Looking at the bigness of the cheeses on those two bodies, and in view of the implied slight to American manufacturing and its workers, not the cleverest move even if quite amusing at first sight.
He's had no real option but to disband them, given they were about to disband themselves in light of his recent remarks.
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....
When is the next general election?
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.
SNP abstain, presumably?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?
What polls? There hasn't been a Scotland-only VI poll since the GE.
"extremely poor choice of words" - specifically, saying "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls" when what she meant was "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
What are the terrorists going to do about it?
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"
Anticipated delay in Brexit talks due to lack of sufficient progress:
Sky sources have indicated that the challenge and timing of agreeing a new German government after federal elections at the end of September has meant a "more formal" engagement from Berlin than had been anticipated.
What a joke. Do they expect Merkel invite them for an informal chat to do a deal after the election?
Anticipated delay in Brexit talks due to lack of sufficient progress:
Sky sources have indicated that the challenge and timing of agreeing a new German government after federal elections at the end of September has meant a "more formal" engagement from Berlin than had been anticipated.
What a joke. Do they expect Merkel invite them for an informal chat to do a deal after the election?
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
What are the terrorists going to do about it?
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"
As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
What are the terrorists going to do about it?
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"
As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?
Its the home grown ones that are the problem, have air strikes solved any conflict in the ME?
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Never gonna give EU up will be the order of the day then.
Europe may hate tourists, but it loves their money.
Greece was very welcoming to us in June. Greeks we know reiterated that point and said how welcome Brits were. Germans were less welcome due to WW2 and the Banks.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Never gonna give EU up will be the order of the day then.
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
Christopher Cantley is furious that Trump "surrendered his daughter to a Jew." it makes him very angry "to see that bastard Kushner walking round with such a beautiful girl.". For good measure, he wants a President who is "more racist than Trump."
"extremely poor choice of words" - specifically, saying "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls" when what she meant was "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".
This development today is very disturbing. Sacked for speaking truth to the power inside the Labour party.
If the Lib Dems and Conservatives were not so dominated by political correctness they would be attacking the Labour party on this.
Ironically the longer T. May stays in the background the more her opponents start shooting themselves in their feet. Wonder when the next polls are due
I'm not sure standing on the deck of Britain's biggest ever warship criticising Trump counts as 'staying in the background':
Doesn't matter in a post truth world. Corbyn's statement will be retweeted by his adoring fans who will believe it. Job done.
I'm sure potential Islamic terrorists are quaking in their boots over our new £3bn pound boat i'm not over sure what problems in the future it will address. We hardly have enough ships to form a viable battle group to enable it to go into a war zone
What are the terrorists going to do about it?
Think "thank goodnes they spent thier money on that"
As it sits in the Med launching air strikes against them?
Which problems in the ME have been solved by air strikes? On a lighter note £3bn would have paid for 3,000,000 police man according to Diane Abbott!
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....
When is the next general election?
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.
SNP abstain, presumably?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
This gets ever funnier - why on earth is Vince or indeed any other LD of this or any other parish jumping on to this, the silliest of bandwagons.
I'll tell you what would be REALLY funny.
Chapman turns up with 10 Conservative MPs all of whom defect to his new Party.
Laugh, we'd have to have a heart of stone not to...
Even funnier if he turns up with 20 MP defectors from the Tories....
When is the next general election?
That's an interesting question - if Theresa May loses her majority, but doesn't want to call an election then does it require a 2/3rds majority to bring the Parliament to an end? She might stagger on until it becomes completely untenable for her to continue.
If TMay loses her majority then LAB could call a vote of no confidence on a simple Commons majority. If that was carried and not rescinded within 14 days then there is a general election.
SNP abstain, presumably?
DUP would vote with the Govt.
I'd be very surprised if such a motion would pass.
Presumably SNP would vote against the Tories.
The only ones who might under normal circumstances abstain are the Lib Dems but given the divisions over Europe I'd expect them to vote with Labour too. So there isn't much room for error here.
Do you think? Latest polls see the SNP losing up to 20 seats and becoming the third party, don't they?
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
I note, as well, that the counter protestors had a permit for their demonstration (two in fact) so that's another Nazis apologist talking point blown out of the water.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
Accepted, but you might consider checking with the other six million. I think I'm going to stay off this now. But suffice it to say that Jewish friendship and collaboration have been have been a wonderful part of my personal and professional life.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
Sadly true. Apart from Lebanon, UAE and Oman I'm not sure there's any Christian churches left in the whole Middle East region now.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Whataboutery at its finest.
Purest vintage.
Really
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
"extremely poor choice of words" - specifically, saying "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls" when what she meant was "British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
On topic, it is amusing, but if Ken Clarke can happily remain a Tory then I'm no expecting any defections to The Democrats.
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
neither does
both are stong protest votes that politics isnt delivering
the people who have been getting filthy rich a la peter mandelson have been put on notice
until politics reconnects with a major slice of the electorate this will continue, shutting down dissent has failed
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Whataboutery at its finest.
Purest vintage.
Really
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Whataboutery at its finest.
Purest vintage.
Really
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.
its meant to be unpleasant
the nonsensical singling out of events in the US just becasue people dont like Trump doesnt excuse the bigger crimes elsewhere, which those purporting to have a humanitarian concern studiously ignore
if the retort makes you feel uncomfortable at least your have the advantage of humanity in asking why, politicos on the board dont actually give a shit. Some lives are more equal than others it seems
Lib Dems inhouse website denies that Cable is supporting new party launch. But "I think that we need to be careful about rushing to judgement about what is going on. Something is clearly not right. " Caron Lindsay, LD editor.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
Must watch TV programme on tonight at 9pm on BBC4 about the history of Milton Keynes.
A highly successful development, although flawed.
In other news, during my run today I saw geotechnical bods starting work in a newly-harvested field ready for Cambourne West, the latest extension of my 'rural village'.
I look forward to seeing changes over the next few years,
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
The anecdote in his original post was very powerful. It stands on its own, without any of your unnecessary deflections.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentality
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?
Thankyou for the debate am off to bed as another day beckons and I've run out of fags and don't want to open another bottle. Let's see what tomorrow brings!
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
That's a good start, but it's going to be a very slow process involving lots of carrots and sticks.
Possibly some sort of national service for those who drop out, a serious look at the drugs issue (either Portugal or Singapore, not some silly wish washy middle way that only benefits the gangs), kids growing up with no fathers and with no-one around them working. I'd also bring back the Catholic adoption agencies that got shut down a few years ago, who placed babies with good homes.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
The anecdote in his original post was very powerful. It stands on its own, without any of your unnecessary deflections.
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentality
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
"The Brits partitioned my country, too, you know!"
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
"The Brits partitioned my country, too, you know!"
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Whataboutery at its finest.
Purest vintage.
Really
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
I don't think that is the point. Someone posted about a threat to Jews in a particular incident and your response was, what about Christians in Iraq (and that was after a jibe about lefties hating Jews).
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.
its meant to be unpleasant
the nonsensical singling out of events in the US just becasue people dont like Trump doesnt excuse the bigger crimes elsewhere, which those purporting to have a humanitarian concern studiously ignore
if the retort makes you feel uncomfortable at least your have the advantage of humanity in asking why, politicos on the board dont actually give a shit. Some lives are more equal than others it seems
It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable; I wasn't part of the original discussion. I also agree with the point you are making now. Sadly that is the way news is reported and discussed and we focus more on home incidents and then 1st world incidents and then 3rd world incidents, even those latter ones may involve 10s or 100s or 1000s more deaths for instance. Sad I agree.
However it definitely came over as the classic response well described as whataboutery and following the lefties hating Jews remark sounded racist and angry. I can see from your comments above it wasn't the former and I can understand and sympathise with the latter.
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
Am only paraphrasing what a Holocaust survivor said today.
can we have a post on what it's like being christian in Iraq or dont they count ?
Ironically it was great for them when Saddam was in power.
we could always celebrate 70 happy years of Pakistan
A country I know little about, I've spent more days of my life in France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, America, Spain, and a few other countries.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
And what ?
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
That's not what I said.
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
as sober as an imam TSE
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
I'm happy to discuss them once you're not engaging in whataboutery.
poor excuse
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
Correct. It is more like the Weimar Republic at present...
Unless we solve the problems facing people within the "WWC" we will continue to have this attraction of the ultra right. They believe thier problems are a direct result of imigration but that doesn't explain the under performance at school. I've no idea what the solution isbut the underlying problems would still be there without immigrants. Is it the schools, the lack of role models or what but it needs to be resolved.
err yes thats the key message on Brexit and GE17
but remainers think its all about bus painting
I don't see either providing a solution only a reaction to how life is percieved.
To have a go at answering my own question. Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
I can agree with all of that but for it to work we have to slaughter some sacred cows
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
Is the problem though that a lot of the group we are talking about have made themseves unemployable by thier attitude to education and the belief the world is against them?
there is some element of that, but I'd say the bigger issue is our managerial classes have pardoned themselves from the older duty of making society as a whole better off and have moved more to a fill yer boots mentality they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash
Mervyn King agrees with your point on training. This is only because they can bring in cheap labour. When that is severely curbed, then they will have to train and pay more.
Comments
https://twitter.com/vincecable/status/897867027683176450
Admittedly he had ample help while it is becoming brutally clear Chapman is a political party of one member, albeit a truly colossal member.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/dont-mean-ruin-your-holiday-but-europe-hates-tourists-with-good-reason-suzanne-moore
Sky sources have indicated that the challenge and timing of agreeing a new German government after federal elections at the end of September has meant a "more formal" engagement from Berlin than had been anticipated.
What a joke. Do they expect Merkel invite them for an informal chat to do a deal after the election?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/897883293043085312
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770073822961664
Plus, as I noted earlier, on the 9th of September, The Manchester Arena re-opens with truly great artists performing, such as Rick Astley, so that's going to be the dominant news story that day.
Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany.
https://twitter.com/Masters_JamesD/status/897736925968203776
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir
I will stop there, as I promised Mike not to discuss this topic again on PB.
If the Lib Dems and Conservatives were not so dominated by political correctness they would be attacking the Labour party on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/donald-trump-supporters-liberals-sneer
"Honestly, we should be focusing on the Nazi enabler in the White House, this is what it means to be Jewish in America in 2017, almost like being a Jew in 1930s Germany."
is, to my best belief & knowledge, (sorry) a mite hysterical.
You're the lefty, when you nearly let in Ed Miliband as Prime Minister in 2015.
I note, as well, that the counter protestors had a permit for their demonstration (two in fact) so that's another Nazis apologist talking point blown out of the water.
Purest vintage.
people there are actually being murdered, ethnically cleansed and communities destroyed
your shitting yourself about a statue because you dont like Trump
warped values
An awful prior post also.
but remainers think its all about bus painting
both are stong protest votes that politics isnt delivering
the people who have been getting filthy rich a la peter mandelson have been put on notice
until politics reconnects with a major slice of the electorate this will continue, shutting down dissent has failed
Can someone not highlight an unpleasant incident because you can identify a more horrific incident?
It came over as very unpleasant.
I think I've spent 20 days of my life in Pakistan, 15 of those when I was 2.
the nonsensical singling out of events in the US just becasue people dont like Trump doesnt excuse the bigger crimes elsewhere, which those purporting to have a humanitarian concern studiously ignore
if the retort makes you feel uncomfortable at least your have the advantage of humanity in asking why, politicos on the board dont actually give a shit. Some lives are more equal than others it seems
http://www.libdemvoice.org/no-vince-cable-will-not-be-launching-new-antibrexit-party-with-former-mail-political-editor-55080.html
But if they turn up at the event they will be associating themselves with the erratic Chapman. No one can be a little bit pregnant.
Must watch TV programme on tonight at 9pm on BBC4 about the history of Milton Keynes.
Is there not oppression there too, is it not studiously ignored why do western values only apply to politicians you dont like ?
Stop providing flats for single teenage mothers, further restrict benefits unless seriously looking for work, invest heavily in education in deprived areas, work seriously on the drug issue even if it means legalising some. Increase the number of post 16 technical training but what do I know in reality I have had a privaledged middle class upbringing and have no idea what life is like outside that environment.. I just know it's a problem ignored by all political parties
Clearly you're pissed and as a wise man once told me, never argue with a drunk or a pig.
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897885864675737600
I'm afarid I was pessimistic at the unemployment figures today since once again we are importing low cost labour instead of upskilling and pushing for the productivity that brings wealth
great news today for CEOs shit for the rest of us
if youre uncomfortable facing the issues then maybe you should ask why
"It will be an unwanted distraction for the embattled agency, which faces questions over its very future ahead of a hearing with the PRCA on Friday over its activities with a controversial South African client."
http://www.prweek.com/article/1442130/thedemocrats-extraordinary-rant-bell-pottinger-partner-james-chapman-grabs-headlines
I can see him getting released by BP.
whataboutery started with a daft post claiming the USA is the same as Nazi Germany
it isnt
In other news, during my run today I saw geotechnical bods starting work in a newly-harvested field ready for Cambourne West, the latest extension of my 'rural village'.
I look forward to seeing changes over the next few years,
No holding back after an evening in Greece.
they dont train, they dont onvest they dont do R&D they just squeeze cash
Carry On Loopy.
Possibly some sort of national service for those who drop out, a serious look at the drugs issue (either Portugal or Singapore, not some silly wish washy middle way that only benefits the gangs), kids growing up with no fathers and with no-one around them working. I'd also bring back the Catholic adoption agencies that got shut down a few years ago, who placed babies with good homes.
(only kidding, TSE!)
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co
It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable; I wasn't part of the original discussion. I also agree with the point you are making now. Sadly that is the way news is reported and discussed and we focus more on home incidents and then 1st world incidents and then 3rd world incidents, even those latter ones may involve 10s or 100s or 1000s more deaths for instance. Sad I agree.
However it definitely came over as the classic response well described as whataboutery and following the lefties hating Jews remark sounded racist and angry. I can see from your comments above it wasn't the former and I can understand and sympathise with the latter.
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/888904322326638592
This is only because they can bring in cheap labour. When that is severely curbed, then they will have to train and pay more.