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Four council by-elections today: two Labour defences, one Conservative and one Lib Dem. @AndrewTeale's previews: https://t.co/sB47GgLt27 pic.twitter.com/oJECfONqkD

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    first?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who will be second though Ave It? :D
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I won! (Like Jeremy Corbyn...)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    First will be the British En Marche, led by George Osborne.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,415
    edited June 2017
    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Because politicians cling to power the way mere mortals cling to life?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    nunuone said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nunu said:

    Jonathan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Has anyone else read the Deloitte article on the UK labour market post Brexit.

    They surveyed 1,200 EU and non-EU nationals living in the UK and asked them if Brexit would make any difference to their willingness to stay in the UK.

    The bit that was most concerning was that Brexit appeared to be discouraging exactly those people we wish to stay, with 47% of highly skilled workers from other EU countries now expecting to leave in the next five years. A far smaller proportion of low skilled workers planned on leaving.

    My guess - and this is just a guess - that perceptions matter. The UK is seen as a less attractive place to emigrate to, and therefore our immigration levels will continue the fall seen from the middle of last year.

    Last week's data showing a 96% fall in nursing registration applications from the EU, indicates that not only are skilled workers thinking of leaving but they're being put off coming as well.
    I've forecast that net migration would go negative by the end of 2020 many times.

    I remain confident in that forecast.

    (Note: falling population, plus massive quantity of new homes built = lower prices.)
    They'll be talking about the brain drain soon enough.
    net migration won't go negative, no chance.
    No chance? So, offering me 1,000-1 odds would be like free money for you.

    How much free money would you like to make by offering me a bet?
    OK maybe "no chance" is overstating it........

    ........like a 95% chance. I think the third world won't be able to grow fast enough to create jobs for an ever increasing population. Pakistan for example needs 6% growth just to keep the unemployment rate the same. This will lead to both economic migration and migration from conflict. They will be desperate to come here. What's more the Tory party is the party for big business, they will do whatever it takes to keep their donors happy, which includes high migration.


    I could see migration rules being relaxed from Commonwealth countries like India to get into their good books for possible trade MoU's.
    What is your source for Pakistan needing 6% growth to keep unemployment flat? (Also, I'm not convinced that people voted to go from importing Polish plumbers to their Pakistani equivalents.)

    Ultimately, though, India and Pakistan are simply not that enamored with the whole idea of free trade. Canada is keen on free trade. So is South Korea. The Mexicans are getting keener now, as is Mercosur. But India and Pakistan, really, not so much.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Scott_P said:

    I won! (Like Jeremy Corbyn...)

    You're a dead cert for next time though!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    edited June 2017
    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    Hahahaha - even GO's Britain On the Move (Britain Working ?!) is more likely than that!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,074
    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sight
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Benpointer said:

    You're a dead cert for next time though!

    Soon as I sack some of my team...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?
    Yes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sight
    Dream on!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?
    Yes.
    Thanks
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Nah, we will see the Glastonbury headliner well clear.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,061
    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?

    https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Funnily enough, a poll like that would've been seen as a disaster for the Cons just 2 months ago :D
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.

    I used to live just the other side of the A12 from that ward and I can assure you that the ward itself is most certainly not beautiful. It does contain Lloyd Park, and WM's former house, now a museum of his life and work, so I suppose it is useful.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    isam said:

    Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?

    https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ

    Wow! He has his tie actually on properly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited June 2017
    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Labour no more likely to split over Brexit than the Tories imo. Both could happen of course but I am not sure the Remain elements of Con and Lab have enough in common to form a new party.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,516
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sight
    It's fairly obvious that most Corbyn supporters were projecting their views onto Jezza, he remains the same stubborn old fool.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?

    https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ

    Wow! He has his tie actually on properly.
    Mum must have done it for him.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    glw said:

    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sight
    It's fairly obvious that most Corbyn supporters were projecting their views onto Jezza, he remains the same stubborn old fool.
    This...I have seen loads of it on Facebook with people saying he is pro x or y when he definitely is not.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    rpjs said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.

    I used to live just the other side of the A12 from that ward and I can assure you that the ward itself is most certainly not beautiful. It does contain Lloyd Park, and WM's former house, now a museum of his life and work, so I suppose it is useful.
    It doesn't have to be beautiful, you've only got to believe it to be so... anything can pass that test with someone.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Benpointer said:

    FF43 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?

    Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.
    Hahahaha - even GO's Britain On the Move (Britain Working ?!) is more likely than that!
    Remainers, who make up two thirds of Labour voters will partly abstain or shift to the Lib Dems. That benefits the Conservatives.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,061
    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.

  • glwglw Posts: 10,516
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    This...I have seen loads of it on Facebook with people saying he is pro x or y when he definitely is not.

    I don't do Facebook, but yeah most of what I've read about Corbyn from his new found fans is utter bollocks.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Listen to this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    edited June 2017
    OllyT said:

    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.

    Virtually everyone (even avid Remainers like myself) thinks Brexit inevitable, so Corbyn's line on Brexit is not a significant factor... public services and intergenerational inequality much more important.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,516
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    My favourite, but I think they could have called it a day after OK Computer, that would have been great.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Listen to this
    youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc

    It's a bit whiny and doesn't half go ;-)
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Listen to this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc

    I think that listening to Radiohead makes you a better person...they are quite simply the most mesmeric, eclectically brilliant popular musicians of my lifetime....

    I commented to you Glasto night that Yorke's rendition of No Surprises was flat...I have now re-watchjed that stunningly brilliant show twice again and think that Yorke did that deliberately...

    BTW....this record is sublime and beautiful....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Radiohead are ok. With the benefit of hindsight, they were better than average.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited June 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    I bloody hope he isn't still as popular 20 years after his greatest hit as radiohead are.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Radiohead are ok. With the benefit of hindsight, they were better than average.

    Karma Police on Letterman is beautiful
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.
    The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Control it
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    I think the problem is the lack of integration (which is a two-way street).
  • RadioheadRadiohead Posts: 17
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Preach!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Ugh, what a muppet Simon Kelner is

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/880536886426484737
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Those are quite interesting suggestions.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    Radiohead said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Preach!!!
    I hope this isn't a start of a trend of novelty accounts. Or is that rcs1000 in disguise? :D:p
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track

    No. No they can't.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    edited June 2017
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    isam said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Control it
    Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.

    No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.

    UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    Radiohead said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Preach!!!
    You mean the warm-up group for Jeremy Corbyn?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sean_F said:

    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.
    The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.
    But, such people ought to have got the hint that the Conservatives weren't exactly fond of the EU. Maybe they thought it was just posturing, and suddenly realised that it wasn't.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    OllyT said:

    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.
    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Anecdotal, but I think that has already started.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.

    I think CON will be 5% clear!
    Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?
    Yes, they do.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Control it
    Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.

    No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.

    UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.
    Your point being?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Sean_F said:

    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.
    The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.
    But, such people ought to have got the hint that the Conservatives weren't exactly fond of the EU. Maybe they thought it was just posturing, and suddenly realised that it wasn't.
    They understood how obsessed many Conservatives were on the subject. They trusted David Cameron. They don't trust the current motley crew. It's hard to imagine how any Conservative now could win back their trust to act rationally.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ugh, what a muppet Simon Kelner is

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/880536886426484737

    Think he meant to write 'enablers of humanity' but his iPhone predictive text caught him out?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    An interesting contrast with May's 'citizens of nowhere' divisiveness. I like the phrase 'asymmetric demobilisation' to describe Merkel's strategy.

    https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/880503796341907459
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Listen to this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc

    Music to eat Hawaiian Pizza by...
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    edited June 2017
    tyson said:

    isam said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Control it
    Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.

    No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.

    UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.
    Having lots of different religions that don't integrate with each other arrive in a country too quickly is a recipe for disaster. If they happen to be of a different race it seems to make things more difficult. I am not saying, and have never said, that white Christianity is any better or worse than non white religion, just pointing out that when too many of each side are too close, too soon... KABOOM!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    Not hate - pity them.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
    I'm seeing Hooky in Florence next week....he's doing the entire Substance (New Order and Joy Division) albums...a 3 hour feast.

    I love New Order....but Radiohead are mesmerising and brilliant and inventive and innovative and quite simply one of the best bands the world has ever seen...the Beachboys, the Beatles and Radiohead....and then you have the rest.....
  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    Benpointer said:

    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    Not hate - pity them.
    I am sure the feeling is mutual
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    Control it
    Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.

    No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.

    UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.
    Your point being?
    ... well made by your response, I would guess!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    NickPalmer said:

    Radiohead said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.

    Preach!!!
    You mean the warm-up group for Jeremy Corbyn?
    Naughty

  • isamisam Posts: 42,627
    foxinsoxuk said:

    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.
    Probably a difference between religious apathy amongst citizens and a new firmly held religion by newcomers
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.

    Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    tyson said:

    I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.

    Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....

    Just wait until he starts using emojis. :smiley:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    RobD said:

    tyson said:

    I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.

    Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....

    Just wait until he starts using emojis. :smiley:
    @RobD - I wish I could work out how to! Any hints gratefully received

    @tyson - you're too kind sir! Enjoy the music :-)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    RobD said:

    tyson said:

    I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.

    Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....

    Just wait until he starts using emojis. :smiley:
    Happens to the best of us.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    isam said:

    Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?

    https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ

    So after the euro crisis Jeremy changed his mind and campaigned for REMAIN??!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/880538686349246465
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    foxinsoxuk said:

    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.
    Really? Do you have a link please.

    Although I remember a survey that said Americans would rather vote for Muslims and almost any other ideology than vote for an atheist! America intrigues.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
    I'm seeing Hooky in Florence next week....he's doing the entire Substance (New Order and Joy Division) albums...a 3 hour feast.

    I love New Order....but Radiohead are mesmerising and brilliant and inventive and innovative and quite simply one of the best bands the world has ever seen...the Beachboys, the Beatles and Radiohead....and then you have the rest.....
    Queen are truly dreadful, with the obvious exception of Bohemian Rhapsody and a nod to Seven Seas of Rye the rest is utter dross. Radio Gaga, Fat Bottomed Girls, total rubbish.

    Radiohead are classic music for the modern ages, in the same way Pink Floyd were and perhaps Elbow are too.

    I do like the Smiths though, never been a great Bestles fan, (ironic that their best song was not written by Lennon & McCartney). Beach Boys are genius, same as Van Morrison and Dylan, best live act ever is Springsteen.

    All in my humble opinion of course.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    nunuone said:

    isam said:

    Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?

    https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ

    So after the euro crisis Jeremy changed his mind and campaigned for REMAIN??!!
    The pull of partisan politics is strong all over.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iankatz1000: .@nicholaswatt says many Labour remainers furious with @ChukaUmunna for tabling "vanity amendment" to Queen's Speech #Newsnight
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2017
    OllyT said:

    Danny565 said:

    OllyT said:

    Benpointer said:

    Ave_it said:

    Third!

    Like LAB in #GE2022

    Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?

    And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
    Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.

    As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.

    Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.
    I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.

    Correlation does not equal causation. The characteristics of a lot of Remain voters (younger, more urban, more educated, etc.) are also the characteristics that increasingly make up the voter bases of centre-left parties all over the world, including places where the EU isn't an issue (most obviously the US).

    Please feel free to find me one person who did a lot of canvassing for Labour this election who said Brexit was one of the main factors for pushing voters towards them, except for perhaps in a few London seats. As I said earlier, in my seat [which according to the Chris Hanretty estimates was more Remain than most of northern England], very few people said they were voting Labour on the basis of stopping or 'softening' Brexit, and just one person that I can remember even used the term "Single Market" at all.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/880544177217560577/photo/1
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/880545487291592704
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
    Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for me :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    nunuone said:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/880544177217560577/photo/1

    Given the heading above the the name of the paper is careful enough to include a question mark, I'm surprised the main headline does not have one.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    tyson said:

    I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.

    Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....

    Just wait until he starts using emojis. :smiley:
    Happens to the best of us.
    Got it! :smile:
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
    Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for me :)
    Queen, ugh!

    Anyone on here a Steely Dan fan?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    nigel4england said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tyson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?

    I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.

    Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.

    Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.

    I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
    New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.
    Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for me :)
    Queen, ugh!

    Anyone on here a Steely Dan fan?
    Yes.

    But I struggle to see how you can like SD and not like Queen.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    https://mobile.twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/880468954820562944
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    nunuone said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    isam said:

    Benpointer said:

    tyson said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/

    The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too high
    And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?
    +1

    And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
    All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate them
    They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.
    Really? Do you have a link please.

    Although I remember a survey that said Americans would rather vote for Muslims and almost any other ideology than vote for an atheist! America intrigues.
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/26/atheist-muslims-could-be-the-key-to-defeating-islamic-terror/
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    kle4 said:

    nunuone said:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/880544177217560577/photo/1

    Given the heading above the the name of the paper is careful enough to include a question mark, I'm surprised the main headline does not have one.
    It is very striking nonetheless. Will help them sell, was the calculation.
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