've ever heard (which was the current situation).

    I think it's well known I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I think he's only said what's both obvious and sensible here. If a large section of his party want to discuss this, obviously it is an issue he has to look at.
    It's also UKIP policy is it not?
    I have no idea. I think it is obvious to everyone with an IQ of above about 10 that the current situation is daft and unworkable, the only problem is nobody has come up with an alternative that would command widespread support. A Federal Senate above four parliaments would definitely be worth exploring.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, indeed.

    Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.

    Don't forget they are an exceptionally inexperienced side. Might they just be beginning to learn how to play test cricket ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Mr. B, indeed.

    Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.

    It is.
    Just hope that we get a clean start...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited August 2017
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally there's something very strange going on in Leeds. West Indies have found someone who knows which way up to hold the bat. They're actually scoring runs and not losing wickets.

    Don't forget they are an exceptionally inexperienced side. Might they just be beginning to learn how to play test cricket ?
    Fixed it for you :smiley:

    It is really rather sobering to reflect that Anderson, Broad, Cook and Ali have played 30% more matches than he entire WI XI.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    619 said:
    Probably a joke letter, but there is a serious point there.

    Why can't retired brexiteers pick fruit for their pensions?

    Non-medical retirement won't be a thing for the kids generation.
    The joints of OAPs probably aren't up to picking fruits in fields, whether they are Brexiteers or not
    Half of British strawberries are grown at waist height. These would be ideal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    I see they are making a film of Borg vs McEnroe.
    The utterly irritating Shia LaBeouf is perhaps ideal casting as McEnroe - just hope the tennis is convincing.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, I shall reserve my preference on the start's cleanliness until my bets are determined.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    619 said:
    Probably a joke letter, but there is a serious point there.

    Why can't retired brexiteers pick fruit for their pensions?

    Non-medical retirement won't be a thing for the kids generation.
    The joints of OAPs probably aren't up to picking fruits in fields, whether they are Brexiteers or not
    Half of British strawberries are grown at waist height. These would be ideal.
    And the child labour could get the rest...
    It's either that or robots.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Mr. B, I shall reserve my preference on the start's cleanliness until my bets are determined.

    A 'successful' start then, Mr D. ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2017
    619 said:

    ://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576

    The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:

    https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,987
    Nigelb said:

    I see they are making a film of Borg vs McEnroe.
    The utterly irritating Shia LaBeouf is perhaps ideal casting as McEnroe - just hope the tennis is convincing.

    Making convincing sports footage for a film is always difficult, as anyone who's had the misfortune to see the 'rugby' sections of 'Invictus' could tell you.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,520
    Nigelb said:

    619 said:
    Much as I agree with his sentiments, I can't help feeling that they might have been more persuasively expressed...
    Like the sound of his book: "Trump is f* crazy"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, yes indeedington.

    One thing I considered pre-weekend and may check again is Hulkenberg top 6 (was 3.5).

    There's a reasonably chance of a clash into the first corner, I suspect the upper midfield likeliest to suffer, although the tightness of the contest at the sharp end must shorten the odds on a first row fracas.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Nigelb said:

    Mr. B, indeed.

    Grumpiness aside, the front row is rather tasty.

    It is.
    Just hope that we get a clean start...
    A clean start, at Spa..?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=o02s_g5AUUE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    edited August 2017
    Brathwaite a very impressive centurion given the circumstances.

    And with a six before tea, no less.
    :smile:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    619 said:

    ://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576

    The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:

    https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
    Wow. Just - wow.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Nigelb said:

    Brathwaite a very impressive centurion given the circumstances.

    And with a six before tea, no less.
    :smile:

    His sixth Test century with a six - nice symmetry!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    You can see West Indies getting 400 here if they keep their heads. But can they then exploit that to put pressure on England?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, safety car nowadays.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,849
    F1: Susie Wolff dresses like my 80 year old mother.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520

    Mr. Sandpit, safety car nowadays.

    Annoyingly so. But not next year!

    1.4 on the safety car is a good bet for tomorrow. (BF).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,520
    ydoethur said:

    619 said:

    ://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576

    The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:

    https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
    Wow. Just - wow.
    “If the goal is to accomplish absolutely nothing and fundamentally destroy the Republican Party from a national perspective, I wouldn’t change a thing,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff and adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/25/trump-gop-attacks-fallout-grows-242051


    Will the GOP try and save itself at some point?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, odds too short for me. Seen a weather forecast?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    edited August 2017

    Mr. Sandpit, odds too short for me. Seen a weather forecast?

    They’re possibly expecting rain - but it’s Spa, it has its own weather system!

    By the way, a name to watch for the future, Charles Leclerc. He just won the F2 race by 26s in 25 laps. And they all have the same car! He’s a Ferrari young driver, must have a great chance of a seat at Sauber or Haas next year.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Sandpit, Haas, I think, have announced they're keeping their driver lineup for 2018.

    I guessed in my pre-qualifying waffle that Leclerc would go to Sauber.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    F1: I'm going to save tips for when I've got the full markets to peruse, but I'm bamboozled by Hulkenberg's top 6 odds lengthening from 3.5 pre-weekend to 3.75 after he qualified 7th. Does he have a penalty I don't know about? Otherwise, his odds increasing seem bizarre.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,402
    @Scott_P: Endorsements are not retweets.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    619 said:

    daodao said:

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    Roger said:

    619 said:


    Most people thinks he is a hateful prick over the transgender military ban.

    While most people don't support it, most Republicans do:

    http://time.com/4886165/trump-transgender-ban-poll/
    That's splitting hairs to the point of trying to mislead. 68% oppose the ban 27% are in favour. What 619 said was just about spot on.
    Trump was right to ban transgender individuals from the armed forces. The military should also be exempt from laws that prohibit discrimination against pederasts/homosexuals and other sexual deviants. There are probably other professions that should be exempt from such non-discrimination laws as well.
    Other than your own prejudice, why ?
    I was thinking of professions connected with the law or where physical contact (in some cases intimate) is part of the job.
    That doesn't answer the question, which was why, not where.
    Because normal people shouldn't be put in a situation where they fear someone in a position of authority could molest them without effective redress.
    So you think homosexuals and transexuals will always molest people?
    daodao, you are showing the classic signs of someone who has doubts about your own sexuality, just saying.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,229
    It is clearly unacceptable to have statues of slaveholders, especially when they fought a war of independence precisely in order to maintain the bondage of these slaves. It is for this reason that the Aberdeen branch of the Wallace Must Fall Campaign proposes to put a rope around the neck of the statue of William Wallace and pull it down.

    http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.id/2017/08/wallace-must-fall.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited August 2017
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Christ, competent and inoffensive? You don't ask for much do you?

    As the Spartans would say, "if".

    Since the GOP managed with a candidate who was neither, maybe just competent or inoffensive would do it?
    I definitely think David is setting the bar too high here. We are talking about politicians after all in a system where being grotesque seems a necessary precondition to being noticed.
    It really shouldn't be beyond the wit of the Democrats to find an equivalent of Romney, who was about as close to 'generic Republican' as you could get. Sure, he lost, but (1) to Obama, where special circumstances applied, and (2) by less than 4%: it was hardly the landslide that the left-inclined media in the UK would have you believe. The Democrat in 2020, by contrast, ought (health, impeachments, tantrums and primaries permitting) to be facing the rather less imposing task of taking on Trump.

    Someone like John Hickenlooper might be an option, though a younger candidate (Hickenlooper would be 68 in 2020) would be better.
    Hickenlooper is too centrist for the Democratic base. Only a populist left liberal like Warren will do. As even you say in your article a Democratic lead of 10% or more as PPP is now showing would see the Democrats take the House (under 10% the current seat structure helps the GOP over 10% it boosts the Democrats).

    If the Democrats win the House they will take that as a mandate for impeachment and left liberal ideology which plays into Trump's hands for 2020
    Trump needs to get the independents back on side. All the pro nazi stuff and transgender stuff just drives them away. He cant win JUST on his base, and he wont have someone lile Clinton against him
    He will likely have a vote
    When electing a POTUS the popular vote doesn’t count. As we saw last year. The Dem strategy has to be to win at least some of the big states (which they did) and a reasonable number of the small ones, which was where their strategy went awry.
    True but Hillary only lost
    OC won't vote for Trump
    Trump got 42% in OC even in 2016, only 3% less than he got nationally and 11% more than he got across California as a whole. Against a leftist like Warren he could well win OC which is more centrist, libertarian than left liberal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_2016
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited August 2017

    ydoethur said:

    619 said:

    ://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576

    The Phoenix New Times has an interesting twitter string on the Sheriff:

    https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914
    Wow. Just - wow.
    “If the goal is to accomplish absolutely nothing and fundamentally destroy the Republican Party from a national perspective, I wouldn’t change a thing,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff and adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/25/trump-gop-attacks-fallout-grows-242051


    Will the GOP try and save itself at some point?
    It can't, the GOP base is now far more pro Trump than it is pro the GOP establishment so getting rid of Trump risks more problems than it solves
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885

    It is clearly unacceptable to have statues of slaveholders, especially when they fought a war of independence precisely in order to maintain the bondage of these slaves. It is for this reason that the Aberdeen branch of the Wallace Must Fall Campaign proposes to put a rope around the neck of the statue of William Wallace and pull it down.

    http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.id/2017/08/wallace-must-fall.html

    Fantastic.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2017
    ydoethur said:

    You can see West Indies getting 400 here if they keep their heads. But can they then exploit that to put pressure on England?

    Good for them, I hope they win to be honest. The England cricket team seem a bit too smug at times to be likeable, and the Windies could do w some Test cheer
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    Interesting. Everyone else has an idealised view of France and Italy but their residents know better.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    New thread.
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