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JackW said:

tpfkar said:

Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form

Scottish Viscount to stand ?!? ....

Are distinguished Jacobite aristocrats eligible?

Or do silk stockings not go with sandals?

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Toxic Theresa . Sad to see OGH descend into the gutter. This nasty witch hunt has long since become tedious and disgusting.

OGH's name-calling has more than a dash of truth to it, though. When she was a big net benefit to her party in the months after her elevation, he acknowledged that. But you need to be blind not to see that she ran a terrible campaign, has trashed her "strong and stable" reputation, and has become toxic.

You might think the widespread public impression of May, and the fact it has fallen so far and so fast is unfair, and she's actually jolly nice. Perhaps you're right. But you can't seriously demand that people pretend it isn't happening on a betting website.

PB should be ahead of the pack rather than lamely following it.

If only someone on PB had been warning since last summer Theresa May was a pound shop Gordon Brown and such like.

I think it would be difficult to express the contempt to which your hero Osborne is held within genuine conservative circles. The man's a cad.

I had him down as more of a bounder.

The difference was recently explained to me.

A bounder would fight like a lion on the battlefield, and then seduce his Colonel's wife, when home on leave.

A cad would avoid the fighting, steal other mens' credit, and then seduce his Colonel's wife.

A friend of mine was slightly surprised that her daughter's school accepted without discussion a thirteen year old male student who decided to dress as a girl.

Her daughter accused her of heteronormativity!

tpfkar said:

tpfkar said:

Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form

Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.

Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.

Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.

JackW said:

tpfkar said:

Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form

Scottish Viscount to stand ?!? ....

Cometh the hour Jack, cometh the hour...

ThreeQuidder said:

Danny565 said:

Sean_F said:

If the best the Tories can do is to win 330 seats, then perhaps their problems run deeper than finding the right leader.

Regular reminder that the Tories haven't won a healthy majority since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Nor has the Labour Party, since the New Labour (War Criminal) Party was an entirely separate entity!

Paging TSE...

https://twitter.com/ladpolitics/status/879735649770901504

sarissa said:

Casino_Royale said:

Not a totally pointless GE then.

It's emasculated Sturgeon and punted IndyRef2 into the long grass. One threat gone to HMG flank.

Late Autumn 2018 is now "in the long grass"? Says a lot for the current political outlook.

Indyref2 won't be in Autumn 2018.

Nigelb said:

JennyFreeman said:

Nigelb said:

IanB2 said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Toxic Theresa . Sad to see OGH descend into the gutter. This nasty witch hunt has long since become tedious and disgusting.

Toxic doesn't feel like the right word, though. She is just hopeless, and damaged, not poisonous.

And it alliterates.

So does turd but that doesn't mean it's appropriate.

You'd prefer Miserable May ?

Manacle May?

Teflon has been overused and rather lost its lustre with Tony, so how about:

Magnet May?

She hasn't come unstuck just yet.

ThreeQuidder said:

Danny565 said:

Sean_F said:

If the best the Tories can do is to win 330 seats, then perhaps their problems run deeper than finding the right leader.

Regular reminder that the Tories haven't won a healthy majority since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Nor has the Labour Party, since the New Labour (War Criminal) Party was an entirely separate entity!

Why 'War Criminal'?

@gorbalsgoebbels: Sturgeon looks a broken woman.

Today she looked tired & ineffective.
https://twitter.com/ali_harper/status/879700680260411393

Scott_P said:

@gorbalsgoebbels: Sturgeon looks a broken woman.

Today she looked tired & ineffective.
https://twitter.com/ali_harper/status/879700680260411393

A certain someone needs to add to his collection of pensions.

Scott_P said:

@gorbalsgoebbels: Sturgeon looks a broken woman.

Today she looked tired & ineffective.
https://twitter.com/ali_harper/status/879700680260411393

Alex Salmond has a lot more time on his hands these days...

Sean_F said:

Roger said:

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Toxic Theresa . Sad to see OGH descend into the gutter. This nasty witch hunt has long since become tedious and disgusting.

OGH's name-calling has more than a dash of truth to it, though. When she was a big net benefit to her party in the months after her elevation, he acknowledged that. But you need to be blind not to see that she ran a terrible campaign, has trashed her "strong and stable" reputation, and has become toxic.

You might think the widespread public impression of May, and the fact it has fallen so far and so fast is unfair, and she's actually jolly nice. Perhaps you're right. But you can't seriously demand that people pretend it isn't happening on a betting website.

PB should be ahead of the pack rather than lamely following it.

If only someone on PB had been warning since last summer Theresa May was a pound shop Gordon Brown and such like.

I think it would be difficult to express the contempt to which your hero Osborne is held within genuine conservative circles. The man's a cad.

I had him down as more of a bounder.

The difference was recently explained to me.

A bounder would fight like a lion on the battlefield, and then seduce his Colonel's wife, when home on leave.

A cad would avoid the fighting, steal other mens' credit, and then seduce his Colonel's wife.

A friend of mine was slightly surprised that her daughter's school accepted without discussion a thirteen year old male student who decided to dress as a girl.

Her daughter accused her of heteronormativity!

Is heteronormativity meant to be a bad thing?

I found it difficult to know when I looked it up in the dictionary. There doesn't seem to be any value judgement in the definition. But the school was in Edinburgh!

Davis compares Brexit to landing on the moon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40420670

I managed to pull over on drive home from work to cash out my Ed Davey bets. Good job I had R4 on

Quantum announcement...

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/879738480368246784

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/879738374092750848

Credit, where credit is due. She has managed to select the option designed to maximise displeasure with both her supporters and her opponents. It's almost sublime.

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

Pulpstar said:

foxinsoxuk said:

tpfkar said:

tpfkar said:

Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form

Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.

Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.

Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.

Has Jamie Stone ruled himself in or out yet ?

There are a few others too...

Ishmael_Z said:

williamglenn said:

Davis compares Brexit to landing on the moon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40420670

So it won't actually happen but NASA will cook up some studio footage to make people think it has.

Best possible result, actually.

Ishmael_Z said:

williamglenn said:

Davis compares Brexit to landing on the moon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40420670

So it won't actually happen but NASA will cook up some studio footage to make people think it has.

Best possible result, actually.

You win the internet today.

rcs1000 said:

Sean_F said:

Roger said:

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Toxic Theresa . Sad to see OGH descend into the gutter. This nasty witch hunt has long since become tedious and disgusting.

OGH's name-calling has more than a dash of truth to it, though. When she was a big net benefit to her party in the months after her elevation, he acknowledged that. But you need to be blind not to see that she ran a terrible campaign, has trashed her "strong and stable" reputation, and has become toxic.

You might think the widespread public impression of May, and the fact it has fallen so far and so fast is unfair, and she's actually jolly nice. Perhaps you're right. But you can't seriously demand that people pretend it isn't happening on a betting website.

PB should be ahead of the pack rather than lamely following it.

If only someone on PB had been warning since last summer Theresa May was a pound shop Gordon Brown and such like.

I think it would be difficult to express the contempt to which your hero Osborne is held within genuine conservative circles. The man's a cad.

I had him down as more of a bounder.

The difference was recently explained to me.

A bounder would fight like a lion on the battlefield, and then seduce his Colonel's wife, when home on leave.

A cad would avoid the fighting, steal other mens' credit, and then seduce his Colonel's wife.

A friend of mine was slightly surprised that her daughter's school accepted without discussion a thirteen year old male student who decided to dress as a girl.

Her daughter accused her of heteronormativity!

Is heteronormativity meant to be a bad thing?

I went to an excellent Hetronormativy Play, you know about cross dresser who was born in a stable somewhere in East Wanstead.

You found a stable in Wanstead?

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/879741841498886145

TheScreamingEagles said:

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

That strategy would certainly have won the Conservatives a working majority this time, but I doubt if it's viable long term.

The mistake this time was taking benefits from the old, while offering nothing to the young.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/ladpolitics/status/879735649770901504

St Vince to the rescue.

Could he lead a national coalition of Con and Lab with the odd Lib Dem?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

No, first she didn't lose and second the poor performance (if getting more votes and share than Cameron ever did is 'poor') is down to the robotic charisma and pisspoor manifesto.

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

That strategy would certainly have won the Conservatives a working majority this time, but I doubt if it's viable long term.

The mistake this time was taking benefits from the old, while offering nothing to the young.

I was chatting to a colleague the other day, and he said if you didn't follow politics closely, looking purely at the campaigns, you'd never realise it was the Tories who called a surprise election and not Labour, who should have been on the hop.

The_Apocalypse said:

Speaking of gay marriage....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40416126

No CDU/DUP coalition then !!

TheScreamingEagles said:

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.

Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?

We are citizens of the UK/Britain/England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland, both on paper and in state of mind.

Yes.. so.. why is it a bad thing to support the notion of citizenship? Especially amongst those who come to settle here?

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.

Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?

We are citizens of the UK/Britain/England/Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland, both on paper and in state of mind.

Yes.. so.. why is it a bad thing to support the notion of citizenship? Especially amongst those who come to settle here?

I plan to cover that in a thread in the next few weeks.

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

That strategy would certainly have won the Conservatives a working majority this time, but I doubt if it's viable long term.

The mistake this time was taking benefits from the old, while offering nothing to the young.

I was chatting to a colleague the other day, and he said if you didn't follow politics closely, looking purely at the campaigns, you'd never realise it was the Tories who called a surprise election and not Labour, who should have been on the hop.

The other thing the Tories must not do next time is fail to turn up to the debates.

I have anecdotal evidence that that was a key factor with some swing voters.

It was, coupled with things like police numbers, it made Mrs May look shifty and evasive.

rottenborough said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/879741841498886145

Er, Corbyn replaced Ed Miliband.

And Cable would replace Farron.

But yes, I agree, it should have had Ed Milliband there rather than Tony Blair. Unless the point was that younger leaders were more successful. (Ignoring Clegg 2015.)

The context of 'Citizens of nowhere'

"But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.

So if you’re a boss who earns a fortune but doesn’t look after your staff…

An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/theresa-mays-conference-speech-in-full/amp/

How stupid would someone have to be to think that meant ethnic minorities?

Scott_P said:

rottenborough said:

Er, Corbyn replaced Ed Miliband.

I am guessing it's leaders who won elections...

Clegg?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Someone asks am I Stephen Bush?

How Theresa May abandoned David Cameron's playbook - and paid a terrible price

Theresa May lost because she rejected Cameroonism, but now his approach to party management is keeping her alive.

When hen she first became prime minister in 2016, Theresa May took an almost indecent glee in rolling back the era of David Cameron. His chancellor and closest ally, George Osborne, was sacked and the manner of his departure was briefed to the press. The Cameroon chumminess with the media was replaced by a layer of frost.

Cameron’s strategy of delivering austerity to the young while channelling every possible benefit to the old was abandoned, as was the conscious attempt to reach out to affluent ethnic minorities and social liberals.

Then on 8 June, it emerged that May had rolled back another Cameron project: the first Conservative parliamentary majority in two decades, squandered with three years of the parliament left to run.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

total nonsense

CornishBlue said:

RobD said:

CornishBlue said:

RobD said:

Pong said:

dyedwoolie said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

Scott_P said:

dyedwoolie said:

It's going to be everywhere. This is a huge huge scandal erupting in front of us. And the inevitable inquiry will have to go into all the rest of the construction industry. What else is combustible? What else is going to need to be removed and replaced?
Utter chaos incoming.

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/878284670093344768

What cladding was, and will it pass checks. That's more to the point.
It will still be everywhere though, if not on every building ever constructed. As the 100% failure rate in 32 authorities demonstrates.

This could easily go the way of the leaky homes scandal in New Zealand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis

The cost is so great that it could effect NZ's credit rating. Essentially the Government won't be able to pay for all the repairs.

Building codes are now very strict in NZ but, of course, it has been a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted

Messy. Flammable shit pit living is de rigeur

At least we didn't do something as stupid as privatising building contr...... ooooohhh, shit.

Privatising what?

Building Control.

Hopefully the plans to do the same with Planning Control are now shelved.

Oh, the planning system? Sorry, was unfamiliar with that term.

Building Control and Planning Control are separate regimes. The latter remains entirely public.

I have yet to see any evidence that the Grenfell fire was anything to do with private Building Control services being available.

The best information I have is that the Building Control was by the Council, but that they possibly switched to working under a Building Notice (*) during the project. This is from reading the detailed planning documents and records.

Suspect that the stuff about "privatisation of bulding control" is as relevant as the attempted (and fake) narrative about a fire in a Council owned, essentially Council / tenant run, building saying something about private landlords.

Nor do I think that there is much comparison with the NZ leaky house history - airtightness and watertightness are far more fundamental that External Wall Insulation or cladding.

* - look this up. Life is too short to describe a Building Notice here.

Scott_P said:

isam said:

Clegg?

He was in Government. Unlike Farron, who would have been in the picture otherwise

He didn't win an election though.

CornishJohn said:

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.

Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?

It certainly struck me as rather prejudiced against ethnic minorities that they can't ever favour loyalty to this country over a generic global citizen mindset. I guess people like Priti Patel and Kwasi Kwarteng aren't supposed to exist.

You can tell by the rather visceral dislike of Theresa May that there are few things that upset the left more than a conservative woman. I suppose a conservative ethnic minority is one of those things.

It's wrong to assume that May is disliked because she is a conservative woman. I actually liked TMay when she became leader of the Conservative Party last year.

Also, I don't think Stephen Bush was saying anything about what ethnic minorities 'should' think, nor did he imply that ethnic minorities shouldn't/can't be conservative.

On topic, I asked last year for Sporting Index to institute a Theresa May days market, but they declined.

AlastairMeeks said:

On topic, I asked last year for Sporting Index to institute a Theresa May days market, but they declined.

If they start offering markets like that, it's time to sell their shares

I might ask them to institute a similar market for all premiership managers.

CornishJohn said:

She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit.

How do you know? Assume you were a PM who wanted to overturn the decision on Brexit. What would you do differently to what May has done so far?

https://twitter.com/davehill/status/879586693023580161

Sean_F said:

I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?

Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.

So all those times I criticised Iain Duncan Smith was all down to him being a Tory woman, and not an awful Tory leader.

CornishJohn said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CornishJohn said:

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.

Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?

It certainly struck me as rather prejudiced against ethnic minorities that they can't ever favour loyalty to this country over a generic global citizen mindset. I guess people like Priti Patel and Kwasi Kwarteng aren't supposed to exist.

You can tell by the rather visceral dislike of Theresa May that there are few things that upset the left more than a conservative woman. I suppose a conservative ethnic minority is one of those things.

It's wrong to assume that May is disliked because she is a conservative woman. I actually liked TMay when she became leader of the Conservative Party last year.

Also, I don't think Stephen Bush was saying anything about what ethnic minorities 'should' think, nor did he imply that ethnic minorities shouldn't/can't be conservative.

She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit. She is viscerally disliked because she is a woman.

She had very good personal ratings as recently as April so I don't see how her unpopularity could suddenly be down to her gender and her being conservative. She even had decent ratings with Labour supporters, too.

Most don't expect TMay to 'overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit'. There are many though, who have long had concerns over a Hard Brexit and didn't appreciate being ignored by TMay when Brexit will affect all of us, not just those who voted to Leave.

slade said:

rcs1000 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

tpfkar said:

tpfkar said:

Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form

Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.

Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.

Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.

I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.

She was born in Hanover but married a Brit and is thus I think the second German-born MP ( unless anyone knows any other?)

Well the UK has a good history of when it was led by Hanoverians.

CornishJohn said:

The_Apocalypse said:

CornishJohn said:

CornishBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.

Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?

It certainly struck me as rather prejudiced against ethnic minorities that they can't ever favour loyalty to this country over a generic global citizen mindset. I guess people like Priti Patel and Kwasi Kwarteng aren't supposed to exist.

You can tell by the rather visceral dislike of Theresa May that there are few things that upset the left more than a conservative woman. I suppose a conservative ethnic minority is one of those things.

It's wrong to assume that May is disliked because she is a conservative woman. I actually liked TMay when she became leader of the Conservative Party last year.

Also, I don't think Stephen Bush was saying anything about what ethnic minorities 'should' think, nor did he imply that ethnic minorities shouldn't/can't be conservative.

She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit. She is viscerally disliked because she is a woman.

If that was true her approval ratings 3 months ago would have been dire.

Try again.

dyedwoolie said:

Sean_F said:

I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?

Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.

But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.