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NHS remains top issue facing country according to Aug @IpsosMORI Issues Index which uniquely does not prompt responses pic.twitter.com/a4uWqWYFWh
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It would be nice to know whether concern over NHS varies with any objective data about the NHS. I am surprised at it scoring so high in high summer, NHS crises being a winter thing.0
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Doesn't this show that Brexit is actually *the* top issue and the NHS is the top *other* issue.0
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Brexit + immigration are interlinked and combined are the most important issues ahead of the NHS. Brexit is the most important single issue followed by the NHS then immigration0
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Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.0
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I don't understand why on earth a naval ship would lack something as basic as a radar to detect other ships.Nigelb said:
That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot.JosiasJessop said:
They may not navigate just with GPS, but people (on both ships) get lazy...Dura_Ace said:
Highly doubtful. A DDG like an Arleigh Burke doesn't navigate with just GPS.Dura_Ace said:Might this have something to do with the recent US Navy accidents ?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/
One thing I learned on my US Navy exchange is that they have a ruthless, transparent and highly effective blame culture. The career of the captain of the USS McCain is now over. In the RN he would get an MoD posting in London until "the stink" died down...
As far as the blame culture is concerned, earlier centuries might have seen the odd exemplary hanging from the yardarm...
If a commercial ship can crash into a naval ship undetected then how could the naval ship cope against rival naval ships in a war footing?0 -
It will have had radar, and ARPA (automatic plotting aid) to predict collisions. No use if no one looks at it.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't understand why on earth a naval ship would lack something as basic as a radar to detect other ships.Nigelb said:
That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot.JosiasJessop said:
They may not navigate just with GPS, but people (on both ships) get lazy...Dura_Ace said:
Highly doubtful. A DDG like an Arleigh Burke doesn't navigate with just GPS.Dura_Ace said:Might this have something to do with the recent US Navy accidents ?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/
One thing I learned on my US Navy exchange is that they have a ruthless, transparent and highly effective blame culture. The career of the captain of the USS McCain is now over. In the RN he would get an MoD posting in London until "the stink" died down...
As far as the blame culture is concerned, earlier centuries might have seen the odd exemplary hanging from the yardarm...
If a commercial ship can crash into a naval ship undetected then how could the naval ship cope against rival naval ships in a war footing?
Edit: VI and I like King James!0 -
I know someone who went to sleep on a yacht, and woke up underwater. By a miracle, he survived. His rescuers reckoned that a large ship must have ploughed through the yacht without anyone noticing.Ishmael_Z said:
It will have had radar, and ARPA (automatic plotting aid) to predict collisions. No use if no one looks at it.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't understand why on earth a naval ship would lack something as basic as a radar to detect other ships.Nigelb said:
That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot.JosiasJessop said:
They may not navigate just with GPS, but people (on both ships) get lazy...Dura_Ace said:
Highly doubtful. A DDG like an Arleigh Burke doesn't navigate with just GPS.Dura_Ace said:Might this have something to do with the recent US Navy accidents ?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/
One thing I learned on my US Navy exchange is that they have a ruthless, transparent and highly effective blame culture. The career of the captain of the USS McCain is now over. In the RN he would get an MoD posting in London until "the stink" died down...
As far as the blame culture is concerned, earlier centuries might have seen the odd exemplary hanging from the yardarm...
If a commercial ship can crash into a naval ship undetected then how could the naval ship cope against rival naval ships in a war footing?
Edit: VI and I like King James!0 -
This survey normally correlates pretty well with "what is in the news". Maybe the £350m bus did penetrate after all.Ishmael_Z said:It would be nice to know whether concern over NHS varies with any objective data about the NHS. I am surprised at it scoring so high in high summer, NHS crises being a winter thing.
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This is soooo much cooler than robots picking strawberries!
The Hadrian X is a bricklaying robot courtesy Australia's Fastbrick Robotics, which uses its 30-metre metal arm to lay bricks at a rate of 1,000 bricks per hour, compared to a human worker's average of 1,000 a day. Due for release in late 2017, Hadrian X can read a 3D CAD model of the house and then it follows those instructions precisely, working day and night.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a33kxg/bricklaying-robots-and-exoskeletons-are-the-future-of-the-construction-industry0 -
Enormous courage shown by the sailors on the Fitzgerald after that collision. Looking at the report of the loss of the Irish search and rescue helicopter at Black Rock, interpreting radar responses and tuning out clutter isn't so easy... I think the RN has standardised on Kelvin Hughes' SharpEye used by many commercial vessels, I wonder how that compares with the Raytheon on the American destroyers.0
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Damned new thread. Ahem.
FPT:Betting Post
F1: Backed Raikkonen each way at 17 with Ladbrokes to get pole (that's 1/3 the odds for top 2). It's likely to be a four horse race (with Mercedes and his team mate). Last year he beat Vettel in Belgian qualifying and has had some good qualifying so far this year. He's also got a great record at Spa and, unlike the race, the team can't possibly want him to do other than his best.0 -
Off topic observation.
Watching Trump's speech about Afghanistan just now I was reminded of nobody more than Springfield's Mayor Quimby.0 -
Mayor Quimby was modeled on Ted Kennedy!Monksfield said:Off topic observation.
Watching Trump's speech about Afghanistan just now I was reminded of nobody more than Springfield's Mayor Quimby.0 -
FTPT
It was launched with fully functional Earth observation instruments which are currently used - here are images from it https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth. It was launched with the enhanced solar storm observational equipment but also it's suite of looking at the earth equipment.GeoffM said:
No, its crystal clear. The Obama admin proposed the re-purposing and NASA under Trump are implementing it.JosiasJessop said:
I think you've misunderstood what that article's saying, and what Trump's proposing.ThreeQuidder said:
I don't have a linky, but I have a link: https://web.archive.org/web/20110226184401/http://www.spaceflightnow.com:80/news/n1102/21dscovr/JosiasJessop said:
Do you have linkys for those claims?GeoffM said:
Eh? It was the Obama administration who first tried to turn it in to a solar observatory.JosiasJessop said:Way off-topic:
Here's the eclipse taken from deep space.
https://media.giphy.com/media/2nGmyPAvrTmJG/giphy.gif
Taken by DSCVR at the Sun-Earth L1 point. I *think* that's the satellite that Trump's turning off the Earth-observation functions. You know, because observing the Earth is a bad thing, obviously....
To give you an idea of how far away this probe is, here's an animation of the Moon crossing he Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth
The Trump administration is implementing Obama's plan for the satellite. But that doesn't fir the narrative so it gets lost in pure anti-Trump propaganda,
A satellite can perform more than one task at once, using multiple instruments.
If you weren't so blinded by your anti-Trump views and if the names of the Presidents were reversed you'd see this as simple scientific reallocation of resources to replace ACE.
For reasons unstated Trump is ordering that the Earth observation equipment be turned off.0 -
Trump seems an equally good fit. Life imitating art perhaps.GeoffM said:
Mayor Quimby was modeled on Ted Kennedy!Monksfield said:Off topic observation.
Watching Trump's speech about Afghanistan just now I was reminded of nobody more than Springfield's Mayor Quimby.0 -
Notable how low Poverty / Inequality is - despite it appearing to be the issue Corbyn is most concerned about.
Though that certainly didn't stop Corbyn gaining so many votes at the GE.0 -
This story gets weirder and weirder.....
A headless and limbless corpse found in waters off Denmark was deliberately mutilated, say Copenhagen police.
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Mr. Urquhart, headline sounds similar to that black magic case in London a few years ago.
Anyway, must be off.0 -
Or the limbs in the loch murder.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, headline sounds similar to that black magic case in London a few years ago.
Anyway, must be off.0 -
Is there any other country in Europe where the health service is such a political issue?0
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I like it!GeoffM said:This is soooo much cooler than robots picking strawberries!
The Hadrian X is a bricklaying robot courtesy Australia's Fastbrick Robotics, which uses its 30-metre metal arm to lay bricks at a rate of 1,000 bricks per hour, compared to a human worker's average of 1,000 a day. Due for release in late 2017, Hadrian X can read a 3D CAD model of the house and then it follows those instructions precisely, working day and night.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a33kxg/bricklaying-robots-and-exoskeletons-are-the-future-of-the-construction-industry
The specification will need to be very precise and accurate. Remember all those Satnav early adopters who ended up in impassible 'roads'?
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Surely a better productiviy improvement over bricks and bricklaying would be prefabricated walls.GeoffM said:This is soooo much cooler than robots picking strawberries!
The Hadrian X is a bricklaying robot courtesy Australia's Fastbrick Robotics, which uses its 30-metre metal arm to lay bricks at a rate of 1,000 bricks per hour, compared to a human worker's average of 1,000 a day. Due for release in late 2017, Hadrian X can read a 3D CAD model of the house and then it follows those instructions precisely, working day and night.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a33kxg/bricklaying-robots-and-exoskeletons-are-the-future-of-the-construction-industry0 -
No. But then again, nobody has been daft enough to copy our system so its a dataset of one.Richard_Nabavi said:Is there any other country in Europe where the health service is such a political issue?
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Sleeping in his cubicle? Dedication....AlastairMeeks said:Imagine being this desperate for a date:
https://www.wired.com/2014/01/how-to-hack-okcupid/0 -
Maybe the ship was practicing hidding from enemy radar behind the oil tanker - then got too close to the bow.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't understand why on earth a naval ship would lack something as basic as a radar to detect other ships.Nigelb said:
That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot.JosiasJessop said:
They may not navigate just with GPS, but people (on both ships) get lazy...Dura_Ace said:
Highly doubtful. A DDG like an Arleigh Burke doesn't navigate with just GPS.Dura_Ace said:Might this have something to do with the recent US Navy accidents ?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/
One thing I learned on my US Navy exchange is that they have a ruthless, transparent and highly effective blame culture. The career of the captain of the USS McCain is now over. In the RN he would get an MoD posting in London until "the stink" died down...
As far as the blame culture is concerned, earlier centuries might have seen the odd exemplary hanging from the yardarm...
If a commercial ship can crash into a naval ship undetected then how could the naval ship cope against rival naval ships in a war footing?
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A Guardian columnist has written that Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square should be toppled - but Maajid Nawaz has perfectly summed up why that suggestion is “puerile”.
Discussing the article on his show, Maajid denounced the idea, describing it as an attempt to try and censor history just because it offends some people.
“Where do you draw the line,” the LBC presenter said as he embarked on his passionate rant.
“Let’s start tearing down Richard the Lion Heart because he participated in the crusade and that offends me too.
“Why stop there? Queen Victoria, she reigned over the British Empire and colonised large parts of the world including South Asia.
“Let’s stop calling it Victoria Station, Victoria Hall, let’s remove everything with Queen Victoria’s name on it - including all the Navy ships we named after her.”
He continued: “What about Queen Elizabeth? Queen Elizabeth reigned over for a brief time when we still had some remanence of the Empire left.
“Let’s remove everything with Queen Elizabeth’s name on it, including any monuments and statues put up to her name.”
Maajid finished: “Hold on, she’s still our Queen isn’t she - that means we’ve got to remove the monarchy.”
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/maajid-destroys-guardian-columnists-suggestion-to/0 -
Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.0
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Threat of, rather than actual? What was project fear predicting again?AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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Well the BBC keep telling us it is all fake news that unemployment is right down....AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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It's impressive that Theresa May managed to torpedo a 'Brexit' election campaign with a flagship policy to deal with an issue that only 1% of people think is most important.0
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There are still substantial numbers of unemployment, but I expect people also mean underemployment and lack of job security.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
Leicester line up of the reserves looks very vulnerable for an away cup tie in Sheffield. 4/1 on Sheffield looks value to me.0 -
May's mistake was to turn the election into one about personalities - hers versus Corbyns.williamglenn said:It's impressive that Theresa May managed to torpedo a 'Brexit' election campaign with a flagship policy to deal with an issue that only 1% of people think is most important.
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@ NigelB "That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot."
I was musing with the wife about this. I wonder whether there is a technology overload issue here. Something along the lines of too many different gadgets to manage that the pilot forgets to fly the plane, [or, in this case, the captain fails to steer the ship].
There is history in this regard - the US plane where pilot and co-pilot were so intent on fixing a problem with the landing gear that they forgot about flying the plane and it crashed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_4010 -
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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That depends. Those on the Left see flooding a country with a swarm of client voters as an important route to power.dixiedean said:
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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I support unhindered movement of people including anyone who wishes to go out of the UK.GeoffM said:
That depends. Those on the Left see flooding a country with a swarm of client voters as an important route to power.dixiedean said:
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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While it sounds likely, it would be interesting to see some polling on this.dixiedean said:
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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Small problem - she does not have a personality.David_Evershed said:
May's mistake was to turn the election into one about personalities - hers versus Corbyns.williamglenn said:It's impressive that Theresa May managed to torpedo a 'Brexit' election campaign with a flagship policy to deal with an issue that only 1% of people think is most important.
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Totally unhindered?surbiton said:
I support unhindered movement of people including anyone who wishes to go out of the UK.GeoffM said:
That depends. Those on the Left see flooding a country with a swarm of client voters as an important route to power.dixiedean said:
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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Flooding with a swarm. I think we have a winner in the PB Mixed Metaphor of the Month competition.GeoffM said:
That depends. Those on the Left see flooding a country with a swarm of client voters as an important route to power.dixiedean said:
Seeing immigration as an important issue tends to put you on the Right, yes.SandyRentool said:
So not liking foreigners is a Tory issue. Glad we've cleared that up.dixiedean said:Labour supporters name Labour issues, Tory supporters, Tory issues. Why a Brexit election was always a daft idea.
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Ipswhich are 14-1 to do over Palace with both teams to score. Considering Ipswichs form at the mo, that seems good to mefoxinsoxuk said:
There are still substantial numbers of unemployment, but I expect people also mean underemployment and lack of job security.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
Leicester line up of the reserves looks very vulnerable for an away cup tie in Sheffield. 4/1 on Sheffield looks value to me.0 -
Or this one, where four pilots (three of whom were Captains) failed to notice they were far too slow on approach and they crashed.MTimT said:@ NigelB "That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot."
I was musing with the wife about this. I wonder whether there is a technology overload issue here. Something along the lines of too many different gadgets to manage that the pilot forgets to fly the plane, [or, in this case, the captain fails to steer the ship].
There is history in this regard - the US plane where pilot and co-pilot were so intent on fixing a problem with the landing gear that they forgot about flying the plane and it crashed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_401
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
Or this one, again too slow on approach after a minor systems failure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_1951
Or this one, where a couple of muppets completely forgot the basics of how to fly a plane
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
As planes become more mechanically reliable, autopilot systems better and airlines more cost conscious, more accidents are being caused by pilots being out of practice at the point their skills are most needed.
I don’t know much about boats, but I’d suspect the same is possible with over-reliance on GPS and auto manoeuvring systems.0 -
The EU/Brexit could be either a Remain issue, or a Leave issue, but the demographic breakdown suggests it's a Leave issue.0
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Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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I think the Stockholm/Andrea Doria collision had some elements of that. Certainly skills atrophy is a common side effect of technology.Sandpit said:
Or this one, where four pilots (three of whom were Captains) failed to notice they were far too slow on approach and they crashed.MTimT said:@ NigelB "That was my initial thought. In any event, the sudden rash of collisions lacks an obvious explanation, and the USN interruption of naval operations suggests something fairly serious afoot."
I was musing with the wife about this. I wonder whether there is a technology overload issue here. Something along the lines of too many different gadgets to manage that the pilot forgets to fly the plane, [or, in this case, the captain fails to steer the ship].
There is history in this regard - the US plane where pilot and co-pilot were so intent on fixing a problem with the landing gear that they forgot about flying the plane and it crashed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_401
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
Or this one, again too slow on approach after a minor systems failure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_1951
Or this one, where a couple of muppets completely forgot the basics of how to fly a plane
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
As planes become more mechanically reliable, autopilot systems better and airlines more cost conscious, more accidents are being caused by pilots being out of practice at the point their skills are most needed.
I don’t know much about boats, but I’d suspect the same is possible with over-reliance on GPS and auto manoeuvring systems.0 -
Strange that he refers to himself as an immigrant. Imagine the outrageux if a politician referred to him as suchwilliamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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Sounds good*, Both teams to score / Sheffield win probably value too at 15/2.619 said:
Ipswhich are 14-1 to do over Palace with both teams to score. Considering Ipswichs form at the mo, that seems good to mefoxinsoxuk said:
There are still substantial numbers of unemployment, but I expect people also mean underemployment and lack of job security.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
Leicester line up of the reserves looks very vulnerable for an away cup tie in Sheffield. 4/1 on Sheffield looks value to me.
It is our defence that is makeshift. Away to Man U this weekend also.
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He did not do it in a positive sense. The headline of the article is 'Brexit made me an immigrant in the country I was born in—I can’t just “let it go”'.isam said:
Strange that he refers to himself as an immigrant. Imagine the outrageux if a politician refereed to him as suchwilliamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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That's conjured up an image of Dan floating about Nijinsky-like in a leotard to something by Elgar.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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"It’s time for to fold away my beloved red-white-and-blue and pack it away somewhere safe.But I will always call on that one, precious commodity we immigrants have in abundance: hope."williamglenn said:
He did not do it in a positive sense. The headline of the article is 'Brexit made me an immigrant in the country I was born in—I can’t just “let it go”'.isam said:
Strange that he refers to himself as an immigrant. Imagine the outrageux if a politician refereed to him as suchwilliamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/900059068680810499
He is a melodramatic prat by the sound of it.0 -
Great line:AlastairMeeks said:Imagine being this desperate for a date:
https://www.wired.com/2014/01/how-to-hack-okcupid/
Even for a mathematician, McKinlay is unusual.0 -
Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
There wasn't a dry eye in the house.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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There was no control over it, people thought there should beand now the govt have the opportunity to do something... That's all people wanted. Cameron won power on a false prospectus of cutting immigration, so drastic measures were requiredNickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
Which is why so many people say the NHS.Sean_F said:
Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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I think, for once, that might be with absolute accuracy be labelled denialism...Alistair said:FTPT
It was launched with fully functional Earth observation instruments which are currently used - here are images from it https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth. It was launched with the enhanced solar storm observational equipment but also it's suite of looking at the earth equipment.GeoffM said:
No, its crystal clear. The Obama admin proposed the re-purposing and NASA under Trump are implementing it.JosiasJessop said:
I think you've misunderstood what that article's saying, and what Trump's proposing.ThreeQuidder said:
I don't have a linky, but I have a link: https://web.archive.org/web/20110226184401/http://www.spaceflightnow.com:80/news/n1102/21dscovr/JosiasJessop said:
Do you have linkys for those claims?GeoffM said:
Eh? It was the Obama administration who first tried to turn it in to a solar observatory.JosiasJessop said:Way off-topic:
Here's the eclipse taken from deep space.
https://media.giphy.com/media/2nGmyPAvrTmJG/giphy.gif
Taken by DSCVR at the Sun-Earth L1 point. I *think* that's the satellite that Trump's turning off the Earth-observation functions. You know, because observing the Earth is a bad thing, obviously....
To give you an idea of how far away this probe is, here's an animation of the Moon crossing he Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth
The Trump administration is implementing Obama's plan for the satellite. But that doesn't fir the narrative so it gets lost in pure anti-Trump propaganda,
A satellite can perform more than one task at once, using multiple instruments.
If you weren't so blinded by your anti-Trump views and if the names of the Presidents were reversed you'd see this as simple scientific reallocation of resources to replace ACE.
For reasons unstated Trump is ordering that the Earth observation equipment be turned off.
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"Most unsuccessful daters confront self-esteem issues. For McKinlay it was worse. He had to question his calculations."Charles said:
Great line:AlastairMeeks said:Imagine being this desperate for a date:
https://www.wired.com/2014/01/how-to-hack-okcupid/
Even for a mathematician, McKinlay is unusual.0 -
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
I see Barnet have a young player starting this evening called Fonguck....I am sure the supporters hope that he doesn't make a right Fonguck of the opportunity.0
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"The NHS" is the cop-out easy virtue signalling option.another_richard said:
Which is why so many people say the NHS.Sean_F said:
Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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Yeah, that thought had occurred to me too.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
Another post by Nick that in my opinion identifies a majority view, mine includedNickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
If you're old and vote Tory, you're going to be quite interested in it. Very few of those with money bother paying for private healthcare at that age.GeoffM said:
"The NHS" is the cop-out easy virtue signalling option.another_richard said:
Which is why so many people say the NHS.Sean_F said:
Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
If you're younger, and vote Labour, you're going to be interested in it if you work in it, have friends that work in it, or if you want to signal what you're about over it.
Ergo, the NHS scores highly. It is both important to many, and a national religion at the same time.0 -
Got to be stronger than that I feel. I want it under the total control of a govt I can elect and fire. I feel people would be more comfortable about numbers, even not inconsiderable ones (and yes of course we will need immigrants), if they feel they are getting a say. At present we have signed away all control on 440m. If you don't control your borders, you are not a proper country, nor can your realistically plan for the future as a state for the benefit of your citizens if you only have a pretty inaccurate idea of how many will be here and where in five and ten years time.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
Wasn't limiting early access to benefits part of Cameron's grand *ahem* renegotiation?NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
This is cool!
STEVE BANNON FIDGET SPINNER
Leftists need comfort at times like these. Gift them this pacifying item that will give them something to do in between pulling down monuments. Or keep one for yourself!0 -
I don't know what some people expect to achieve by resorting to such hyperbole.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
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They could mean underemployment.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
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You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
That's a very misleading way to present it.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/900059068680810499
Hannan's response to a Prospect article about Brexit was "those who were dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music"
i.e. those who don't understand why Leavers voted for Brexit tend to believe that Leavers are mad or stupid or both.0 -
If you are younger and your parents or grandparents are in and out of hospital, or you are having a baby, or have a disabled child, you will take an interest, too.Casino_Royale said:
If you're old and vote Tory, you're going to be quite interested in it. Very few of those with money bother paying for private healthcare at that age.GeoffM said:
"The NHS" is the cop-out easy virtue signalling option.another_richard said:
Which is why so many people say the NHS.Sean_F said:
Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
If you're younger, and vote Labour, you're going to be interested in it if you work in it, have friends that work in it, or if you want to signal what you're about over it.
Ergo, the NHS scores highly. It is both important to many, and a national religion at the same time.0 -
https://twitter.com/matchico/status/900061084878614529Theuniondivvie said:
That's conjured up an image of Dan floating about Nijinsky-like in a leotard to something by Elgar.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/9000590686808104990 -
Wired is a bit hit and miss, but sometimes they really nail itPong said:
"Most unsuccessful daters confront self-esteem issues. For McKinlay it was worse. He had to question his calculations."Charles said:
Great line:AlastairMeeks said:Imagine being this desperate for a date:
https://www.wired.com/2014/01/how-to-hack-okcupid/
Even for a mathematician, McKinlay is unusual.0 -
It certainly gives us things to be passionate about.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
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Not necessarily in a positive way.dixiedean said:
If you are younger and your parents or grandparents are in and out of hospital, or you are having a baby, or have a disabled child, you will take an interest, too.Casino_Royale said:
If you're old and vote Tory, you're going to be quite interested in it. Very few of those with money bother paying for private healthcare at that age.GeoffM said:
"The NHS" is the cop-out easy virtue signalling option.another_richard said:
Which is why so many people say the NHS.Sean_F said:
Perhaps naming unemployment is, for some people, a socially correct response.AlastairMeeks said:Amazing how many people name unemployment, given the current statistics. Some people are never satisfied.
If you're younger, and vote Labour, you're going to be interested in it if you work in it, have friends that work in it, or if you want to signal what you're about over it.
Ergo, the NHS scores highly. It is both important to many, and a national religion at the same time.0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
https://twitter.com/matchico/status/900061084878614529Theuniondivvie said:
That's conjured up an image of Dan floating about Nijinsky-like in a leotard to something by Elgar.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/900059068680810499
I used to like pogoing to the Sex Pistols. But then I was young and my knees still worked.0 -
So Rotherham grooming (from the early 1990s onwards), FGM (for at least a generation), Human Trafficking (ditto), Jew hatred (SWP / Nazis / National Front) etc etc were all caused by Brexit.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Dr Who Lives !
Or perhaps Brexit will help us recover from these things that happened on the EU watch.
Or perhaps someone is blowing smoke.0 -
It's due to the British inferiority complex with the Americans. The NHS is the main thing we beat them at these days.Richard_Nabavi said:Is there any other country in Europe where the health service is such a political issue?
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FPT: Apols if it's off-topic but I think it's interesting.FrancisUrquhart said:
The BBC4 documentary on the Silk Road last night was fascinating. He was making $20k a day, while sub-renting an upstairs room in a house in San Francisco for $1k a month and using the public library wifi for internet.Monkeys said:It just occurred to me that the Pope wears a £10 analogue watch.
I wonder what Satoshi Nakamoto wears?
This may be the age of narcissists, but shaped by the Ascetic Monk
I have no idea how many, is any of the bitcoins he made he still has. I can only imagine what they would be worth now.
I know the feds seized hundreds of thousands of them. What's really interesting is selling them off immediately would have crashed the market, so they sold them off in blocks, and slightly above market price.
They didn't want to crash it.
Another bitcoin incident: an exchange, Mt Gox, got hacked and a bunch of bitcoin stolen. We can see the movement of the coins through the blockchain, and at the end of July someone running another exchange was arrested for money laundering, and part of that was involvement in the Mt Gox hack.
Around the time of his arrest, we can see 66,000 of them suddenly shift on the Blockchain:
https://blockchain.info/address/18f1yugoAJuXcHAbsuRVLQC9TezJ6iVRLp
Had a beer after work so I might be insensible.0 -
These things have happened in a large way because of mass immigration. The public never wanted it, the politicians never listened to them, then we had a referendum which was a proxy for immigration control, and a chance to slap the political elite in the face...MattW said:
So Rotherham grooming (from the early 1990s onwards), FGM (for at least a generation), Human Trafficking (ditto), Jew hatred (SWP / Nazis / National Front) etc etc were all caused by Brexit.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Dr Who Lives !
Or perhaps Brexit will help us recover from these things that happened on the EU watch.
Or perhaps someone is blowing smoke.0 -
Maybe we should replace Nelson with Farage, I'm sure some would agree0
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But it wasn't EU migration it was migration the government could have controlled, so who did they slap in the face?isam said:
These things have happened in a large way because of mass immigration. The public never wanted it, the politicians never listened to them, then we had a referendum which was a proxy for immigration control, and a chance to slap the political elite in the face...MattW said:
So Rotherham grooming (from the early 1990s onwards), FGM (for at least a generation), Human Trafficking (ditto), Jew hatred (SWP / Nazis / National Front) etc etc were all caused by Brexit.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Dr Who Lives !
Or perhaps Brexit will help us recover from these things that happened on the EU watch.
Or perhaps someone is blowing smoke.0 -
Yes. Except he didn't actually get that. He got the possibility that, if all the other EU governments agreed, then he could temporarily suspend early access to benefits.RobD said:
Wasn't limiting early access to benefits part of Cameron's grand *ahem* renegotiation?NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
It's a continuum even for "free movement", though isn't it?welshowl said:
Got to be stronger than that I feel. I want it under the total control of a govt I can elect and fire. I feel people would be more comfortable about numbers, even not inconsiderable ones (and yes of course we will need immigrants), if they feel they are getting a say. At present we have signed away all control on 440m. If you don't control your borders, you are not a proper country, nor can your realistically plan for the future as a state for the benefit of your citizens if you only have a pretty inaccurate idea of how many will be here and where in five and ten years time.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Free movement for those with certain qualifications, no criminal records, no possibility of benefits, and a job offer paying more than x
Through to
Free movement and free benefits for anyone from anywhere.0 -
Some people think that no case can be sufficiently overstated, and to be fair, equality and diversity practice makes it rational to overstate one's case.Casino_Royale said:
I don't know what some people expect to achieve by resorting to such hyperbole.williamglenn said:Hannan's reaction to a third generation Indian immigrant saying he was always proud to be British but now, the country he thought he knew is unrecognisable is that he "can't hear the music".
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/9000590686808104990 -
Indeed.rcs1000 said:
It's a continuum even for "free movement", though isn't it?welshowl said:
Got to be stronger than that I feel. I want it under the total control of a govt I can elect and fire. I feel people would be more comfortable about numbers, even not inconsiderable ones (and yes of course we will need immigrants), if they feel they are getting a say. At present we have signed away all control on 440m. If you don't control your borders, you are not a proper country, nor can your realistically plan for the future as a state for the benefit of your citizens if you only have a pretty inaccurate idea of how many will be here and where in five and ten years time.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Free movement for those with certain qualifications, no criminal records, no possibility of benefits, and a job offer paying more than x
Through to
Free movement and free benefits for anyone from anywhere.0 -
There's probably about 10% of the population, and perhaps 15% among opinion formers, who do actually believe in the latter.rcs1000 said:
It's a continuum even for "free movement", though isn't it?welshowl said:
Got to be stronger than that I feel. I want it under the total control of a govt I can elect and fire. I feel people would be more comfortable about numbers, even not inconsiderable ones (and yes of course we will need immigrants), if they feel they are getting a say. At present we have signed away all control on 440m. If you don't control your borders, you are not a proper country, nor can your realistically plan for the future as a state for the benefit of your citizens if you only have a pretty inaccurate idea of how many will be here and where in five and ten years time.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Free movement for those with certain qualifications, no criminal records, no possibility of benefits, and a job offer paying more than x
Through to
Free movement and free benefits for anyone from anywhere.0 -
Successive governments allowed immigration, both EU and non EU, to increase beyond all known records, while promising to be tough on it. The public always want less immigration said the polls, but no matter who was in charge, they increased it. UKIP went from 3% to 13% once they majored on immigration, despite being a one man band. Then we had a chance to slap the bosses in the face...nichomar said:
But it wasn't EU migration it was migration the government could have controlled, so who did they slap in the face?isam said:
These things have happened in a large way because of mass immigration. The public never wanted it, the politicians never listened to them, then we had a referendum which was a proxy for immigration control, and a chance to slap the political elite in the face...MattW said:
So Rotherham grooming (from the early 1990s onwards), FGM (for at least a generation), Human Trafficking (ditto), Jew hatred (SWP / Nazis / National Front) etc etc were all caused by Brexit.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Dr Who Lives !
Or perhaps Brexit will help us recover from these things that happened on the EU watch.
Or perhaps someone is blowing smoke.0 -
There have always been any number of ways we could reform the benefits system in full compliance with EU law as long as it was non-discriminatory.rcs1000 said:
Yes. Except he didn't actually get that. He got the possibility that, if all the other EU governments agreed, then he could temporarily suspend early access to benefits.RobD said:
Wasn't limiting early access to benefits part of Cameron's grand *ahem* renegotiation?NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0 -
We could call it Farage's Follynichomar said:Maybe we should replace Nelson with Farage, I'm sure some would agree
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You should be most angry at the Eurosceptic takeover of the Tory party in the 90s that gave Blair a free run. If Ken Clarke had been leader in 1997, a lot of things would have been different.isam said:
Successive governments allowed immigration, both EU and non EU, to increase beyond all known records, while promising to be tough on it. The public always want less immigration said the polls, but no matter who was in charge, they increased it. UKIP went from 3% to 13% once they majored on immigration, despite being a one man band. Then we had a chance to slap the bosses in the face...nichomar said:
But it wasn't EU migration it was migration the government could have controlled, so who did they slap in the face?isam said:
These things have happened in a large way because of mass immigration. The public never wanted it, the politicians never listened to them, then we had a referendum which was a proxy for immigration control, and a chance to slap the political elite in the face...MattW said:
So Rotherham grooming (from the early 1990s onwards), FGM (for at least a generation), Human Trafficking (ditto), Jew hatred (SWP / Nazis / National Front) etc etc were all caused by Brexit.another_richard said:
You should feel enriched about the vibrant new Britain of suburban shanty towns, Jew hatred, industrial scale racist child rape, female genital mutilation, human trafficking and slavery.AnneJGP said:
Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that the feeling of having been turned into a stranger in one's own country only matters when it's expressed from one side of a multi-faceted issue.NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.
Dr Who Lives !
Or perhaps Brexit will help us recover from these things that happened on the EU watch.
Or perhaps someone is blowing smoke.0 -
It is however, reasonable to discriminate between British Nationals and non-nationals.williamglenn said:
There have always been any number of ways we could reform the benefits system in full compliance with EU law as long as it was non-discriminatory.rcs1000 said:
Yes. Except he didn't actually get that. He got the possibility that, if all the other EU governments agreed, then he could temporarily suspend early access to benefits.RobD said:
Wasn't limiting early access to benefits part of Cameron's grand *ahem* renegotiation?NickPalmer said:Although Brexit was seen by many commentators as being mostly about immigration (and for many perhaps it was), it also seems to have had a detoxifying effect - people who used to worry a lot about the issue now feel vaguely that something is being done.
The zealots who really disliked foreigners were always a small minority - most people who were and to some extent still are concerned mainly felt it was out of control rather than terrible per se, and I reckon most would be up for some sort of fudge on freedom of movement - something more about limiting early access to benefits, say.0
