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  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.

    Can anyone remember an election like it?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The NUT video is at 1.3 million on FB too.

    Perhaps clictivism works.

    https://youtu.be/pM5uK3BvjY0
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.

    Can anyone remember an election like it?
    The last one, and the one before that, and the one before that.....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Blimey, Chiltern could win this!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,799
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.

    Can anyone remember an election like it?
    2015? :p
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,343
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.

    Can anyone remember an election like it?
    Most of them. '92 - fear of Kinnock? '83 - fear of Foot? They both worked out well for the Government....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Chilton leads :D

    He's doing very well, but needs some yellows to help him.
    Preferably not while he's just leaving the pits though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    I cant help but think her next term will be her downfall

    shes just hung on too long
    Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.

    Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
    and like all forecasts at some point they will be correct

    all political careers end in failure
    But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.

    My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.

    No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
    Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apart
    A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?

    Blair, surely?
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    SeanT said:


    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?


    Easy - ignore the voters.
  • FernandoFernando Posts: 145
    Abbot is shadow Home Secretary so it would be rather unusual to prevent her talking about matters, like security, which she might one day control. Her best ploy would be to get ill again and go into quarantine.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 2017
    FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:

    https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/

    The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.
    People say stuff like that all the time. It isn't true. Their manifesto identifies 5 'giant challenges' facing the country (need for a strong economy, Brexit, social division, ageing society, fast changing technology) and offers what they say is a mainstream governing party which will work for ordinary people by addressing those challenges by steady as she goes policies for most things, and a few key interventions in other areas eg the social care stuff, energy caps etc etc.

    That offer might be uninspiring, it might even be bollocks, but it isn't just fear of the alternative - unlike the Labour manifesto (and especially the UKIP manifesto), the opposing party is not mentioned once in the Tory manifesto, and nor is Corbyn.

    Yes, their media campaign will focus mostly on Corbyn and how bad he is, particularly since the manifesto launch was so terrible, but it isn't true they aren't offering anything.

    Labour's manifesto by contrast is simultaneously depressing and hopeful, as it plays up the badness of the present situation even more, with direct reference to May, while offering a distinct and positive alternative. (The LD one is, typically, a bit in between, not being as bold in policy offer, but offering more change than the Tory one).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822

    The NUT video is at 1.3 million on FB too.

    Perhaps clictivism works.

    htt://youtu.be/pM5uK3BvjY0

    I guess their media officers deserve some champagne too.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    I cant help but think her next term will be her downfall

    shes just hung on too long
    Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.

    Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
    and like all forecasts at some point they will be correct

    all political careers end in failure
    But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.

    My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.

    No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
    Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apart
    A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?

    Blair, surely?
    1987, surely?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    FF43 said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    I cant help but think her next term will be her downfall

    shes just hung on too long
    Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.

    Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
    and like all forecasts at some point they will be correct

    all political careers end in failure
    As we all know the Roman Empire declined and fell. They had 700 years of hegemony first. Which is a good innings.
    Germany has never run a successful empire
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    I cant help but think her next term will be her downfall

    shes just hung on too long
    Forecasts of doom for Merkel, The Eurozone and the EU are as perennial on PB as ever.

    Strangely, always at some indeterminate time in the future...
    and like all forecasts at some point they will be correct

    all political careers end in failure
    But not yet. She will stay as Chancellor for the forseable. She is a formidable Iron Lady.

    My point is that this is the backdrop to our opening Brexit talks.

    No deal nailed on IMO. Perhaps DD should do some contingency planning before it hits. Just friendly advice.
    Thatcher was at the height of her powers when she won in 1997, then it all fell apart
    A touch too much sun, Mr Brooke?

    Blair, surely?
    a yes wrong date should be 87
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Alonso engine failure!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Chameleon said:

    Also, with reference to the thread header, I'm seeing an awful lot of Diane Abbott 'memes' being shared on Facebook.

    Any positive for her?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822

    FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:

    https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/

    The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....

    I find the Abbott one even harsher on her, and more effective, than the Corbyn one, strangely enough. The lack of Corbyn's soothing manner really hinders her looking offended by the questions.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:

    https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/

    82,000 - put on 5,000 in 6 minutes.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited May 2017
    Alonso out with a blown engine. :(
    Great effort though, hope he does this again next year. Getting a massive round of applause from the crowd, glad to see they appreciate him.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.

    ROFL

    yes best leader ever
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    The Corbyn FB attack ad is now rapidly heading to 2.2m views. It might reach 3m this week. That's seriously impressive. Someone is getting a gold star.

    It could yet prove the Miliband-in-Salmond's-pocket of this election.

    Everything that makes you queasy about voting Labour.
    This election is depressing.

    The governing party have nothing to offer except fear of the alternative.

    Can anyone remember an election like it?
    Most of them. '92 - fear of Kinnock? '83 - fear of Foot? They both worked out well for the Government....
    True even 97 devil eyed Blair and 2015 you could not trust Milliband on defence and trident because he backstabbed his brother.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Sandpit said:

    Alonso out with a blown engine. :(
    Great effort though, hope he does this again next year.

    Yes, he's done really well. That last yellow as just right for Chiltern, it kept him out front. He has a real chance here.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited May 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Alonso out with a blown engine. :(
    Great effort though, hope he does this again next year.

    Yes, he's done really well. That last yellow as just right for Chiltern, it kept him out front. He has a real chance here.
    Chilton came out just in front of the pace car to stay on the lead lap, was very close to going a lap down but it played out to his advantage.

    Shame Alonso's engine could only go 450 miles.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    And there's the crash that takes out half the field with 15 laps to go!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Sandpit said:

    And there's the crash that takes out half the field with 15 laps to go!

    My man Hildebrand is still going, but I don't think he has the pace to challenge.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.

    Yes - he is a kinder, gentler sort of terrorist appeaser than he was 30 years ago.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    And there's the crash that takes out half the field with 15 laps to go!

    My man Hildebrand is still going, but I don't think he has the pace to challenge.
    I've got a couple of quid on him, so hope he wins now!
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    SLAB finally reach acceptance that JC is their leader !
    https://twitter.com/scottishlabour/status/868915348816502784
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.
    The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

    It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.
  • I wonder what Trump thought about Merkel referring to the U.S. as being "unreliable" (along with the U.K) during the very same week in which he tried to engineer a bi-lateral trade deal with Germany and had to be told 11 times that any such deal had to to be with the entire EU.
    A shocking lack of knowledge on the President's part it has to be said.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Jason said:

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.

    Yes - he is a kinder, gentler sort of terrorist appeaser than he was 30 years ago.
    He is getting under your skin, isn't he ? You are even thinking about him in your sleep.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,112

    FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:

    https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/

    The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....

    Wow - that is a car crash interview for Abbot. Hilarious.

    This will win us 25 more marginals IMHO.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I wonder what Trump thought about Merkel referring to the U.S. as being "unreliable" (along with the U.K) during the very same week in which he tried to engineer a bi-lateral trade deal with Germany and had to be told 11 times that any such deal had to to be with the entire EU.
    A shocking lack of knowledge on the President's part it has to be said.

    He is a complete idiot. This Russia thing gets more and more unbelievable. Why would Kushner want to set up a separate secret channel with Russia using their network ? Mind boggles !
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    calum said:
    Is he in need of social care, or just a good optician?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Mortimer said:

    FPT - the Abbot Facebook ad is now up to 77,000 views in not much over an hour:

    https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155032929929279/

    The Corbyn ad has sailed past 2.2 million....

    Wow - that is a car crash interview for Abbot. Hilarious.

    This will win us 25 more marginals IMHO.
    No, I think 650.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.

    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?
    Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the polls
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.
    The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.
    Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.

    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?
    Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the polls
    Is Le Pen still leading?

    :-)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The CCHQ is plugging this one to make us think she has something in her. This will not hit 2.2m.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822
    edited May 2017

    calum said:
    Is he in need of social care, or just a good optician?
    I think he likes her policies. Well, one of them.

    He also criticised Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn over his plans to tax the rich.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,799

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.

    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?
    Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the polls
    Is Le Pen still leading?

    :-)
    It does look pretty tight in Italy. I think the winner of the popular vote gets a top up of MPs in the lower house:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.

    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?
    Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the polls
    Is Le Pen still leading?

    :-)
    The first round results are not out yet !
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.
    The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.
    Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%
    I was referring to Germany.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    OK my final post about the Corbyn attack ad: it reached 2m at 4.45 this afternoon, it has just put on the next 250k in 4 and a quarter hours.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    Brexit has united the elite in Europe and they are going to make another significant push for proper Federalism. Including Treaty change. Non-eurozone members will be told to get in the euro, and quick, or get out.

    It is the one best option for the EU in the long term. Trouble is I don't think many of the voters want it. The Dutch definitely don't. The French voters probably don't. Germans don't want to pay the debts of the PIIGS.

    How do they square the circle?
    Italy next year will be the big challenge for the EU with Beppe Grillo's 5* leading half the polls
    Is Le Pen still leading?

    :-)
    She did win most regions in round 1 but there is a difference between France and Italy in that Forza Italia and the Northern League would prefer Grillo over Renzi potentially giving him a majority while Les Republicains would not touch Le Pen with a bargepole
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    edited May 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.

    Yep, lovely guy. Great third place as well from Dubai-based British rookie Ed Jones.

    Commentator points out that Sato used to be Jenson Button's BAR team mate a decade ago.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

    It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.
    Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.

    National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.

    Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.


  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    HYUFD said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    However that stat isn't the same thing. Public Schools here broadly educate the Cameron's of this world and also the 'Tim nice, but Dim' people of this world. The Camerons go out and find their fate in Universities, and the latter used to have an incredible hand-me-down route into the military and the civil service.
    The article is from a socialist perspective, but makes the case that the private schools are not academically better than the state schools. The advantage is seen as social and networking.
    Just under 40% of A grades at A Level come from private schools but they educate just 7%
    I was referring to Germany.
    Apologies but of course Germany has academically selective Gymnasiums in the state sector and there are many more of them there than there are grammar schools in the UK
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.

    Yep, lovely guy. Great third place as well from Dubai-based British rookie Ed Jones.

    Commentator points out that Sato used to be Jenson Button's BAR team mate a decade ago.
    I saw him crash into Michael Schumacher at Spa in 2005. I punched the air in delight much to the anger of the Ferrari fans around me!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,799

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    The SPD slump is quite remarkable.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    SeanT said:

    Omnium said:

    surbiton said:

    Why are there no public schools as we understand them in Germany ?

    The demographic of potential pupils ceased to exist - they fought bravely and died. I don't know if there were such institutions pre-1914, or even pre-1939.
    The most recent figure that I can find for private education in Germany is 7.7% of pupils but growing quickly. I think this is much the same as the UK.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/priv-j05.html?view=article_mobile
    Germany definitely has a vestigial class system. The Vons and all that. Posh Germans tend to be Anglophile (or they were until Brexit) - they dress like English country gents, with added Italian cashmere.

    Their class system is less nuanced and elaborate than ours, and not as rigid as the French, but it is there.
    Living In Germany in the mid 80's I saw the (recently reformed I was told) university duelling club members. Sabre scars and all. I was open mouthed, but there it was before my own eyes.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    edited May 2017
    surbiton said:

    Jason said:

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.

    Yes - he is a kinder, gentler sort of terrorist appeaser than he was 30 years ago.
    He is getting under your skin, isn't he ? You are even thinking about him in your sleep.
    Are you thinking about me in your sleep?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    RobD said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    The SPD slump is quite remarkable.
    Not really. Martin Schulz got an initial bounce, then normality reasserted itself. Angela Merkel is stupendously popular.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.

    https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
    It always was thus, the exception was that we were like an unhappy grumpy old man moaning about the way the EU was going but still getting dragged around with them rather than doing what we want ourselves. Now we're rejuvenating and standing up for ourselves, not being "reliable" for the Germans is the way we always should have been.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
    I would suggest Trudeau's Canada feels closer to Merkel's EU than Trump's US and Norway and Switzerland are both outside the EU just as the UK will be, maybe joined by Sweden and Denmark too if the EU and Eurozone become identical
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.

    https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897
    chortle

    because of course they didnt alienate us
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,343

    On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.

    Waiting for McDonnell to put himself above the parapet for the questioning about his views on the IRA.....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.

    https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897
    Good!

    Or was "reliably" giving away much of our rebate for sod all in return like Bad Al's mate did as PM the way you'd rather we act?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    Don't know exactly how many Tory attack ads there are but one of my friends is endlessly pumping out "Another Angry Voice" and "Canary" stuff !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822

    On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.

    But she's the worst of them, there are still a few others who could be used.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
    Those first five in five different directions. That was settled in 1926 so far as Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand are concerned.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Which of our EU neighbours leaked all of the Manchester intelligence to the press?

    Oh, wait...
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,112
    SeanT said:
    It's been working all along on a slow burn.

    The social care wobble was only witnessed in the polls - and the journo bubble who wanted to see a problem...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Prodicus said:

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

    It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.
    Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.

    National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.

    Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.


    I don't disagree, but currently it is campaigning that matters.

    He should go to the leaders debate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,864

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
    Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    Scott_P said:

    Which of our EU neighbours leaked all of the Manchester intelligence to the press?

    Oh, wait...

    LOL

    they dont get anything worth leaking
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Telegraph now has a piece up, 'Diane Abbott - a history in hair'. Childish, but - fnarr.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    edited May 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
    Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
    He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overdue
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !

    https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:
    It's been working all along on a slow burn.

    The social care wobble was only witnessed in the polls - and the journo bubble who wanted to see a problem...
    The saying "a week is a long time in politics" has rarely felt so true.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    Prodicus said:

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

    It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.
    Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.

    National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.

    Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.


    JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.

    He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.

    He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.

    I do not know of someone less suited to be PM. (Perhaps David Icke)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,864
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
    Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.
  • Yorkcity said:

    Norm said:

    kle4 said:

    She has a degree from Cambridge!

    Maybe she is actually knowledgeable? Just not quick witted?
    I know This Week isn't that much of a guide but when she regularly appeared on there up to a few years ago she was quick-witted, knowledgeable and a fair match for Portillo and Andrew Neil. 2017 has been disastrous for her starting with the infamous missed vote a couple of months ago. What is it - drink, an unspecified illness I don't know but even the Corbynistas must realise she's a massive liability. Amber Rudd knocked spots off her shortly afterwards
    Totally agree she seems different to her appearances on This week .In a boxing match you would throw the towel in to stop further punishment .I hope she is ok but as you say it reminds me of Charles Kennedy when the Lib Dems asked him to stand down.
    You can always tell when she's struggling .... the speech slows and the eyeballs go skywards.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,864

    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
    Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
    He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overdue
    I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana​.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    On topic, Jeremy Corbyn has very few people he can put out who will be loyal. That's why Diane Abbott is seen so often. There aren't enough options.

    Corbyn - beard stroking, Abbott - tv, McDonnell - economics. That was the deal.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,822
    calum said:

    Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !

    https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985

    Not bad, not bad. Axis askew, poor proportions, 'Ruth Davidson's candidate', questionably applicable voting data.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
    Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
    He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overdue
    I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana​.
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    depends what you mean by reliable

    if you mean keep paying for defence while germany avoids all the hard compromises I suppose so

    on the other hand if she now has to up defencse spending to Nato levels and forces the rest to do so, Trump has sort of won
    Will he have won? Or will he suddenly feel threatened as the Germans, and others, are now able to flex their military muscles?
    He'll simple disengage and let the EU defend itself, something thats long overdue
    I think it's naive to think the US has not benefited from Psx Americana​.
    clearly it has but Germany more so

    Now that Europe is slipping down the pecking order its more of a sign of Europes relative importance
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.

    https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/868874383468752897
    chortle

    because of course they didnt alienate us
    "Reliable" seems to mean being in an organisation which has aims that we oppose and biting our tongue. If that's what Merkel means she is right, and I'm delighted we are unreliable and the more unreliable the better.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.

    She's right as well, isn't she?
    Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.

    USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
    Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.
    New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.

    We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    edited May 2017
    Omnium said:

    Prodicus said:

    surbiton said:

    I have to admit this now: Corbyn has become a very good public speaker. 30 years ago, he was a shouting sloganizing speaker. Now he is more sedate and softer.


    I suspect he has had a lot of media training recently.

    Doesn't change what he is though.

    It is more that he has been on the stump and at hustings for 24 months. He is match fit, while May is not.
    Campaigning is Mr Corbyn's metier. It more in less defines what he is, and his career. A street corner orator. Very good at it. Speaker's Corner superstar, in another age.

    National/parliamentary leader, working with international heavyweights to shape national and international events while keeping the people secure and well-fed? In wartime, maybe? Not so much. He is not even a parliamentarian like Foot or Benn Snr.

    Ability to govern and govern well, and being willing to account for yourself honourably in and to Parliament, is far, far more important than pandering to crowds with sound and fury signifying nothing of any actual use to society.


    JC is the dimmest person to ever aspire to political office. He's a fool, a street corner prankster, and very bad at pranks.

    He cannot claim to have the qualities to govern, he cannot claim to have the attributes to run a sweet-shop.

    He will pander to crowds, he will bow to threats, he will be weak when strength is required, and he will misrepresent and undermine our society at every step.

    I do not know of someone less suited to be PM. (Perhaps David Icke)
    Perhaps you mean 'would', not 'will'? ;-)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Great drive by Sato, delighted for him.

    Yep, lovely guy. Great third place as well from Dubai-based British rookie Ed Jones.

    Commentator points out that Sato used to be Jenson Button's BAR team mate a decade ago.
    I saw him crash into Michael Schumacher at Spa in 2005. I punched the air in delight much to the anger of the Ferrari fans around me!
    Ha, yes I remember that one. Luckily for Sato's future career, they don't race ovals in the rain.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    RoyalBlue said:

    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058

    An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.

    I cant help but think her next term will be her downfall

    shes just hung on too long
    Power has gone to her head. It's rather cheeky of her to criticise the USA when her country doesn't pay its fair share towards NATO.
    Maybe that was the point of her remarks. They cannot rely on us continually funding our 2% whilst they shory chane the policy and the EU will have to find a few more billion oncw we leave
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