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Four council by-elections today: two Labour defences, one Conservative and one Lib Dem. @AndrewTeale's previews: https://t.co/sB47GgLt27 pic.twitter.com/oJECfONqkD
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I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.0
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Third!
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Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?0 -
I won! (Like Jeremy Corbyn...)0
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First will be the British En Marche, led by George Osborne.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?0 -
Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?0
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There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.0
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Because politicians cling to power the way mere mortals cling to life?Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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What is your source for Pakistan needing 6% growth to keep unemployment flat? (Also, I'm not convinced that people voted to go from importing Polish plumbers to their Pakistani equivalents.)nunuone said:
OK maybe "no chance" is overstating it........rcs1000 said:
No chance? So, offering me 1,000-1 odds would be like free money for you.nunu said:
net migration won't go negative, no chance.Jonathan said:
They'll be talking about the brain drain soon enough.rcs1000 said:
I've forecast that net migration would go negative by the end of 2020 many times.calum said:
Last week's data showing a 96% fall in nursing registration applications from the EU, indicates that not only are skilled workers thinking of leaving but they're being put off coming as well.rcs1000 said:Has anyone else read the Deloitte article on the UK labour market post Brexit.
They surveyed 1,200 EU and non-EU nationals living in the UK and asked them if Brexit would make any difference to their willingness to stay in the UK.
The bit that was most concerning was that Brexit appeared to be discouraging exactly those people we wish to stay, with 47% of highly skilled workers from other EU countries now expecting to leave in the next five years. A far smaller proportion of low skilled workers planned on leaving.
My guess - and this is just a guess - that perceptions matter. The UK is seen as a less attractive place to emigrate to, and therefore our immigration levels will continue the fall seen from the middle of last year.
I remain confident in that forecast.
(Note: falling population, plus massive quantity of new homes built = lower prices.)
How much free money would you like to make by offering me a bet?
........like a 95% chance. I think the third world won't be able to grow fast enough to create jobs for an ever increasing population. Pakistan for example needs 6% growth just to keep the unemployment rate the same. This will lead to both economic migration and migration from conflict. They will be desperate to come here. What's more the Tory party is the party for big business, they will do whatever it takes to keep their donors happy, which includes high migration.
I could see migration rules being relaxed from Commonwealth countries like India to get into their good books for possible trade MoU's.
Ultimately, though, India and Pakistan are simply not that enamored with the whole idea of free trade. Canada is keen on free trade. So is South Korea. The Mexicans are getting keener now, as is Mercosur. But India and Pakistan, really, not so much.0 -
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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You're a dead cert for next time though!Scott_P said:I won! (Like Jeremy Corbyn...)
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Hahahaha - even GO's Britain On the Move (Britain Working ?!) is more likely than that!FF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sightFF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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Soon as I sack some of my team...Benpointer said:You're a dead cert for next time though!
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Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?Ave_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Yes.Benpointer said:
Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?Ave_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Dream on!Roger said:
I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sightFF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
Yes.Benpointer said:
Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?Ave_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Nah, we will see the Glastonbury headliner well clear.Ave_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
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Funnily enough, a poll like that would've been seen as a disaster for the Cons just 2 months agoAve_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.0 -
I used to live just the other side of the A12 from that ward and I can assure you that the ward itself is most certainly not beautiful. It does contain Lloyd Park, and WM's former house, now a museum of his life and work, so I suppose it is useful.AlastairMeeks said:I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.
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Wow! He has his tie actually on properly.isam said:Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?
https://youtu.be/cZZcq25TTiQ0 -
Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
Labour no more likely to split over Brexit than the Tories imo. Both could happen of course but I am not sure the Remain elements of Con and Lab have enough in common to form a new party.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.0 -
It's fairly obvious that most Corbyn supporters were projecting their views onto Jezza, he remains the same stubborn old fool.Roger said:
I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sightFF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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Mum must have done it for him.rcs1000 said:
Wow! He has his tie actually on properly.isam said:Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?
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This...I have seen loads of it on Facebook with people saying he is pro x or y when he definitely is not.glw said:
It's fairly obvious that most Corbyn supporters were projecting their views onto Jezza, he remains the same stubborn old fool.Roger said:
I think you're right. Corbyn has exposed himself and I doubt his supporters will find it a pretty sightFF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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It doesn't have to be beautiful, you've only got to believe it to be so... anything can pass that test with someone.rpjs said:
I used to live just the other side of the A12 from that ward and I can assure you that the ward itself is most certainly not beautiful. It does contain Lloyd Park, and WM's former house, now a museum of his life and work, so I suppose it is useful.AlastairMeeks said:I hope the William Morris ward voters choose someone who they know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.
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Remainers, who make up two thirds of Labour voters will partly abstain or shift to the Lib Dems. That benefits the Conservatives.Benpointer said:
Hahahaha - even GO's Britain On the Move (Britain Working ?!) is more likely than that!FF43 said:
Ironically the Tories may win after tonight's vote.Stark_Dawning said:Seriously - the Tories should now engineer another election and get Jezza as PM. He's going to get exactly what he wants anyway - ultra-hard Brexit with Britain ignominiously dumped into WTO rules - so it may as well be him who's given responsibility for it. As it stands, Theresa, Boris and DD are being set up to look like charlatans or fools. Why suffer that humiliation?
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I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
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I don't do Facebook, but yeah most of what I've read about Corbyn from his new found fans is utter bollocks.FrancisUrquhart said:This...I have seen loads of it on Facebook with people saying he is pro x or y when he definitely is not.
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The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.
Listen to this
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Virtually everyone (even avid Remainers like myself) thinks Brexit inevitable, so Corbyn's line on Brexit is not a significant factor... public services and intergenerational inequality much more important.OllyT said:
I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
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It's a bit whiny and doesn't half go ;-)rcs1000 said:I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.
Listen to this
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I think that listening to Radiohead makes you a better person...they are quite simply the most mesmeric, eclectically brilliant popular musicians of my lifetime....rcs1000 said:I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.
Listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc
I commented to you Glasto night that Yorke's rendition of No Surprises was flat...I have now re-watchjed that stunningly brilliant show twice again and think that Yorke did that deliberately...
BTW....this record is sublime and beautiful....
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Radiohead are ok. With the benefit of hindsight, they were better than average.0
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The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.0 -
Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.0 -
I bloody hope he isn't still as popular 20 years after his greatest hit as radiohead are.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.0 -
Karma Police on Letterman is beautifulAlastairMeeks said:Radiohead are ok. With the benefit of hindsight, they were better than average.
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And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.Sean_F said:
The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.0 -
Control ittyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
I think the problem is the lack of integration (which is a two-way street).tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
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Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
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Those are quite interesting suggestions.tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/0 -
No. No they can't.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track
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New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.0 -
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And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.isam said:
Control ittyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.
UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.0 -
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
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But, such people ought to have got the hint that the Conservatives weren't exactly fond of the EU. Maybe they thought it was just posturing, and suddenly realised that it wasn't.AlastairMeeks said:
The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.Sean_F said:
The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
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Anecdotal, but I think that has already started.OllyT said:Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
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Yes, they do.Benpointer said:
Dumb question re phone polls - do they use landline and mobile numbers?Ave_it said:
I think CON will be 5% clear!TheScreamingEagles said:There's a Survation phone poll out tomorrow.
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Your point being?tyson said:
Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.isam said:
Control ittyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.
UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.0 -
They understood how obsessed many Conservatives were on the subject. They trusted David Cameron. They don't trust the current motley crew. It's hard to imagine how any Conservative now could win back their trust to act rationally.Sean_F said:
But, such people ought to have got the hint that the Conservatives weren't exactly fond of the EU. Maybe they thought it was just posturing, and suddenly realised that it wasn't.AlastairMeeks said:
The Conservatives have killed their reputation for rationality with non-zealots by aiming to be the party of Brexit. Labour's trimming on the subject of Brexit won't improve the Conservatives' reputation on that front.Sean_F said:
The converts, who switched from the Conservatives to Labour over the EU, will probably not switch back. I'm not sure why they thought the Conservatives were a pro-EU party previously, but people deceive themselves. Two days after the EU vote, I was at a gathering of very rich people in Arkley who were all ranting and raving about it. I thought they'd get over it, but they didn't, and Theresa Villiers' majority was slashed.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.0 -
Think he meant to write 'enablers of humanity' but his iPhone predictive text caught him out?TheScreamingEagles said:Ugh, what a muppet Simon Kelner is
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/8805368864264847370 -
An interesting contrast with May's 'citizens of nowhere' divisiveness. I like the phrase 'asymmetric demobilisation' to describe Merkel's strategy.
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/8805037963419074590 -
Music to eat Hawaiian Pizza by...rcs1000 said:I'm still struggling with the idea that anyone who loves music can hate Radiohead.
Listen to this
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Having lots of different religions that don't integrate with each other arrive in a country too quickly is a recipe for disaster. If they happen to be of a different race it seems to make things more difficult. I am not saying, and have never said, that white Christianity is any better or worse than non white religion, just pointing out that when too many of each side are too close, too soon... KABOOM!tyson said:
Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.isam said:
Control ittyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.
UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.0 -
Not hate - pity them.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
I'm seeing Hooky in Florence next week....he's doing the entire Substance (New Order and Joy Division) albums...a 3 hour feast.TheScreamingEagles said:
New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
I love New Order....but Radiohead are mesmerising and brilliant and inventive and innovative and quite simply one of the best bands the world has ever seen...the Beachboys, the Beatles and Radiohead....and then you have the rest.....
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I am sure the feeling is mutualBenpointer said:
Not hate - pity them.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
... well made by your response, I would guess!Sean_F said:
Your point being?tyson said:
Control migration is simply a smokescreen to stopping people of colour moving from poorer to richer countries.isam said:
Control ittyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
No-one gives a shit about tons of rich white folk living between countries.
UKIP attack the establishment elite. There is nothing more egalitarian than the poorest in the world trying to move to improve their lives.0 -
They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
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Probably a difference between religious apathy amongst citizens and a new firmly held religion by newcomersfoxinsoxuk said:
They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)0 -
I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.
Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....0 -
Just wait until he starts using emojis.tyson said:I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.
Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....
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@RobD - I wish I could work out how to! Any hints gratefully receivedRobD said:
Just wait until he starts using emojis.tyson said:I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.
Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....
@tyson - you're too kind sir! Enjoy the music :-)
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Happens to the best of us.RobD said:
Just wait until he starts using emojis.tyson said:I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.
Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead....0 -
So after the euro crisis Jeremy changed his mind and campaigned for REMAIN??!!isam said:Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?
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Really? Do you have a link please.foxinsoxuk said:
They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
Although I remember a survey that said Americans would rather vote for Muslims and almost any other ideology than vote for an atheist! America intrigues.0 -
Queen are truly dreadful, with the obvious exception of Bohemian Rhapsody and a nod to Seven Seas of Rye the rest is utter dross. Radio Gaga, Fat Bottomed Girls, total rubbish.tyson said:
I'm seeing Hooky in Florence next week....he's doing the entire Substance (New Order and Joy Division) albums...a 3 hour feast.TheScreamingEagles said:
New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
I love New Order....but Radiohead are mesmerising and brilliant and inventive and innovative and quite simply one of the best bands the world has ever seen...the Beachboys, the Beatles and Radiohead....and then you have the rest.....
Radiohead are classic music for the modern ages, in the same way Pink Floyd were and perhaps Elbow are too.
I do like the Smiths though, never been a great Bestles fan, (ironic that their best song was not written by Lennon & McCartney). Beach Boys are genius, same as Van Morrison and Dylan, best live act ever is Springsteen.
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The pull of partisan politics is strong all over.nunuone said:
So after the euro crisis Jeremy changed his mind and campaigned for REMAIN??!!isam said:Jeremy wants Hard Brexit - where were the signs?
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@iankatz1000: .@nicholaswatt says many Labour remainers furious with @ChukaUmunna for tabling "vanity amendment" to Queen's Speech #Newsnight0
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Correlation does not equal causation. The characteristics of a lot of Remain voters (younger, more urban, more educated, etc.) are also the characteristics that increasingly make up the voter bases of centre-left parties all over the world, including places where the EU isn't an issue (most obviously the US).OllyT said:
I thought it had been concluded that after controlling for other factors that Labour did better the more remain the seat. His voting demographic is certainly very pro-remain and he certainly soft-pedalled his views during the GE and pretended to be a remainer during the referendum - man of principle my arse. I've had it with him and I suspect I will not be the only one.Danny565 said:
Except only 6% of Labour voters considered Brexit their #1 issue, according to Survation.OllyT said:
Of all the Labour MPs we had to choose a leader that is one of the handful of anti-EU MPs and at such a critical time.Benpointer said:
Who's gonna come 2nd in 2022 then?Ave_it said:Third!
Like LAB in #GE2022
And who 1st, given the Tories will deffo be behind Labour :-)?
As it dawns on people how pro-Brexit he really is I think a split in the Labour party will become highly likely and he will lose many of the new votes he gained a couple of weeks ago.
Please feel free to find me one person who did a lot of canvassing for Labour this election who said Brexit was one of the main factors for pushing voters towards them, except for perhaps in a few London seats. As I said earlier, in my seat [which according to the Chris Hanretty estimates was more Remain than most of northern England], very few people said they were voting Labour on the basis of stopping or 'softening' Brexit, and just one person that I can remember even used the term "Single Market" at all.0 -
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Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for meTheScreamingEagles said:
New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
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Given the heading above the the name of the paper is careful enough to include a question mark, I'm surprised the main headline does not have one.nunuone said:0 -
Got it!kle4 said:
Happens to the best of us.RobD said:
Just wait until he starts using emojis.tyson said:I love @BenPointer....what a wonderful and compassionate addition to the pbCOM community.
Anyway, on that point of praise I am off for the night to listen to some more Radiohead.... 0 -
Queen, ugh!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for meTheScreamingEagles said:
New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
Anyone on here a Steely Dan fan?0 -
Yes.nigel4england said:
Queen, ugh!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Depeche Mode, Queen and New Order for meTheScreamingEagles said:
New Order, alongside Queen, and The Rolling Stones were the bands that made me fall in love with music.tyson said:
Everything they have done since OK Computer is elevated.TheScreamingEagles said:Honestly can anyone name a decent Radiohead track after Karma Police?
I feel like I need to do a Radiohead themed thread in the next fortnight.
Thom Yorke, the Jeremy Corbyn of the musical world.
I'm thankful I was too old for Radiohead....my youth was misspent with New Order, the Cure and the Smiths and the like. If Radiohead had been around then I would have become completely obsessed.
Anyone on here a Steely Dan fan?
But I struggle to see how you can like SD and not like Queen.0 -
http://nypost.com/2016/11/26/atheist-muslims-could-be-the-key-to-defeating-islamic-terror/nunuone said:
Really? Do you have a link please.foxinsoxuk said:
They are getting multiculturalism via the web, movies and TV. It is one of the major drivers of the Islamist backlash. A higher percentage of Saudis than Americans describe themselves as atheists, despite it being illegal in KSA.isam said:
All those backward Islamic republics that don't allow it.. pfft how you must hate themBenpointer said:
+1tyson said:
And seeing that migration is as natural to human beings as procreating, eating or sleeping you tell me Isam what the hell we are supposed to do about migration? Ban it? Only allow whites to migrate to where they want? Only allow people with money to move to where they want? Only allow Christians to migrate?isam said:
The price we pay for the multicultural experiment is too highFrancisUrquhart said:Driver arrested after trying to drive into crowd of people outside Paris mosque
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/car-drives-crowd-people-outside-french-mosque/
And in what sense is multiculturalism an 'experiment'? - it's just an inevitable consequence of technology allowing people to move and communicate across distances more easily/rapidly. No one said 'why don't we try this out and see if it works'. (And it's great and life-enriching btw)
Although I remember a survey that said Americans would rather vote for Muslims and almost any other ideology than vote for an atheist! America intrigues.0
