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This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
Can anyone remember an election like it?0 -
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The last one, and the one before that, and the one before that.....Pong said:
This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
Can anyone remember an election like it?0 -
Blimey, Chiltern could win this!0
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2015?Pong said:
This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
Can anyone remember an election like it?
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Most of them. '92 - fear of Kinnock? '83 - fear of Foot? They both worked out well for the Government....Pong said:
This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
Can anyone remember an election like it?0 -
A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apartfoxinsoxuk said:
But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.Alanbrooke said:
and like all forecasts at some point they will be correctfoxinsoxuk said:
Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.Alanbrooke said:
I cant help but think her next term will be her downfallfoxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
shes just hung on too long
Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
all political careers end in failure
My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.
No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
Blair, surely?0 -
SeanT said:
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?
Easy - ignore the voters.
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Abbot is shadow Home Secretary so it would be rather unusual to prevent her talking about matters, like security, which she might one day control. Her best ploy would be to get ill again and go into quarantine.0
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FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/
The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....0 -
People say stuff like that all the time. It isn't true. Their manifesto identifies 5 'giant challenges' facing the country (need for a strong economy, Brexit, social division, ageing society, fast changing technology) and offers what they say is a mainstream governing party which will work for ordinary people by addressing those challenges by steady as she goes policies for most things, and a few key interventions in other areas eg the social care stuff, energy caps etc etc.Pong said:
This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
That offer might be uninspiring, it might even be bollocks, but it isn't just fear of the alternative - unlike the Labour manifesto (and especially the UKIP manifesto), the opposing party is not mentioned once in the Tory manifesto, and nor is Corbyn.
Yes, their media campaign will focus mostly on Corbyn and how bad he is, particularly since the manifesto launch was so terrible, but it isn't true they aren't offering anything.
Labour's manifesto by contrast is simultaneously depressing and hopeful, as it plays up the badness of the present situation even more, with direct reference to May, while offering a distinct and positive alternative. (The LD one is, typically, a bit in between, not being as bold in policy offer, but offering more change than the Tory one).0 -
I guess their media officers deserve some champagne too.foxinsoxuk said:The NUT video is at 1.3 million on FB too.
Perhaps clictivism works.
htt://youtu.be/pM5uK3BvjY0
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1987, surely?CarlottaVance said:
A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apartfoxinsoxuk said:
But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.Alanbrooke said:
and like all forecasts at some point they will be correctfoxinsoxuk said:
Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.Alanbrooke said:
I cant help but think her next term will be her downfallfoxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
shes just hung on too long
Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
all political careers end in failure
My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.
No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
Blair, surely?0 -
Germany has never run a successful empireFF43 said:
As we all know the Roman Empire declined and fell. They had 700 years of hegemony first. Which is a good innings.Alanbrooke said:
and like all forecasts at some point they will be correctfoxinsoxuk said:
Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.Alanbrooke said:
I cant help but think her next term will be her downfallfoxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
shes just hung on too long
Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
all political careers end in failure0 -
a yes wrong date should be 87CarlottaVance said:
A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apartfoxinsoxuk said:
But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.Alanbrooke said:
and like all forecasts at some point they will be correctfoxinsoxuk said:
Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.Alanbrooke said:
I cant help but think her next term will be her downfallfoxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
shes just hung on too long
Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
all political careers end in failure
My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.
No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
Blair, surely?0 -
I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.0
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Alonso engine failure!0
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surbiton said:
I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
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I find the Abbott one even harsher on her, and more effective, than the Corbyn one, strangely enough. The lack of Corbyn's soothing manner really hinders her looking offended by the questions.CarlottaVance said:FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/
The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....0 -
82,000 - put on 5,000 in 6 minutes.....CarlottaVance said:FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/0 -
Alonso out with a blown engine.
Great effort though, hope he does this again next year. Getting a massive round of applause from the crowd, glad to see they appreciate him.0 -
ROFLsurbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
yes best leader ever0 -
True even 97 devil eyed Blair and 2015 you could not trust Milliband on defence and trident because he backstabbed his brother.MarqueeMark said:
Most of them. '92 - fear of Kinnock? '83 - fear of Foot? They both worked out well for the Government....Pong said:
This election is depressing.MarqueeMark said:
It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.SeanT said:The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.
Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
Can anyone remember an election like it?0 -
Chilton came out just in front of the pace car to stay on the lead lap, was very close to going a lap down but it played out to his advantage.tlg86 said:
Yes, he's done really well. That last yellow as just right for Chiltern, it kept him out front. He has a real chance here.Sandpit said:Alonso out with a blown engine.
Great effort though, hope he does this again next year.
Shame Alonso's engine could only go 450 miles.0 -
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And there's the crash that takes out half the field with 15 laps to go!0
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However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile0 -
SLAB finally reach acceptance that JC is their leader !
https://twitter.com/scottishlabour/status/8689153488165027840 -
From Maggie May to Theresa May.calum said:0 -
The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.Omnium said:
However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile0 -
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It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.0 -
I wonder what Trump thought about Merkel referring to the U.S. as being "unreliable" (along with the U.K) during the very same week in which he tried to engineer a bi-lateral trade deal with Germany and had to be told 11 times that any such deal had to to be with the entire EU.
A shocking lack of knowledge on the President's part it has to be said.0 -
He is getting under your skin, isn't he ? You are even thinking about him in your sleep.Jason said:
Yes - he is a kinder, gentler sort of terrorist appeaser than he was 30 years ago.surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
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Wow - that is a car crash interview for Abbot. Hilarious.CarlottaVance said:FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/
The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....
This will win us 25 more marginals IMHO.0 -
He is a complete idiot. This Russia thing gets more and more unbelievable. Why would Kushner want to set up a separate secret channel with Russia using their network ? Mind boggles !peter_from_putney said:I wonder what Trump thought about Merkel referring to the U.S. as being "unreliable" (along with the U.K) during the very same week in which he tried to engineer a bi-lateral trade deal with Germany and had to be told 11 times that any such deal had to to be with the entire EU.
A shocking lack of knowledge on the President's part it has to be said.0 -
Is he in need of social care, or just a good optician?calum said:-1 -
No, I think 650.Mortimer said:
Wow - that is a car crash interview for Abbot. Hilarious.CarlottaVance said:FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/
The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....
This will win us 25 more marginals IMHO.0 -
Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the pollsSeanT said:
Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?0 -
Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.0
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Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%foxinsoxuk said:
The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.Omnium said:
However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile0 -
Is Le Pen still leading?HYUFD said:
Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the pollsSeanT said:
Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?
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The CCHQ is plugging this one to make us think she has something in her. This will not hit 2.2m.ThomasNashe said:
From Maggie May to Theresa May.calum said:0 -
I think he likes her policies. Well, one of them.foxinsoxuk said:
Is he in need of social care, or just a good optician?calum said:
He also criticised Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn over his plans to tax the rich.0 -
It does look pretty tight in Italy. I think the winner of the popular vote gets a top up of MPs in the lower house:foxinsoxuk said:
Is Le Pen still leading?HYUFD said:
Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the pollsSeanT said:
Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election0 -
The first round results are not out yet !foxinsoxuk said:
Is Le Pen still leading?HYUFD said:
Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the pollsSeanT said:
Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?
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I was referring to Germany.HYUFD said:
Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%foxinsoxuk said:
The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.Omnium said:
However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile0 -
OK my final post about the Corbyn attack ad: it reached 2m at 4.45 this afternoon, it has just put on the next 250k in 4 and a quarter hours.0
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She did win most regions in round 1 but there is a difference between France and Italy in that Forza Italia and the Northern League would prefer Grillo over Renzi potentially giving him a majority while Les Republicains would not touch Le Pen with a bargepolefoxinsoxuk said:
Is Le Pen still leading?HYUFD said:
Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the pollsSeanT said:
Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.
How do they square the circle?
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Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
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She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
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Apologies but of course Germany has academically selective Gymnasiums in the state sector and there are many more of them there than there are grammar schools in the UKfoxinsoxuk said:
I was referring to Germany.HYUFD said:
Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%foxinsoxuk said:
The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.Omnium said:
However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
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I saw him crash into Michael Schumacher at Spa in 2005. I punched the air in delight much to the anger of the Ferrari fans around me!Sandpit said:
Yep, lovely guy. Great third place as well from Dubai-based British rookie Ed Jones.tlg86 said:Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.
Commentator points out that Sato used to be Jenson Button's BAR team mate a decade ago.0 -
On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.0
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The SPD slump is quite remarkable.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?0 -
Living In Germany in the mid 80's I saw the (recently reformed I was told) university duelling club members. Sabre scars and all. I was open mouthed, but there it was before my own eyes.SeanT said:
Germany definitely has a vestigial class system. The Vons and all that. Posh Germans tend to be Anglophile (or they were until Brexit) - they dress like English country gents, with added Italian cashmere.foxinsoxuk said:
The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.Omnium said:
The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.surbiton said:Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
Their class system is less nuanced and elaborate than ours, and not as rigid as the French, but it is there.0 -
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won0 -
Are you thinking about me in your sleep?surbiton said:
He is getting under your skin, isn't he ? You are even thinking about him in your sleep.Jason said:
Yes - he is a kinder, gentler sort of terrorist appeaser than he was 30 years ago.surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
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Not really. Martin Schulz got an initial bounce, then normality reasserted itself. Angela Merkel is stupendously popular.RobD said:
The SPD slump is quite remarkable.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?0 -
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.0 -
It always was thus, the exception was that we were like an unhappy grumpy old man moaning about the way the EU was going but still getting dragged around with them rather than doing what we want ourselves. Now we're rejuvenating and standing up for ourselves, not being "reliable" for the Germans is the way we always should have been.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.0 -
I would suggest Trudeau's Canada feels closer to Merkel's EU than Trump's US and Norway and Switzerland are both outside the EU just as the UK will be, maybe joined by Sweden and Denmark too if the EU and Eurozone become identicalSeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.0 -
chortleScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
because of course they didnt alienate us0 -
Waiting for McDonnell to put himself above the parapet for the questioning about his views on the IRA.....AlastairMeeks said:On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.
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Good!Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
Or was "reliably" giving away much of our rebate for sod all in return like Bad Al's mate did as PM the way you'd rather we act?0 -
Don't know exactly how many Tory attack ads there are but one of my friends is endlessly pumping out "Another Angry Voice" and "Canary" stuff !0
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But she's the worst of them, there are still a few others who could be used.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.
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Those first five in five different directions. That was settled in 1926 so far as Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand are concerned.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.0 -
Which of our EU neighbours leaked all of the Manchester intelligence to the press?
Oh, wait...-1 -
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It's been working all along on a slow burn.SeanT said:
The social care wobble was only witnessed in the polls - and the journo bubble who wanted to see a problem...0 -
I don't disagree, but currently it is campaigning that matters.Prodicus said:
Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
He should go to the leaders debate.0 -
Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?Alanbrooke said:
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won0 -
LOLScott_P said:Which of our EU neighbours leaked all of the Manchester intelligence to the press?
Oh, wait...
they dont get anything worth leaking0 -
Telegraph now has a piece up, 'Diane Abbott - a history in hair'. Childish, but - fnarr.0
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He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overduercs1000 said:
Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?Alanbrooke said:
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won0 -
Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/8689240117277859850 -
JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.Prodicus said:
Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.
He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.
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Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.0 -
You can always tell when she's struggling .... the speech slows and the eyeballs go skywards.Yorkcity said:
Totally agree she seems different to her appearances on This week .In a boxing match you would throw the towel in to stop further punishment .I hope she is ok but as you say it reminds me of Charles Kennedy when the Lib Dems asked him to stand down.Norm said:
I know This Week isn't that much of a guide but when she regularly appeared on there up to a few years ago she was quick-witted, knowledgeable and a fair match for Portillo and Andrew Neil. 2017 has been disastrous for her starting with the infamous missed vote a couple of months ago. What is it - drink, an unspecified illness I don't know but even the Corbynistas must realise she's a massive liability. Amber Rudd knocked spots off her shortly afterwardskle4 said:
Maybe she is actually knowledgeable? Just not quick witted?Nemtynakht said:She has a degree from Cambridge!
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I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana.Alanbrooke said:
He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overduercs1000 said:
Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?Alanbrooke said:
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won0 -
America is strange, strange place.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html0 -
Corbyn - beard stroking, Abbott - tv, McDonnell - economics. That was the deal.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.
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Not bad, not bad. Axis askew, poor proportions, 'Ruth Davidson's candidate', questionably applicable voting data.calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/8689240117277859850 -
rcs1000 said:
I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana.Alanbrooke said:
He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overduercs1000 said:
Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?Alanbrooke said:
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
clearly it has but Germany more sorcs1000 said:
I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana.Alanbrooke said:
He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overduercs1000 said:
Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?Alanbrooke said:
depends what you mean by reliableAlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so
on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
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"Reliable" seems to mean being in an organisation which has aims that we oppose and biting our tongue. If that's what Merkel means she is right, and I'm delighted we are unreliable and the more unreliable the better.Alanbrooke said:
chortleScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897SeanT said:Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
because of course they didnt alienate us0 -
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.0 -
Perhaps you mean 'would', not 'will'? ;-)Omnium said:
JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.Prodicus said:
Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.foxinsoxuk said:
It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.MarkHopkins said:surbiton said:I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.
Doesn't change what he is though.
National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.
Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.
He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.
He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.
I do not know of someone less suited to be PM. (Perhaps David Icke)0 -
Ha, yes I remember that one. Luckily for Sato's future career, they don't race ovals in the rain.tlg86 said:
I saw him crash into Michael Schumacher at Spa in 2005. I punched the air in delight much to the anger of the Ferrari fans around me!Sandpit said:
Yep, lovely guy. Great third place as well from Dubai-based British rookie Ed Jones.tlg86 said:Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.
Commentator points out that Sato used to be Jenson Button's BAR team mate a decade ago.0 -
Maybe that was the point of her remarks. They cannot rely on us continually funding our 2% whilst they shory chane the policy and the EU will have to find a few more billion oncw we leaveRoyalBlue said:
Power has gone to her head. It's rather cheeky of her to criticise the USA when her country doesn't pay its fair share towards NATO.Alanbrooke said:
I cant help but think her next term will be her downfallfoxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
shes just hung on too long0
