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TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?
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Aston Ham United...GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
My most recent house move (2013) wasn't really a house move.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't mean to be funny, but don't most people these days make use of storage lockers and do in fact take time to move all their things in?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/878006938969100288
The storage locker business is booming by all accounts.
I know I have...and no I don't own multiple homes.
I kept the flat, and moved in with my parents.0 -
Oborne looks half-cut. You could be right.nrs3079 said:
My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?Benpointer said:
Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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Oborne has always liked a drink I think....williamglenn said:
Oborne looks half-cut. You could be right.nrs3079 said:
My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?Benpointer said:
Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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He supports Aston villa or was it West ham ,some team in claret and blue.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
Legally, yes - but then legally Corbyn didn't have to agree to give May the 2/3 majority needed to call the election immediately. He did it because of the political imperative not to look like a coward.TheScreamingEagles said:
The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?
Another unelected Tory PM governing on the strength of May's minority mandate, who then refused an election? _That_ would sink the Tory brand like nothing else.
Look, May is shit. She lost an unlosable election, and I'll hate her for it until my dying day. But for the time being she needs to weather the political storm, be the scapegoat that gets us through Brexit and takes the heat for all the unpopular compromises it will involve, before we get a new leader with a new platform designed to win a post-Brexit election.0 -
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
I don't go until the end of July - plenty of time yet!shiney2 said:0 -
2 of my personal heroes.... along with jade Dernbach and Richard Burgon.TheScreamingEagles said:
Probably in the next ten days there will be a thread on PB comparing Mrs May to Roberto Soldado.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Brilliant stuff... great defensive clearance.TheScreamingEagles said:
Asking for a friend who is writing a thread for PB.Scrapheap_as_was said:I see JC is taking to the stage at Glastonbury..... Nice for Tom Watson to see him
Is this Bobby Sol's worst miss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcqYBIP9MQ0 -
How the Tories would have taken the pasty tax instead of the dementia tax during the campaign.Mortimer said:
Because Osborne never made gaffes, right?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The key to keeping Corbyn out of Downing Street is to delay the GE as long as possible.TheScreamingEagles said:
The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?
May staying for now guarantees no GE.
Of course you're right - a new PM doesn't mean a GE. But a new PM may foolishly be tempted to go for a GE - so changing PM does increase the risk.
In my view if this Parliament lasts several years then how long May carries on isn't going to make much difference. It might well be best for May to do Brexit and then let a new PM come in in 2019.
The performance and campaigning skills of the new PM will determine how well Con does at the GE.0 -
Ashworth had an alcoholic dad, and has spoken most movingly on the subject. I think he is pretty anti alcohol.GIN1138 said:
Oborne has always liked a drink I think....williamglenn said:
Oborne looks half-cut. You could be right.nrs3079 said:
My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?Benpointer said:
Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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So long as the new PM commands the House he or she is legitimate regardless of th FTPA. It is never necessary to hold a GE when a new PM comes in.TheScreamingEagles said:
The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?0 -
Osborne's disability cuts were mentioned far more than the dementia tax in my canvassing...TheScreamingEagles said:
How the Tories would have taken the pasty tax instead of the dementia tax during the campaign.Mortimer said:
Because Osborne never made gaffes, right?TheScreamingEagles said:
10:1 ratio, at least.
The worst type of gaffe is when you're not even aware you've made a gaffe. If IDS is pointing out that you're making a political boob, you really are....0 -
Yes. I think so. The announcer implied that when he said "a heated argument is an understatement".williamglenn said:
Oborne looks half-cut. You could be right.nrs3079 said:
My bets on a fight breaking out or a least a small scuffle. Who's on?Benpointer said:
Two Peter Oborne's turn up, the Daily Mail columnist and his doppleganger from the Mail Online... they are totally unreleated to each otherbigjohnowls said:
Dramatic never seen before thing apparently.Tykejohnno said:
What ?bigjohnowls said:QT something happens tonight that has never happened before.
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One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
Indeed i am. I won't be fighting though...Bobajob_PB said:
Rochdale is there on Friday IIRCFrancisUrquhart said:I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html0 -
I bet that is what the barrel chested shirtless ape in that video said to his wife before he set off this morning ;-)RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed i am. I won't be fighting though...Bobajob_PB said:
Rochdale is there on Friday IIRCFrancisUrquhart said:I believe a certain PBer was off to the nags...just saying like...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4628592/Ascot-racegoers-abandon-demure-style-Ladies-Day.html0 -
Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
I'm trying to remember what Cameron's majority was back in 2010, can somebody remind me?TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
The Conservative manifesto included repeal of the FTPA.TheScreamingEagles said:
The FTPA means there's no early election when Mrs May is toppled.blueblue said:
She's done as much contaminating as she's ever going to do - in fact, she won't be able to push through any of her unpopular policies, precisely because of her crap result.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Mrs May is contaminating the Tory brand further, it is political osmosis.blueblue said:"In first YouGov poll after calling the general election TMay was leading Corbyn by 54-15% as who would make the best PM."
And all the research and pretty graphs showed that that lead implied a 1983+ result.
But it didn't, and TMay will never fight another election. So who cares?
Another leader now = another election in 6 months = Corbyn + McDonnell + Abbott as PM and CotE and HomSec - why the heck would you want that to happen?0 -
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.0 -
We are going to get creamed...SouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
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Has Ian Blackford got the job of sanctimonious SNP talking head now Angus has disappeared >?0
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Is all about the net seat gains.OchEye said:
I'm trying to remember what Cameron's majority was back in 2010, can somebody remind me?TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?
From 198 seats to 306 seats.
Biggest Tory seat increase since 1931 IIRC0 -
If they were a football team they'd have turned up drunk, subbed the goalie for a scarecrow, and worn lead boots. Oh, and headbutted the ref at kickoff for good measure.GIN1138 said:
That was a dog of a campaign wasn't it...
Couldn't have done worse if they tried.0 -
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
PB Leavers to brush this off in 3, 2, 1...SouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
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Tory party as a whole isn't stupid. They will play it long. May does the hard yards over the next 2 years. If she turns her image around via hard graft, she can stay. If she doesn't, she will take any heat and shiny new leader can take on 70 year old plus Corbyn in 2020 or beyond0
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So, in summary, and admitting all of Mrs May's faults, 65% of respondents to the poll are completely bonkers. (or are telling the pollster porkies, of course),0
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The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
Ashworth looks like he is about to explode with self-righteous indignation....0
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The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
SouthamObserver said:
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
When we are OUT, we are OUT (of the EU law and all its anti democratic works).
BOO0 -
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
Did anyone seriously expect us to keep EU "stuff" in this country post Brexit ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
Really ?!0 -
Precisely - it's the best possible way of playing a rubbish hand. A new younger leader with a feel-good manifesto against a clapped-out fantasist who thinks he's been PM for the last several years? Bring it on...saddo said:Tory party as a whole isn't stupid. They will play it long. May does the hard yards over the next 2 years. If she turns her image around via hard graft, she can stay. If she doesn't, she will take any heat and shiny new leader can take on 70 year old plus Corbyn in 2020 or beyond
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When you read some of the comments on this thread and watch bbcqt , it's hard to avoid the conclusion that this country is totally, utterly screwed.0
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No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
That depends on what deal is agreed.shiney2 said:SouthamObserver said:
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
When we are OUT, we are OUT (of the EU law and all its anti democratic works).
BOO
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There are some prize thickos in the QT audience tonight.Jonathan said:When you read some of the comments on this thread and watch bbcqt , it's hard to avoid the conclusion that this country is totally, utterly screwed.
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Bobby Sol's emigrated. . It's going to be OKJonathan said:When you read some of the comments on this thread and watch bbcqt , it's hard to avoid the conclusion that this country is totally, utterly screwed.
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It says you are a bigot and a sore loser. Not sure it says much else apart from that.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
David Davis seems to have - or at least people speaking on behalf of his department.Pulpstar said:
Did anyone seriously expect us to keep EU "stuff" in this country post Brexit ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
Really ?!
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The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/8780033291748638730 -
Oh grow up.Tykejohnno said:
The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
I can tell you're upset that Mrs May is deporting all those EU citizens you don't like.0 -
Idiot.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
Wow look at the desperation. Clinging on to Faisal Islam tweets because they can't cope with the reality. No doubt you shed a tear when Donald Task was begging us to stay and the British public said "thanks but no thanks".TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
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Orville is a prize Corbynite tool, isn't he?0
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Nope.SouthamObserver said:
That depends on what deal is agreed.shiney2 said:SouthamObserver said:
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
When we are OUT, we are OUT (of the EU law and all its anti democratic works).
BOO
A50 means OUT.0 -
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QT FFS
Can't watch rest of this.0 -
Why would it say that? UKIP got one MP for their four million and I've argued on here many times that they deserved more.Richard_Tyndall said:
It says you are a bigot and a sore loser. Not sure it says much else apart from that.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
Not desperation, just vindication.Brom said:
Wow look at the desperation. Clinging on to Faisal Islam tweets because they can't cope with the reality. No doubt you shed a tear when Donald Task was begging us to stay and the British public said "thanks but no thanks".TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
The grief I got when I said Leavers were like the man who divorces his wife & still expects dinner & a blowjob from her every night after the divorce0 -
Of course not, but some prize idiots believed, or pretended to believe, that the UK should somehow be liable for the moving costs if and when the EU decided of its own volition to move the EMA and Banking Authority out of the UK.Pulpstar said:Did anyone seriously expect us to keep EU "stuff" in this country post Brexit ?
Really ?!0 -
Watching QT, Gina Miller was speaking sense, adjusted the contrast on the telly and she suddenly seemed to sound really stupid!0
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Depends how you define OUT, of course.shiney2 said:
Nope.SouthamObserver said:
That depends on what deal is agreed.shiney2 said:SouthamObserver said:
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
When we are OUT, we are OUT (of the EU law and all its anti democratic works).
BOO
A50 means OUT.
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charming.Tykejohnno said:
Idiot.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
I wouldn't like to be stuck in a lift with Gina Miller when she's in a bad mood. (Only joking disclaimer).0
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One upside of this election: Shy Toryism is going to return. The self righteous indignation of the loud left has returned!0
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Bbcqt needs to end.0
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Have you forgotten the mid-90s? You could be in for years of this in which the Tories continue to decline.Mortimer said:One upside of this election: Shy Toryism is going to return. The self righteous indignation of the loud left has returned!
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Never seen David Liddington before. Seems sane.0
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Yep ,i bet I am in a majority if we put it to a vote in the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh grow up.Tykejohnno said:
The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
I can tell you're upset that Mrs May is deporting all those EU citizens you don't like.
That will do me pal.0 -
Full stop. Never to return.Jonathan said:Bbcqt needs to end.
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Hurrah. They boot him out!
Audience united under British manners!0 -
Lidington does come over as the only rational person on the panel. Really well handled.0
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There it is. Chucked out ( in effect ).0
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Take his coat !0
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Um! So what was his majority when he won the 2010 General Election? Please tell me, I'm getting so excited at the prospect.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is all about the net seat gains.OchEye said:
I'm trying to remember what Cameron's majority was back in 2010, can somebody remind me?TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?
From 198 seats to 306 seats.
Biggest Tory seat increase since 1931 IIRC0 -
Who got booted?0
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Christ, even Gina Miller said something I agree with.
Lies down in dark room to recover.0 -
In fairness I recall you predicting that for several months. The reverse has been true.Mortimer said:One upside of this election: Shy Toryism is going to return. The self righteous indignation of the loud left has returned!
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No one has helped the leave campaign more than Gina Miller. Her shady backers and disregard for democracy are there for all to see. I would have her on QT every week if I could.0
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Shouty Corbynite fool in the audience.FrancisUrquhart said:Who got booted?
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Praise indeed!welshowl said:Never seen David Liddington before. Seems sane.
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Wrong again.SouthamObserver said:
Depends how you define OUT, of course.shiney2 said:
Nope.SouthamObserver said:
That depends on what deal is agreed.shiney2 said:SouthamObserver said:
The ECJ interprets European law. It will continue to do so. If UK courts incorrectly apply it the ECJ will say so. Residency rights will be the rights the UK and the EU27 agree between them.shiney2 said:
Rubbish - it enshrines the ECJ as final arbiter in the uk for millions of UK residents.SouthamObserver said:
The EU offer was tabled on 12th June:Benpointer said:
And politically, the EU politically would have to reciprocate anyway.williamglenn said:FPT
And fewer rights than the EU is proposing to offer, assuming May wants her terms to be reciprocal.SouthamObserver said:
That's exactly what she's doing. She is proposing the have fewer rights than they do now.ThreeQuidder said:
For the same reason that has applied for the last year: a UK PM cannot hang out to dry British citizens living in the EU27.Benpointer said:
Why couldn't she be bold and make it a unilateral offerBig_G_NorthWales said:I think Theresa May has grabbed the initiative on the EU citizens and caught the EU on the hop
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-citizens-rights_en
It is far more generous to UK citizens than the May proposal.
"IV. Enforcement and dispute settlement rules
(1) The Commission should have full powers for the monitoring and the Court of Justice of the
European Union should have full jurisdiction corresponding to the duration of the protection
of citizen's rights in the Withdrawal agreement. "
Residency rights dependent on a non-democratic unaccountable foreign body with an interest in damaging the host country... And you think it bound to work in the peoples' interest.
When we are OUT, we are OUT (of the EU law and all its anti democratic works).
BOO
A50 means OUT.
A50 is OUT.
It's now the default.
Unless they make it worth ( think Golden Elephants) our while AND we can speak with one voice.
Neither are likely, or indeed desirable if democracy is the overriding objective.
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The lefties seem to be crying over QT tonight.
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You changed subject - lolBobajob_PB said:
Why would it say that? UKIP got one MP for their four million and I've argued on here many times that they deserved more.Richard_Tyndall said:
It says you are a bigot and a sore loser. Not sure it says much else apart from that.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
The tolerant left there. Cheers Jezza!0
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I'd hope that you'd be in a minority, and rightly so. I'd say 40% of my son's schoolmates are affected.Tykejohnno said:
Yep ,i bet I am in a majority if we put it to a vote in the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh grow up.Tykejohnno said:
The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
I can tell you're upset that Mrs May is deporting all those EU citizens you don't like.
That will do me pal.0 -
Will be on the panel in a fortnightMortimer said:
Shouty Corbynite fool in the audience.FrancisUrquhart said:Who got booted?
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Isn't it a given at the moment that some member of the cult has a full on wibble?0
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Shadow Cabinet more likely.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Will be on the panel in a fortnightMortimer said:
Shouty Corbynite fool in the audience.FrancisUrquhart said:Who got booted?
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Eh? I've not changed the subject at all. What on earth are you on about?Tykejohnno said:
You changed subject - lolBobajob_PB said:
Why would it say that? UKIP got one MP for their four million and I've argued on here many times that they deserved more.Richard_Tyndall said:
It says you are a bigot and a sore loser. Not sure it says much else apart from that.Bobajob_PB said:
No. Four million votes says something, not necessarily different though!Tykejohnno said:
Was he,4 million votes says different.Bobajob_PB said:
In fairness though, he was right about that one.Tykejohnno said:
One of his biggest gaffe's was his "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" put off millions of working class voters from the posh boy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never stopped him making nets gains at a general election.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Cameron was forever shooting his mouth off and putting his foot in it.
HMQ "purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring down the phone" anyone?0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross,_Skye_and_Lochaber_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2015: 17,593 Tories + Lib Dems;
2017: 17,603 Tories + Lib Dems; ........0 -
So are these kids parents poor unskilled unemployed then ?Bobajob_PB said:
I'd hope that you'd be in a minority, and rightly so. I'd say 40% of my son's schoolmates are affected.Tykejohnno said:
Yep ,i bet I am in a majority if we put it to a vote in the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh grow up.Tykejohnno said:
The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
I can tell you're upset that Mrs May is deporting all those EU citizens you don't like.
That will do me pal.0 -
Hardly unique?welshowl said:There it is. Chucked out ( in effect ).
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No. Hard workers. Why don't you look up the EU citizen employment rate vs Brit employment rate before you embarrass yourself?Tykejohnno said:
So are these kids parents poor unskilled unemployed then ?Bobajob_PB said:
I'd hope that you'd be in a minority, and rightly so. I'd say 40% of my son's schoolmates are affected.Tykejohnno said:
Yep ,i bet I am in a majority if we put it to a vote in the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh grow up.Tykejohnno said:
The metropolitan elite TV news media,oh yes,the EU can't do no wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait, the EU have a good reputation in this country?Tykejohnno said:
The EU image of been the good guys might soon take a knocking.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU have decided to take back controlSouthamObserver said:Another Davis triumph ...
https://twitter.com/jnathan/status/878003329174863873
I can tell you're upset that Mrs May is deporting all those EU citizens you don't like.
That will do me pal.0
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