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That is what a Cambridge education does to you.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.
Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts
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To be pedantic the apostrophe is correct. It is the s that follows it that is wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/892820109793918976
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Yeah, you can tell I'm in need of sleep.Recidivist said:
To be pedantic the apostrophe is correct. It is the s that follows it that is wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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Gove is apparently promising the Danes continued access to fish in British waters.
http://finans.dk/protected/erhverv/ECE9758061/britisk-minister-giver-danske-fiskere-nyt-haab-fortsat-adgang-til-britiske-farvande-efter-brexit/0 -
Stop knocking SeanT for going on and on about his 20 odd year old girl friend !!!isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts0 -
The people who were used to winning lost twice in quick succession and cant deal with it. So they conduct open group therapy on here. 2 mins hate, stream of consciousness outpourings, repetition, denial, intellectual snobbery, name calling, the whole shebangSeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.0 -
MarkSenior said:
Stop knocking SeanT for going on and on about his 20 odd year old girl friend !!!isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts
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What's wrong with it? Apostrophe s always follows the singular to denote possession. (The one exception is for names like Bridges or Hermes where that would generate an ugly double 'iz' sound at the end.)Recidivist said:
To be pedantic the apostrophe is correct. It is the s that follows it that is wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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Absolutely agreed. I think I visited about four times in the last month or so and each time I gave up because it's just boring. It's the same four or five people making the same four or five points over and over again.SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.0 -
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If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/8928201097939189760 -
Looks like the Russians aren't happy with Trump (though Mr Medvedev needs a lesson in the separation of powers)
https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/8928471152814858240 -
For me, at the moment, the pre-eminent source of comedy, shock, & horror is following Trump's latest gaffes. For horror especially he knocks SeanT into a hat.0
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Trumpton
Russian PM Dimitri Medvedev, in a manner that bears all the hallmarks of someone working in a defacto dictatorship, reckons Trump has shown 'total weakness' by having to bow to Congress' sanctions bill.
Privately Russia knows its little knock about game is about to be put to bed and internally it's been acknowledged for a few weeks. Whats worse, every action has has a reaction, so they can expect a particularly hard time when the dust kicked up by Trump clears. Their No.1 objective was sanctions relief, yet they still have the sanctions but with some added bite. Those sanctions hurt, not just the Russian economy but some very notable players in the kleptocratic Russian mafia state.
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.
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Good of you yawn inducers to crawl out of the woodwork to tell us how boring we are.SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.
Still, at least the the incidence of treason accusations has dropped recently.
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Not really a surrogate; just a useful idiot.Y0kel said:Trumpton
Russian PM Dimitri Medvedev, in a manner that bears all the hallmarks of someone working in a defacto dictatorship, reckons Trump has shown 'total weakness' by having to bow to Congress' sanctions bill.
Privately Russia knows its little knock about game is about to be put to bed and internally been acknowledged for a few weeks. Whats worse, every action has has a reaction, so they can expect a particularly hard time when the dust kicked up by Trump clears. Their No.1 objective was sanctions relief, yet they still have the sanctions but with some added bite. Those sanctions hurt, not just the Russian economy but some very notable players in the kleptocratic Russian mafia state.
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.
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Thanks, I'll do thatTheScreamingEagles said:
If you have Twitter you can ask people like @LadPolitics, @SharpeAngle @PPPolitics to price up your candidate.Fenman said:I want to place a bet for a particular potential candidate for the Democrat nominee for 2020. My candidate is not mentioned by any of the betting websites. How do I go about this?
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To me the interesting question is not so much what happens to Trump but what happens to Russia. Their big information war against the west has gone sour after the initial appearance of being a great success, sanctions are getting tougher, their military adventures are becoming costlier and oil prices remain fairly low. A dramatic implosion of the regime can't be ruled out.Y0kel said:Trumpton
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.0 -
He is a surrogate.Nigelb said:
Not really a surrogate; just a useful idiot.Y0kel said:Trumpton
Russian PM Dimitri Medvedev, in a manner that bears all the hallmarks of someone working in a defacto dictatorship, reckons Trump has shown 'total weakness' by having to bow to Congress' sanctions bill.
Privately Russia knows its little knock about game is about to be put to bed and internally been acknowledged for a few weeks. Whats worse, every action has has a reaction, so they can expect a particularly hard time when the dust kicked up by Trump clears. Their No.1 objective was sanctions relief, yet they still have the sanctions but with some added bite. Those sanctions hurt, not just the Russian economy but some very notable players in the kleptocratic Russian mafia state.
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.
Within days of his election, I was looking for markets on his survival in post, the rap sheet against him on many counts was that bad. Half of it still isn't out in public.0 -
I'm sure you're right - it's even just conceivable (though unlikelly, IMO) that he's compromised to the extent that he's a Russian asset, but that still doesn't make him a surrogate.Y0kel said:
He is a surrogate.Nigelb said:
Not really a surrogate; just a useful idiot.Y0kel said:Trumpton
Russian PM Dimitri Medvedev, in a manner that bears all the hallmarks of someone working in a defacto dictatorship, reckons Trump has shown 'total weakness' by having to bow to Congress' sanctions bill.
Privately Russia knows its little knock about game is about to be put to bed and internally been acknowledged for a few weeks. Whats worse, every action has has a reaction, so they can expect a particularly hard time when the dust kicked up by Trump clears. Their No.1 objective was sanctions relief, yet they still have the sanctions but with some added bite. Those sanctions hurt, not just the Russian economy but some very notable players in the kleptocratic Russian mafia state.
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.
Within days of his election, I was looking for markets on his survival in post, the rap sheet against him on many counts was that bad. Half of it still isn't out in public.
Patsy, seems most likely.
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But make sure you ask for several names, so that they don't know which one you think might be a hot tip.Fenman said:
Thanks, I'll do thatTheScreamingEagles said:
If you have Twitter you can ask people like @LadPolitics, @SharpeAngle @PPPolitics to price up your candidate.Fenman said:I want to place a bet for a particular potential candidate for the Democrat nominee for 2020. My candidate is not mentioned by any of the betting websites. How do I go about this?
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Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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No, because 'earn a salary of a bosses' would be ungrammatical.isam said:
Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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Any good bets coming up? Gernan federal's on Sep 24. (Incidentally, we missed the Indian presidential totally)isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts0 -
I meant the star headline not FF43's example. I thought they were talking about the wages of bosses not an the wage of an individual bossStark_Dawning said:
No, because 'earn a salary of a bosses' would be ungrammatical.isam said:
Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
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Of course I do!Cyclefree said:
You do realise that it's not a tax on bankers or their bonuses but on those for whom the transactions are carried out ie everyone who has a pension or savings or a shares ISA, don't you?Benpointer said:
Indeed, but oh my!... some investment bankers might have to struggle by on slightly reduced six-figure bonuses! The poor dears!surbiton said:
I hope so. Could pay for lots of Doctors and Nurses. And Police Officers.Benpointer said:
Don't worry we won't be far behind, I am sure it's on Jezza's list too!Sandpit said:
One hopeful positive from Brexit is that the EU go on to introduce their much-talked-about Financial Transaction Tax.Alice_Aforethought said:
At least one does. ESMA overseas financial regulation and is accountable to the EU Parliament. So it has power over the UK but is not located in the UK and is unaccountable to any UK body.OldKingCole said:
The ‘they’ is the staff, not the organisation as a whole. Would we be happy if one of our major regulatory boduies ‘lived’ in a different country?Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, how so? If they want to stay and we're happy for them to stay, what's the problem?
Bankers around the world (except for Paris and Frankfurt) are licking their lips at the idea.
But who are the people who benefit most from the constant churning of stocks for short-term gain? It's not the pension funds, whose holdings tend to be more long-term, to match their liabilities.0 -
He is over his head with the Russians, I said so before the election, but I have few doubts, there was plenty of clear understanding there.Nigelb said:
I'm sure you're right - it's even just conceivable (though unlikelly, IMO) that he's compromised to the extent that he's a Russian asset, but that still doesn't make him a surrogate.Y0kel said:
He is a surrogate.Nigelb said:
Not really a surrogate; just a useful idiot.Y0kel said:Trumpton
Russian PM Dimitri Medvedev, in a manner that bears all the hallmarks of someone working in a defacto dictatorship, reckons Trump has shown 'total weakness' by having to bow to Congress' sanctions bill.
Privately Russia knows its little knock about game is about to be put to bed and internally been acknowledged for a few weeks. Whats worse, every action has has a reaction, so they can expect a particularly hard time when the dust kicked up by Trump clears. Their No.1 objective was sanctions relief, yet they still have the sanctions but with some added bite. Those sanctions hurt, not just the Russian economy but some very notable players in the kleptocratic Russian mafia state.
Do they decide to hasten their surrogate's downfall or just let the people back in the USA get on with it?
We should know within a week or two.
Within days of his election, I was looking for markets on his survival in post, the rap sheet against him on many counts was that bad. Half of it still isn't out in public.
Patsy, seems most likely.
One possible vulnerability for Trump in his White House team is his love of generals. The military men represent something he admires and wishes he could be, but isn't and in a way he is slightly in awe of them. He gives then a long leash which could well be to his detriment.
The National Security Council for example is being purged of politicos, Trumps men, by McMaster and at some point he is liable to conflict with Trump. There have been rumours around McMaster's position for weeks now (Trump reportedly doesn't like him any more) but it might well come to a head soon enough.0 -
Football season? I don't really have any bets though. Maybe Aguero Man City top scorer at 11/10 & D Gayle Top Prem at 150/1 ew esp if Newcastle don't buy another strikerviewcode said:
Any good bets coming up? Gernan federal's on Sep 24. (Incidentally, we missed the Indian presidential totally)isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts0 -
Football bets: well I have backed Lincoln to win Div2 (at 11-1 a while ago) and Sheffield U to win the championship (at 25-1); I backed them last year to win Div 1. Chris Wilder is a genius (four promotions with four different clubs). I have also backed Arsenal for relegation at 1000-1; all that takes is a poor start to the season and a cash out for it to be a good bet). I also backed Rees Mogg at 25-1 (but not to win at football)0
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Yes, but they've got an 'a' in there so 'boss' can only be singular. If they're referring to multiple bosses then perhaps:isam said:
I meant the star headline not FF43's example. I thought they were talking about the wages of bosses not an the wage of an individual bossStark_Dawning said:
No, because 'earn a salary of a bosses' would be ungrammatical.isam said:
Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/892820109793918976
160 years to earn FTSE 100 bosses' salary
i.e. 160 years to earn the salary of FTSE 100 bosses
That might work. I think it will remain an ugly sentence though no matter how you hack it about.0 -
In the unlikely event of you wanting a serious conversation about this, let me put this in context. Right now I (and presumably you) have the right to live and work in 27 other countries, cast a vote in the European Parliament and the UK Parliament, and hold other rights as guaranteed by various human rights legislation. Post-Brexit that will collapse down to just one country and just one Parliament, and I assume my protection under rights legislation will diminish in due course. That's not an increase in my liberty, it's a diminution of it.Sandpit said:
Great quote.MP_SE2 said:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."Mortimer said:
Money more important than democracy is it?Dura_Ace said:
Poorer But Prouder is the war cry of the Leavebugs.MarkSenior said:
The problem is that you Brexit extremists would be happy if others suffer economic hardship and / or lose their jobs as a price of Brexit . Most of you are retired and have no jobs to lose anyway . Will be a different story when they themselves suffer economic hardship .geoffw said:Required reading.
My name is Brendan O’Neill and I am a Brexit extremist.. . .
Consider the mouths-agape response to new YouGov research published yesterday, showing that many Leave voters are willing to pay a high price for Brexit. Judging from the lingo being used – YouGov calls these people ‘extremists’ and much of the press has murmured in agreement – you’d be forgiven for thinking Leavers were plotting suicide attacks or a violent purge of parliament to get shot of Remainers and Soft Brexiteers. In truth, all they’ve said is that they’d be cool with going through some economic difficulty if it means their democratic cry for Britain to split from Brussels is realised.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/im-a-brexit-extremist-and-proud-of-it/
Samuel Adams
Also, to tie into the earlier conversation about encryption:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
Many arguments were proffered in favour of Leave: many I understood (downward pressure on wages, less housing, the lack of a European demos) and some I agreed with (sovereignity). But the argument that it would lead to an increase in my personal liberty is simply false.
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Arse. I know the square-root of fuck-all about football. (Well I know the eleven men and round ball and what shape the goal is, but after that it's a bit of a blur). What's "D Gayle Top Prem" mean? Is there a player called "D Gayle" and do you think he'll be Top Premiership scorer?isam said:
Football season? I don't really have any bets though. Maybe Aguero Man City top scorer at 11/10 & D Gayle Top Prem at 150/1 ew esp if Newcastle don't buy another strikerviewcode said:
Any good bets coming up? Gernan federal's on Sep 24. (Incidentally, we missed the Indian presidential totally)isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts0 -
Hmm got me confused anyway!Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, but they've got an 'a' in there so 'boss' can only be singular. If they're referring to multiple bosses then perhaps:isam said:
I meant the star headline not FF43's example. I thought they were talking about the wages of bosses not an the wage of an individual bossStark_Dawning said:
No, because 'earn a salary of a bosses' would be ungrammatical.isam said:
Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/892820109793918976
160 years to earn FTSE 100 bosses' salary
i.e. 160 years to earn the salary of FTSE 100 bosses
That might work. I think it will remain an ugly sentence though no matter how you hack it about.0 -
Ah I've Googled him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Gayleviewcode said:
Arse. I know the square-root of fuck-all about football. (Well I know the eleven men and round ball and what shape the goal is, but after that it's a bit of a blur). What's "D Gayle Top Prem" mean? Is there a player called "D Gayle" and do you think he'll be Top Premiership scorer?isam said:
Football season? I don't really have any bets though. Maybe Aguero Man City top scorer at 11/10 & D Gayle Top Prem at 150/1 ew esp if Newcastle don't buy another strikerviewcode said:
Any good bets coming up? Gernan federal's on Sep 24. (Incidentally, we missed the Indian presidential totally)isam said:Charles said:
Agreed - it's also the repetition of the same people making the same points about the same topics.TwistedFireStopper said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not the exact words, but they meant the same thing!SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck. Exactly.
It's like that mate who is obsessed with a girl and crowbars her into every topic of conversation. After a while he stops getting the "Who's up for a beer?" texts
150/1? May be worth a tenner for shits and giggles. I'll bear it in mind.0 -
"160 years to earn salary of a FTSE 100 boss" is just as good a headline and avoids awkward SS'SS's.isam said:
Hmm got me confused anyway!Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, but they've got an 'a' in there so 'boss' can only be singular. If they're referring to multiple bosses then perhaps:isam said:
I meant the star headline not FF43's example. I thought they were talking about the wages of bosses not an the wage of an individual bossStark_Dawning said:
No, because 'earn a salary of a bosses' would be ungrammatical.isam said:
Isn't it bosses' ?FF43 said:
If you speak it I think it needs the 'S to be meaningful, which would guide my punctuation. Of course you could rephrase it as " the salary of a FTSE 100 boss". Four S's (um) in succession looks odd.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm overtired and in need of sleep, but is this a horrible misuse of an apostrophe?
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/892820109793918976
160 years to earn FTSE 100 bosses' salary
i.e. 160 years to earn the salary of FTSE 100 bosses
That might work. I think it will remain an ugly sentence though no matter how you hack it about.0 -
Splendid that PBers are discussing the ss's rather than the injustice of the fatcat salary. Goodnight all!0
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LCFC for relagation at 12/1 is value, as is 40/1 on rock bottom.franklyn said:Football bets: well I have backed Lincoln to win Div2 (at 11-1 a while ago) and Sheffield U to win the championship (at 25-1); I backed them last year to win Div 1. Chris Wilder is a genius (four promotions with four different clubs). I have also backed Arsenal for relegation at 1000-1; all that takes is a poor start to the season and a cash out for it to be a good bet). I also backed Rees Mogg at 25-1 (but not to win at football)
I also fancy Burnley at +44 in the handicap, and Hudersfield at +46. both are good teams.
Leicester look very poor, and were briefly in the relegation zone last season, but pulled out after Ranieri was sacked. Last years signings were poor, and I think this year looks disappointing too, with more talent going out than coming in.
The preseason performances were pisspoor all round, with very little creative play and too often an isolated striker getting no service. The players look unhappy, and our backline is ageing (Harry Maguire is the exception amongst new signings). Shakespeare seems a poor tactician and unable to break down other teams. Our owners are not quick to sack, and the opening fixtures horrible. 4/9 for Asenal to win on the 11th is free money.0 -
Random sports bet in boxing is Willie Monroe Junior to beat Billy Joe Saunders on 16th September. Best priced 12/5, I'd give him an evens chance.0
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As Arthur Scargill said, 'My father still reads the dictionary every day. He says your life depends on your power to master words.'SandyRentool said:Splendid that PBers are discussing the ss's rather than the injustice of the fatcat salary. Goodnight all!
You got to have the grammar. Only then can the revolution follow!0 -
Sandpit said:
According to your source spending has been cut from 48% of GDP in 2010 to 42.1% in 2016. I believe UKPublicSpending is a more reliable source, which shows spending at 44.0% GDP in 2010 reducing to 40.4% in 2016.Benpointer said:
The regulatory regime and property rights also have an impact, but a lot of City business is very price sensitive.Sandpit said:
Is London's trading pre-eminence down to it being the cheapest? I hardly think so.Benpointer said:
More likely that everyone else laughs at the one centre that does introduce it, as all their business goes elsewhere.Sandpit said:
It will be dominos... once one major centre introduces it, everyone else will follow.Benpointer said:Sandpit said:
One hopeful positive from Brexit is that the EU go on to introduce their much-talked-about Financial Transaction Tax.Alice_Aforethought said:
At least one does. ESMA overseas financial regulation and is accountable to the EU Parliament. So it has power over the UK but is not located in the UK and is unaccountable to any UK body.OldKingCole said:
The ‘they’ is the staff, not the organisation as a whole. Would we be happy if one of our major regulatory boduies ‘lived’ in a different country?Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, how so? If they want to stay and we're happy for them to stay, what's the problem?
Bankers around the world (except for Paris and Frankfurt) are licking their lips at the idea.
Do you think the fiercely independent USA, or small city states like SIN and DXB are going to go along with it?
Taxes have to rise - since the tories attempts to reduce the deficit by cutting spending have been a lamentable failure - and the rise has to come from somewhere. A suitably modest level FTT can contribute to that.
But what spending cuts? UK Government spending has risen almost every quarter for the last decade.
https://east.aws.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-spending
Ironically, the biggest threat to the City's revenues would be a Corbyn government - HSBC would probably announce their relocation within a week of him becoming PM.
Regarding HSBC's mooted departure: I have two thoughts... First, didn't we hear pretty much the same from a number of global companies before the Brexit vote? Secondly, are we then going to allow a big bank to dictate that we cannot have a progressive government in this country if the people so choose?0 -
+1 And much more succinct than I managed!Jonathan said:
Throttles short term speculation.Sean_F said:
The Tories have both raised taxes and curbed spending, and the deficit has fallen from 11% of GDP to 2.8%. That is a considerable success.Benpointer said:
Is London's trading pre-eminence down to it being the cheapest? I hardly think so.Sandpit said:
More likely that everyone else laughs at the one centre that does introduce it, as all their business goes elsewhere.Benpointer said:
It will be dominos... once one major centre introduces it, everyone else will follow.Sandpit said:
Just because they want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, doesn't mean we should kill our goose too.Benpointer said:
Don't worry we won't be far behind, I am sure it's on Jezza's list too!Sandpit said:
One hopeful positive from Brexit is that the EU go on to introduce their much-talked-about Financial Transaction Tax.Alice_Aforethought said:
At least one does. ESMA overseas financial regulation and is accountable to the EU Parliament. So it has power over the UK but is not located in the UK and is unaccountable to any UK body.OldKingCole said:
The ‘they’ is the staff, not the organisation as a whole. Would we be happy if one of our major regulatory boduies ‘lived’ in a different country?Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, how so? If they want to stay and we're happy for them to stay, what's the problem?
Bankers around the world (except for Paris and Frankfurt) are licking their lips at the idea.
There will be no FTT in (from East to West) London, Johannesburg, Geneva, Moscow, Dubai, Mumbai, Singapore, HK, Beijing, Tokyo, Sydney, NY etc etc - unless somehow the whole world can agree to it without exception.
Jezza is financially illiterate, his support for turning Britain into the new Venezuela will cnontinue to boost election turnout against him for as long as he remains in office.
Do you think the fiercely independent USA, or small city states like SIN and DXB are going to go along with it?
Taxes have to rise - since the tories attempts to reduce the deficit by cutting spending have been a lamentable failure - and the rise has to come from somewhere. A suitably modest level FTT can contribute to that.
The FTT is like Stamp Duty, in that it's a tax on transactions. It doesn't hurt bankers any more than Stamp Duty hurts estate agents.0 -
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Good of you yawn inducers to crawl out of the woodwork to tell us how boring we are.SeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.
Still, at least the the incidence of treason accusations has dropped recently.
Indeed. Maybe SeanT could take a look from time to time to see if we are managing any improvement, and maybe give us a few hints and tips?0 -
Some lucky sods have only lost twice in quick succesion? I'm on a run of four pal (five if you go back to 2010) - 2010 GE, 2015 GE, Brexit, POTUS, 2017 GE... But the tide is on the turn nowisam said:
The people who were used to winning lost twice in quick succession and cant deal with it. So they conduct open group therapy on here. 2 mins hate, stream of consciousness outpourings, repetition, denial, intellectual snobbery, name calling, the whole shebangSeanT said:This has become the dullest website. Sorry. I used to love the badinage, and I relished the cut n thrust. But something has happened. For me at least (and this is an entirely personal opinion)
Too much politics - Brexit and Sindy and Corbyn and Trump - has maybe killed it. For now.
I hope vivacity returns. Good luck.
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The earlier conversation was about the government's suggestion that data encryption is bad, because terrorists. Amber Rudd wrote a really stupid and ill-informed article in the Telegraph yesterday about her ambition to have technology firms allow MI6 and GCHQ access to everyone's messages because there's some bad people around. In that context the quote from Franklin is quite appropriate, as it is for things like post-9/11 airport security. We shouldn't want to live in a police state and should oppose these illiberal measures when governments suggest them. I also said it's a great subject for the Lib Dems to attract support from libertarian Conservatives (like me) if only they can stop for a minute banging on about how wonderful the EU is.viewcode said:
In the unlikely event of you wanting a serious conversation about this, let me put this in context. Right now I (and presumably you) have the right to live and work in 27 other countries, cast a vote in the European Parliament and the UK Parliament, and hold other rights as guaranteed by various human rights legislation. Post-Brexit that will collapse down to just one country and just one Parliament, and I assume my protection under rights legislation will diminish in due course. That's not an increase in my liberty, it's a diminution of it.Sandpit said:
Great quote.MP_SE2 said:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."Mortimer said:
Money more important than democracy is it?Dura_Ace said:
Poorer But Prouder is the war cry of the Leavebugs.MarkSenior said:
.geoffw said:
Samuel Adams
Also, to tie into the earlier conversation about encryption:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
Many arguments were proffered in favour of Leave: many I understood (downward pressure on wages, less housing, the lack of a European demos) and some I agreed with (sovereignity). But the argument that it would lead to an increase in my personal liberty is simply false.
It's not related to 'rights' as EU 'citizens', although I currently live in a non-EU country. The biggest 'right' I don't currently have is the right to move to my country of birth and citizenship with my wife. Ironically if I was a non-UK EU citizen I would have that 'right'.0 -
That may be true of the 30s but in the 40s Britain was effectively (and necessarily) pretty much a massive state machine with virtually zero room for, or tolerance of, individuality. Conscription, rationing, land requisitions, war ags, and a miriad of other wartime Defence Regulations saw to that.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would agree with most of this with the exception of the 'individualistic' attack. Britain in the 1930s and 40s was far less socialised and far less state controlled than Britain today. The problem is not too much individualism but too little with vast swathes of the population believing they are owed a particular standard of living and a particular safety net by the Government rather than being willing to look after themselves. It is the loss of individualism and the increasing statism of the country that has bred generations incapable of independent thought and action and it is for that reason that we would struggle to repeat the herism of Dunkirk or indeed of much of the rest of the war. The idea of self sacrifice has, with noble and notable exceptions, largely been lost amongst a very large proportion of our population.Sandpit said:
A good write up along the same lines:Allan said:
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-todays-cosseted-britain-struggle-repeat-dunkirk/
On the first day, 7,669 men were evacuated, but by the end of the eighth day, the extraordinary number of 338,226 soldiers had been successfully brought back across the English Channel while under attack on all sides in a hastily assembled fleet of over 800 boats.
Imagine us achieving that level of organisation and cooperation now in our individualistic, comfort zone and entitled world.
In the week between, thousands of men, terrifyingly exposed to Luftwaffe strafing of them on the beaches, or waiting for hours shoulder deep in cold sea, laden with gear, or rescued only later to drown trapped in the hold of their torpedoed ship, were not so lucky.
Of the 933 ships took part in Operation Dynamo, 236 were lost and 61 put out of action. Six British and three French destroyers were sunk, along with nine other major vessels. In addition, 19 destroyers were damaged.
Yet there was no national collapse. No candlelit vigils. The country got on with regrouping.
I wonder whether today's more individualistic society (imo) would accept similar restrictions?0 -
The reason Britain did so well in WW2 was that we learned the lessons of WW1 in terms of total war.Benpointer said:
That may be true of the 30s but in the 40s Britain was effectively (and necessarily) pretty much a massive state machine with virtually zero room for, or tolerance of, individuality. Conscription, rationing, land requisitions, war ags, and a miriad of other wartime Defence Regulations saw to that.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would agree with most of this with the exception of the 'individualistic' attack. Britain in the 1930s and 40s was far less socialised and far less state controlled than Britain today. The problem is not too much individualism but too little with vast swathes of the population believing they are owed a particular standard of living and a particular safety net by the Government rather than being willing to look after themselves. It is the loss of individualism and the increasing statism of the country that has bred generations incapable of independent thought and action and it is for that reason that we would struggle to repeat the herism of Dunkirk or indeed of much of the rest of the war. The idea of self sacrifice has, with noble and notable exceptions, largely been lost amongst a very large proportion of our population.Sandpit said:
I wonder whether today's more individualistic society (imo) would accept similar restrictions?
Planning for mass bombing casualties led to the effective nationalisation of London hospitals in 1938*, which rapidly spread nationwide. Similarly conscription was designed not to impact on industrial production, as had happened with the volunteers in 1915 leading to industrial under production. Conscripts were sent to the coal mines, industry was dispersed and even women were conscripted. Rationing began from the outset, and evacuees were billeted on rural families (no CRB's then!).
The British went onto a total war economy from the start, but Germany didn't until 1942. Far from our victory being due to individual pluck, it was due to total mobilisation of the national resouces under a central command economy. Voters in 1945 voted for this to continue as a welfare state, having seen it in action for the previous 5 years. It should surprise no one that the Welfare state was born at that moment.
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Ah, I see.Sandpit said:The earlier conversation was about the government's suggestion that data encryption is bad, because terrorists. Amber Rudd wrote a really stupid and ill-informed article in the Telegraph yesterday about her ambition to have technology firms allow MI6 and GCHQ access to everyone's messages because there's some bad people around. In that context the quote from Franklin is quite appropriate, as it is for things like post-9/11 airport security. We shouldn't want to live in a police state and should oppose these illiberal measures when governments suggest them. I also said it's a great subject for the Lib Dems to attract support from libertarian Conservatives (like me) if only they can stop for a minute banging on about how wonderful the EU is.
It's not related to 'rights' as EU 'citizens', although I currently live in a non-EU country. The biggest 'right' I don't currently have is the right to move to my country of birth and citizenship with my wife. Ironically if I was a non-UK EU citizen I would have that 'right'.
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May I ask who you fancy for Div 1 this season ?franklyn said:Football bets: well I have backed Lincoln to win Div2 (at 11-1 a while ago) and Sheffield U to win the championship (at 25-1); I backed them last year to win Div 1. Chris Wilder is a genius (four promotions with four different clubs). I have also backed Arsenal for relegation at 1000-1; all that takes is a poor start to the season and a cash out for it to be a good bet). I also backed Rees Mogg at 25-1 (but not to win at football)
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