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Bogus student visa figures "happened on May's watch" https://t.co/jOsaNoVzox
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First, like TransPennine Express.0
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They aren't First anymore.SandyRentool said:First, like TransPennine Express.
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This was Dave's biggest error as PM.0
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But why didn't Sir Vince deploy his nuclear weapon over this?0
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"TransPennine Express is a FirstGroup plc company"TheScreamingEagles said:
They aren't First anymore.SandyRentool said:First, like TransPennine Express.
https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/about-us/about-firstgroup
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But they dropped the First from their operating name they were First TransPennine Express.SandyRentool said:
"TransPennine Express is a FirstGroup plc company"TheScreamingEagles said:
They aren't First anymore.SandyRentool said:First, like TransPennine Express.
https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/about-us/about-firstgroup
I should know, I use their services around 8-10 times a week.0 -
Well done for finding the only known picture of students that doesn't involve blonde teenage girls cheering about their A Level results.0
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From the previous thread Alistair Meeks suggested "I'm expecting CANVAS
`Can't Agree Nothing, Vicissitude Arriving Shortly' "
How about "Can't Add Numbers Vacuous And Silly" ?0 -
But 26% of overseas students are given permission to stay, which still represents a fair chunk of additional bods in the UK. Additional bods with degrees, rather that cabbage-pickers, mind.0
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"Bogus" always conjures up an image of William Hague circa 2000 to me.-1
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NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...0 -
A government limousine is a government limousine.TheScreamingEagles said:But why didn't Sir Vince deploy his nuclear weapon over this?
Sir Vince is very clever, though. Who else has realised that if you legalise "ordinary" cannabis, skunk will automatically disappear from our streets. There just won't be the demand for it; no, sirree.0 -
OK, that's Bill. Who's Ted?Pulpstar said:"Bogus" always conjures up an image of William Hague circa 2000 to me.
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Despite the hype, the NHS reorganisation didn't ultimately help to end Dave's Premiership.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...
This was a narrative changer.0 -
At one of the universities I used to work for a leaflet to encourage applicant to study engineering went out of its way to feature women in just about every pic which given they made up less than 5% of students in the department was distorting. The following year recruitment was down and in an effort to find out way several respondents said "I thought it was for women only"GeoffM said:Well done for finding the only known picture of students that doesn't involve blonde teenage girls cheering about their A Level results.
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That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...0 -
I did a thread on that last year.MikeSmithson said:
That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...
Wiping out the Lib Dems might have been Cameron’s greatest strategic mistake as Prime Minister.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/24/wiping-out-the-lib-dems-might-have-been-camerons-greatest-strategic-mistake-as-pm/0 -
No. I would never join any political party for any reason.Pong said:
Weren't you one of Paul Staines's £3 Corbynites?FrancisUrquhart said:Jezza's mob of fake newers at it again...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate0 -
By a country mile.MikeSmithson said:
That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...
As it is the biggest policy error since at least the First World War, that wouldn't be a surprise.0 -
Nah, appeasement wins that award.rottenborough said:
By a country mile.MikeSmithson said:
That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...
As it is the biggest policy error since at least the First World War, that wouldn't be a surprise.0 -
Is Vince being deliberately dishonest, or does he really think that the ONS was run by Theresa May?0
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FPT
Although I now realise that both Remainers and Leavers don't want change, and in the case of Leavers don't expect it, it doesn't mean there will be none. There will be change but we won't be in control of it. We will not do anything serious to enact it and it will be largely up to other parties, especially the EU, the degree to which it can be mitigated.FF43 said:I had a (20W?) lightbulb moment reading the piece in die Welt below. It's worth persevering with Google Translate.
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/900305130876268545
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@NickPalmer：Yes, that's an interesting article. They say essentially that British policy is oriented to leaving in name only, and that the tabloids and Leave voters haven't yet woken up to it. They conclude that either Britain will remain effectively members, or the government will need to be replaced by one that's serious about leaving. And that isn't really going to happen.
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@rottenborough: LINO - Leaving In Name Only
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Libya is not his greatest achievement .MikeSmithson said:
That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...0 -
Ok fair enough.FrancisUrquhart said:
No. I would never join any political party for any reason.Pong said:
Weren't you one of Paul Staines's £3 Corbynites?FrancisUrquhart said:Jezza's mob of fake newers at it again...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate
Out of interest, why not? Surely there's a theoretical political party that you could support?
Do you not vote, either?0 -
Mr. Smithson, that's an interesting anecdote. I was surprised that psychology was so massively slanted towards women (95% of my course were ladies).
Apparently, women and girls find it much easier to put themselves into male protagonists' shoes than men/boys do for female protagonists, which is one reason male leads are still so common. There are exceptions (I think I read at university that Totally Spies was very popular with boys, and that Top Gear, surely the blokiest of blokey things, had a mostly female audience).0 -
https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/746488316510482433FF43 said:There will be change but we won't be in control of it.
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All this talk of gender imbalances in different subjects...careful you might get blackballed by Google.0
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Off topic, I can't imagine why the USA haa such a large prison population
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I have a healthy distrust of all politicians. I vote with the mindset of choosing the least worst option.Pong said:
Ok fair enough.FrancisUrquhart said:
No. I would never join any political party for any reason.Pong said:
Weren't you one of Paul Staines's £3 Corbynites?FrancisUrquhart said:Jezza's mob of fake newers at it again...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate
Out of interest, why not? Surely there's a theoretical political party that you could support?
Do you not vote, either?0 -
No. Giving the people a say in an issue where they otherwise had no voice was not an error.MikeSmithson said:
That's a good thread idea. What was Dave's biggest error? I'd say holding the referendum.rkrkrk said:
NHS reorganization was his biggest policy error I reckon (and didn't Dave say he agreed?).TheScreamingEagles said:This was Dave's biggest error as PM.
Although the referendum was probably his biggest political error given he wanted us to stay...
Assuming he would win at a canter was.0 -
The Top Gear audience was enforced by the producers. If you applied for tickets you had to have at least a 50/50 gender split in your group or they’d turn you down.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, that's an interesting anecdote. I was surprised that psychology was so massively slanted towards women (95% of my course were ladies).
Apparently, women and girls find it much easier to put themselves into male protagonists' shoes than men/boys do for female protagonists, which is one reason male leads are still so common. There are exceptions (I think I read at university that Totally Spies was very popular with boys, and that Top Gear, surely the blokiest of blokey things, had a mostly female audience).0 -
Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
I fail to see why the highlighted passage matters. Being present or not has never been relevant in conspiracy charges. Charles Manson wasn't present for the Tate murders so should he not have been convicted for those?Alistair said:Off topic, I can't imagine why the USA haa such a large prison population
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Deliberatedly I would say, he is possibly the most dishonest politician out there.Richard_Nabavi said:Is Vince being deliberately dishonest, or does he really think that the ONS was run by Theresa May?
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Mr. Sandpit, audience as in viewing figures, although I suspect you're being silly
Anyway, as I mentioned before but in case anyone interested missed it, just one early tip this time. Raikkonen to 'win' qualifying each way at 17. Should be more like 6.0 -
There was certainly always a very easy on the eye not always fully covered woman standing directly behind the presenters. If that is the BBC's gender equality god help us.Sandpit said:
The Top Gear audience was enforced by the producers. If you applied for tickets you had to have at least a 50/50 gender split in your group or they’d turn you down.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, that's an interesting anecdote. I was surprised that psychology was so massively slanted towards women (95% of my course were ladies).
Apparently, women and girls find it much easier to put themselves into male protagonists' shoes than men/boys do for female protagonists, which is one reason male leads are still so common. There are exceptions (I think I read at university that Totally Spies was very popular with boys, and that Top Gear, surely the blokiest of blokey things, had a mostly female audience).0 -
Thought-experiment: Imagine a hypothetical speech by the Home Secretary in 2015, claiming that she had successfully solved the problem of bogus students overstaying their visas, and that the ONS figures showing otherwise were wrong.0
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This does raise an important point that isn't considered often enough. We often see evidence-based policy-making praised, but what if the evidence is rubbish?
As it happens, on this occasion the wrong inference was drawn from the rubbish evidence anyway (if there's one group of migrants that we should be happy to have staying, it's British degree-educated migrants), but the point still stands.0 -
Just to make sure I understand:
1. There was a problem (this was principally "fake colleges" rather than dodgy students at real universities
2. The Home Office introduced new rules
3. Now that the new rules are operational, very few students overstay their welcome
That doesn't mean there was no problem in the past. It could mean that the rules changes have fixed the problem.0 -
Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.0 -
Who the hell are Qarabag....TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
Ah okay, maybe you were thinking of the TV audience and I was thinking of the studio audience for the programme.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, audience as in viewing figures, although I suspect you're being silly
Anyway, as I mentioned before but in case anyone interested missed it, just one early tip this time. Raikkonen to 'win' qualifying each way at 17. Should be more like 6.0 -
Azerbaijan champions.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who the hell are Qarabag....TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....0 -
Aren't they all too busy at Guardian towers getting worked up about statues to worry about this stuff?Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.0 -
Their wells of indignation are bottomless.FrancisUrquhart said:Aren't they all too busy at Guardian towers getting worked up about statues to worry about this stuff?
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Spurs not as unlucky as Celtic though.TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
So Chelsea fans can mix their nice winter trips to the warmer climes of Madrid and Rome with a trek to freezing cold of Baku...TheScreamingEagles said:
Azerbaijan champions.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who the hell are Qarabag....TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....0 -
Mr. Nabavi, the other day it seems there was a Guardian bout of verbal diarrhoea supporting the notion of censorship on the internet.
Anyway, I must be off. F1 returns tomorrow. Huzzah!0 -
But Celtic weren't expected to go far. Spurs might well have if they had a decent draw.Sandpit said:
Spurs not as unlucky as Celtic though.TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
Hooray for Liverpool0 -
Liverpool are lucky!
Spartak Moscow, Sevilla and Maribor. No reason the Reds can't qualify from that group.0 -
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....0 -
Mr Harker has never topped this early effort:Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/04/osborne-child-benfit-war-families0 -
http://voxeu.org/article/eurozone-economic-recovery-humming-along-just-fine
The divergence between Spain and Italy is stunning and shows what you can achieve with the right policies.
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At least Spurs have a got a banker against the mighty Apoel Nicosia.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Celtic weren't expected to go far. Spurs might well have if they had a decent draw.Sandpit said:
Spurs not as unlucky as Celtic though.TheScreamingEagles said:Unlucky Spurs.
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Bravo! I'd forgotten that - I thought at the time it must be a spoof!AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Harker has never topped this early effort:Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/oct/04/osborne-child-benfit-war-families
"not since China's one-child rule has there been such a penalty for having kids."0 -
Surely entrapment though?Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see why the highlighted passage matters. Being present or not has never been relevant in conspiracy charges. Charles Manson wasn't present for the Tate murders so should he not have been convicted for those?Alistair said:Off topic, I can't imagine why the USA haa such a large prison population
https://twitter.com/onekade/status/900707938032992257
Quite similar to Sorrells vs United States and Sherman vs United States.0 -
My favourite Guardian rant....the Thomas the Tank Engine is responsible for all sorts of un-pc evils.0
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Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL0 -
Yes entrapment was the relevant part of the story. Not the highlighted passage of the fact she wasn't present.Charles said:
Surely entrapment though?Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see why the highlighted passage matters. Being present or not has never been relevant in conspiracy charges. Charles Manson wasn't present for the Tate murders so should he not have been convicted for those?Alistair said:Off topic, I can't imagine why the USA haa such a large prison population
https://twitter.com/onekade/status/900707938032992257
Quite similar to Sorrells vs United States and Sherman vs United States.0 -
I feel we are going to see a load of dead rubbers in the last couple of match weeks.Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL0 -
Interesting thoughts, but I don't think that the Leavers anticipate no change, but that they expect to keep the benefits of EU membership without costs. The leading Leaver politicians don't want much change, but the man in the Hartlepool Wetherspoons does. I can see problems ahead due to that.FF43 said:FPT
Although I now realise that both Remainers and Leavers don't want change, and in the case of Leavers don't expect it, it doesn't mean there will be none. There will be change but we won't be in control of it. We will not do anything serious to enact it and it will be largely up to other parties, especially the EU, the degree to which it can be mitigated.FF43 said:I had a (20W?) lightbulb moment reading the piece in die Welt below. It's worth persevering with Google Translate.
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/900305130876268545
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@NickPalmer：Yes, that's an interesting article. They say essentially that British policy is oriented to leaving in name only, and that the tabloids and Leave voters haven't yet woken up to it. They conclude that either Britain will remain effectively members, or the government will need to be replaced by one that's serious about leaving. And that isn't really going to happen.
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@rottenborough: LINO - Leaving In Name Only
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From the Guardian
The fruits of my mathematical labour – all Champions League groups ranked by the combined Uefa coefficient of the teams involved to produce your handy cut-out-and-keep groupofdeathometer:
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D : Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.9220 -
Look on the bright side Spurs fans, you've got further in this season's champions league than Arsenal.0
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And as a bonus they stand a decent chance of meeting in the Europa League.TheScreamingEagles said:Look on the bright side Spurs fans, you've got further in this season's champions league than Arsenal.
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Poor Spurs. With the Wembley factor very hard to see them making it into the knockout.TheScreamingEagles said:From the Guardian
The fruits of my mathematical labour – all Champions League groups ranked by the combined Uefa coefficient of the teams involved to produce your handy cut-out-and-keep groupofdeathometer:
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D : Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.922
For United it's just that trip to Moscow. May cost PL points.0 -
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.0 -
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.0 -
https://twitter.com/LeaveHQ/status/900700786723827712Casino_Royale said:Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..
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This was most Liverpool fans during the draw, but I was keen on facing Real Madrid and Dortmund, (I really wanted Barca)DavidL said:
Poor Spurs. With the Wembley factor very hard to see them making it into the knockout.TheScreamingEagles said:From the Guardian
The fruits of my mathematical labour – all Champions League groups ranked by the combined Uefa coefficient of the teams involved to produce your handy cut-out-and-keep groupofdeathometer:
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D : Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.922
For United it's just that trip to Moscow. May cost PL points.
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So why did Cable say nothing about it both before and after the Eection 2015 and wait until now.... and get all huffy puffy about it ? I think we know the answer......
Silly season story to give Vince some prominence.
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We're the right sort of zealots.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
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One of the most useless ministers in the Coalition.SquareRoot said:So why did Cable say nothing out it both before and after the election , and why is he suddenly getting all huffy puffy about it now. I think we know the answer......
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I really enjoyed the Liverpool v Manchester United Europa League tie last year, when Philippe Coutinho wasn't breaking my heart.AlastairMeeks said:
And as a bonus they stand a decent chance of meeting in the Europa League.TheScreamingEagles said:Look on the bright side Spurs fans, you've got further in this season's champions league than Arsenal.
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In my bleak moments I imagine taking all the Brexit loonies and the Corbynites, and sticking them all on an island, letting them rot together in mutual loathing.Sean_F said:
We're the right sort of zealots.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
And then in my bleakest moments I realise that I'm already on it.0 -
That's unfair. He had some notable successes, such as introducing increased tuition fees and privatising Royal Mail.FrancisUrquhart said:
One of the most useless ministers in the Coalition.SquareRoot said:So why did Cable say nothing out it both before and after the election , and why is he suddenly getting all huffy puffy about it now. I think we know the answer......
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He also includes Blairites as Tories. I'm guessing that his circle of friends is limited.Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
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Presumably, then, those now attacking Theresa May for insisting on keeping student numbers in the net migration target all along, and arguing for them to be taken out, will now be happy for them to stay in for good given that officially it makes very little difference either way?0
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These poor kids or is this really poor grammar and punctuation from The Telegraph?
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/9006098721478819840 -
It would certainly be a novel way of dealing with the problem of educational inequality.TheScreamingEagles said:These poor kids or is this really poor grammar and punctuation from The Telegraph?
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That’s what happens when all the sub-editors get fired!*TheScreamingEagles said:These poor kids or is this really poor grammar and punctuation from The Telegraph?
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/900609872147881984
*lose their jobs, rather than shot from a cannon or put in a clay oven.0 -
What a shit show the Telegraph is these days.0
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Easy easy for Liverpool. But not a lot of glamour.TheScreamingEagles said:
This was most Liverpool fans during the draw, but I was keen on facing Real Madrid and Dortmund, (I really wanted Barca)DavidL said:
Poor Spurs. With the Wembley factor very hard to see them making it into the knockout.TheScreamingEagles said:From the Guardian
The fruits of my mathematical labour – all Champions League groups ranked by the combined Uefa coefficient of the teams involved to produce your handy cut-out-and-keep groupofdeathometer:
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D : Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.922
For United it's just that trip to Moscow. May cost PL points.
https://twitter.com/LFCFansCorner/status/900760275544141824
I think Barca will be well short of the mark this year. They need a couple of decent buys and I don't mean Coutinho.0 -
Always look on the bright side of life Alastair.AlastairMeeks said:
In my bleak moments I imagine taking all the Brexit loonies and the Corbynites, and sticking them all on an island, letting them rot together in mutual loathing.Sean_F said:
We're the right sort of zealots.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
And then in my bleakest moments I realise that I'm already on it.0 -
BREAKING: #Charleston police confirm ‘active shooter’ situation0
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FFS...if that was the Telegraph reporting this it could easily be a "active hooters" situation.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: #Charleston police confirm ‘active shooter’ situation
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We're very far from the equivalence you think there is.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
But I'm happy to talk to you and have a drink with you for a start.0 -
Ignoring the highlighted bit the story is jaw dropping. The government paid a man to become her boyfriend and then encourage her to break the law.Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see why the highlighted passage matters. Being present or not has never been relevant in conspiracy charges. Charles Manson wasn't present for the Tate murders so should he not have been convicted for those?Alistair said:Off topic, I can't imagine why the USA haa such a large prison population
https://twitter.com/onekade/status/900707938032992257
Less than unacceptable.0 -
FWIW, I had a very pleasant dinner with a Hungarian friend of mine last night. He's moving to London to get away from the racists, loonies and fruitcakes back in Budapest.AlastairMeeks said:
In my bleak moments I imagine taking all the Brexit loonies and the Corbynites, and sticking them all on an island, letting them rot together in mutual loathing.Sean_F said:
We're the right sort of zealots.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
And then in my bleakest moments I realise that I'm already on it.0 -
BBC reporting fake news about traingate...which even the New Statesman says is horseshit.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41036937
Can I report the BBC to facebook or something for spreading Fake News?0 -
I don't think the average Leave voter was bothered by foreign students (unless they turned to Islamic extremism) it was low skilled immigration, especially from Eastern Europe they wanted reduced0
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They've done a deal with Dortmund for Dembele for £154 million.DavidL said:
Easy easy for Liverpool. But not a lot of glamour.TheScreamingEagles said:
This was most Liverpool fans during the draw, but I was keen on facing Real Madrid and Dortmund, (I really wanted Barca)DavidL said:
Poor Spurs. With the Wembley factor very hard to see them making it into the knockout.TheScreamingEagles said:From the Guardian
The fruits of my mathematical labour – all Champions League groups ranked by the combined Uefa coefficient of the teams involved to produce your handy cut-out-and-keep groupofdeathometer:
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia 405.3
Group D : Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal 394.111
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic 382.857
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow 321.069
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag 320.907
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord 299.596
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig 222.938
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor 208.922
For United it's just that trip to Moscow. May cost PL points.
https://twitter.com/LFCFansCorner/status/900760275544141824
I think Barca will be well short of the mark this year. They need a couple of decent buys and I don't mean Coutinho.0 -
I suspect he's all fart and follow through.Sean_F said:
He also includes Blairites as Tories. I'm guessing that his circle of friends is limited.Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
In person he wouldn't have the bollocks to be that rude, and would be as friendly to you as to anyone else, possibly muttering something about you being 'a reasonable sensible Tory', and just continue his prejudices unchallenged to those he thinks have sympathetic ears once you're out of earshot.
Meanwhile you might say to that same person later, with them nodding along, that he was a bit of a pompous wanker.0 -
I presume he means the local Hungarian's, rather than rich English lawyer types who have second home there.Charles said:
FWIW, I had a very pleasant dinner with a Hungarian friend of mine last night. He's moving to London to get away from the racists, loonies and fruitcakes back in Budapest.AlastairMeeks said:
In my bleak moments I imagine taking all the Brexit loonies and the Corbynites, and sticking them all on an island, letting them rot together in mutual loathing.Sean_F said:
We're the right sort of zealots.AlastairMeeks said:
We already have crazed zealots in charge who are constantly accusing anyone that they see as ideologically suspect of being saboteurs, quislings or enemies of the people.Casino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.
Do explain the difference.
And then in my bleakest moments I realise that I'm already on it.0 -
Of course Germany does well out of the Eurozone because it is set up to benefit the German economy above all, hence Berlusconi's coalition leads polls for the Italian general election next year on a platform of a dual currencywilliamglenn said:http://voxeu.org/article/eurozone-economic-recovery-humming-along-just-fine
The divergence between Spain and Italy is stunning and shows what you can achieve with the right policies.0 -
Tell me, how does your mind work?williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LeaveHQ/status/900700786723827712Casino_Royale said:Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..
I find the psychology fascinating.
Your answer to an argument with my wife, my car breaking down or a bad day at work would be "more Europe".
Are you actually that fanatical, or do you think that if you simply repeat "more Europe" often enough to me that it'll somehow seep into my subconscious and I'll somehow subliminally become a europhile before I even realise it's happened?0 -
They have to get a few more Tories to vote for them before they can do thatCasino_Royale said:
Think what it'll be like when the Corbynites actually take power..Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, if you want to see naked prejudice at its most shameless, this is a good place to start your research:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/is-it-ok-to-be-friends-with-a-tory
Astonishingly (or perhaps not), Joseph Harker, who seems to think prejudice and stirring up hatred are virtues, is the Guardian’s deputy opinion editor.0
