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A lot of it is a genuine protest at the lack of affordable housing for the working classes, but there is a nasty element in there as proven by the signs. They are being kept on the margins so far as nothing has kicked off.Mortimer said:
Smearing? Chortle.EPG said:Do you think smearing the demonstrators as a communist terrorist mob is part of the non-empathy story explaining why you guys are losing to, of all people, Jeremy Corbyn?
Remind me of the votes/seats split of last week's election?
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Yes, I am still trying to get over how PM Jeremy Corbyn won his landslide victory last Thursday, Tories obviously did not reach out enough to the SWP!EPG said:Do you think smearing the demonstrators as a communist terrorist mob is part of the non-empathy story explaining why you guys are losing to, of all people, Jeremy Corbyn?
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Local politics? Who knows. Bottom line is that the people who made the decisions were tenants themselves who were not getting paid for what they did and were trying to make life better for the people living in those flats.Phil said:
If the KCTMO is so wonderfully representative of their tenants, then why did the Grenfall Action Group even exist?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have no idea. All the information is freely available on the KCTMO website. I guess the media find facts get in the way of a good story.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So why do the BBC and Sky not report that. It is their duty to be balanced and not conduct a witch hunt as has been evidenced over the last few daysRichard_Tyndall said:
It is worth actually looking at who made the decisions to have these renovations.tlg86 said:
Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?kyf_100 said:
Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...tlg86 said:But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html
It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.
The building was controlled by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation.
Who are they?
Well according to their website they are the 4,500 people who actually live in these council properties. Their board is made up of eight elected tenant and leaseholder members, four appointed Councillor members and three independent appointed other members. They are a non profit organisation and the board do not get paid for their work. Nor are they allowed to have any financial interest in any company that does work for them.
This is not some company setting out to profit from the council tenants. This IS the council tenants, or at least their representatives.
These are the people who decided to take over the running of their own homes so they could apply for grants to bring the properties up to the Decent Homes Standard.
Someone has made a big mistake here. No one denies that. But to try and claim this is anything to do with inequality or a lack of care is simply wrong and is very, very dumb.
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To some extent I understand it as BBC, Channel 4 and Sky news coverage is left biased and except for Andrew Neil, pro Labour.Richard_Tyndall said:
I have no idea. All the information is freely available on the KCTMO website. I guess the media find facts get in the way of a good story.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So why do the BBC and Sky not report that. It is their duty to be balanced and not conduct a witch hunt as has been evidenced over the last few daysRichard_Tyndall said:
It is worth actually looking at who made the decisions to have these renovations.tlg86 said:
Crikey! So does that mean it was a mix of private and social tenants?kyf_100 said:
Ghastly? Yours for £1712 per calendar month...tlg86 said:But why put something on the flats that could be hazardous? It smacks of politicians wanting to do something to make themselves feel better about those poor people who have to live in those ghastly flats.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html
It's interesting, because when you see tower blocks you assume they're not particularly special on the inside.
The building was controlled by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation.
Who are they?
Well according to their website they are the 4,500 people who actually live in these council properties. Their board is made up of eight elected tenant and leaseholder members, four appointed Councillor members and three independent appointed other members. They are a non profit organisation and the board do not get paid for their work. Nor are they allowed to have any financial interest in any company that does work for them.
This is not some company setting out to profit from the council tenants. This IS the council tenants, or at least their representatives.
These are the people who decided to take over the running of their own homes so they could apply for grants to bring the properties up to the Decent Homes Standard.
Someone has made a big mistake here. No one denies that. But to try and claim this is anything to do with inequality or a lack of care is simply wrong and is very, very dumb.
What I don't understand is how they haven't picked up on the media control elements in Corbyn's manifesto where he want totalitarian style control to be introduced.
If he ever gets in power, we are all in serious deep shit.0 -
The lefties have accepted Corbyns defeat easier than the referendum result. Get irate and carry onMortimer said:
Indeed. Those who lost the election are trying to politicise a terrible tragedy. For shame.Bobajob_PB said:There is the stench of desperation on this thread.
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Lol agree there is a stench all about this. Labour's conduct over this has been absolutely diabolical they are scum! Good job theresa is acting in a statesman like way labour are c*nts0
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good luck in the Brexit negotiations next weekAve_it said:Lol agree there is a stench all about this. Labour's conduct over this has been absolutely diabolical they are scum! Good job theresa is acting in a statesman like way labour are c*nts
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That just demonstrates why society is so divided you belong on order order not hereAve_it said:Lol agree there is a stench all about this. Labour's conduct over this has been absolutely diabolical they are scum! Good job theresa is acting in a statesman like way labour are c*nts
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Can I have my 3 quid back nowBobajob_PB said:There is the stench of desperation on this thread.
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Nichomar I have been here since 2005 so fack off ☺0
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Ave_it has been around long before you appeared - and will be here long after you've flounced off, I suspect.nichomar said:
That just demonstrates why society is so divided you belong on order order not hereAve_it said:Lol agree there is a stench all about this. Labour's conduct over this has been absolutely diabolical they are scum! Good job theresa is acting in a statesman like way labour are c*nts
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It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry 0
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The BBC at least try. Not easy for them when most of the news team are Guardian types, but they make an effort, and that deserves credit.saddo said:Channel 4 and Sky news coverage is left biased and except for Andrew Neil, pro Labour.
Channel 4 have been pretty blatant recently though.
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Mortimer = poster of the year ☺0
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A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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Sorry was here from 2008 if not before, had to change email address so unless i die first i might just outlive him, its not only the language but the complete ignorance in that specific post that adds nothing to a civalised debareMortimer said:
Ave_it has been around long before you appeared - and will be here long after you've flounced off, I suspect.nichomar said:
That just demonstrates why society is so divided you belong on order order not hereAve_it said:Lol agree there is a stench all about this. Labour's conduct over this has been absolutely diabolical they are scum! Good job theresa is acting in a statesman like way labour are c*nts
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I reckon PB will be shut down if Corbyn comes to power.0
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there will be no need for elections after the revolution - so what need a political betting forum?tlg86 said:I reckon PB will be shut down if Corbyn comes to power.
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Nichomar you add nothing at all so fack off! And I am being polite! I have Ave it since 05 were you twat head previously? ☺-1
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Sanders would be too right wing for the Labour Party. Obama and Clinton would fit the Tories.Pulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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Nichomar goodnight hope you don't post on here again ✋0
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Me thinks Ave_it has been at the cooking sherry ..... again ....
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On many issues Clinton is to the right of May.HYUFD said:
Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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No, Sanders is well to the left of the likes of Kendall and Cooper, let alone Blair (indeed Bernie Sanders' own brother is a Green councillor in Oxford and Sanders endorsed Corbyn in the election). Obama would never be a Tory, LD at best, Clinton is New Labour, at most she would be a Cameroon, she was certainly anti Brexitglw said:
Sanders would be too right wing for the Labour Party. Obama and Clinton would fit the Tories.Pulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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What's difficult to decide is whether Trump would be UKIP or Official Monster Raving Loony.HYUFD said:
No, Sanders is well to the left of the likes of Kendall and Cooper, let alone Blair (indeed Bernie Sanders' own brother is a Green councillor in Oxford and Sanders endorsed Corbyn in the election). Obama would never be a Tory, LD at best, Clinton is New Labour, at most she would be a Cameroon, she was certainly anti Brexitglw said:
Sanders would be too right wing for the Labour Party. Obama and Clinton would fit the Tories.Pulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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The DUP have confirmed they'll vote for the QS.0
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Clinton is left of May on immigration certainly and Brexit and civil libertiesnunu said:
On many issues Clinton is to the right of May.HYUFD said:
Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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Search me! It was an honest question though: clearly the management ctte were not *that* representative of their tenants needs, whatever the website might say.Richard_Tyndall said:
Local politics? Who knows. Bottom line is that the people who made the decisions were tenants themselves who were not getting paid for what they did and were trying to make life better for the people living in those flats.Phil said:
If the KCTMO is so wonderfully representative of their tenants, then why did the Grenfall Action Group even exist?
So where is your class war now?
NB I did look up that Ken Clarke quote, but unfortunately Christopher Storey just drops it in without giving a reference, so it’s completely unsourced. (Man, reading back issues of International Currency Review was a trip back to the 90s. John Major on one cover, Helmut Kohl the next...)
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Pitt did not have to worry about universal suffrage!Chris said:0 -
The Ave it tonight was the ave it when I first came to PB,you have been missed my friend ;-)0
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Is my red hand of ulster emoji working?0
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Its been mentioned on here before that there is a rather unpleasant underbelly to the Corbyn/McDonnell leadership.
I don't think the public will be fooled long term, clearly not enough of them were on election day as it is. If there is a parallel but connected Labour leadership led or condoned campaign between the street protest operation and the parliamentary electoral process, people will catch on.
I did say that the pre-vote story about Corbyn's file with the Intelligence services wasn't a Conservative inspired leak, which should tell you all you need to know.0 -
Trump would be UKIP, if the next US election is Sanders v Trump it would basically be the equivalent of Corbyn v Farage. You can imagine McCain or Romney or Bush Snr in the Tories but not TrumpChris said:
What's difficult to decide is whether Trump would be UKIP or Official Monster Raving Loony.HYUFD said:
No, Sanders is well to the left of the likes of Kendall and Cooper, let alone Blair (indeed Bernie Sanders' own brother is a Green councillor in Oxford and Sanders endorsed Corbyn in the election). Obama would never be a Tory, LD at best, Clinton is New Labour, at most she would be a Cameroon, she was certainly anti Brexitglw said:
Sanders would be too right wing for the Labour Party. Obama and Clinton would fit the Tories.Pulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
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DUP facking yes!!!!!!!!!!!0
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Two thoughts: riots would enable Theresa May, while she remained PM, to trigger the Civil Contigencies Acts, and run the country as she wished.
And, given the possibility of Corbyn becoming PM and himself triggering that Act, would the Armed Forces and Police make it clear that he would be rapidly stopped if he tried it.0 -
OK.agingjb said:Two thoughts: riots would enable Theresa May, while she remained PM, to trigger the Civil Contigencies Acts, and run the country as she wished.
And, given the possibility of Corbyn becoming PM and himself triggering that Act, would the Armed Forces and Police make it clear that he would be rapidly stopped if he tried it.0 -
It is easy for a US politician to take a position on Brexit as it is not about their own country and economy. Much harder to say how they would react if they were an equivalent UK politician.HYUFD said:
Clinton is left of May on immigration certainly and Brexit and civil libertiesnunu said:
On many issues Clinton is to the right of May.HYUFD said:
Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
Given the penal policies imposed during the Clinton presidency, they were not always terribly liberal - so I wouldn't be certain of her civil liberties credentials. There is a lot in the family record that doesn't mark them down as always being liberal on such matters.0 -
1. No Tory will vote against the QS.RochdalePioneers said:An interesting weekend of choices ahead for Tory MPs:
1. Leave May in place. Arlene Foster and various Tories find they have better places to be than back May. Labour force a confidence motion on Wednesday, the government falls
2. Remove May. No time for a leadership election, so a quick coronation of yet another unelected PM. Enough factional fall-out from her fall to make people abstain, no deal for Arlene to back, the government falls
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3. Remove May. A coronation. Everyone pulls together to get the QS through. Government finds itself without a programme of government it can get through parliament or a version of Brexit that anyone supports. Government survives for now, but Brexit negotiations are swift and brutal - no deal
4. Leave May in place. Scrapes through the QS, and she goes off to Brussels to again be given a brutally swift reality check from the EU. And we are left with a Zombie PM only there because her running from residents in Kensington is the least worst option facing Tory MPs
Its going to be a fascinating weekend. There are going to be significant acres of coverage of Tory MPs saying this can't go on. If the Tories aren't unanimously backing May, the DUP won't rescue her. I think the QS is going ahead because the deal is dead.
2. The DUP (&Sylvia Hermon) will never vote to put in Corbyn
3. Sinn Fein will never take their seats.
4. May will be gone by the party conference.0 -
There's always the possibility they'll make a better job of itLadyBucket said:Everyone should consider, that if the PM falls over this, then MOB RULE wins.
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UK crazy time. Long time mate of mine who sold his agency for mega millions has been filling my personal Facebook feed with Corbynite bile. De friend time for him. Must be worth £5mat least, yet labour muppet.0
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I might have to watch A Very British Coup again...agingjb said:Two thoughts: riots would enable Theresa May, while she remained PM, to trigger the Civil Contigencies Acts, and run the country as she wished.
And, given the possibility of Corbyn becoming PM and himself triggering that Act, would the Armed Forces and Police make it clear that he would be rapidly stopped if he tried it.0 -
I am sure his money is safely tucked away where Corbyn can't get at it.saddo said:UK crazy time. Long time mate of mine who sold his agency for mega millions has been filling my personal Facebook feed with Corbynite bile. De friend time for him. Must be worth £5mat least, yet labour muppet.
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DUP confirm they'll vote for the QS. So they're either stacking themselves to the zombie in exchange for enough cash to sink the peace process, or they've been given assurances she's gone.
Either way, you've got to love politics...
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I know. He's pretty smart so no Gary Lineker Ingenious schemes for himoxfordsimon said:
I am sure his money is safely tucked away where Corbyn can't get at it.saddo said:UK crazy time. Long time mate of mine who sold his agency for mega millions has been filling my personal Facebook feed with Corbynite bile. De friend time for him. Must be worth £5mat least, yet labour muppet.
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Come on Arlene! Goodnight all x0
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A non-choice. Everyone knew they would never vote down May's QS - it's all a bit personal for Foster, given Corbyn's chums tried to blow her up when she was a child.RochdalePioneers said:DUP confirm they'll vote for the QS. So they're either stacking themselves to the zombie in exchange for enough cash to sink the peace process, or they've been given assurances she's gone.
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Even left wing Americans advocate penal policies that I, a very right winger, think are appalling.oxfordsimon said:
It is easy for a US politician to take a position on Brexit as it is not about their own country and economy. Much harder to say how they would react if they were an equivalent UK politician.HYUFD said:
Clinton is left of May on immigration certainly and Brexit and civil libertiesnunu said:
On many issues Clinton is to the right of May.HYUFD said:
Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
Given the penal policies imposed during the Clinton presidency, they were not always terribly liberal - so I wouldn't be certain of her civil liberties credentials. There is a lot in the family record that doesn't mark them down as always being liberal on such matters.0 -
Hillary even defended a child rapist, she has always believed in civil liberties for everyoneoxfordsimon said:
It is easy for a US politician to take a position on Brexit as it is not about their own country and economy. Much harder to say how they would react if they were an equivalent UK politician.HYUFD said:
Clinton is left of May on immigration certainly and Brexit and civil libertiesnunu said:
On many issues Clinton is to the right of May.HYUFD said:
Sanders is certainly left of Macron, if he became President he would be the most leftwing President the US has ever had, just as Corbyn would be the most leftwing PM we have ever hadPulpstar said:
Sanders is just a regular social democrat in European terms thoughHYUFD said:
A Corbyn government would be the most leftwing in our history, we would all have reason to worry. Though I think a Sanders presidency may come firstPulpstar said:It was a shock but I'm coming to terms with the incoming Corbyn government. I'm not particularly rich or poor so no need to worry
Given the penal policies imposed during the Clinton presidency, they were not always terribly liberal - so I wouldn't be certain of her civil liberties credentials. There is a lot in the family record that doesn't mark them down as always being liberal on such matters.
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She will go well before the next election, of course Major took over from Thatcher 3/5 of the way through the 1987-1992 Parliament and still won in 1992 despite the downfall she suffered over the poll tax and the riots that ensued from that. Hammond in many respects is John Major 2, May seems to have jumped from Thatcher 1983 to Thatcher 1990 in the space of a few weeksSeanT said:Matthew Parris is right here (and I find his recent journalism loathsome)
She has to go. This is too cruel, now.
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13,959,529 people voted for either the Conservatives or the DUP 8 days ago (according to Wikipedia).RochdalePioneers said:DUP confirm they'll vote for the QS. So they're either stacking themselves to the zombie in exchange for enough cash to sink the peace process, or they've been given assurances she's gone.
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One of the most charming comments I read on Facebook was the suggestion that killing Arlene Foster as a child would have been like killing a young Hitler.Andrew said:
A non-choice. Everyone knew they would never vote down May's QS - it's all a bit personal for Foster, given Corbyn's chums tried to blow her up when she was a child.RochdalePioneers said:DUP confirm they'll vote for the QS. So they're either stacking themselves to the zombie in exchange for enough cash to sink the peace process, or they've been given assurances she's gone.
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Have you offered any of your mansion's to the homeless of Grenfell Roge?Roger said:
There's always the possibility they'll make a better job of itLadyBucket said:Everyone should consider, that if the PM falls over this, then MOB RULE wins.
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Tantrums and nastiness by the righties have become a bit of a feature since Mrs May's spectacular nose dive last week.nichomar said:
Goodnight i hope you sleep wellAve_it said:Nichomar you add nothing at all so fack off! And I am being polite! I have Ave it since 05 were you twat head previously? ☺
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The head of maomentum is seriously loaded. I am sure unlike the plebs he has secured his money.saddo said:UK crazy time. Long time mate of mine who sold his agency for mega millions has been filling my personal Facebook feed with Corbynite bile. De friend time for him. Must be worth £5mat least, yet labour muppet.
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I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.0 -
Note the subtle dropping of the word 'luxury' from the headline but used in the question...Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.0 -
The British people have gone mad!Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.0 -
I thought we all agreed that populism is bad?Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.
And the fact that Corbyn's plan is illegal wasn't mentioned in the question - so the responses are pretty meaningless - other than as a symbol of envy0 -
The country is officially bonkers.Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.0 -
I do believe that when Theresa May stands down Brexit as wanted by UKIP will be gone for good0
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Yougov also had voters wanting to restore the death penalty too in their last poll on the subject, though I doubt Corbyn's populism will reach as far as that!Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/0 -
Apparently she isn't standing down. The DUP will save her or somethingBig_G_NorthWales said:I do believe that when Theresa May stands down Brexit as wanted by UKIP will be gone for good
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It depends how the question is asked.Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.
In any case, it's irrelevant. People can be rehoused without confiscating property.0 -
Maybe if it only applies to posh people and Tories?HYUFD said:Yougov also had voters wanting to restore the death penalty too in their last poll on the subject, though I doubt Corbyn's populism will reach as far as that!
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/
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History may rhyme but it does not repeat. There is surely no need to look for precise parallels.HYUFD said:
She will go well before the next election, of course Major took over from Thatcher 3/5 of the way through the 1987-1992 Parliament and still won in 1992 despite the downfall she suffered over the poll tax and the riots that ensued from that. Hammond in many respects is John Major 2, May seems to have jumped from Thatcher 1983 to Thatcher 1990 in the space of a few weeksSeanT said:Matthew Parris is right here (and I find his recent journalism loathsome)
She has to go. This is too cruel, now.
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I remember Noel Gallagher at the height of britpop saying he could record himself taking a shit and it would still sell bucket loads....It appears the country has gone just as crazy over corbyn, but unlike oasis he has the opportunity to totally ruin the country rather than assault my eardrums with beattles knock offs.0
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It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....0
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I think you all agree that populism is bad when it's done by the other side. And particularly when it really is popular.oxfordsimon said:
I thought we all agreed that populism is bad?Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.
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I don't think many on here thought trump and Le pen had good policies.The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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Blair and Hague in 'Last Leg' C4 sketch now0
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Brexit and Corbynism are two cheeks of the same arse,The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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Also aspects of left wing populism - nationalisation, tax the rich - have been popular for sometime. Some PBers act as if only right wing polices have been popular.0
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She will in time for the next GE whenever that is. The next interesting question will be whether the SNP and the Lib Dems decide to vote for or against or abstain on the QSRochdalePioneers said:
Apparently she isn't standing down. The DUP will save her or somethingBig_G_NorthWales said:I do believe that when Theresa May stands down Brexit as wanted by UKIP will be gone for good
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Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think many on here thought trump and Le pen had good policies.The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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Last Leg has been absolutely brilliant tonight.
It has honestly made me believe, that despite everything, we'll be okay as a country.
McDonnell with the pathetic us vs them mentality he is trying to stir up, will hate this.0 -
Would that make Brexit, Corbyn, Trump and Macron a four-arse-cheek-clover?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit and Corbynism are two cheeks of the same arse,The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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Nah Yvette Cooper will make room for em all - after all she never actually took the Syrians she promised did she.GIN1138 said:
Have you offered any of your mansion's to the homeless of Grenfell Roge?Roger said:
There's always the possibility they'll make a better job of itLadyBucket said:Everyone should consider, that if the PM falls over this, then MOB RULE wins.
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I concur, they both assume that there are easy short cuts to the land of milk and honey.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit and Corbynism are two cheeks of the same arse,The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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Yeah.kyf_100 said:
Would that make Brexit, Corbyn, Trump and Macron a four-arse-cheek-clover?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit and Corbynism are two cheeks of the same arse,The_Apocalypse said:It was okay when it was right wing populism, now it's a disaster when it's left wing populism....
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You'd think by now Corbyn's opponents would be giving him a bit more credit, even if they looked on it as just low animal cunning. What he said was that empty property should be requisitioned if necessary. Put that way, in order to disagree, you'd have to be saying that even if requisitioning were necessary in order to rehouse these poor victims, you would refuse to do it. That sounds pretty hard-hearted, doesn't it?Sean_F said:
It depends how the question is asked.Alistair said:I see Corbo is still pretty good at selecting broadly supported populist lines
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808
Take out the Don't Knows for a headline figure at that's a revolutions worth of support.
In any case, it's irrelevant. People can be rehoused without confiscating property.0 -
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