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The news tonight that ex-coalition cabinet minister, Ed Davey, is not planning to stand for the LD leadership means that that former Business Secretary Secretary looks set to take over from Tim Farron as LD leader.
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First, like Vince. For better or worse.
His unwritten promise is to stand down in a couple of years. Let's hope he sticks to it.0 -
Second like Balls?0
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All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.0
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Any views on the Betfair rules for the next LibDem leader?
The rules say "This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next permanent Liberal Democrat leader after Tim Farron, as chosen by a Liberal Democrat leadership contest."
If there is only one contender, is there a contest? Or is the contest the result of the request for nominations?
The reason I ask is that am sitting on a pile of winning on Vince but don't know whether I should attempt to lay it. And even if I am successful in laying it (or cash out) and go all green, will I lose the greenery if the bet is declared void?0 -
"From Strictly to Mr Bean!"Casino_Royale said:
All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.
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When Vince is confirmed at next leader you should win your betBarnesian said:Any views on the Betfair rules for the next LibDem leader?
The rules say "This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next permanent Liberal Democrat leader after Tim Farron, as chosen by a Liberal Democrat leadership contest."
If there is only one contender, is there a contest? Or is the contest the result of the request for nominations?
The reason I ask is that am sitting on a pile of winning on Vince but don't know whether I should attempt to lay it. And even if I am successful in laying it (or cash out) and go all green, will I lose the greenery if the bet is declared void?
Edit/ and, no, cashing out doesn't make you immune from a bet being voided. Cashing out simply balances out your back/lay position with new bets, which all remain live until the market is finally settled, or voided.0 -
There will be more ex-leaders of political parties than ex-members of Fairport Convention soon.0
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Actually his claim to fame was predicting the imminent economic bust whilst Gordon Brown was claiming to have abolished forever any future downturn in the economy.Casino_Royale said:All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.
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You should win your bet.Barnesian said:Any views on the Betfair rules for the next LibDem leader?
The rules say "This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next permanent Liberal Democrat leader after Tim Farron, as chosen by a Liberal Democrat leadership contest."
If there is only one contender, is there a contest? Or is the contest the result of the request for nominations?
The reason I ask is that am sitting on a pile of winning on Vince but don't know whether I should attempt to lay it. And even if I am successful in laying it (or cash out) and go all green, will I lose the greenery if the bet is declared void?
Is like when Brown succeeded Blair or when Sturgeon succeeded Salmond.
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Who knows where the slime goes?Recidivist said:There will be more ex-leaders of political parties than ex-members of Fairport Convention soon.
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If all of the Lib Dem MPs were standing for the leadership then Cable would be my 12th preference. What a mess... Though I suppose things could be worse... but only in a parallel world where Cable hadn't won back his seat and none of the elected MPs wanted the leadership...0
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FPT
How did you resist 'A period of Radiohead silence from you would be appreciated'?...
The pithier "a period of Radiohead silence would be appreciated" sounds better - in both senses...0 -
He probably never thought he'd even be an MP again three months ago, never mind Lib Dem leader. As the only Lib Dem with any sort of profile, he was the only choice really. Lamb and Davey would have really struggled for attention.0
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The nomination period is surely the first stage of a leadership contest.Barnesian said:Any views on the Betfair rules for the next LibDem leader?
The rules say "This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next permanent Liberal Democrat leader after Tim Farron, as chosen by a Liberal Democrat leadership contest."
If there is only one contender, is there a contest? Or is the contest the result of the request for nominations?
The reason I ask is that am sitting on a pile of winning on Vince but don't know whether I should attempt to lay it. And even if I am successful in laying it (or cash out) and go all green, will I lose the greenery if the bet is declared void?0 -
And the ten economic busts he's predicted since...IanB2 said:
Actually his claim to fame was predicting the imminent economic bust whilst Gordon Brown was claiming to have abolished forever any future downturn in the economy.Casino_Royale said:All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.
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Point of pedantry.
Sir Vince isn't a bona fide Strictly contestant.
He was merely on the Christmas show.0 -
A period of Radiohead silence would be appreciated by fans of music everywhere...Nigelb said:FPT
How did you resist 'A period of Radiohead silence from you would be appreciated'?...
The pithier "a period of Radiohead silence would be appreciated" sounds better - in both senses...0 -
Bring on Ed Balls!TheScreamingEagles said:Point of pedantry.
Sir Vince isn't a bona fide Strictly contestant.
He was merely on the Christmas show.0 -
The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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Thanks to OGH for his forensic dissection of the pitfalls and shortcomings of political party leaders being elevated to office without a contest......or something like that.....0
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Twice right is well above average for economic forecastingThreeQuidder said:
And the ten economic busts he's predicted since...IanB2 said:
Actually his claim to fame was predicting the imminent economic bust whilst Gordon Brown was claiming to have abolished forever any future downturn in the economy.Casino_Royale said:All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.
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Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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If the market is void you'll lose the green. I think if Vince gets the gig he'll be settled as a winner though.Barnesian said:Any views on the Betfair rules for the next LibDem leader?
The rules say "This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next permanent Liberal Democrat leader after Tim Farron, as chosen by a Liberal Democrat leadership contest."
If there is only one contender, is there a contest? Or is the contest the result of the request for nominations?
The reason I ask is that am sitting on a pile of winning on Vince but don't know whether I should attempt to lay it. And even if I am successful in laying it (or cash out) and go all green, will I lose the greenery if the bet is declared void?0 -
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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He has?MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/08/revealed-sir-vince-cable-urges-lib-dem-supporters-back-labour/0 -
No its standard fare for an economist to predict 10 of the last 2 recessions.IanB2 said:
Twice right is well above average for economic forecastingThreeQuidder said:
And the ten economic busts he's predicted since...IanB2 said:
Actually his claim to fame was predicting the imminent economic bust whilst Gordon Brown was claiming to have abolished forever any future downturn in the economy.Casino_Royale said:All because he told a half-funny joke about Gordon Brown about 10 years ago.
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Nevertheless is is true that if you arranged everyone along a spectrum from liberal to authoritatian, almost every Labour councillor past or present would be at the latter end of the line.MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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And Corbyn would be 73.
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And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?
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I don't think he would lead the Lib Dems into a coalition with any other party .Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?0 -
Bobajob_PB said:
Soubry is great value. I don't know why people keep apologising to @NickPalmer for liking her - I'm pretty sure he gets on well with her!The_Apocalypse said:Torby_Fennel said:
I agree 100%. She's great. She's my favourite MP of any party - and I say this as a Lib Dem member.The_Apocalypse said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night.
For me, the brief interview with her on the BBC results show was the most memorable moment of election night.
Actually, I may just well agree with you on that one thinking about it now - I can't recall agreeing with another MP more in the last several years. She was brilliant in that interview on election night. She was also great in an interview with Owen Jones (yes, I know, not everyone's favourite person, but still).
Here it is, for anyone that may be interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E7-aPBBCI
I wish Corbyn had half her bottle. We might not now be leaving. Incidentally I don't believe he and McDonnell will escape the fallout after Brexit unravels
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What does that even mean?IanB2 said:
Nevertheless is is true that if you arranged everyone along a spectrum from liberal to authoritatian, almost every Labour councillor past or present would be at the latter end of the line.MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
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Rogerdamus has spoken!Roger said:
We might not now be leaving.Bobajob_PB said:
Soubry is great value. I don't know why people keep apologising to @NickPalmer for liking her - I'm pretty sure he gets on well with her!The_Apocalypse said:Torby_Fennel said:
I agree 100%. She's great. She's my favourite MP of any party - and I say this as a Lib Dem member.The_Apocalypse said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night. For me, the brief interview with her on the BBC results show was the most memorable moment of election night.
Actually, I may just well agree with you on that one thinking about it now - I can't recall agreeing with another MP more in the last several years. She was brilliant in that interview on election night. She was also great in an interview with Owen Jones (yes, I know, not everyone's favourite person, but still).
Here it is, for anyone that may be interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E7-aPBBCI
Leavers sleep easy in their beds.....
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LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.0 -
Apart from Labour! And thus your observation of my comment being idiotic seems to be on unsafe ground.MarkSenior said:
I don't think he would lead the Lib Dems into a coalition with any other party .Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?
I don't mind you being rude, but I hope for your sake that you try to think things out a little more in the future before doing something like venturing our of your house.
Edit: Sorry that was very rude, and uncalled for. You annoyed me and I let it get the better of me. I apologise.0 -
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The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
But, in the end, he backed a Coalition with the Conservatives, and threw himself with gusto into some of the Coalition's flagship right-wing policies....RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
I meant as I am sure you know any and every other party including Labour and the Weak and wobbly shower .Omnium said:
Apart from Labour! And thus your observation of my comment being idiotic seems to be on unsafe ground.MarkSenior said:
I don't think he would lead the Lib Dems into a coalition with any other party .Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?
I don't mind you being rude, but I hope for your sake that you try to think things out a little more in the future before doing something like venturing our of your house.
Edit: Sorry that was very rude, and uncalled for. You annoyed me and I let it get the better of me. I apologise.0 -
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
Privatising the Royal Mail was a low point, one of the more shambolic projects of the Coalition regime. Unwanted by the public, then flogged off a billion quid too cheaply thus ripping off the taxpayer. That said, given that we now chuck about billions to rapid sectarian homophobes willy nilly, I guess that's small change compared to Toxic Tess and The Killer Clowns.Danny565 said:
But, in the end, he backed a Coalition with the Conservatives, and threw himself with gusto into some of the Coalition's flagship right-wing policies....RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
I don't think there is anything incorrect in that report, it was saying how things were moving towards the Conservatives, which is what happened in the end.MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
You think it's his age that is the big question about him? Interesting.0
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Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:0 -
I suspect it’s a case of once bitten as far as the Tories are concerned.Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?0 -
I don't think the two statements are actually all that contradictory. Davis said that he expected the UK to be out of the customs union/single market by the end of the A50 period. Hammond said he expected that there would be transitional arrangements. These two aren't exclusive. Even Davis himself said that there would be transitional arrangements, possibly for three years after the A50 date.Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:twitter.com/mshelicat/status/879803429530554369
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Yep. The LDs need to find a new footing. I find it hard to believe that Cable is their man. Layla Moran - you may as well!MarkSenior said:
I meant as I am sure you know any and every other party including Labour and the Weak and wobbly shower .Omnium said:
Apart from Labour! And thus your observation of my comment being idiotic seems to be on unsafe ground.MarkSenior said:
I don't think he would lead the Lib Dems into a coalition with any other party .Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?
I don't mind you being rude, but I hope for your sake that you try to think things out a little more in the future before doing something like venturing our of your house.
Edit: Sorry that was very rude, and uncalled for. You annoyed me and I let it get the better of me. I apologise.0 -
If the Tories aren't terrified about Vince becoming the leader they should be. He's now the grand old man of the centre Left, recognized by the public at large and, unlike Jezza and co., has no dark corners in his past. With Jezza playing the rock star and venerable Vince a safe pair of hands, Theresa's going to get squeezed into obsolescence. The Tories need to carve at a niche for themselves, but so much political space is now solidly occupied.0
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Splits on the left? What's not to like?Stark_Dawning said:If the Tories aren't terrified about Vince becoming the leader they should be. He's now the grand old man of the centre Left, recognized by the public at large and, unlike Jezza and co., has no dark corners in his past. With Jezza playing the rock star and venerable Vince a safe pair of hands, Theresa's going to get squeezed into obsolescence. The Tories need to carve at a niche for themselves, but so much political space is now solidly occupied.
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Vince cable was one of the worst coalition ministers, pperhaps the worst of those that stayed in their job for the entire period. While clegg, alexander, Webb and lamb put him to shame.0
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Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
I expect the next LD leadership contest in 2/3 years time will be between Swinson and MoranOmnium said:
Yep. The LDs need to find a new footing. I find it hard to believe that Cable is their man. Layla Moran - you may as well!MarkSenior said:
I meant as I am sure you know any and every other party including Labour and the Weak and wobbly shower .Omnium said:
Apart from Labour! And thus your observation of my comment being idiotic seems to be on unsafe ground.MarkSenior said:
I don't think he would lead the Lib Dems into a coalition with any other party .Omnium said:
And yet he's been recorded as favouring Labour candidates, and was also regarded as somewhat unhelpful when in coalition.MarkSenior said:
He left the Labour Party 35 years ago and has opposed them ever since then .Omnium said:
Thanks. In what way?MarkSenior said:
What an idiotic comment .Omnium said:The big question mark about Cable is nothing to do with his age. He's long represented Labour by another means.
Are you honestly suggesting that Cable would ever lead the LDs into a coalition other than with Labour?
I don't mind you being rude, but I hope for your sake that you try to think things out a little more in the future before doing something like venturing our of your house.
Edit: Sorry that was very rude, and uncalled for. You annoyed me and I let it get the better of me. I apologise.0 -
Ironically Cable as LD leader may actually help the Tories a little, as a well known social democrat heavyweight and social liberal unlike Farron he may be able to win back a few centre left LDs who voted Labour this time while he is unlikely to appeal to many who voted for MayStark_Dawning said:If the Tories aren't terrified about Vince becoming the leader they should be. He's now the grand old man of the centre Left, recognized by the public at large and, unlike Jezza and co., has no dark corners in his past. With Jezza playing the rock star and venerable Vince a safe pair of hands, Theresa's going to get squeezed into obsolescence. The Tories need to carve at a niche for themselves, but so much political space is now solidly occupied.
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Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
Cable was a Labour councillor and parliamentary candidate before he joined the SDP, he is also a staunch Europhile and social democrat (note not socialist)Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.0 -
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0 -
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
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Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0 -
They appeared keen enough to give it a shot this time, when the prospect of assembling an anti-Conservative government briefly appeared a possibility. And even went talking to the DUP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal
By the next GE they will be keener still.
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They would if it meant powerBig_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
LDs are unlikely to join another coalition either. Fear not.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal0 -
And what was Alan Clark Secretary of State for?Bobajob_PB said:
Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0 -
If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?0
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You are thinking of new labour - not Corbyn- McDonnell's Venezuela modelIanB2 said:
They appeared keen enough to give it a shot this time, when the prospect of assembling an anti-Conservative government briefly appeared a possibility. And even went talking to the DUP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal
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I think if the PB LDs were the selectorate, Vince would lose a one horse race.Torby_Fennel said:If all of the Lib Dem MPs were standing for the leadership then Cable would be my 12th preference. What a mess... Though I suppose things could be worse... but only in a parallel world where Cable hadn't won back his seat and none of the elected MPs wanted the leadership...
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Shagging.TheScreamingEagles said:
And what was Alan Clark Secretary of State for?Bobajob_PB said:
Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!
Although admittedly he was quite good at that portfolio.
(Realised after I posted that he was only minister of state, but let the error ride)0 -
Seeing those pictures above I can't help but think of the similarity to Tom Wilkinson in the Full Monty.0
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He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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The PB Quiz is to guess the identity of the lady on the Times front page, with only her right arm in shot on that Tweet.0
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Hammond needs to be fired. Everyone else in Government is on the same page - he is just angling for the leadership by abandoning his so-called Eurosceptic principles to curry favour with the Soft Brexit crowd. His behaviour is entirely self-serving and May would look strong if she kicked him out - I doubt that many of his cabinet colleagues would come to his rescue. The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.Scott_P said:0
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He wasn't. He was junior minister at various departments.TheScreamingEagles said:
And what was Alan Clark Secretary of State for?Bobajob_PB said:
Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0 -
Ideal leader to make Nick Clegg's 2015 performance look stellar?MarkSenior said:
He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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DUP to demand £460m in tax cuts to keep Theresa May in power after Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/dup-demand-460m-tax-cuts-keep-theresa-may-power-brexit/0 -
He was a Labour councillor in the 1970s, but I rather suspect voters may think his policies and actions in 2010-15 are rather more relevant.HYUFD said:
Cable was a Labour councillor and parliamentary candidate before he joined the SDP, he is also a staunch Europhile and social democrat (note not socialist)Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.0 -
Miranda Kerr.Bobajob_PB said:The PB Quiz is to guess the identity of the lady on the Times front page, with only her right arm in shot on that Tweet.
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The Daily Express has an even stranger headline saying, 'Davis: We *are* still on course for EU exit', which doesn't do much to assure their readership that that is the case.Bobajob_PB said:Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?
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In all fairness G, your wisdom about the Labour Party could be written on the back of one of Uncle Vince's cruelly privatised postage stampsBig_G_NorthWales said:
You are thinking of new labour - not Corbyn- McDonnell's Venezuela modelIanB2 said:
They appeared keen enough to give it a shot this time, when the prospect of assembling an anti-Conservative government briefly appeared a possibility. And even went talking to the DUP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell would or even agree to itBobajob_PB said:
Lib-Lab Pact would be my ideal. Rock star Corbyn as PM with Vince as Chancellor, and the likes of Jo and Layla reining in the wilder elements of a resurgent Labour Party. I think the country would also like that.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless, with a left-wing Labour maj the betting favourite outcome from the next GE, PB'ers might consider the prospect of an alternative Labour/LD coalition as a preferable alternative?MarkSenior said:
Not for the first time events proved the Guardian wrong ,RobD said:
The Guardian in 2010 described him as a 'natural Labour coalition man'Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/wintour-and-watt/2010/may/11/coalition-talks-libdem-labour-deal
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I think he will be an OK leader for these times. Looks like Sturgeon may well be gone by 2021 as well as Theresa. Who would have thought that a few weeks agoMarkSenior said:
He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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Hammond should be listened to!archer101au said:Hammond needs to be fired. Everyone else in Government is on the same page - he is just angling for the leadership by abandoning his so-called Eurosceptic principles to curry favour with the Soft Brexit crowd. His behaviour is entirely self-serving and May would look strong if she kicked him out - I doubt that many of his cabinet colleagues would come to his rescue. The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.
Scott_P said:
He is the only one in the cabinet speaking sense over Brexit. There needs to be a soft Brexit transition phase or a car crash Brexit. The latter looks increasingly likely.0 -
I am a Remain voting Tory member and I would happily back Hammond, with 60% of the country now backing a softer Brexit according to polls and May having failed to get a majority for hard Brexit it is only right that at least one of the main Tory leadership candidates is not a hard Brexiteerarcher101au said:Hammond needs to be fired. Everyone else in Government is on the same page - he is just angling for the leadership by abandoning his so-called Eurosceptic principles to curry favour with the Soft Brexit crowd. His behaviour is entirely self-serving and May would look strong if she kicked him out - I doubt that many of his cabinet colleagues would come to his rescue. The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.
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Yup.Richard_Tyndall said:
He wasn't. He was junior minister at various departments.TheScreamingEagles said:
And what was Alan Clark Secretary of State for?Bobajob_PB said:
Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0 -
I think you must be delusional, much of the PCP is pro Remain as are millions of Tory votersarcher101au said:Hammond needs to be fired. Everyone else in Government is on the same page - he is just angling for the leadership by abandoning his so-called Eurosceptic principles to curry favour with the Soft Brexit crowd. His behaviour is entirely self-serving and May would look strong if she kicked him out - I doubt that many of his cabinet colleagues would come to his rescue. The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.
Scott_P said:0 -
"Remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway."archer101au said:The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.
They must be confusing the Conservatives with UKIP in the same way you have.0 -
May truly is in awful place regarding getting Brexit past parliament.
She will have 20 New Bastards.
She will have about 80 Brexit hardliners.
And a split cabinet. And a playful House of Lords.
It will take diplomatic genius to reconcile all that lot.
(on the plus side, the Labour opposition is nowhere near as coordinated - in Parliament - as it was under Kinnock and Blair, and McDonnell will do what he will)0 -
Davis: My Brexit dream "could still" come truewilliamglenn said:
The Daily Express has an even stranger headline saying, 'Davis: We *are* still on course for EU exit', which doesn't do much to assure their readership that that is the case.Bobajob_PB said:Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?
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I don't think the cabinet divisions are that massive either.RobD said:
I don't think the two statements are actually all that contradictory. Davis said that he expected the UK to be out of the customs union/single market by the end of the A50 period. Hammond said he expected that there would be transitional arrangements. These two aren't exclusive. Even Davis himself said that there would be transitional arrangements, possibly for three years after the A50 date.Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:twitter.com/mshelicat/status/879803429530554369
I do think Hammond isn't fully inside the tent yet, and I'm not sure whether he wants to be.0 -
My guess was JK Rowling, although I am probably wrong and have no idea why she would be on the front page. I just thought it looked like her arm!TheScreamingEagles said:
Miranda Kerr.Bobajob_PB said:The PB Quiz is to guess the identity of the lady on the Times front page, with only her right arm in shot on that Tweet.
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I think Hammond is just muddying the waters to try and destabilize May even more...
This is between Davis and Barnier and I'm confident they'll reach a sensible settlement if the like's of Hammond and Boris aren't allowed to stir things up too much.0 -
How many seats in by elections have recent governments lost? Cameron lost 3 from 2005-2010 (but in fact only 1 if you count Carswell and Reckless as UKIP incumbents), Blair and Brown lost 3 from 2005 to 2010. That was over a 5 year Parliament. Even if 3 seats were lost the Tories could probably stay in power unless SF took their seatsMarkSenior said:
He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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As a Maydup booster boy you are in no position to comment on the performance of party leaders Morty!Mortimer said:
Ideal leader to make Nick Clegg's 2015 performance look stellar?MarkSenior said:
He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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Tories split over Europe?Bobajob_PB said:
I think you must be delusional, much of the PCP is pro Remain as are millions of Tory votersarcher101au said:Hammond needs to be fired. Everyone else in Government is on the same page - he is just angling for the leadership by abandoning his so-called Eurosceptic principles to curry favour with the Soft Brexit crowd. His behaviour is entirely self-serving and May would look strong if she kicked him out - I doubt that many of his cabinet colleagues would come to his rescue. The reality is that the only people who support him as replacement PM are remainers who would never vote Conservative anyway.
Scott_P said:
Who could have predicted that!0 -
Bob a job
'In all fairness G, your wisdom about the Labour Party could be written on the back of one of Uncle Vince's cruelly privatised postage stamps '
Believe me I have lived through all kinds of labour parties and remember Kinnock saving them from the hard left only for the hard left to arise through Corbyn. I remember the refuse in the streets and the dead lyjng unburied. I also voted for Tony twice - so do not patronise me0 -
And so it beginsFrancisUrquhart said:DUP to demand £460m in tax cuts to keep Theresa May in power after Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/dup-demand-460m-tax-cuts-keep-theresa-may-power-brexit/0 -
Good grief. Same username for 903 posts...Bobajob_PB said:
As a Maydup booster boy you are in no position to comment on the performance of party leaders Morty!Mortimer said:
Ideal leader to make Nick Clegg's 2015 performance look stellar?MarkSenior said:
He would be the ideal leader for an early GE . Think it is unlikely there will be one as it will be 2/3 years before the Con/DUPs lose their majority through by election losses .TheScreamingEagles said:If Sir Vince is a stop gap leader for 3 years, what happens if there's an early election?
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Don't forget Labour won about a third of 2015 LDs in 2017, Cable could win them back, after all they voted for Clegg even if they did not vote for FarronDanny565 said:
He was a Labour councillor in the 1970s, but I rather suspect voters may think his policies and actions in 2010-15 are rather more relevant.HYUFD said:
Cable was a Labour councillor and parliamentary candidate before he joined the SDP, he is also a staunch Europhile and social democrat (note not socialist)Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.0 -
And of course lets not forget the extreme voices in the EU as well...GIN1138 said:I think Hammond is just muddying the waters to try and destabilize May even more...
This is between Davis and Barnier and I'm confident they'll reach a sensible settlement if the like's of Hammond and Boris aren't allowed to stir things up too much.0 -
Cable would struggle to keep my vote, and I am a party member!HYUFD said:
Don't forget Labour won about a third of 2015 LDs in 2017, Cable could win them back, after all they voted for Clegg even if they did not vote for FarronDanny565 said:
He was a Labour councillor in the 1970s, but I rather suspect voters may think his policies and actions in 2010-15 are rather more relevant.HYUFD said:
Cable was a Labour councillor and parliamentary candidate before he joined the SDP, he is also a staunch Europhile and social democrat (note not socialist)Danny565 said:LOL at the idea that Vince Cable is a "leftie" or "Labour by another means". Are we talking about the person who even back in 2009 was talking up the necessity of "savage" spending cuts, who was the main face of the tuition fees rise, who privatised the Royal Mail, and who generally didn't raise much objection to being in government with the Tories? If anything, I would say the biggest argument against him being leader is precisely that he would be distrusted by the left-liberal voters in Cambridge and the like who are still very negative towards the Coalition.
Even so, if I was a LibDem member I would still probably think him the best option -- with the situation the party is in, they really need someone who has something of a public profile to even get noticed, even when that profile isn't wholly positive. They can't afford to take a punt on some new MP who might theoretically have broader appeal to their pre-Coalition voters (if there are any MPs who meet that criteria), they need to go with someone who the public already know just to get back into the game.0 -
Indeed it was my cockup to posthumously promote him in the OP. Apologies. Although how he rose to the dizzy heights of minister remains something of a mystery.Richard_Tyndall said:
He wasn't. He was junior minister at various departments.TheScreamingEagles said:
And what was Alan Clark Secretary of State for?Bobajob_PB said:
Chortle. The most ineffective Secretary of State since Alan Clark?Stark_Dawning said:
No, Liam's still alive:Bobajob_PB said:
Yet again makes my point that the government haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, and are just shambling around while Brussels runs rings around them, to the amusement of the rest of the world. How we ended up with Toxic Tess and the Killer Clowns Boris and Davis handling this, I have no idea. Where's Foxy? Has someone shot him?Scott_P said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
He's beaming a lot surrounded by his art collection, but still seems to be fighting the EU referendum a little bit much to my mind. Come on, Liam - put that triumph behind you. You won. Now roll up your sleeves and start securing us those trade deals!0
