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  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    If they can't find anything IRA and Corbyn there is always a chance of something with Hamas and Hezbollah. It's not like Corbyn was that picky with his terrorist groups.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    See this might damage Mrs May and the government

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698

    ECHR innit ?

    doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
    Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.
    she'll U turn
    I like how many PBers now agree with me that Mrs May is crap. #Visionary
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    TMA1 said:

    kle4 said:

    Pong said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008

    I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.

    I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.
    120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.
    They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?

    May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.

    She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.

    Keep an eye on Dacre.

    He's key.
    She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).

    I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.

    But I am gobsmacked over this Amritsar thing. Just whats that about? It was in 1984, there was a report by the cabinet secretary and at 'worst', if there was a worst, we just gave early advice. Advice to a fellow democracy - the largest in the world and a fellow commonwealth member. it was otherwise nothing to do with the UK.

    I's an oddly specific thing to put in a manifesto, but Labour's is full of a lot of very specific details, although the design is not as clear as LDs or Tories, so its a bit wall of texty at times. It doesn't explain why that one is in there, just that Labour remains committed to it. Big Sikh vote winner?
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.

    Owen Carron huh?

    If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
    He has also made himself shorter by about 4 inches !
    Master of disguise too, eh? Dastardly.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141
    Arguments over defence and security benefit the Conservatives in the same way arguments over the NHS benefit Labour. People reckon their hearts are in the right place.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,891
    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    Well I guess Jez's friends in Hezbollah are fighting against ISIS - so that's one positive I err errm
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    alex. said:

    The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.

    He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.

    Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.

    Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
    Quite a few posters should be red-carded.
    Like all the Welsh farmers should be bankrupted, for disagreeing with you.
    Not me. Brexit will do it because our free trade with the US and NZ and Australia will bankrupt them.
  • SeanT said:

    I reckon this IRA stuff will damage Corbyn with 40+ swing voter women, where he was starting to do well.

    It turns him from cuddly old socialist who wants to make university free, into something much nastier and stranger.

    It's not the IRA per se, it's his obsession with extreme and violent politics.

    But "40+swing voter women" would only have been teenagers or younger still at the time of "the troubles" and it's doubtful therefore whether it would have the same resonance compared with those 10 years or more older.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871
    surbiton said:

    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    Both are wrong. It's not complicated.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    edited May 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.

    Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)

    Yikes.

    Still, that leaves them one in each nations they stand in!

    It is feeling a lot like 2015 - 'No way they could lose X, go down to Y seats'. But if that's what the numbers keep saying, it could be true.

    I'll call it as a decent night for them, standing still from 2015.

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Westmoreland
    Hallam
    Edinburgh West
    North East Fife
    East Dunbartonshire
    Leeds North West
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    calum said:

    Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !

    https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985

    It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?

    Good point. Would Scottish Tory MPs be expected to liaise regularly with the SCON leader, or is she entirely bypassed? Does she have any particular say over how parliamentary candidates are selected for Westminster as the leader of SCON, so he's her candidate in that sense? It's more just an endorsement than him being a part of her team, should be be elected?
    Will be fun when scon mp's cut the WHA to England but not Scotland.
    It's not devolved until 2019.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SeanT said:

    I reckon this IRA stuff will damage Corbyn with 40+ swing voter women, where he was starting to do well.

    It turns him from cuddly old socialist who wants to make university free, into something much nastier and stranger.

    It's not the IRA per se, it's his obsession with extreme and violent politics.

    But "40+swing voter women" would only have been teenagers or younger still at the time of "the troubles" and it's doubtful therefore whether it would have the same resonance compared with those 10 years or more older.
    "40+swing voter women" wants to go to bed with Corbyn.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?

    Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?
    Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.
    I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.
    There are far more people than alt-right concerned. I know two people who are were members who will not vote labour because of Corbyn. One of them was the first to tell me about Corbyn's past.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited May 2017
    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
    [citation needed]
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    nunu said:

    Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080

    The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.
    The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.

    If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
    Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).
    SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.
    Did you not see the second part of the sentence? It was about that it isn't an anti-scottish reaction, it is an anti-SNP reaction. If the Scots want to elect 59 SNP MPs knowing that England in particular might react against it that is their business, and indeed they very nearly did so and will once again elect a majority of SNP MPs this time. The question was why would England want to 'keep' Scotland if the SNP cause such a stir, and I was focusing on that it is indeed the SNP causing a stir, and the SNP won't always have 56/59 MPs in Scotland (for one because independence might well occur in the not too distant future), and that if it was SCON, SLAB or SLD being relied on to support English MPs at Westminster no one in England would care (I hope), and so the English would (again I hope) not want to 'lose' Scotland just because, currently, it is mostly represented by SNP MPs, even if it does not want to work with those MPs.

    That's a lotta wurds.

    Strangely I seem to recall quite a stir about Scottish Labour MPs voting through university top-up fees. However I'm sure things are different now, and the wise and generous English voter would fulfill your hopes.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    See this might damage Mrs May and the government

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698

    ECHR innit ?

    doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
    The ECHR is an issue but its been around since the 50's.. Its our own Human Rights Act that facilitates it and allows british judges to make rulings which is the complicating factor.

    We can stay in the ECHR but repeal the HRA. I suspect the govt have many more fish to fry at the moment
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    OUT said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    calum said:

    Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !

    https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985

    It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?

    Good point. Would Scottish Tory MPs be expected to liaise regularly with the SCON leader, or is she entirely bypassed? Does she have any particular say over how parliamentary candidates are selected for Westminster as the leader of SCON, so he's her candidate in that sense? It's more just an endorsement than him being a part of her team, should be be elected?
    Will be fun when scon mp's cut the WHA to England but not Scotland.
    It's not devolved until 2019.
    Suspect they'll abstain, or the provisions won't be enacted until 2019.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    surbiton said:



    He has also made himself shorter by about 4 inches !

    He became a Jew?

    Oh, oops, not that 4 inches shorter operation.

    Sorry. As you were.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.
    It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.
    It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.
    You think I am alt-right?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316

    See this might damage Mrs May and the government

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698

    ECHR innit ?

    doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
    Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.
    she'll U turn
    I like how many PBers now agree with me that Mrs May is crap. #Visionary
    and yet shes less crap than Cameron and Osborne. On the crapometer they are near the top,

    Mrs M will come in with a majority larger than Cameron ever got even after a dismal campaign.

    This is the type of polling Cameron could have got if he hadnt spent so much time pissing off his own supporters.

    If Mrs M delivers say a majority of 80 with a recovery in Scotland and that makes her crap, then Cameron must be porcine diarrhoea
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:



    He has also made himself shorter by about 4 inches !

    He became a Jew?

    Oh, oops, not that 4 inches shorter operation.

    Sorry. As you were.

    Losing 4 inches sounds like the operation did not go to plan.
  • GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.

    Owen Carron huh?

    If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
    Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.
    This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:

    Would you like to try a cheese burger Bobby Sands?
    Love that - thank you!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    nunu said:

    Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080

    The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.
    The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.

    If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
    Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).
    SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.
    Did

    That's a lotta wurds.

    Strangely I seem to recall quite a stir about Scottish Labour MPs voting through university top-up fees. However I'm sure things are different now, and the wise and generous English voter would fulfill your hopes.
    They let me down a lot, as it happens, but if there is a situation where people are angry about Scottish MPs voting on things swaying matters in Westminster, I would criticise that. It's a United Kingdom, mostly. Scottish MPs are as entitled as any other MPs.

    A situation wherein that vote is on something which doesn't affect Scotland because it is a devolved matter, well, that's a little more complex but if the rules say they get a vote they get a vote.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    surbiton said:
    Labour really are the nasty party, aren't they?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    Hezbollah are fighting against ISIS
    Shia-Sunni situation, I presume?
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    surbiton said:

    alex. said:

    The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.

    He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.

    Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.

    Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
    Quite a few posters should be red-carded.
    In this case it would be a badge of pride
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/

    ''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''

    ''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
    ‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''

    The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    TMA1 said:

    kle4 said:

    Pong said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008

    I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.

    I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.
    120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.
    They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?

    May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.

    She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.

    Keep an eye on Dacre.

    He's key.
    She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).

    I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.

    But I am gobsmacked over this Amritsar thing.

    I's an oddly specific thing to put in a manifesto, but Labour's is full of a lot of very specific details, although the design is not as clear as LDs or Tories, so its a bit wall of texty at times. It doesn't explain why that one is in there, just that Labour remains committed to it. Big Sikh vote winner?
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.

    Owen Carron huh?

    If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
    He has also made himself shorter by about 4 inches !
    Master of disguise too, eh? Dastardly.
    i was picking up a curry earlier at an excellent Sikh takeaway (best samosas in town 10 for £3, and more curry and roti than you can eat for about £5 per head. bargain).

    They always have Sikh TV on, but this time also had Keith Vaz* flyers alongside their immigration lawyer ones. I expect that this is the target demographic.

    *though 2 miles outside his constituency!
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.

    Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)

    I have a feeling that Plaid will take Ceredigion - there seems to be far more signs/placards for them than Lib Dems and when i speak to friends about amountof Lib dem stuff we have had through letter box they say it smacks of desperation!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    TMA1 said:

    surbiton said:

    alex. said:

    The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.

    He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.

    Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.

    Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
    Quite a few posters should be red-carded.
    In this case it would be a badge of pride
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/

    ''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''

    ''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
    ‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''

    The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.
    Wonder if there's a tape recording of him saying that... :p
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.
    It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.
    Yes, people can only respond to things if that thing directly applies to them.

    This is why I got mistaken for a Corbyn fan last week for 'defending' him.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.

    Owen Carron huh?

    If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
    Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.
    This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:

    Would you like to try a cheese burger Bobby Sands?
    Love that - thank you!
    How you doing Mr Yossar,hope things looking up for you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?

    I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    marke09 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.

    Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)

    I have a feeling that Plaid will take Ceredigion - there seems to be far more signs/placards for them than Lib Dems and when i speak to friends about amountof Lib dem stuff we have had through letter box they say it smacks of desperation!
    I bumped into an old friend from Aberystwyth at a meeting the other day. He reckons LD hold. Williams knows his pavement politics.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    F*ck!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    :o
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    RobD said:

    TMA1 said:

    surbiton said:

    alex. said:

    The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.

    He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.

    Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.

    Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
    Quite a few posters should be red-carded.
    In this case it would be a badge of pride
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/

    ''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''

    ''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
    ‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''

    The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.
    Wonder if there's a tape recording of him saying that... :p
    Well according to the Telegraph he apologised on Newsnight for saying it. So he definitely said it and for me he still believes it.
    The Spectator article says ''Jeremy Corbyn has a three-decades-long career of siding with and sucking up to reactionary bigots and violent thugs.''
    Well, they may say so, I could not possibly comment.''
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    alex. said:

    The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.

    I think we did a pretty good job of debunking them.
    How can anyone know if we are not seeing theses ads.

    I have seen nothing bar the Abbott attack video. She is an utterly loathsome individual anyway, but I am not CCHQ's target audience.
    People are seeing the ads

    https://twitter.com/PaulCharisse/status/868938748586754050
    and he's not even the target audience. I hope the Tories are microtargetting the ads properly.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    Hold the front pages.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Even testing missiles, North Korea could not have intended to hit Japan, surely?!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    OUT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    Hold the front pages.
    So much for any Corbyn stuff leading the news.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Japanese jingoism in action again I see...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    RobD said:

    Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?

    I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.
    Survation phone poll will be out late Monday night.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Fake news?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    kle4 said:

    Even testing missiles, North Korea could not have intended to hit Japan, surely?!

    The trouble is when you launch a missile and do not know where it is going, sooner or later....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:
    Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.
    Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this election
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,891
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Fake news?
    Considering Julia MacFarlane is a BBC reporter I doubt it.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TMA1 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Japanese jingoism in action again I see...
    TBF Japanese foreign policy in Korea over the last century did leave rather a lot to be desired.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    Wildly off topic but hey, no polls today: does anyone have a link to a typical IFRS standard annual company report? I'm doing a 30000-word translation of a German annual report, and I've been asked to use IFRS terminology where possible. Some of what I've found seems non-intuitive to me (e.g. corporate revenue seems to have become "comprehensive income") and I'd like to get it right, but all the links I've found discuss the IFRS rather than simply presenting it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    .
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    You'd have thought any missile on course for Japan would get shot down pronto.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:
    Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.
    Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this election
    The Corbster must have said something nice about North Korea at some point, right?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan

    OK, that's totally different from landing IN Japan.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Fake news?
    Considering Julia MacFarlane is a BBC reporter I doubt it.
    Just surprised that it hasn't appeared on BBC News Channel or Sky News so far.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
    Replying to @SkyNewsBreak

    Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    blueblue said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:
    Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.
    Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this election
    The Corbster must have said something nice about North Korea at some point, right?
    No, he would not do that, I am sure. His campaign chief has though, according to reports.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    RobD said:

    Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?

    I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.
    Thanks - for those wot missed it this morning:

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/868747843821076480
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    See this might damage Mrs May and the government

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698

    ECHR innit ?

    doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
    Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.
    I think the exact pledge was 'not whilst involved with Brexit', or similar
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
    Replying to @SkyNewsBreak

    Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan

    In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.
  • GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    alex. said:

    Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.

    Owen Carron huh?

    If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
    Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.
    This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:

    Would you like to try a cheese burger Bobby Sands?
    Love that - thank you!
    How you doing Mr Yossar,hope things looking up for you.
    Thank you Tykester - more down today due to Exeter's play-off failure today - something I know that we can share - so alcohol imbibed gives me the confidence to surface. Appreciate your words though - thank you.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Reuters:
    North Korea fired an unidentified projectile on Monday from the region of Wonsan on its east coast in an easterly direction, South Korea's military said.
    The launch was immediately reported to President Moon Jae-in, who called a meeting of the National Security Council at 7:30 a.m. (2230 GMT Sunday), the South Korean office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.

    19 mins ago
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"

    Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    RobD said:

    Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?

    I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.
    Thanks - for those wot missed it this morning:

    https:/witter.com/Sunil_P2/status/868747843821076480
    Narrowing all the time.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited May 2017
    "Landed in Japan" became "Landed in the Sea of Japan" became "Landed in Japan's EEZ"

    Quite a distinction. Japan's EEZ goes halfway to N Korea.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Nothing on Reuters' Japan page.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"

    Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.
    Phew! Translation issue perhaps - 'In Japan' for 'In Japan's territory including the sea'?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    TMA1 said:

    See this might damage Mrs May and the government

    https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698

    ECHR innit ?

    doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
    Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.
    I think the exact pledge was 'not whilst involved with Brexit', or similar
    We will not bring the European Union’s Charter of Fundamental Rights into UK law. We
    will not repeal or replace the Human Rights Act while the process of Brexit is underway
    but we will consider our human rights legal framework when the process of leaving the
    EU concludes. We will remain signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights
    for the duration of the next parliament
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
    Replying to @SkyNewsBreak

    Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan

    In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.
    Landing in the sea of Japan has happened before, and Japan has protested. They have even landed close to Russia. I suppose it depends how close.

    For myself I think we need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture missiles and generate landings.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @juliamacfarlane: Japanese govt spokesman says NKorea missile launch poses threat to Japanese ships and planes
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008

    I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.

    I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.
    120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.
    It might not be - but as you are determined not to give a feck about his friendships lets ask someone with a little less skin in the game.

    Sean T for instance.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Well the missile thing doesnt make BBC News ticker but is on SKY's
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,891
    TMA1 said:

    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
    Replying to @SkyNewsBreak

    Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan

    In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.
    Landing in the sea of Japan has happened before, and Japan has protested. They have even landed close to Russia. I suppose it depends how close.

    For myself I think we need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture missiles and generate landings.
    Orchestral Manoeuvres in Pyongyang.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"

    Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.
    Not sure I would like a missile landing in our 200 mile limit. Suppose we launched a missile and it landed within 200 miles of Cork.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Wow arent I the lucky one - can choose 7 different results night programmes on TV
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    TMA1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"

    Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.
    Not sure I would like a missile landing in our 200 mile limit. Suppose we launched a missile and it landed within 200 miles of Cork.
    Well, no cause undue alarm of an impending war, it's happened before.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    Are they real on the bottom left.
    (OK I am indeed ashamed of myself)
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Have we ever seen Mrs Corbyn? I wonder if she turns up to The One Show with him on Tuesday
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    edited May 2017
    Well, now it doesn't look as though war may be imminent, I guess I shall be able to sleep tonight!

    In case WW3 does start, put it in a thread header, or I won't notice.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    edited May 2017
    TMA1 said:

    twitter.com/TheSun/status/868937552656576512

    Are they real on the bottom left.
    (OK I am indeed ashamed of myself)
    That was my question too. Those heels are bloody enormous.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,891
    marke09 said:

    Have we ever seen Mrs Corbyn? I wonder if she turns up to The One Show with him on Tuesday

    No, she wants to stay completely out of the game - and that is fair enough to my mind.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Labour have had a bad weekend. The IRA stuff has been badly handled, despite the fact they knew it was coming. No change in my forecast: Tory majority of 95.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    Well, now it doesn't look as though war may be imminent, I guess I shall be able to sleep tonight!

    In case WW3 does start, put it in a thread header, or I won't notice.

    You can read it in the NYT...

    @JenniferJJacobs: "The United States government is aware. The president has been briefed," one of Trump's National Security Council a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/868952930833096704
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    glw said:

    RobD said:

    And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

    I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.
    Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.

    Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.

    The stench of hypocrisy.

    Hezbollah are fighting against ISIS
    Shia-Sunni situation, I presume?
    Yes. If you think ISIS hate us, see what they have to say about the Shi'a...not to mention more minor sects.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    TMA1 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting

    ??!!
    Japanese jingoism in action again I see...
    TBF Japanese foreign policy in Korea over the last century did leave rather a lot to be desired.
    And to many other places. Japan is a democracy and is our ally now. We all had different hairstyles that far back.
    A serious speculation might be had about what Corbyn's policy might be if either China or N Korea became aggressive towards Japan. My suggestion is that he would demand the withdrawal of 'provocative' US bases and the 7th Fleet.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Memo to Lynton Crosby, stop putting Michael Fallon up as the caring face of the Tory Party, interviewers are having too much fun making him look stupid.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    Scott_P said:
    Thank god she changed her earrings
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    Corbyn isn't stupid: he's refused to go into coalition with Nicola Sturgeon despite her offer of a "progresssive alliance".
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