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It was noticing the photograph above of the Conservative battle bus at the general election that reminded me what a huge gamble the blue team made at the last election by putting everything on Theresa May.
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Surely if you have to tell everyone that you're a good leader, it's a surefire sign you're not? Was a bizarre slogan from the get-go.0
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She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
"Can she pull it round?..."
As always in politics, never say never - but realistically, no.0 -
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Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?0 -
Are the Koresh hoodies still for sale?GIN1138 said:0 -
Poor man. He really doesn't sound well.GIN1138 said:
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Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
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She lost the Tory majority, for that she deserves to be ousted.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Worst of all she lost the Tory majority against an IRA condoning Trot.
She should be forced to do the walk of shame in Manchester next month.0 -
No, it's the Remain bus:Ishmael_Z said:You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-mays-recycled-battle-bus/
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I didn't know the Rump Parliament was a Tory PM.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Although I suppose a rump is an arse, and that could be a point of similarity.
(And yes, I know you were referring to Amery and Chamberlain.)0 -
Stable always was a nonsense. There were many ways to describe the period of Conservative majority 2015-17, but stable was certainly not one of them. When the u-turn/non u- turn on the dementia tax took place, it kicked away the strong and leadership bit too.
Slogans are all well and good (long term economic plan), but they have to bear some relation to reality.0 -
No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.0 -
You want another general election so soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
She lost the Tory majority, for that she deserves to be ousted.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
So what? She has more important things to worry about right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
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LOL. Vertiginous depths of irony.AlastairMeeks said:
No, it's the Remain bus:Ishmael_Z said:You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-mays-recycled-battle-bus/0 -
Being ousted doesn't mean a new general electionThreeQuidder said:
You want another general election so soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
She lost the Tory majority, for that she deserves to be ousted.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
One very, very disturbed individual. Gone far beyond mockery now!GIN1138 said:
Hope he gets back to UK asap.0 -
Legally, no, but politically it probably does in the present circumstances.TheScreamingEagles said:
Being ousted doesn't mean a new general electionThreeQuidder said:
You want another general election so soon?TheScreamingEagles said:
She lost the Tory majority, for that she deserves to be ousted.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
For the government the only way is down.0
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It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".0 -
There you may be being pessimistic. There are many pitfalls for Labour too, not least their leadership which remains weak and incompetent, also with an average age above 60.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Regarding Grenfell, first of all let's hope there isn't another one. Numerous blocks have failed and are undergoing hurried repairs but the only ones to have been forcibly evacuated (and evacuated in a bungled fashion that would have disgraced a fairly competent six year old, at that) were by a Labour council.
Incidentally, am I the only person wondering why Emma Dent Coad appears so desperate for the Grenfell enquiry not to go ahead?0 -
Ms. Aforethought, sounds like Mr. Eagles' take on classical history
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Does she? What has she said?ydoethur said:
There you may be being pessimistic. There are many pitfalls for Labour too, not least their leadership which remains weak and incompetent, also with an average age above 60.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Regarding Grenfell, first of all let's hope there isn't another one. Numerous blocks have failed and are undergoing hurried repairs but the only ones to have been forcibly evacuated (and evacuated in a bungled fashion that would have disgraced a fairly competent six year old, at that) were by a Labour council.
Incidentally, am I the only person wondering why Emma Dent Coad appears so desperate for the Grenfell enquiry not to go ahead?
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But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".0 -
Why would you want a new leader who would surely see approval ratings drop over the 4 year period until the next election ?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
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She keeps trying to get the judge sacked.Alice_Aforethought said:
Does she? What has she said?ydoethur said:
There you may be being pessimistic. There are many pitfalls for Labour too, not least their leadership which remains weak and incompetent, also with an average age above 60.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Regarding Grenfell, first of all let's hope there isn't another one. Numerous blocks have failed and are undergoing hurried repairs but the only ones to have been forcibly evacuated (and evacuated in a bungled fashion that would have disgraced a fairly competent six year old, at that) were by a Labour council.
Incidentally, am I the only person wondering why Emma Dent Coad appears so desperate for the Grenfell enquiry not to go ahead?0 -
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
In fairness, if Isobel 'Dead Pig' Oakeshott said anything, I would in default of other evidence assume the opposite was true.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
However, in this case there is fairly ample evidence that he does indeed have a serious problem.0 -
A good leader will have decent ratings.TGOHF said:
Why would you want a new leader who would surely see approval ratings drop over the 4 year period until the next election ?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Blair, Cameron, Thatcher et al managed it.0 -
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.0 -
Obviously there’s not too many buses around with the office-style fitout and comms package.AlastairMeeks said:
No, it's the Remain bus:Ishmael_Z said:You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-mays-recycled-battle-bus/
Who else uses them apart from politicians?0 -
Mr. Topping, if May said that she'd be toppled before she finished speaking.0
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Right, but if he wants to keep his job or get another, he may find it helpful to point to some tinfoil hattery as evidence that he was off his trolley whatever his fans want.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
A propos I read this chap's book a while ago and it was very interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda
He is the Japanese soldier in the Philippines who did not surrender in 1972. How he persuaded himself that the war was not over, despite ample evidence to the contrary, is really quite illuminating. And he's not unique. There was another who didn't surrender till 1974 and others may well have held out longer and died later.0 -
I haven't heard a peep from her for months.
What on earth is she doing?0 -
Yes - but a clean skin nearer the election will have less risk of "events" scuppering those ratings.TheScreamingEagles said:
A good leader will have decent ratings.TGOHF said:
Why would you want a new leader who would surely see approval ratings drop over the 4 year period until the next election ?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Blair, Cameron, Thatcher et al managed it.
You lack patience for a 5 year game.0 -
Cricket teams.Sandpit said:
Obviously there’s not too many buses around with the office-style fitout and comms package.AlastairMeeks said:
No, it's the Remain bus:Ishmael_Z said:You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-mays-recycled-battle-bus/
Who else uses them apart from politicians?
Pakistan's team coach is the same vehicle as infamous Brexit bus pledging to fund NHS
Mickey Arthur's side face the Proteas in Birmingham today looking for their first win of the competition after their opening defeat against arch-rivals India.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/pakistans-team-coach-same-vehicle-105787110 -
One of those at least was not a good leader.TheScreamingEagles said:
A good leader will have decent ratings.TGOHF said:
Why would you want a new leader who would surely see approval ratings drop over the 4 year period until the next election ?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Blair, Cameron, Thatcher et al managed it.
Although interestingly he is also the only one who won every non-constituency vote he was responsible for.0 -
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma0 -
She's been invisible since around the time she sought Cameron's advice.Casino_Royale said:I haven't heard a peep from her for months.
What on earth is she doing?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/17/theresa-may-seeks-david-camerons-advice-prime-minister-prepares/0 -
Nah. You need to deal with the infection first before it kills the patient.TGOHF said:
Yes - but a clean skin nearer the election will have less risk of "events" scuppering those ratings.TheScreamingEagles said:
A good leader will have decent ratings.TGOHF said:
Why would you want a new leader who would surely see approval ratings drop over the 4 year period until the next election ?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's buying the Tories two days in opposition with every day she remains in power.TGOHF said:
Given that she will go before another GE, is it good tactics to change sooner or later ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If she has another Grenfell then you might as well give Corbyn the keys to Number 10 now.
Blair, Cameron, Thatcher et al managed it.
You lack patience for a 5 year game.0 -
Maybe, but she needs to crack on really. Her not condemning Trump was a mis-step: that's a free hit on an unpopular president saying stupid things.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.
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No, it really isn't...619 said:Maybe, but she needs to crack on really. Her not condemning Trump was a mis-step: that's a free hit on an unpopular president saying stupid things.
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/8975628934403727360 -
Correction: he claims to be relying on BoJo, we have no idea how much of what he's tweeting is true.isam said:
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma0 -
La reine est mort, vive le roi (ie Jacob).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, if May said that she'd be toppled before she finished speaking.
Yes I'm afraid you are probably right. But as any Leaver will tell you, there was no manifesto for Leave, it is up to the government, so there is no reason she couldn't.
Plus, thinking about it - she is funnily enough safer than she has ever been. What are they going to do? Throw her out? There would have to be a GE and even bonkers Brexiters don't want one of those.0 -
Ha, indeed it is! Maybe they’re flexible enough to change them around inside depending on the customer, a sports team bus interior is usually like a first class train carriage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cricket teams.Sandpit said:
Obviously there’s not too many buses around with the office-style fitout and comms package.AlastairMeeks said:
No, it's the Remain bus:Ishmael_Z said:You wait all year for a bus-themed thread and then two come along at once.
Is it the same bus?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-mays-recycled-battle-bus/
Who else uses them apart from politicians?
Pakistan's team coach is the same vehicle as infamous Brexit bus pledging to fund NHS
Mickey Arthur's side face the Proteas in Birmingham today looking for their first win of the competition after their opening defeat against arch-rivals India.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/pakistans-team-coach-same-vehicle-105787110 -
@FrankRGardner: Spanish media report that #BarcelonaAttack van attack suspect has been caught just west of Barcelona.0
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I suppose that's the nature of tweeting, but in my book, saying publicly I have been told not to be nasty to him because he is mad...is not cricket.isam said:
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma0 -
At the same time as calling him names.Essexit said:
Correction: he claims to be relying on BoJo, we have no idea how much of what he's tweeting is true.isam said:
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma
https://twitter.com/James08209590/status/899596617422168064
The guy is losing it, I suggest we all leave him to it. The British Embassy in Athens will know about him and deal with whatever needs doing.0 -
I see your point. I guess she just wanted to shut him up.TOPPING said:
I suppose that's the nature of tweeting, but in my book, saying publicly I have been told not to be nasty to him because he is mad...is not cricket.isam said:
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma0 -
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
Catalan Separatist?isam said:0 -
Well she did win the Election, but it was also a failure. @ThreeQuidder didn't call it a success.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.0 -
She won the election, Mike, get over it.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
It's a bit much you calling me stupid when you were the one touting James Chapman as the new great hope for the continuity Remainers!0 -
Mr. Smithson, reminds me a little of the old Third Crusade debate (although Richard's task was far harder than May's, and he was far more competent). Retook Acre but didn't get Jerusalem. Success, or failure?0
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Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.0 -
By her own metric she lost the election.ThreeQuidder said:
She won the election, Mike, get over it.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
It's a bit much you calling me stupid when you were the one touting James Chapman as the new great hope for the continuity Remainers!
She said if she lost six seats she'd lose the election. She lost more than six.0 -
re Theresa's success or otherwise, I think the point is that she ended up in a worse position than she started, and she didn't need to do it.
That is the key issue.
If there was a statutory election, she fought and won, then well done her. But this was entirely to increase her existing majority, was not needed, and she failed in the only thing she held the election for. Hence I think it fair to say she failed, although of course "won" the election (in quote marks because she didn't win the election as in win an overall majority allowing her party to make decisions unilaterally win the election).0 -
She couldn't do that - how about Boris ;-)TOPPING said:
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
Did you miss the Borough Market incident ?foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.0 -
If they topple her there is a GE (imagine the Evening Standard leaders). No one wants that.logical_song said:
She couldn't do that - how about Boris ;-)TOPPING said:
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
Meeting plod quite often in the line of duty, I'd have to disagree.foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.
A lot of people would certainly get liquidated, but rather too many would be Brazilian electricians.0 -
'Media reports quoting police sources said the man targeted in Subirats shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Greatest") when confronted.'
Looks like the police didn't have time to enter into this theological discussion.0 -
So he was "Asian"?SandyRentool said:'Media reports quoting police sources said the man targeted in Subirats shouted "Allahu Akbar"
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Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion, but would there need to be a GE? If Tory/DUP choose to stick together then it could be business as usual (SNAFU).TOPPING said:
If they topple her there is a GE (imagine the Evening Standard leaders). No one wants that.logical_song said:
She couldn't do that - how about Boris ;-)TOPPING said:
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
Many moons ago I read a great comment by an American Union leader.tpfkar said:Surely if you have to tell everyone that you're a good leader, it's a surefire sign you're not? Was a bizarre slogan from the get-go.
Being powerful is like being a lady.
If you have to tell people you are, you ain't.....0 -
Only one news story for the next few hours...
https://twitter.com/itsRamel/status/8996435330486353920 -
You have to admire Mr £3 tenaciousness in the face of the facts.TheScreamingEagles said:
By her own metric she lost the election.ThreeQuidder said:
She won the election, Mike, get over it.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
It's a bit much you calling me stupid when you were the one touting James Chapman as the new great hope for the continuity Remainers!
She said if she lost six seats she'd lose the election. She lost more than six.0 -
Isn't that usually attributed to Thatcher?CarlottaVance said:
Many moons ago I read a great comment by an American Union leader.tpfkar said:Surely if you have to tell everyone that you're a good leader, it's a surefire sign you're not? Was a bizarre slogan from the get-go.
Being powerful is like being a lady.
If you have to tell people you are, you ain't.....0 -
Eight minutes from first 999 call to dead terrorists is not too shabby....TGOHF said:
Did you miss the Borough Market incident ?foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.0 -
Perhaps you are right, we need EU migrant cops if we want crack shots. Our own bobbies are not up to the same standard.Alice_Aforethought said:
Meeting plod quite often in the line of duty, I'd have to disagree.foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.
A lot of people would certainly get liquidated, but rather too many would be Brazilian electricians.0 -
Named locally as Juan?Alice_Aforethought said:
So he was "Asian"?SandyRentool said:'Media reports quoting police sources said the man targeted in Subirats shouted "Allahu Akbar"
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It is - possibly we both read it in the Sunday Times!williamglenn said:
Isn't that usually attributed to Thatcher?CarlottaVance said:
Many moons ago I read a great comment by an American Union leader.tpfkar said:Surely if you have to tell everyone that you're a good leader, it's a surefire sign you're not? Was a bizarre slogan from the get-go.
Being powerful is like being a lady.
If you have to tell people you are, you ain't.....0 -
You must be madfoxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.0 -
That was thanks to our membership of the EU - will decline to 3rd world standards after Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Eight minutes from first 999 call to dead terrorists is not too shabby....TGOHF said:
Did you miss the Borough Market incident ?foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.
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The equivalent to Cambrils would perhaps be Cromer.TGOHF said:
Did you miss the Borough Market incident ?foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.
London is unusual in having armed cops minutes away. When the Whitehaven shootings happened it took an hour for armed cops to get there.
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What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.0
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No indeed I got the non-serious bit, but just thinking further about it, May is safe as houses - I really don't think they could get away with two coronations because people would say: unelected May just scraped through, unelected second guy would get a hiding and you need to give us the opportunity to give it to him.logical_song said:
Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion, but would there need to be a GE? If Tory/DUP choose to stick together then it could be business as usual (SNAFU).TOPPING said:
If they topple her there is a GE (imagine the Evening Standard leaders). No one wants that.logical_song said:
She couldn't do that - how about Boris ;-)TOPPING said:
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
Has to be a Black Swan.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
Though voters fell out of love with Cameron following Coulson and the pasty tax but he got them back for the next general election organically.0 -
Maybe Corbyn being actually scrutinised properly as now people expect him to win the next election. The last one was all about May and Tory cock-ups.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
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Didn't she say that if she lost six seats Corbyn would become PM? That was wrong too.TheScreamingEagles said:
By her own metric she lost the election.ThreeQuidder said:
She won the election, Mike, get over it.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
It's a bit much you calling me stupid when you were the one touting James Chapman as the new great hope for the continuity Remainers!
She said if she lost six seats she'd lose the election. She lost more than six.0 -
I imagine she will try to have a 'reboot' or 3, but none of them will land.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
She was never 'popular' as a warm personality, but for being 'strong and stable' and ' A safe pair of hands'. She has lost that, and I can't see how she can ever get that back again.
Eventually, she will make a big mistake or circumstances will make it look like she has, her popularity will plummet even more and she will be given a chance to retire with grace and make way for someone else.0 -
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Any new Tory leader will have to go for an election. If before March 2019, they would have to say that there will be one in June 2019, as they may be able to get away with delaying for Brexit talksTOPPING said:
No indeed I got the non-serious bit, but just thinking further about it, May is safe as houses - I really don't think they could get away with two coronations because people would say: unelected May just scraped through, unelected second guy would get a hiding and you need to give us the opportunity to give it to him.logical_song said:
Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion, but would there need to be a GE? If Tory/DUP choose to stick together then it could be business as usual (SNAFU).TOPPING said:
If they topple her there is a GE (imagine the Evening Standard leaders). No one wants that.logical_song said:
She couldn't do that - how about Boris ;-)TOPPING said:
She would need to grasp the nettle and announce that we were staying in the single market and customs union and that for this the ECJ would be the final arbiter. She could then go strongly into bat for some kind of restriction on freedom of movement analagous to the emergency brake available a la EEA rules.Richard_Nabavi said:No, she can't turn it round, but she can salvage her reputation and depart with grace, if Brexit can be negotiated without total chaos. How big an 'if' that is remains to be seen.
Although many of her woes are self-inflicted, it's also the case that the media like to knock down those that they have built up. Before the election, she was getting an over-favourable press, and a correction was inevitable. What was surprising was the speed and ferocity of that correction.
Jeremy Corbyn has arguably followed the reverse trajectory, but Labour shouldn't kid themselves that the fundamentals have changed.0 -
Something will happen before long that will give her the opportunity to re-assert herself. Whether or not she's up to it remains to be seen.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I doubt it personally.0 -
The sun was basically calling him a terrorist in the lead up to the election and making him out to be a total idiot.CopperSulphate said:
Maybe Corbyn being actually scrutinised properly as now people expect him to win the next election. The last one was all about May and Tory cock-ups.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I don't buy this 'Corbyn was given an easy time' argument I keep seeing0 -
Given he is claiming to have been arrested, drugged and assaulted on the orders of HMG that sounds a bit ominous...Sandpit said:
At the same time as calling him names.Essexit said:
Correction: he claims to be relying on BoJo, we have no idea how much of what he's tweeting is true.isam said:
He slagged her off in public, so she mentioned that she had been told not to respond harshly as he wasn't well. Fair enough comeback I'd sayTOPPING said:
If she knew him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.isam said:
But when Isobel Oakeshott implied he was mentally ill, his fans slaughtered herAlice_Aforethought said:
It could be smart. If you want later to disown your Twittery and get away with it by telling everyone you were mentally ill when you wrote all that then, a good start might be to appear to be a complete nutter now. You can then argue that all of it was of a piece.RoyalBlue said:
It is the Blackadder Goes Forth strategy of wearing your underpants on your head, sticking pencils up your nose and going "wibble, wibble".
If she didn't know him to be mentally ill then it was inappropriate to tweet.
Now he is relying on Boris "lock him up" Johnson to get him out of Greece.. karma
https://twitter.com/James08209590/status/899596617422168064
The guy is losing it, I suggest we all leave him to it. The British Embassy in Athens will know about him and deal with whatever needs doing. 0 -
You've either got the want to go for a drink with factor or you haven't.freetochoose said:
Something will happen before long that will give her the opportunity to re-assert herself. Whether or not she's up to it remains to be seen.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I doubt it personally.
She transparently doesn't have it, which was fine when the perception was we need a harsh taskmistress to get us through Brexit. But this no longer applies now either - you can't be a harsh taskmistress if no one needs to listen to you and your threats.
She now just has to soldier on.0 -
The facts are that she got most votes, most seats and was the only possible PM.logical_song said:
You have to admire Mr £3 tenaciousness in the face of the facts.TheScreamingEagles said:
By her own metric she lost the election.ThreeQuidder said:
She won the election, Mike, get over it.MikeSmithson said:
Even by your standards that is a very stupid comment. She went into the election with the express objective of winning a bigger majority. She ended up without a majority at all. I call that failure.ThreeQuidder said:
Far too soon to depose a leader who just won a general election.TheScreamingEagles said:She's a loser, to quote a message aimed at another Tory PM..
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
It's a bit much you calling me stupid when you were the one touting James Chapman as the new great hope for the continuity Remainers!
She said if she lost six seats she'd lose the election. She lost more than six.
She won.0 -
She did condemn him, in no uncertain terms.619 said:Maybe, but she needs to crack on really. Her not condemning Trump was a mis-step: that's a free hit on an unpopular president saying stupid things.
That's she's perceived by some as not having done so is a fine example of the fact that she's now being treated unfairly unfavourably, in contrast to the period before the election when she was being over-praised.0 -
I'd be surprised if Argentina invades the Falklands this side of the next General Election.freetochoose said:
Something will happen before long that will give her the opportunity to re-assert herself. Whether or not she's up to it remains to be seen.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I doubt it personally.
Where else might she start a war?0 -
SandyRentool said:
'Media reports quoting police sources said the man targeted in Subirats shouted "Allahu Akbar"
Admiral Akbar?
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Gibraltar.SandyRentool said:
I'd be surprised if Argentina invades the Falklands this side of the next General Election.freetochoose said:
Something will happen before long that will give her the opportunity to re-assert herself. Whether or not she's up to it remains to be seen.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I doubt it personally.
Where else might she start a war?
Though we might have to give up sovereignty of The Rock to get a good Brexit deal.0 -
You think those drunken pikeys should have been shot dead on Saturday night ?foxinsoxuk said:
The equivalent to Cambrils would perhaps be Cromer.TGOHF said:
Did you miss the Borough Market incident ?foxinsoxuk said:
Spanish police do seem very effective. Gunning down 5 terrorists in a resort like cambrils before they got anyone was particularly so, as not a high profile area.isam said:
Finnish plod not slouches either. About time our boys in blue got firearms as a routine.
Not sure I'd go that far..0 -
It could be related to the rising threat of Islam to the UK and Europe.SandyRentool said:
I'd be surprised if Argentina invades the Falklands this side of the next General Election.freetochoose said:
Something will happen before long that will give her the opportunity to re-assert herself. Whether or not she's up to it remains to be seen.AlastairMeeks said:What is it that Theresa May is going to say or do that will change people's opinions of her again? It's hard to imagine in practice.
I doubt it personally.
Where else might she start a war?0 -
Not sure this fits the Remain narrative, however some of us have been saying the same for a while now:
http://commentcentral.co.uk/brexit-negotiations-the-davis-poker-face/0
