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I the context I think I do. Thanks,Prodicus said:
Perhaps you mean 'would', not 'will'? ;-)Omnium said:
JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.Prodicus said:
Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.
He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.
I do not know of someone less suited to be PM. (Perhaps David Icke)0 -
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.0 -
https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
I'll be delighted if the EU is not dependent on the US for defence, and becomes and equal and capable partner. That's no threat, quite the opposite in fact, it would mean that NATO doesn't have all its eggs in one basket.rcs1000 said:Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
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ThomasNashe said:
From Maggie May to Theresa May.calum said:
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....and yet otherwise sensible people flock to be his apologists (see evidence of that on this very site). I just don't get it. No Tory I know would consider supporting a terrorist sympathiser as their leader. Maybe the Labour brain is wired differently, I don't know, but they seem to specialise in moral dissonance. Their detestation of international Jewry is another example of this.Omnium said:
JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.Prodicus said:
Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.
He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.
I do not know of someone less suited to be PM. (Perhaps David Icke)
It's quite disturbing when you think about it.0 -
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.
I think we are heading for a lamb glut.0 -
I have a question. Does anybody know where I can find an archive of leader ratings? If it was polling intention I could get it from Wikipedia or Anthony Wells's site, but I don'y know where to look for leader ratings0
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But, if your record is a shitshow, it doesn't matter how articulate you are.surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
And, Corbyn's record is a shitshow.0 -
Click through on the links here:viewcode said:I have a question. Does anybody know where I can find an archive of leader ratings? If it was polling intention I could get it from Wikipedia or Anthony Wells's site, but I don'y know where to look for leader ratings
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It's 2017. You're supposed to say FakeNews!SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
The fact it could plausibly be him says it all though...SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.
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It works with half the voters. And, that's more than enough.SeanT said:0 -
Here you goviewcode said:I have a question. Does anybody know where I can find an archive of leader ratings? If it was polling intention I could get it from Wikipedia or Anthony Wells's site, but I don'y know where to look for leader ratings
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Perhaps its delayed shock from sending her children to private school.peter_from_putney said:
You can always tell when she's struggling .... the speech slows and the eyeballs go skywards.Yorkcity said:
Totally agree she seems different to her appearances on This week .In a boxing match you would throw the towel in to stop further punishment .I hope she is ok but as you say it reminds me of Charles Kennedy when the Lib Dems asked him to stand down.Norm said:
I know This Week isn't that much of a guide but when she regularly appeared on there up to a few years ago she was quick-witted, knowledgeable and a fair match for Portillo and Andrew Neil. 2017 has been disastrous for her starting with the infamous missed vote a couple of months ago. What is it - drink, an unspecified illness I don't know but even the Corbynistas must realise she's a massive liability. Amber Rudd knocked spots off her shortly afterwardskle4 said:
Maybe she is actually knowledgeable? Just not quick witted?Nemtynakht said:She has a degree from Cambridge!
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Do you think that we should put the Welsh hill farmers out of business by importing cheap NZ lamb?Alanbrooke said:
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.0 -
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
TSE, it is now too late for Labour to hide Diane Abbott. The damage is done. The country knows that she is Home Secretary a week Friday. She is a live example of the judgement of Jeremy Corbyn. She would no doubt be a key player in our discussions with the EU on crime and security. I am worried already at the prospects for our country if JC leads the negotiations. It seems to me that the only negotiation that he has conducted recently is with Iranian state TV on his appearance fees. If I picture DA at his side opposite Mrs Merkel then I will not sleep for the next two years.0
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That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
Nations don't have friends, they have interests.SeanT said:
Merkel isn't talking about trade, she's talking about security, clearly. And there she's right. It's us and them, and always was. Friendly but not entirely linked.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
Trade between the free liberal democracies of the West will continue largely as before.
Relatedly, this is a great piece on Brexit by the new Canadian conservative leader, Andrew Scheer. Written four days before the vote.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-scheer-a-strong-britain-is-an-independent-britain
Pretty much inarguable. This is why we Left.
Your mistake is to think that the interests of the Anglosphere are aligned.0 -
I can't tell if it is him or not - I thought it looked familiar, but who can say definitively? It's certainly not like SeanT is a wavering Corbyn fan looking for a way to exonerate him.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
In this pic he does seem to be wearing similar clothes to the person at the IRA funeral...Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/indy100/ZygEn9bkZUl/8569-1cxa0a7.jpg0 -
So it could be Corbyn? Only one way to find out - ask him. If he denies it, and then it's proved it was indeed him.......Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
we import high cut ends out of season, you might as well say should we put UK pork farmers out of business because we import cheap shit from Poland who dont have our welfare standardsfoxinsoxuk said:
Do you think that we should put the Welsh hill farmers out of business by importing cheap NZ lamb?Alanbrooke said:
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.
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The correct response to being called "unreliable" by Merkel is, So now you know how Stalin felt in '41.glw said:
"Reliable" seems to mean being in an organisation which has aims that we oppose and biting our tongue. If that's what Merkel means she is right, and I'm delighted we are unreliable and the more unreliable the better.Alanbrooke said:
chortleScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
because of course they didnt alienate us0 -
The comments after that tweet, about a dozen down - "This is not an afro"....Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
PMSL moment!0 -
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
A big day for the Tories today ..... you just sense it.
Even a number of Labour's heavyweight regular posters on PB.com have been conspicuous by their absence pretty much all day.
Another two or three days like this one and it'll be all over bar the shouting I reckon.0 -
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg0 -
Why not ? They voted for Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think that we should put the Welsh hill farmers out of business by importing cheap NZ lamb?Alanbrooke said:
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.0 -
I'm beginning to wonder if CCHQ has some horrendous stuff on Corbyn which it will steadily release into social media.Jason said:
So it could be Corbyn? Only one way to find out - ask him. If he denies it, and then it's proved it was indeed him.......Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
.....and right on cue....surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?0
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You can tell it's bad when they are asking to borrow the Tories' Pampers.....peter_from_putney said:A big day for the Tories today ..... you just sense it.
Even a number of Labour's heavyweight regular posters on PB.com have been conspicuous by their absence pretty much all day.
Another two or three days like this one and it'll be all over bar the shouting I reckon.0 -
They really did like beards back then - they're back in fashion now, which I suppose is another explanation for Corbyn's rise.RobD said:
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg0 -
You know what they say about IRA sympathisersSeanT said:
Spotted, Sir! Looks like the same man, to be sure, to be sureRobD said:
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg
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It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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We need polls.0
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It was always going to resonate strongly in that part of the country.SeanT said:0 -
Diane Abbott is simply proving that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair realised that she was to useless to be a minister.
I do wonder if she falls under a missing category of officers outlined by Kurt von Hamerstein.0 -
But the mere fact people are having to spend time fact-checking old IRA photos show what dire territory this is for Corbyn.0
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The drip drip starting to become a steady stream.Sean_F said:
I'm beginning to wonder if CCHQ has some horrendous stuff on Corbyn which it will steadily release into social media.Jason said:
So it could be Corbyn? Only one way to find out - ask him. If he denies it, and then it's proved it was indeed him.......Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
Eh, some Tory nerves were settled by a reasonable set of polls yesterday, and some have been cheered by the IRA video and Abbott, but it all seems very fragile.peter_from_putney said:A big day for the Tories today ..... you just sense it.
Even a number of Labour's heavyweight regular posters on PB.com have been conspicuous by their absence pretty much all day.
Another two or three days like this one and it'll be all over bar the shouting I reckon.
Corbyn should attend the 7-way, leaving May the only one too scared to attend (Sturgeon is different, she is not seeking to win a seat so it makes sense)0 -
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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I don't think it is Jeremy Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
But keep looking. (Actually, if he ever was at one of these funerals, there will be some hi-res shots that 5 will handily make available a week tomorrow....)0 -
Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080-1 -
If he is forced to deny it's him, job done.GIN1138 said:
The fact it could plausibly be him says it all though...SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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Yes for once I agree with the broad thrust of your comments. The whole point of Camerons failed attempt was that we did not want to be part of ever closer federal union.SeanT said:
Who gives a flying fuck what the sausage-eaters think or care. They will still want to sell us their cars, we will still want to sell them our whatever-it-is-we-make. Free trade will resume after the blip.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
They want to be in a Federal EU, we don't. Enough. We're out. We can now be chatty and amiable neighbours, and wave to each other in the morning, over the garden wall, and maybe even go to each other's barbecues.
The English-speaking nations are our family. We squabble, but the blood ties are real, and deep.
The lib dems do but they have already shown there are no lengths they will run to to avoid government.
Equally I agree we should govern ourselves to suit ourselves and nor worry about others. They must do whatvthey want. However that does not mean we should not sign treaties and be loyal allies. But yes, we should let the other party worry and pursue what we believe to be right.0 -
I think Corbyn has serious question to answer about why his facial hair and clothing stylings were so closely aligned with known disreputables.0
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Watched a few videos on YouTube earlier and some of them had Conservative ads mentioning Corbyn and the IRA just before playing the video. Though I know zero about how the add system works on there, what adds are selected.0
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Very likely. He was Corbyn's constituency secretary.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Canada sends most of its exports to the US, the US to Canada and Mexico, the UK to the US and EU, Australia to China and Japan, New Zealand to Australia and China but they all share a language, culture, legal and political system and with the exception of the US, a monarchrcs1000 said:
Nations don't have friends, they have interests.SeanT said:
Merkel isn't talking about trade, she's talking about security, clearly. And there she's right. It's us and them, and always was. Friendly but not entirely linked.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
Trade between the free liberal democracies of the West will continue largely as before.
Relatedly, this is a great piece on Brexit by the new Canadian conservative leader, Andrew Scheer. Written four days before the vote.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-scheer-a-strong-britain-is-an-independent-britain
Pretty much inarguable. This is why we Left.
Your mistake is to think that the interests of the Anglosphere are aligned.0 -
So does Nick Timothy.kle4 said:I think Corbyn has serious question to answer about why his facial hair and clothing stylings were so closely aligned with known disreputables.
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Do balaclavas ever age though?foxinsoxuk said:By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.
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I think it uses your browsing history to tailor ads for you, so if they see you visiting sites like this (based on a cookie stored on your computer) they will offer up more political ads.jonny83 said:Watched a few videos on YouTube earlier and some of them had Conservative ads mentioning Corbyn and the IRA just before playing the video. Though I know zero about how the add system works on there, what adds are selected.
Much merriment was had when some poster a while ago was asking why they kept seeing Russian bride ads here on PB.
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Again, that is the Sands funeral.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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TittersSean_F said:
Very likely. He was Corbyn's constituency secretary.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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My gods, you're right - deeply suspicious.TheScreamingEagles said:
So does Nick Timothy.kle4 said:I think Corbyn has serious question to answer about why his facial hair and clothing stylings were so closely aligned with known disreputables.
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Listen, Corbyn made it clear he never met the IRA. Of course, he was drawing a line between the IRA and Sinn Fein. If the IRA and Sinn Fein were the same, why didn't the British government ban it ?MarqueeMark said:
I don't think it is Jeremy Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
But keep looking. (Actually, if he ever was at one of these funerals, there will be some hi-res shots that 5 will handily make available a week tomorrow....)
Sinn Fein will soon provide the First Minister in Northern Ireland. Get ready for it.0 -
Both the images are from the same event though, aren't they?Ishmael_Z said:
Again, that is the Sands funeral.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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Well, that stock rebuttal backfired pretty spectacularly.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Lol. Home run.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Oh that is hilariousRobD said:
I think it uses your browsing history to tailor ads for you, so if they see you visiting sites like this (based on a cookie stored on your computer) they will offer up more political ads.jonny83 said:Watched a few videos on YouTube earlier and some of them had Conservative ads mentioning Corbyn and the IRA just before playing the video. Though I know zero about how the add system works on there, what adds are selected.
Much merriment was had when some poster a while ago was asking why they kept seeing Russian bride ads here on PB. 0 -
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Interesting, did Labour talk about their manifesto in 1997 or 2001 or even 2005 at this stage in a campaign? No, Labour were entirely focused on the negative part of any strategy a political party in front does at this stage. In the past Labour went on about the Tories/ No more boom and bust and the like. For this campaign the Tories will go on about IRA/Unilateral Nuclear disarmament/ Soft on terrorists / Brexit and any one of the most embarrassing hostages to fortune that Corbyn has uttered. You mention the campaign being won by Labour but given the headlines everyday is that really the case? Then ultimately the difference between the air war and what happens on the ground. I don't think Corbyn will ever be judged a winner do you?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.0 -
Welcome, Leo.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Ouch!Sean_F said:
Very likely. He was Corbyn's constituency secretary.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.0
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Pavilion clock.welshowl said:
Lol. Home run.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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He never met the IRA at all, at all.surbiton said:
Listen, Corbyn made it clear he never met the IRA. Of course, he was drawing a line between the IRA and Sinn Fein. If the IRA and Sinn Fein were the same, why didn't the British government ban it ?MarqueeMark said:
I don't think it is Jeremy Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
But keep looking. (Actually, if he ever was at one of these funerals, there will be some hi-res shots that 5 will handily make available a week tomorrow....)
Sinn Fein will soon provide the First Minister in Northern Ireland. Get ready for it.0 -
He himself admits he has met the IRA:surbiton said:
Listen, Corbyn made it clear he never met the IRA. Of course, he was drawing a line between the IRA and Sinn Fein. If the IRA and Sinn Fein were the same, why didn't the British government ban it ?MarqueeMark said:
I don't think it is Jeremy Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
But keep looking. (Actually, if he ever was at one of these funerals, there will be some hi-res shots that 5 will handily make available a week tomorrow....)
Sinn Fein will soon provide the First Minister in Northern Ireland. Get ready for it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4549908/Jeremy-Corbyn-FINALLY-admits-met-IRA-members.html
Asked directly if he had met with convicted members of the IRA, he said he had.
As for Sinn Fein they did put on broadcasting restrictions. I suspect they thought banning might be a step too far.
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Irritating more like - I was searching for Ukrainian brides.jonny83 said:
Oh that is hilariousRobD said:
I think it uses your browsing history to tailor ads for you, so if they see you visiting sites like this (based on a cookie stored on your computer) they will offer up more political ads.jonny83 said:Watched a few videos on YouTube earlier and some of them had Conservative ads mentioning Corbyn and the IRA just before playing the video. Though I know zero about how the add system works on there, what adds are selected.
Much merriment was had when some poster a while ago was asking why they kept seeing Russian bride ads here on PB.0 -
So it is the British Govt's fault that Corbyn was confused about who he was meeting with? LOL!surbiton said:
Listen, Corbyn made it clear he never met the IRA. Of course, he was drawing a line between the IRA and Sinn Fein. If the IRA and Sinn Fein were the same, why didn't the British government ban it ?MarqueeMark said:
I don't think it is Jeremy Corbyn.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
But keep looking. (Actually, if he ever was at one of these funerals, there will be some hi-res shots that 5 will handily make available a week tomorrow....)
Sinn Fein will soon provide the First Minister in Northern Ireland. Get ready for it.0 -
surby just likes the idea of dead paddiesleomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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So much for being priced in!SeanT said:0 -
Yep. Every single Welsh hill farmer voted for Brexit.surbiton said:
Why not ? They voted for Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think that we should put the Welsh hill farmers out of business by importing cheap NZ lamb?Alanbrooke said:
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky0
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Yes, both Bobby Sands' funeral (at least according to the Daily Mail where I found the images via image search.)RobD said:
Both the images are from the same event though, aren't they?Ishmael_Z said:
Again, that is the Sands funeral.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
https://twitter.com/Bhikkubodhi/status/868890966895284228
Bloody earworms, I will now have "She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes" on repeat for the next 24 hours.0 -
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
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Yes, belated welcome to PB!MarqueeMark said:
Welcome, Leo.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Boy is that about to change.....SeanT said:0 -
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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As you know I'm on record as thinking the IRA stuff won't harm Corbyn appreciably (we shall see though), but if you believe no one cares about that, surely no one cares about us providing arms to Saudi Arabia either? In fact a great deal less.surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
I'm going to stick my neck out here and hazard a guess that this post of yours is going to get quoted. A lot.
Congratulations. I think you've just gone down in electoral history.
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I didn't know China and Japan and us shared a language and a legal system. In fcat, I am not sure China has a legal system.HYUFD said:
Canada sends most of its exports to the US, the US to Canada and Mexico, the UK to the US and EU, Australia to China and Japan, New Zealand to Australia and China but they all share a language, culture, legal and political system and with the exception of the US, a monarchrcs1000 said:
Nations don't have friends, they have interests.SeanT said:
Merkel isn't talking about trade, she's talking about security, clearly. And there she's right. It's us and them, and always was. Friendly but not entirely linked.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
Trade between the free liberal democracies of the West will continue largely as before.
Relatedly, this is a great piece on Brexit by the new Canadian conservative leader, Andrew Scheer. Written four days before the vote.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-scheer-a-strong-britain-is-an-independent-britain
Pretty much inarguable. This is why we Left.
Your mistake is to think that the interests of the Anglosphere are aligned.0 -
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.0 -
They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
May will probably have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.
She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.
Keep an eye on Dacre.
He's key.0 -
That.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
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No doubt this started the moment Corbyn became leader?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
He should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.0 -
Probably not Corbyn then - in 1981 he wasn't yet an MP, and wouldn't be important enough to be standing next to Gerry Adams at that funeral.Ishmael_Z said:
That is the funeral of Bobby Sands in 1981 (just out of interest, as it doesn't really help us on the jezza ID question).
There are plenty of other embarrassing meetings with IRA bombers to use though. No doubt this will come to a crescendo in the final week.
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Did you read the second half ?SeanT said:0 -
I think we have reached peak KlaxonJason said:
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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