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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,220
    Trump is a "post turtle"

    "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there and he's been elevated beyond his ability to function".

    Mind you, the same could be said of Corbyn.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Good evening, Miss JGP.

    Mr. 1000, I hope that stays yellow. As that gets me more profit.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Charles said:

    Where's Ratty?

    He's in the distant background holding his stomach and rolling about with laughter I expect.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EmmaVigeland: #BREAKING: @thehill reports that Rep. @justinamash (MI) is the first Republican to express support for impeachment if Comey's memo is true
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    I'm not sure I want to eat Trump Toast. Bit slimy.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,220
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.

    There are two for Labour in my street. Mind you, one is next to a "For Sale" sign which seems appropriate.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    chestnut said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    How many elections can Sinn Féin fight in one year?
    So they have a realistic shot at tea chuck ?
    Nah. But they can cause problems for Brexit, hard border, and Northern Ireland to have special status in the EU.
    http://www.newstalk.com/French-farm-lobby-calls-for-hard-border-in-Ireland

    Ireland's biggest problem is going to be the EU.
    Political pressure that a customs border needs proper controls just strengthens the case for Northern Ireland being inside the EU customs union rather than outside it.
    why ?

    if youre an NI farmer you have massive access to a local market which has just lost a slab of imports

    better volumes, higher prices more flexible subsidies

    if youre Monaghan Mushrooms in the RoI you get sacrificed on the altar of french farmers
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Toms said:

    He's in the distant background holding his stomach and rolling about with laughter I expect.

    Who do you think is operating the toaster?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    For those wanting to back up their LD seats predictions the latest spreads look good value

    On SportingIndex SELL 14 BUY 17
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    I sold the Lib Dems in the early 20s.

    I hope you and all PBers followed my advice to buy the Tories at 378?

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/04/23/why-a-1997-style-landslide-or-even-a-1983-style-landslide-might-not-happen-but-maybe-a-2005-style-majority-of-66-will/
    I sold at 21 seats but will buy when the price moves to what I think is value. We are not there yet.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,082
    edited May 2017
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Depends which subsample, TNS and Yougov both had the SNP on about 40% and the last full Scottish poll had the SNP on 41%, based on local election results the SNP should be under 50 seats though over 45
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    edited May 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    Croydon Central for starters.

    Edit - Well it is London.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tory candidate in Aberdeen North

    @Grace_E_OKeeffe: Absolutely shocking by Labour. Punishing their own cllrs for preventing the SNP from taking power. #GE2017 https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/864878760008593410
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Depends which subsample
    Indeed, that's why I'm not certain about that yet.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    Croydon Central for starters.

    Edit - Well it is London.
    That's about it though. EcAA might be a Lab hold that will feel like a gain to them
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited May 2017
    Things must be serious for The Donald... He's not tweeted all day... :open_mouth:
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Oh dear.....is this the last we'll hear of sermons on Mrs May screening questions?

    Campaigning in East Lothian, Ms Sturgeon was asked by the BBC about the case after SNP minders blocked press reporters from asking what the First Minister knew and when.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15291250.Nicola_Sturgeon_back_SNP_candidate_at_centre_of_legal_watchdog_probe/?ref=twtrec
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Seems possible if the tactical voting is good enough, they are just much better at concentrating support in Scotland it seems (it's terrible in Wales and pretty awful in England it seems), on similar percentages.

    My concern is that the scottish unionists who are wanting to vote tactically are doing so in a sort of phony war, they have to do it when the parties they really back are not openly (as far as I know) admitting it would be good for all of them, and so the effect will to some degree be reduced from what it could be. And of course the East Ren situation, where they parties are openly arguing about who has the best shot.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    Croydon Central for starters.

    Edit - Well it is London.
    That's about it though. EcAA might be a Lab hold that will feel like a gain to them
    Ditto Hampstead and Kiliburn and Westminster North?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Me too.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,218

    I wouldn't normally comment on a politician's clothing, but I do like these shoes.

    It's nice that Boris dressed up for the Gudwara, if only he'd kept his big, fat gob shut.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    No. The list of the most vulnerable London seats is as follows:

    Croydon Central (Con defence #3)
    Twickenham (20)
    Kingston & Surbiton (26)
    Sutton & Cheam (40)

    Harrow East, Enfield Southgate, Finchley & Golders Green and Chipping Barnet are all outside of the top 50 most vulnerable Conservative seats. The most vulnerable Con defence in central London would appear to be Kensington (128,) which would go to Labour on a swing of 10.6%.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Me too.
    It's not inconceivable that they get five North of the border if you see similar levels of tactical voting to last year.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Me too.
    Shall we get Shadsy to price up the odds?

    I remember quite a few successful 'tie' bets in 2015.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Incidentally, cheers to Mr. Pulpstar for his dual tip on Lib Dem seat bands (under 10 and 10-19). I was all green below 40 anyway but put on an extra bottle top on each. Odds have since gone well down.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Scott_P said:

    @OliverCooper: Suspended for forming a coalition with the Conservatives. Yet more proof that the only vote against the SNP is a vote for the @ScotTories. twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/s…

    What, no tweet yet from Ruthie ?
    Just this so far:

    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/864882368343101441
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    Scott_P said:

    Tory candidate in Aberdeen North

    @Grace_E_OKeeffe: Absolutely shocking by Labour. Punishing their own cllrs for preventing the SNP from taking power. #GE2017 https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/864878760008593410

    Preventing the SNP from taking power is not the key element, at least as far as I'm concerned. Local parties sometimes need to set aside bullshit and work together, even with people they'd rather not. Making it just flat out against the rules is unreasonable no matter who does it, to prevent no matter who.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101
    Should UKIP be declared a terrorist group?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-rifle-pick-up-uk-eu-withdrawal-ukip-leader-liberal-democrat-a7741331.html

    Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Me too.
    Two English seats probable holds (though not dead certs), the rest possible/probable losses or, in the fact of the LDs going nowhere and Tories surging, unlikely gains, and so a couple of gains maybe, at best. Scotland it is, remarkably.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532

    Should UKIP be declared a terrorist group?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-rifle-pick-up-uk-eu-withdrawal-ukip-leader-liberal-democrat-a7741331.html

    Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.

    Endorsing fascists, espousing Muslims bans, now this.

    Time for the remaining Kippers to don black shirts.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Mr. Eagles, I thought Farage had left UK politics behind...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.
    The only posters in Oadby (Harborough constituency) are LD. It is a safe Tory seat where they came 4th in 2015, albeit with a good council presence and previous second place. I think we are the only party that bothers nowadays.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Mr. Eagles, I thought Farage had left UK politics behind...

    Civil war is the continuation of politics by other means.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCPhilipSim: Scottish Labour has suspended all nine members of the party's group in Aberdeen "for breaching party rules" over council coalition deal.

    This doesn't bode well for tactical Unionist voting on June 8th does it?
    Probably not. Hopeful unionists are expecting a great deal from the scots, but there are several barriers. First, they have to even be amendable to doing so in large numbers, and while that might be the case, it won't be universal. Second, there is already uncertainty in some areas like East Renfrewshire which unionist party has the best chance, because of the third issue, which is as none of them are standing down for the others, there is no pact in place, you were already relying on the public independently deciding in enough numbers to make significant gains, to vote tactically even as the parties don't officially endorse the idea.

    That partisanship cannot be set aside even for local government arrangements, which for a system with such proportionality seems crazy, does not bode well at all. If the recent uptick in SNP subsample scores is reflected in reality (rather than subsample reality), then I'm feeling pretty confident about my SNP 50+ bet.
    Use the Holyrood elections as your guide to Unionist tactical voting and you won't go far wrong.

    I'm beginning to think that the LibDems may end up with more Scottish seats than English ones.
    Me too.
    I doubt it myself, but it's not wholly inconceivable. If the polls are to be believed (and I'm still not entirely convinced) then the Lib Dems' anti-Ukip strategy has completely failed, the party is being badly squeezed in England again, and the Welsh Lib Dems are in an even worse state.

    In Scotland, however, whilst they're still niche they do appear to have a role in the system - as the Unionist party for voters who are still so repelled by the Conservatives that they need an alternative (and which is also moderate, and thus can simultaneously appeal to ordinary Conservative voters to lend it their support in FPTP contests where their own preferred candidate is weak.) A worse than expected SNP performance could see the Lib Dems make four or possibly even five gains.
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    RobCRobC Posts: 398

    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    Croydon Central for starters.

    Edit - Well it is London.
    You can still get Croydon Central at 2/9 on Paddypower. Free money?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532

    Mr. Eagles, I thought Farage had left UK politics behind...

    I think Donald Trump considers Farage too extreme, so that's why we've got Farage back.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Mr. Z, very good.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    RobC said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Do the blues have any inner London seats vulnerable to Labour on a small swing ?

    In 83 Tories loss was Cathcart and a few other left trending cities.

    Croydon Central for starters.

    Edit - Well it is London.
    You can still get Croydon Central at 2/9 on Paddypower. Free money?
    I'm slightly biased towards Gavin Barwell, many expected him to lose in 2015 but he hung on, so I think he should hold on against Corbyn's Labour.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101
    Likely successor to Enda Kenny to push for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market:

    http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/varadkar-to-push-for-north-to-stay-in-single-market-if-he-wins-fg-race-35714653.html
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @maggieNYT: There is a shift in the senate, per ppl close to talks - concern moving among Rs to rip the Comey bandaid off quick before leg agenda sinks
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Just spotted that GfK published another poll this morning. I now make that 22 GB-wide surveys so far in May, of which all bar one have given the Conservatives a vote share of 46% or more.
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    franklynfranklyn Posts: 297
    In previous elections (even in 2015 when he lost) Simon Hughes' constituency was a sea of orange posters. Yesterday I saw none. It may reflect the fact that people don't do posters much these days, but doesn't bode well for him .
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.
    The only posters in Oadby (Harborough constituency) are LD. It is a safe Tory seat where they came 4th in 2015, albeit with a good council presence and previous second place. I think we are the only party that bothers nowadays.
    I think you're right - I've only seen Lib Dem posters in Colchester. Best odds you can get on Conservatives holding on are...1/8.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited May 2017

    Just spotted that GfK published another poll this morning. I now make that 22 GB-wide surveys so far in May, of which all bar one have given the Conservatives a vote share of 46% or more.

    Those 22 polls have UKIP on an average of 5.8%. Betfair has under 5% at 1.33, a 75% chance. Given those polls don't factor in the lack of seat the Kippers are standing in, I think you could shave 2% off their average and give that to the Cons
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    franklynfranklyn Posts: 297
    Can we have an update from Sean T on voting intentions in Neasden. I think today is the day he goes out to get his Giro and does his Lidl shop.
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    GasmanGasman Posts: 132

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.
    The only posters in Oadby (Harborough constituency) are LD. It is a safe Tory seat where they came 4th in 2015, albeit with a good council presence and previous second place. I think we are the only party that bothers nowadays.
    Haven't noticed any posters at all at the other end of that constituency, so could it be Lib Dems looking for the Leicester seats and getting lost?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:

    @maggieNYT: There is a shift in the senate, per ppl close to talks - concern moving among Rs to rip the Comey bandaid off quick before leg agenda sinks

    The important part of the "leg agenda" being tax cuts for billionaires.
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    franklyn said:

    In previous elections (even in 2015 when he lost) Simon Hughes' constituency was a sea of orange posters. Yesterday I saw none. It may reflect the fact that people don't do posters much these days, but doesn't bode well for him .

    Its all micro targeting on Facebook now. Better reach and cheaper than lots of posters.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Sean_F said:

    @MaxPB, thanks for your recommendation. I read The Witcher stories in about 4 weeks, and they are very good indeed. An excellent mix of comedy and horror.

    @Sean_F glad to hear you enjoyed themselves, AIUI the TV shows are set to be based on the 8 books written by the author so we should be in for a treat, assuming they don't completely buffer it up and get the casting right. Yennefer and Ciri are going to be the most difficult to cast and will require actresses with real ability.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    Typing 'Lib Dem manifesto' into google, the first result I get is an ad:

    The Lib Dem Manifesto - What You Need To Know - labour.org.uk‎
    Only Labour Can Provide The Real Opposition In This General election
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The important part of the "leg agenda" being tax cuts for billionaires.

    https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/864898641512857600
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Gasman said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.
    The only posters in Oadby (Harborough constituency) are LD. It is a safe Tory seat where they came 4th in 2015, albeit with a good council presence and previous second place. I think we are the only party that bothers nowadays.
    Haven't noticed any posters at all at the other end of that constituency, so could it be Lib Dems looking for the Leicester seats and getting lost?
    There are a couple on the London rd, one by Saisbury and another near the town centre, rather drunkenly in a hedge. I haven't seen any in Market Harborough for anyone.

    There are some Tory window posters on Beckingham rd near the tyre place. Not much sign of activity elsewhere.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Still not read any Witcher books (I have very little time for reading, and have just started a 96,000 word proofreading torture). And I don't have Netflix. Me miserum!
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    Gasman said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    Straw poll: How many seats are people expecting the tories to GAIN realisticly? I'm thinking it will be something like: 75-85 gains. I think Labour are being overestimated again.

    I think you're in the right ballpark there. Tories will gain from ALL other parties I expect though - not just Labour so could well be something like

    8 Gains from the SNP
    3 Gains from the Lib Dems
    1 Gain from Plaid
    80 Gains from Labour.
    Which of the four LD - Con marginals do you expect to remain in LD hands? Or are you reckoning they win Twickenham to bring it back to three net.
    As of right now ?

    Orkney
    Ceredigion
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield, Hallam


    Westmorland marginal.
    Cambridge marginal.
    That's four losses to the Conservatives if you include Richmond Upon Thames.

    Orkney & Shetland is as near a certainty as you're going to get, with a big swing to the LDs last year at Holyrood.

    Ceredgion could be lost, you know. Not likely, but by no means impossible.

    Both Leeds NW and Sheffield Hallam are vulnerable if the Labour Party really is polling 33% and the LDs 7%.
    Drove through Leeds North West today and in Headingley and Otley the only posters/placards are for Greg Mulholland. Then again, there was only about 8 of them.
    The only posters I've seen in Hampstead have been for the LibDems. And I'm fairly sure they're not going to win here.
    The only posters in Oadby (Harborough constituency) are LD. It is a safe Tory seat where they came 4th in 2015, albeit with a good council presence and previous second place. I think we are the only party that bothers nowadays.
    Haven't noticed any posters at all at the other end of that constituency, so could it be Lib Dems looking for the Leicester seats and getting lost?
    There are a couple on the London rd, one by Saisbury and another near the town centre, rather drunkenly in a hedge. I haven't seen any in Market Harborough for anyone.

    There are some Tory window posters on Beckingham rd near the tyre place. Not much sign of activity elsewhere.
    There are no Yvette Cooper posters in Normanton. Though I have seen some Mary Creagh Posters in Wakefield. Near the prison :)
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tory candidate in Aberdeen North

    @Grace_E_OKeeffe: Absolutely shocking by Labour. Punishing their own cllrs for preventing the SNP from taking power. #GE2017 https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/864878760008593410

    Preventing the SNP from taking power is not the key element, at least as far as I'm concerned. Local parties sometimes need to set aside bullshit and work together, even with people they'd rather not. Making it just flat out against the rules is unreasonable no matter who does it, to prevent no matter who.
    It's not flat out against the rules.
    It's the deal between the two parties that led to the suspension.
    No compulsory council redundancies is SLABS position.
    That was not guaranteed in this case.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    OUT said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tory candidate in Aberdeen North

    @Grace_E_OKeeffe: Absolutely shocking by Labour. Punishing their own cllrs for preventing the SNP from taking power. #GE2017 https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/864878760008593410

    Preventing the SNP from taking power is not the key element, at least as far as I'm concerned. Local parties sometimes need to set aside bullshit and work together, even with people they'd rather not. Making it just flat out against the rules is unreasonable no matter who does it, to prevent no matter who.
    It's not flat out against the rules.
    It's the deal between the two parties that led to the suspension.
    No compulsory council redundancies is SLABS position.
    That was not guaranteed in this case.
    Not quite as harsh then, but not by much- saying you cannot deviate from a position despite local circumstances, allowing local parties to decide if it is necessary in those local circumstances.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    Tory PEB all about May.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Barnier today:

    “We might be working on transitional measures post-Brexit, on a phasing-out period and a phasing-in towards the new relationship, but the real transition period is now, before exit,” he said. “I would like to recommend all economic players, all economic operators, to make use of this period, so that the day of this exit, probably March 2019, is as orderly as possible.”

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    Still not read any Witcher books (I have very little time for reading, and have just started a 96,000 word proofreading torture). And I don't have Netflix. Me miserum!

    Narcos, Stranger Things and House of Cards alone make Netflix worth while.
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    mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,144

    Still not read any Witcher books (I have very little time for reading, and have just started a 96,000 word proofreading torture). And I don't have Netflix. Me miserum!

    Narcos, Stranger Things and House of Cards alone make Netflix worth while.
    And my secret shame... The Good Wife.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184
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    mwadams said:

    Still not read any Witcher books (I have very little time for reading, and have just started a 96,000 word proofreading torture). And I don't have Netflix. Me miserum!

    Narcos, Stranger Things and House of Cards alone make Netflix worth while.
    And my secret shame... The Good Wife.
    The Good Wife is okay. So is Gotham.
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    Scott_P said:

    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184

    What did I say earlier about 70 gains - I may have called it too low!
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    franklyn said:

    In previous elections (even in 2015 when he lost) Simon Hughes' constituency was a sea of orange posters. Yesterday I saw none. It may reflect the fact that people don't do posters much these days, but doesn't bode well for him .

    Its all micro targeting on Facebook now. Better reach and cheaper than lots of posters.
    The targeting on possible with Online adverts is great but I'm not seeing it targeted very well this year. On Facebook, I'm getting adds for Labour, and on Non-Facebook sits, I'm getting lots of Lib Dem adverts. which considering I've liked A lode of Libertarian things on Facebook e.g. IEA, and visit a number of Libertarian websites sights, does make me wonder how much effort they are putting in.

    For what its worth I'm not seeing many Conservative adds ether. anybody else seeing political adds they where not expecting?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Told Labour support sent to seat were left gobsmacked at lack of canvassing data from last 20 years... V worried ab… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/864905098144743425
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    isam said:

    Just spotted that GfK published another poll this morning. I now make that 22 GB-wide surveys so far in May, of which all bar one have given the Conservatives a vote share of 46% or more.

    Those 22 polls have UKIP on an average of 5.8%. Betfair has under 5% at 1.33, a 75% chance. Given those polls don't factor in the lack of seat the Kippers are standing in, I think you could shave 2% off their average and give that to the Cons
    Ukip dropped like a stone just after the election was called, and have - if you examine weekly averages - been in continuous decline throughout the campaign. Given their withdrawal in so many seats, it now seems very unlikely indeed that they will make 5%. They probably won't even make 4% (context: the Greens polled about 1.15m votes last time, and that equated to 3.8% of the popular vote.)

    I think that a meaningful proportion of the remaining Ukip VI in the polls now comes from people who won't have a Ukip candidate to vote for on polling day, and probably won't realise this until they open their ballot papers and discover that their preferred party is missing. Quite a lot of snap decisions are going to be made in polling booths on this basis.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2017
    Crickey that lib dem launch party audience in East London is more white, male and uncool than a ukip party conference.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,656
    tlg86 said:

    Tory PEB all about May.

    I was watching Lucy on ITV...
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    tlg86 said:

    Tory PEB all about May.

    Saw something v briefly this evening ..My local MP has his name on adverts by the roadside...and I think it says something akin to Jerry Quin working with Theresa May. so name recognition added even in a ROCK SOLID Tory seat.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    WTF is the deal with the Lib Dem manifesto launch at a rave in East London?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Should UKIP be declared a terrorist group?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-rifle-pick-up-uk-eu-withdrawal-ukip-leader-liberal-democrat-a7741331.html

    Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.

    Endorsing fascists, espousing Muslims bans, now this.

    Time for the remaining Kippers to don black shirts.
    TSE getting dafter and dafter.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    tlg86 said:

    WTF is the deal with the Lib Dem manifesto launch at a rave in East London?

    It appears to be but all attendees are quite square looking 30 somethings.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952

    Crickey that lib dem launch party audience in East London is more white, male and uncool than a ukip party conference.

    Not representative of the area
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,921
    Scott_P said:

    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184

    There's a huge UKIP vote to squeeze there, and the Beast reportedly hasn't done a lot of work for a couple of decades - but surely it's unthinkable that somewhere like Bolsover could be in play for the Tories?
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    BigRich said:

    franklyn said:

    In previous elections (even in 2015 when he lost) Simon Hughes' constituency was a sea of orange posters. Yesterday I saw none. It may reflect the fact that people don't do posters much these days, but doesn't bode well for him .

    Its all micro targeting on Facebook now. Better reach and cheaper than lots of posters.
    The targeting on possible with Online adverts is great but I'm not seeing it targeted very well this year. On Facebook, I'm getting adds for Labour, and on Non-Facebook sits, I'm getting lots of Lib Dem adverts. which considering I've liked A lode of Libertarian things on Facebook e.g. IEA, and visit a number of Libertarian websites sights, does make me wonder how much effort they are putting in.

    For what its worth I'm not seeing many Conservative adds ether. anybody else seeing political adds they where not expecting?
    I'm not seeing any political ads. Plenty for the B&I lions though.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,656

    Should UKIP be declared a terrorist group?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-rifle-pick-up-uk-eu-withdrawal-ukip-leader-liberal-democrat-a7741331.html

    Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.

    ...

    Time for the remaining Kippers to don black shirts.
    A bit drastic, but that might get them an endorsement from The Daily Mail.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2017
    Sky news vox pops in wells and Yeovil not very keen on lib dem policy of another vote.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184

    There's a huge UKIP vote to squeeze there, and the Beast reportedly hasn't done a lot of work for a couple of decades - but surely it's unthinkable that somewhere like Bolsover could be in play for the Tories?
    But if you want to win votes then Grayling is not your man

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    isamisam Posts: 40,952

    Should UKIP be declared a terrorist group?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-rifle-pick-up-uk-eu-withdrawal-ukip-leader-liberal-democrat-a7741331.html

    Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.

    ...

    Time for the remaining Kippers to don black shirts.
    A bit drastic, but that might get them an endorsement from The Daily Mail.
    The expelled Kipper in Thurrock that used to organise Newham National Front is out campaigning for the Conservatives
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    isam said:

    Crickey that lib dem launch party audience in East London is more white, male and uncool than a ukip party conference.

    Not representative of the area
    where exactly is it? does anyone know?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Where's Ratty?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    fpt
    Eastwinger said:
    Chris Hanratty (UEA Election Forecast) reckons Norfolk will go completely blue. Norman Lamb 100% lose and Clive Lewis (Norwich South) 66% lose.


    Is Lewis citing this Hanratty analysis in his election collateral?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,656

    Sky news vox pops in wells and Yeovil not very keen on lib dem policy of another vote.

    Same with ITV interviewing students in Cheltenham.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Scott_P said:

    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184

    What did I say earlier about 70 gains - I may have called it too low!
    unsurprising news

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/864905781782745088
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Are we sure the sky cameras arent at a secret bananarama reunion gig?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
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    Bolsover 2015

    LAB
    22,542
    51.2%
    CON
    10,764
    24.5%
    UKIP
    9,228
    21.0%
    LIB
    1,464
    3.3%

    71% leave in the referendum. Would need all of UKIP to move straight to Tories and squeeze the labour vote. Its a WWC seat and if it falls then Labour are getting pounded like the French/Spanish fleet at Trafalgar.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    MTimT said:

    Where's Ratty?

    He died. Same as Marf's graphic skills.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,082

    Likely successor to Enda Kenny to push for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market:

    http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/varadkar-to-push-for-north-to-stay-in-single-market-if-he-wins-fg-race-35714653.html

    He may not win, although he leads with the Irish public as a whole Varadkar trails Housing Minister Simon Coveney with FG voters, although even he has accepted there may be customs checks at ports and airports
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Farron started well then he has gone all hyperbolic...End of the nhs, war with spain,...
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    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hzeffman: Tories sent a cabinet minister to campaign in Bolsover today. Yes, Dennis Skinner's Bolsover https://twitter.com/helenharrisonuk/status/864816150340829184

    There's a huge UKIP vote to squeeze there, and the Beast reportedly hasn't done a lot of work for a couple of decades - but surely it's unthinkable that somewhere like Bolsover could be in play for the Tories?
    But if you want to win votes then Grayling is not your man

    Swap Grayling for Fallon and your sentence still works :)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Sky news vox pops in wells and Yeovil not very keen on lib dem policy of another vote.

    Wells and Yeovil both have healthy Tory majorities now (about 5.5K and 7.5K respectively.) Mendip was split pretty much evenly in the EU referendum; South Somerset voted nearly 60:40 to Leave. Ukip was third in both seats in 2015 and has withdrawn in both seats this time around. The Lib Dems stand next to no chance of retaking either.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2017
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,290

    Sky news vox pops in wells and Yeovil not very keen on lib dem policy of another vote.

    Same with ITV interviewing students in Cheltenham.
    And BBC interviewing voters in SW London on BBC1 6pm News.

    I thought the BBC report on the LD manifesto was absolutely perfect for the Conservatives - taking about a 2nd EU referendum, votes at 16, cannabis - all things certain to repel Con supporters and firm up the Con vote.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,921

    BigRich said:

    franklyn said:

    In previous elections (even in 2015 when he lost) Simon Hughes' constituency was a sea of orange posters. Yesterday I saw none. It may reflect the fact that people don't do posters much these days, but doesn't bode well for him .

    Its all micro targeting on Facebook now. Better reach and cheaper than lots of posters.
    The targeting on possible with Online adverts is great but I'm not seeing it targeted very well this year. On Facebook, I'm getting adds for Labour, and on Non-Facebook sits, I'm getting lots of Lib Dem adverts. which considering I've liked A lode of Libertarian things on Facebook e.g. IEA, and visit a number of Libertarian websites sights, does make me wonder how much effort they are putting in.

    For what its worth I'm not seeing many Conservative adds ether. anybody else seeing political adds they where not expecting?
    I'm not seeing any political ads. Plenty for the B&I lions though.
    It will be interesting to see the different strategies at work with people reporting back what social media ads they come across.

    The Tories are going for as many seats as possible, so their targets will be those living in seats maybe 30-60 down the list, and a few either side aimed at known UKIP and Leave voters. If you're a Tory member in a safe seat you won't see any of this, probably don't even know it's happening.

    Labour, on the other hand, appear to be trying to maximise their vote total rather than seat total. Their messaging won't be as individually targeted, but will concentrate on areas of known support and core voters. Their opponents might describe it as the echo chamber. Their members in safe seats will be bombarded with ads and encouraged to share with all their like minded friends, so convinced they'll win that they can persuade some poor student to throw ten bags of sand at a bookie in support of the Messiah.
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    RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    MikeK said:

    MTimT said:

    Where's Ratty?

    He died. Same as Marf's graphic skills.
    I'm sure you wouldn't say it to her face, so why write it here?
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