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She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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Oh, okay.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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He's had no real option but to disband them, given they were about to disband themselves in light of his recent remarks.Ishmael_Z said:
Looking at the bigness of the cheeses on those two bodies, and in view of the implied slight to American manufacturing and its workers, not the cleverest move even if quite amusing at first sight.Scott_P said:0 -
She made the tactical mistake of doing so in the Sun.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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Someone on twitter mentioned that he had gone "full Mensch". A bit unfair on Mensch, I think.CarlottaVance said:0 -
What polls? There hasn't been a Scotland-only VI poll since the GE.Mortimer said:
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?Philip_Thompson said:
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.Mortimer said:
SNP abstain, presumably?MikeSmithson said:
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.aschamberlain said:
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.PClipp said:
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....stodge said:
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.felix said:
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
When is the next general election?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.0 -
James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.0
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Well the Guardian was hardly going to publish it.Nigelb said:
She made the tactical mistake of doing so in the Sun.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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For telling the truth.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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Stakhanov mined 102 tons of coal. That was at least something useful. When he packed up the furnaces could be fed on what he had done.AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
Admittedly he had ample help while it is becoming brutally clear Chapman is a political party of one member, albeit a truly colossal member.0 -
And did he mine the coal by digging? In a hole?ydoethur said:
Stakhanov mined 102 tons of coal. That was at least something useful. When he packed up the furnaces could be fed on what he had done.AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
Admittedly he had ample help while it is becoming brutally clear Chapman is a political party of one member, albeit a truly colossal member.0 -
Was that the longest Corbyn has gone without a shadow cabinet resignation? Abbott excluded, of course.0
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He's running at about 70 tweets an hour I think, could be more. I wonder if its just him or there are any ghosts involved..AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
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Maybe he reallllly doesn't like his wife?Pulpstar said:
He's running at about 70 tweets an hour I think, could be more. I wonder if its just him or there are any ghosts involved..AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
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Hmm.. top trolling by Labour.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
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Special for SeanT if he's still around...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/dont-mean-ruin-your-holiday-but-europe-hates-tourists-with-good-reason-suzanne-moore0 -
I'd imagine the feeling's mutual.RobD said:
Maybe he reallllly doesn't like his wife?Pulpstar said:
He's running at about 70 tweets an hour I think, could be more. I wonder if its just him or there are any ghosts involved..AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
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I bet the people working in the hospitality industries would have a rather different view.NickPalmer said:Special for SeanT if he's still around...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/dont-mean-ruin-your-holiday-but-europe-hates-tourists-with-good-reason-suzanne-moore0 -
Europe may hate tourists, but it loves their money.NickPalmer said:Special for SeanT if he's still around...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/dont-mean-ruin-your-holiday-but-europe-hates-tourists-with-good-reason-suzanne-moore0 -
Yes. But other people were on hand to shovel it out of his way.Ishmael_Z said:
And did he mine the coal by digging? In a hole?ydoethur said:
Stakhanov mined 102 tons of coal. That was at least something useful. When he packed up the furnaces could be fed on what he had done.AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
Admittedly he had ample help while it is becoming brutally clear Chapman is a political party of one member, albeit a truly colossal member.0 -
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
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Nice avatar....Essexit said:
I'd imagine the feeling's mutual.RobD said:
Maybe he reallllly doesn't like his wife?Pulpstar said:
He's running at about 70 tweets an hour I think, could be more. I wonder if its just him or there are any ghosts involved..AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
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What are the terrorists going to do about it?nichomar said:
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40948414 0 -
ThanksRobD said:
Nice avatar....Essexit said:
I'd imagine the feeling's mutual.RobD said:
Maybe he reallllly doesn't like his wife?Pulpstar said:
He's running at about 70 tweets an hour I think, could be more. I wonder if its just him or there are any ghosts involved..AlastairMeeks said:James Chapman's tweet rate while he's on holiday is positively Stakhanovite. Never mind the quality, feel the weight.
In my spare time I'm quite the memesmith. 0 -
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"RobD said:
What are the terrorists going to do about it?nichomar said:
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40948414
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Anticipated delay in Brexit talks due to lack of sufficient progress:
Sky sources have indicated that the challenge and timing of agreeing a new German government after federal elections at the end of September has meant a "more formal" engagement from Berlin than had been anticipated.
What a joke. Do they expect Merkel invite them for an informal chat to do a deal after the election?
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Well David Davis thought that.williamglenn said:Anticipated delay in Brexit talks due to lack of sufficient progress:
Sky sources have indicated that the challenge and timing of agreeing a new German government after federal elections at the end of September has meant a "more formal" engagement from Berlin than had been anticipated.
What a joke. Do they expect Merkel invite them for an informal chat to do a deal after the election?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/897883293043085312
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As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?nichomar said:
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"RobD said:
What are the terrorists going to do about it?nichomar said:
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-409484140 -
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/8977369259682037760 -
Its the home grown ones that are the problem, have air strikes solved any conflict in the ME?RobD said:
As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?nichomar said:
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"RobD said:
What are the terrorists going to do about it?nichomar said:
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40948414
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Never gonna give EU up will be the order of the day then.TheScreamingEagles said:Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
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Greece was very welcoming to us in June. Greeks we know reiterated that point and said how welcome Brits were. Germans were less welcome due to WW2 and the Banks.Sean_F said:
Europe may hate tourists, but it loves their money.NickPalmer said:Special for SeanT if he's still around...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/dont-mean-ruin-your-holiday-but-europe-hates-tourists-with-good-reason-suzanne-moore
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They do cover the issue, and also this very interesting victims story:Essexit said:
Well the Guardian was hardly going to publish it.Nigelb said:
She made the tactical mistake of doing so in the Sun.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir
I will stop there, as I promised Mike not to discuss this topic again on PB.0 -
Post of the daywilliamglenn said:
Never gonna give EU up will be the order of the day then.TheScreamingEagles said:Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
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Christopher Cantley is furious that Trump "surrendered his daughter to a Jew." it makes him very angry "to see that bastard Kushner walking round with such a beautiful girl.". For good measure, he wants a President who is "more racist than Trump."TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/897736925968203776
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This development today is very disturbing. Sacked for speaking truth to the power inside the Labour party.Ishmael_Z said:
"extremely poor choice of words" - specifically, saying "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls" when what she meant was "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
If the Lib Dems and Conservatives were not so dominated by political correctness they would be attacking the Labour party on this.
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Which problems in the ME have been solved by air strikes? On a lighter note £3bn would have paid for 3,000,000 police man according to Diane Abbott!RobD said:
As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?nichomar said:
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"RobD said:
What are the terrorists going to do about it?nichomar said:
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zoneCharles said:
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.CarlottaVance said:
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':felix said:Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
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A sensible and balanced commentary on the US divide, in the Guardian of all places.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/donald-trump-supporters-liberals-sneer0 -
Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
I thought you lefties didnt like jews ?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/8977369259682037760 -
Abstaining would end the SNP.Mortimer said:
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?Philip_Thompson said:
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.Mortimer said:
SNP abstain, presumably?MikeSmithson said:
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.aschamberlain said:
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.PClipp said:
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....stodge said:
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.felix said:
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
When is the next general election?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.0 -
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
So might an election...Alistair said:
Abstaining would end the SNP.Mortimer said:
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?Philip_Thompson said:
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.Mortimer said:
SNP abstain, presumably?MikeSmithson said:
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.aschamberlain said:
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.PClipp said:
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....stodge said:
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.felix said:
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
When is the next general election?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.0 -
Leftie? Me? Don't be silly.Alanbrooke said:
I thought you lefties didnt like jews ?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/897736925968203776
You're the lefty, when you nearly let in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister in 2015.0 -
Both sides etc etc.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/897736925968203776
I note, as well, that the counter protestors had a permit for their demonstration (two in fact) so that's another Nazis apologist talking point blown out of the water.0 -
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
Accepted, but you might consider checking with the other six million. I think I'm going to stay off this now. But suffice it to say that Jewish friendship and collaboration have been have been a wonderful part of my personal and professional life.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.0 -
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
Sadly true. Apart from Lebanon, UAE and Oman I'm not sure there's any Christian churches left in the whole Middle East region now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
ReallyAlistair said:
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values0 -
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.0
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I agree.Alistair said:
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.
An awful prior post also.0 -
"Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi" - discuss.Alanbrooke said:
I thought you lefties didnt like jews ?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/8977369259682037760 -
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting0 -
Hitler was an amateur, Mao the true professionalSunil_Prasannan said:
"Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi" - discuss.Alanbrooke said:
I thought you lefties didnt like jews ?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/8977369259682037760 -
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting0 -
neither doesnichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
both are stong protest votes that politics isnt delivering
the people who have been getting filthy rich a la peter mandelson have been put on notice
until politics reconnects with a major slice of the electorate this will continue, shutting down dissent has failed0 -
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).Alanbrooke said:
ReallyAlistair said:
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.0 -
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
0 -
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.0 -
its meant to be unpleasantkjh said:
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).Alanbrooke said:
ReallyAlistair said:
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.
the nonsensical singling out of events in the US just becasue people dont like Trump doesnt excuse the bigger crimes elsewhere, which those purporting to have a humanitarian concern studiously ignore
if the retort makes you feel uncomfortable at least your have the advantage of humanity in asking why, politicos on the board dont actually give a shit. Some lives are more equal than others it seems0 -
Lib Dems inhouse website denies that Cable is supporting new party launch. But "I think that we need to be careful about rushing to judgement about what is going on. Something is clearly not right. " Caron Lindsay, LD editor.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/no-vince-cable-will-not-be-launching-new-antibrexit-party-with-former-mail-political-editor-55080.html
But if they turn up at the event they will be associating themselves with the erratic Chapman. No one can be a little bit pregnant.0 -
O/T
Must watch TV programme on tonight at 9pm on BBC4 about the history of Milton Keynes.0 -
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?0 -
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties0 -
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.0 -
Wow! When Chappers does his book it is either, going be a total eye-opener or pulped due to lawyers:
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/8978858646757376000 -
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us0 -
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why0 -
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why0 -
PR Industry's main mag, PR Week highlights the attention that Chapman is drawing to Bell Pottinger.
"It will be an unwanted distraction for the embattled agency, which faces questions over its very future ahead of a hearing with the PRCA on Friday over its activities with a controversial South African client."
http://www.prweek.com/article/1442130/thedemocrats-extraordinary-rant-bell-pottinger-partner-james-chapman-grabs-headlines
I can see him getting released by BP.0 -
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?Alanbrooke said:
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us0 -
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt0 -
A highly successful development, although flawed.AndyJS said:O/T
Must watch TV programme on tonight at 9pm on BBC4 about the history of Milton Keynes.
In other news, during my run today I saw geotechnical bods starting work in a newly-harvested field ready for Cambourne West, the latest extension of my 'rural village'.
I look forward to seeing changes over the next few years,0 -
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897899971688706052
No holding back after an evening in Greece.0 -
The anecdote in his original post was very powerful. It stands on its own, without any of your unnecessary deflections.Alanbrooke said:
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt0 -
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentalitynichomar said:
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?Alanbrooke said:
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash0 -
Thankyou for the debate am off to bed as another day beckons and I've run out of fags and don't want to open another bottle. Let's see what tomorrow brings!nichomar said:
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?Alanbrooke said:
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us0 -
He's just the total Fruitloop that Brexiteers need leading the Remoan charge.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897899971688706052
No holding back after an evening in Greece.
Carry On Loopy.0 -
That's a good start, but it's going to be a very slow process involving lots of carrots and sticks.nichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
Possibly some sort of national service for those who drop out, a serious look at the drugs issue (either Portugal or Singapore, not some silly wish washy middle way that only benefits the gangs), kids growing up with no fathers and with no-one around them working. I'd also bring back the Catholic adoption agencies that got shut down a few years ago, who placed babies with good homes.0 -
Muslim-Occupied IndiaAlanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
(only kidding, TSE!)0 -
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...Alanbrooke said:
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co0 -
really its notJosiasJessop said:
The anecdote in his original post was very powerful. It stands on its own, without any of your unnecessary deflections.Alanbrooke said:
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt0 -
Have to agree very short sightedAlanbrooke said:
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentalitynichomar said:
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?Alanbrooke said:
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash0 -
"The Brits partitioned my country, too, you know!"Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
oh dear we're wheeling the old chestnuts out tonightfoxinsoxuk said:
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...Alanbrooke said:
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co0 -
you can have Gerry Adams if you want himSunil_Prasannan said:
"The Brits partitioned my country, too, you know!"Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.0 -
Alanbrooke said:
its meant to be unpleasantkjh said:
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).Alanbrooke said:
ReallyAlistair said:
Whataboutery at its finest.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Purest vintage.
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.
the nonsensical singling out of events in the US just becasue people dont like Trump doesnt excuse the bigger crimes elsewhere, which those purporting to have a humanitarian concern studiously ignore
if the retort makes you feel uncomfortable at least your have the advantage of humanity in asking why, politicos on the board dont actually give a shit. Some lives are more equal than others it seems
It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable; I wasn't part of the original discussion. I also agree with the point you are making now. Sadly that is the way news is reported and discussed and we focus more on home incidents and then 1st world incidents and then 3rd world incidents, even those latter ones may involve 10s or 100s or 1000s more deaths for instance. Sad I agree.
However it definitely came over as the classic response well described as whataboutery and following the lefties hating Jews remark sounded racist and angry. I can see from your comments above it wasn't the former and I can understand and sympathise with the latter.0 -
Joking aside. I think he is having a genuine nervous breakdown.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897899971688706052
No holding back after an evening in Greece.0 -
he's probably been following PB Brexit threadsfoxinsoxuk said:
Joking aside. I think he is having a genuine nervous breakdown.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897899971688706052
No holding back after an evening in Greece.0 -
It is an increasingly divided society, with dangerous trends and loads of guns.Alanbrooke said:
oh dear we're wheeling the old chestnuts out tonightfoxinsoxuk said:
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...Alanbrooke said:
poor excuseTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
as sober as an imam TSETheScreamingEagles said:
That's not what I said.Alanbrooke said:
And what ?TheScreamingEagles said:
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.Alanbrooke said:
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of PakistanTheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.Alanbrooke said:
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.Toms said:Trump is a jerk, or worse. But to say
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/8889043223266385920 -
Interesting article - thanks.foxinsoxuk said:
They do cover the issue, and also this very interesting victims story:Essexit said:
Well the Guardian was hardly going to publish it.Nigelb said:
She made the tactical mistake of doing so in the Sun.Richard_Nabavi said:
She was showing dangerous signs of recognising reality. Obviously, that can't be tolerated in a Corbyn front-bencher.AndyJS said:Why on earth has Sarah Champion had to resign?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir
I will stop there, as I promised Mike not to discuss this topic again on PB.0 -
That's been my assumption. Even by recent standards of political behaviour, these tweets are deranged.foxinsoxuk said:
Joking aside. I think he is having a genuine nervous breakdown.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897899971688706052
No holding back after an evening in Greece.0 -
Mervyn King agrees with your point on training.Alanbrooke said:
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentalitynichomar said:
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?Alanbrooke said:
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cowsnichomar said:
To have a go at answering my own question.nichomar said:
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.Alanbrooke said:
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17nichomar said:Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash
This is only because they can bring in cheap labour. When that is severely curbed, then they will have to train and pay more.
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Are we still retwatting every utterance of some guy who appears to be trying to outdo trump when it comes to spreading tonnes of horseshit ?0
