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After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.0 -
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
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Dartmoor is pretty wild whatever you do to it, and domesticated animals have been there so long they are part of the picture. Without them the more invasive vegetation takes hold and crowds out species diversity (i.e. fewer types of natural vegetation and reduction of other species which live on or in what has been crowded out).BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...0 -
It will be easier to name all the Labour MPs too.GeoffM said:
After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.0 -
Gracias. Name rings a bell now. I know its not been many years since 'the great disaster', and they have struggled to get any airtime anyway, and probably they are focused on trying to work their own seats (they still aren't safe), but I feel weird that the most prominent one besides, or even over Farron, feels like Clegg, followed by Olney.tlg86 said:
Mulholland - Leeds NW.kle4 said:
It's the true test of the political wonk,The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.
Carmichael - the Orkney and Shetlands chap who leaked and lied
Brake - London, Leave area
Williams - Ceredigion
Pugh - The one I'd forget except he's standing down
Olney - newby
That gets us to 8, which means there's one person I am forgetting and feel bad for.0 -
Foot and mouth - 2001. Single Farm Payment Scheme - 2003.SandyRentool said:
It was only when there were no sheep on the fells due to foot and mouth that wild flowers actually had a chance to grow. Yes, it can go the other way and turn to scrub as you suggest, but that is where the subsidy policy should be aiming - to achieve a sustainable balance.Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...0 -
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...0 -
Three absurd mistakes in a single sentence. You're deteriorating again.SeanT said:
Luckily, you still get to vote for rabidly homophobic Viktor Orban, beloved president of your spiritual homeland, zero-immigration Hungary,AlastairMeeks said:I can't imagine blind party loyalty such that not being able to support a candidate of a particular party would be a wrench.
Mind you, it would be a truly exceptional Labour or Conservative candidate who would get my vote this time around.
Since you just said that you would happily vote for the John the Baptist of fascism, he's more your cup of tea anyway.0 -
It looks like Die Linke won't get 5% in North Rhine Westphalia, so the CDU and FDP will have a majority.0
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I forgot about Olney, which is a bit bad considering she only won her seat fairly recently!kle4 said:
It's the true test of the political wonk,The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.
Carmichael - the Orkney and Shetlands chap who leaked and lied
Brake - London, Leave area
Williams - Ceredigion
Pugh - The one I'd forget except he's standing down
Olney - newby
That gets us to 8, which means there's one person I am forgetting and feel bad for.
In a line up I'm sure I could pick out Clegg, Farron, Carmichael, Olney and probably Lamb. The others, no chance.
I'd not be able to pick out Brake, Carmichael etc in a line up.
The LDs have had a really unexciting, boring campaign so far. They'd actually be better off having Clegg as their leader again.0 -
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?0 -
You mean they will all just be referred to as Comrade?ydoethur said:
It will be easier to name all the Labour MPs too.GeoffM said:
After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.0 -
That tooSandyRentool said:
You mean they will all just be referred to as Comrade?ydoethur said:
It will be easier to name all the Labour MPs too.GeoffM said:
After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.
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Still no wild flowers - 2017.Ishmael_Z said:
Foot and mouth - 2001. Single Farm Payment Scheme - 2003.SandyRentool said:
It was only when there were no sheep on the fells due to foot and mouth that wild flowers actually had a chance to grow. Yes, it can go the other way and turn to scrub as you suggest, but that is where the subsidy policy should be aiming - to achieve a sustainable balance.Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...0 -
FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
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I posted two really good replies to you. But I won't repeat them here as on mature reflection I really must draw the line at asking somebody about which of the Big Four he favours. There may be children reading after all.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
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Thanks for the reply, my knolage expads every time I log on to PB!!Ishmael_Z said:
Dartmoor is pretty wild whatever you do to it, and domesticated animals have been there so long they are part of the picture. Without them the more invasive vegetation takes hold and crowds out species diversity (i.e. fewer types of natural vegetation and reduction of other species which live on or in what has been crowded out).BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
But seriously, are you shore you can use this, at best, marginal benefit to support massive subsidy's and unnesasrly high food prises?
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With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
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Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant0 -
Spitballing with very little local knowledge which could be crucial:GeoffM said:
After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.
Farron - some talk of potential challenge, particularly in the event of a blue tide, but probably safe
Brake - Leave area, but UKIP vote to squeeze. Seems a goner.
Lamb - Ditto.
Williams - LDs doing badly in Wales, PC candidate strong local candidate apparently. Probably safe though.
Carmichael - Very close last time, but historically very safe Liberal, Holyrood result strong for them. Despite liar case probably safe.
Mulholland - No UKIP, Tory surge(?), Labour doing ok in area (?), maybe three way marginal?
Pugh (not standing) - UKIP are standing, I'd read on here (I think) that locals were ok in the area, but was very tight last time. Possible loss, probable hold.
Olney - Depends entirely on how people feel about Zac. They previously voted him in massively when under the Tory brand. Probable loss.
Clegg - No tory tacticals to save him, depends if area which traditionally was tory/Liberal for 30 years sheds the big lab vote from last time. Probable hold, but still in danger.
So I think they may need 4-5 gains just to stand still.0 -
The Spectator are going way too far here.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes]
The Spectator isn't actually that bad as publication if you pretend that the only journalists that write for them are Cohen, Forsyth, Hardman, and of course Nelson.0 -
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.0 -
I can't see Labour falling that far, in a London seat. It was 47/28 last time.Omnium said:
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I think even Hague tried to win over more ethnic minority voters for the Tories. I LOL'd when I found out he went to Carnival!nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant0 -
Well, that's making me regret signing up to them after taking up their price offer to coincide with the election campaign.Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
hts://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
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Didn't he look good?The_Apocalypse said:
I think even Hague tried to win over more ethnic minority voters for the Tories. I LOL'd when I found out he went to Carnival!nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant0 -
Well that escalated pretty quickly.SeanT said:
Also: Woman On Top is THE way to break your penis, or snap your frenulum.The_Apocalypse said:
The Spectator are going way too far here.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes]
The Spectator isn't actually that bad as publication if you pretend that the only journalists that write for them are Cohen, Forsyth, Hardman, and of course Nelson.
AVOID.
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About 100 of the PLP!!!!!ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.0 -
It's historically part of the deal, and the less stock there is to eat vegetation down the more burning helps to do the same job. It is limited to times of year when birds aren't nesting, and what the objection is to it I don't really understand other than a feeling that you shouldn't set fire to Nature.SeanT said:
How do you feel about "swaling"? Serious question. I'm writing a thriller set on Dartmoor and swaling plays a significant role - I also know it is highly controversial....
Interesting sidelight on how subsidies affect things - some farmers would like to swale more than the National Park will let them - the temptation is to start a fire and blame it on anonymous arsonists - in order to stop that, a serious fire on your land disqualifies you from getting your Single Farm Payment that year *even if there is no evidence you started it*.0 -
OT, but with Labour and the SNP expected to lose some seats, depending on the Tory candidates, I wonder if we'll still have the gayest parliament in the world after June 8th.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/20/does-being-lgbt-hurt-your-chances-of-becoming-an-mp/#.WPke528kuIw.twitter0 -
TBH he looked hilarious.Sean_F said:
Didn't he look good?The_Apocalypse said:
I think even Hague tried to win over more ethnic minority voters for the Tories. I LOL'd when I found out he went to Carnival!nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
Then again I thought the same when Corbyn showed up to Carnival as well, and he'd be more popular with the people there.0 -
It's the name of the original Philip K Dick book which was adapted to become the film Blade Runnerydoethur said:
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.
If you ever win a pub quiz with that factoid as the tie-breaker then I'll happily take a thank-you beer from it!0 -
Well, the LNER were the company wot served Ilfordydoethur said:
I posted two really good replies to you. But I won't repeat them here as on mature reflection I really must draw the line at asking somebody about which of the Big Four he favours. There may be children reading after all.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes] 0 -
Blade Runner is based on PK Dick story "Do androids dream of electric sheep".ydoethur said:
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.0 -
I'm a big fan of Alex Massie.The_Apocalypse said:
The Spectator are going way too far here.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes]
The Spectator isn't actually that bad as publication if you pretend that the only journalists that write for them are Cohen, Forsyth, Hardman, and of course Nelson.0 -
Interesting that the Greens apparently had fewer Ethnic minority candidates standing last time as a percentage of the total than UKIP. The stats for this election should be interesting.
According to UCL's Parliamentary Candidates UK project, of the major parties, the major parties had the following percentages of black and ethnic minority candidates: the Conservatives 11%, the Liberal Democrats 10%, Labour 9%, UKIP 6%, the Greens 4%.[16] About 17% of the British population as a whole identifies as black or ethnic minority.[16] Neither UKIP nor the Greens selected a black or ethnic minority candidate to stand in a seat viewed as winnable.[16] The Green leader, Natalie Bennett, stated that "I would agree that our percentage of BME candidates is disappointing and it's something we very much want to focus on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_standing_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#Ethnic_background
In defence of the Greens, not many seats could be considered winnable for them in the first place.0 -
Come on BJO. I know that the PLP have collectively the spine of a jellyfish and the intellect of a moron, but saying two anonymous Liberal Democrats are worth 100 of them is going a bit far.bigjohnowls said:
About 100 of the PLP!!!!!ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.0 -
Probably more so.kle4 said:OT, but with Labour and the SNP expected to lose some seats, depending on the Tory candidates, I wonder if we'll still have the gayest parliament in the world after June 8th.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/20/does-being-lgbt-hurt-your-chances-of-becoming-an-mp/#.WPke528kuIw.twitter
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It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
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Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?GeoffM said:
It's the name of the original Philip K Dick book which was adapted to become the film Blade Runnerydoethur said:
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.
If you ever win a pub quiz with that factoid as the tie-breaker then I'll happily take a thank-you beer from it!
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.0 -
Yeah he's not too bad, although I haven't come across an article of his for the Spectator for a long time now. Doesn't help that they've limited the number of articles you can read on the site now.Pong said:
I'm a big fan of Alex Massie.The_Apocalypse said:
The Spectator are going way too far here.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes]
The Spectator isn't actually that bad as publication if you pretend that the only journalists that write for them are Cohen, Forsyth, Hardman, and of course Nelson.0 -
It's worse than I thought. It's horrible!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well, the LNER were the company wot served Ilfordydoethur said:
I posted two really good replies to you. But I won't repeat them here as on mature reflection I really must draw the line at asking somebody about which of the Big Four he favours. There may be children reading after all.Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
PMILF!!Theuniondivvie said:A kindred spirit for the PB Tessophiles.
https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/863386703003832320
[blushes]
I shall get an early night out of sheer disgust
Have a good week everyone.0 -
(comments based on my recollections from reading the story some while ago)ydoethur said:
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.
It didn't. Mr Dick's novel is certainly an enigma, and Blade Runner (the film) is a very peripheral interpretation. I think the film is brilliant, but somewhat disconnected from the source.
I presume that the 'sheep' bit is counting sheep, but the story leaves that wide open (and probably the other way).
I may have to re-read it now though to see if I missed something.0 -
Some of UKIP's seat selections defy all logic. For instance they're contesting Cities of London & Westminster where they polled about 5% last time but not Tamworth where they got almost 20%. They got over 10% there at the local elections a few days ago.0
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In terms of my own family and friends, I know of more BME voters that care about immigration and are eurosceptic (five) than those that care about the environment (basically one).kle4 said:Interesting that the Greens apparently had fewer Ethnic minority candidates standing last time as a percentage of the total than UKIP. The stats for this election should be interesting.
According to UCL's Parliamentary Candidates UK project, of the major parties, the major parties had the following percentages of black and ethnic minority candidates: the Conservatives 11%, the Liberal Democrats 10%, Labour 9%, UKIP 6%, the Greens 4%.[16] About 17% of the British population as a whole identifies as black or ethnic minority.[16] Neither UKIP nor the Greens selected a black or ethnic minority candidate to stand in a seat viewed as winnable.[16] The Green leader, Natalie Bennett, stated that "I would agree that our percentage of BME candidates is disappointing and it's something we very much want to focus on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_standing_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#Ethnic_background
In defence of the Greens, not many seats could be considered winnable for them in the first place.0 -
There's some people you can't win against - if you fell a tree for any reason whatever (including that it is an invasive weed, or diseased, or dangerous) they think you are murdering an entwife.SeanT said:
From my research, I tend to agree. And I suspect that some of the people who object to swaling might be the VERY same people who applaud, say, ancient Aboriginal practices of burning the land in Outback Australia, as a great example of primal, authentic, man-meets-Nature harmony.Ishmael_Z said:
It's historically part of the deal, and the less stock there is to eat vegetation down the more burning helps to do the same job. It is limited to times of year when birds aren't nesting, and what the objection is to it I don't really understand other than a feeling that you shouldn't set fire to Nature.SeanT said:
How do you feel about "swaling"? Serious question. I'm writing a thriller set on Dartmoor and swaling plays a significant role - I also know it is highly controversial....
Interesting sidelight on how subsidies affect things - some farmers would like to swale more than the National Park will let them - the temptation is to start a fire and blame it on anonymous arsonists - in order to stop that, a serious fire on your land disqualifies you from getting your Single Farm Payment that year *even if there is no evidence you started it*.0 -
Labour MPs don't know how many of them will survive.
But then again, who does?
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Can you imagine if Carmichael was the only LD standing after the election! Liar-Leader.....kle4 said:
Spitballing with very little local knowledge which could be crucial:GeoffM said:
After next month you won't need to remember a few of those either.ydoethur said:
Tom Brake, Sarah Olney, Mark Williams, Alistair Carmichael are four of them. Can't remember the other two off-hand.The_Apocalypse said:I wouldn't vote for Kate Hoey.
I wouldn't mind voting for Soubry, Wollaston etc.
In regard to the LDs, I don't mind Clegg, or Norman Lamb. The other MPs beside Farron I can't recall.
Farron - some talk of potential challenge, particularly in the event of a blue tide, but probably safe
Brake - Leave area, but UKIP vote to squeeze. Seems a goner.
Lamb - Ditto.
Williams - LDs doing badly in Wales, PC candidate strong local candidate apparently. Probably safe though.
Carmichael - Very close last time, but historically very safe Liberal, Holyrood result strong for them. Despite liar case probably safe.
Mulholland - No UKIP, Tory surge(?), Labour doing ok in area (?), maybe three way marginal?
Pugh (not standing) - UKIP are standing, I'd read on here (I think) that locals were ok in the area, but was very tight last time. Possible loss, probable hold.
Olney - Depends entirely on how people feel about Zac. They previously voted him in massively when under the Tory brand. Probable loss.
Clegg - No tory tacticals to save him, depends if area which traditionally was tory/Liberal for 30 years sheds the big lab vote from last time. Probable hold, but still in danger.
So I think they may need 4-5 gains just to stand still.0 -
Given they are only going to start negotiations on the FTA after Brexit and it takes two or more years for national legislatures to ratify positions agreed by the EU Commission, Council and Parliament, I would say the chances are low that the FTA is sorted before the 3 year extension expires. Which suggests either the EU will have got what it wants from the extension and will cut us off, or more likely, there will be a negotiation on a further extension.Casino_Royale said:
I think the EU are keen for transition arrangements to last no longer than 3 years.FF43 said:
I think he made some decent points, particularly on linking Northern Ireland with agreed trade arrangements. He is flat wrong, however, on his suggestion that we will have a comprehensive trade agreement in place by the time we Brexit. There is no allowance in the EU position for one. Which means everything will hang on the "transition arrangements" - really partial and temporary extensions of the status quo, which he didn't mention at all and which make moot everything else he talked about.
The implication is that, thereafter, the new relationship would take effect. Else, we just hard-crash out, just 3 years later than we otherwise would have.
And about two months prior to GE2022.
The people on the previous thread here have got this wrong IMO. We're not talking about a single comprehensive deal that wraps everything up. We are talking about a series of phased negotiations that will last a decade or more. These will effectively be to the EU's programme and timeframes. They won't have a great sense of urgency about it, I suspect. It's the opposite of David Davis' claim on Peston's show that the UK will not be pressured to make a hasty agreement. We are the ones that should want this wrapped up as quickly as possibly, while the EU will take their time.-1 -
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
I would imagine they aren't selecting seats at all, as such. They're probably just sticking up candidates wherever they can find somebody willing to stand (it's possible that it may even be down to whether or not at least some of these candidates can help fund their own deposits - from what little I have heard it seems that the party may be close to broke.)AndyJS said:Some of UKIP's seat selections defy all logic. For instance they're contesting Cities of London & Westminster where they polled about 5% last time but not Tamworth where they got almost 20%. They got over 10% there at the local elections a few days ago.
Ukip is currently circling ever more rapidly around the plughole. If they're still around to contest the next general election after this one, it'll most likely be as one of the niche hard/far right-wing nationalist curiosities, like the BNP and the English Democrats.0 -
Had people up in arms about destruction of some land designated as ancient woodland as part of a quarry expansion not far from me. Now, the key issue was apparently to do with the soil structure and whether it could meaningfully be replaced once the quarry work was exhausted, as the actual trees in the area were non native trees planted as commercial woodland that had been before and were due to be felled and replanted for further felling in future, but a mass campaign still used images of ancient oak trees and the like when trying to stop it.Ishmael_Z said:
There's some people you can't win against - if you fell a tree for any reason whatever (including that it is an invasive weed, or diseased, or dangerous) they think you are murdering an entwife.SeanT said:
From my research, I tend to agree. And I suspect that some of the people who object to swaling might be the VERY same people who applaud, say, ancient Aboriginal practices of burning the land in Outback Australia, as a great example of primal, authentic, man-meets-Nature harmony.Ishmael_Z said:
It's historically part of the deal, and the less stock there is to eat vegetation down the more burning helps to do the same job. It is limited to times of year when birds aren't nesting, and what the objection is to it I don't really understand other than a feeling that you shouldn't set fire to Nature.SeanT said:
How do you feel about "swaling"? Serious question. I'm writing a thriller set on Dartmoor and swaling plays a significant role - I also know it is highly controversial....
Interesting sidelight on how subsidies affect things - some farmers would like to swale more than the National Park will let them - the temptation is to start a fire and blame it on anonymous arsonists - in order to stop that, a serious fire on your land disqualifies you from getting your Single Farm Payment that year *even if there is no evidence you started it*.0 -
The problem in Tamworth couldn't have been a shortage of candidates because as I said they had plenty of them for the local elections.Black_Rook said:
I would imagine they aren't selecting seats at all, as such. They're probably just sticking up candidates wherever they can find somebody willing to stand (it's possible that it may even be down to whether or not at least some of these candidates can help fund their own deposits - from what little I have heard it seems that the party may be close to broke.)AndyJS said:Some of UKIP's seat selections defy all logic. For instance they're contesting Cities of London & Westminster where they polled about 5% last time but not Tamworth where they got almost 20%. They got over 10% there at the local elections a few days ago.
Ukip is currently circling ever more rapidly around the plughole. If they're still around to contest the next general election after this one, it'll most likely be as one of the niche hard/far right-wing nationalist curiosities, like the BNP and the English Democrats.0 -
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.0 -
Are you confusing H&K with Golders Green, Nunu? I shouldn't have thought the number of Jewish votes in the former was exceptionally high. In any case the 'Jewish vote' is always difficult to assess because there are so many strands and contradictions. I certainly wouldn't see it as a kind of bloc vote.nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
We discussed the betting possibilities in H&K on an earlier thread and there was a general consensus amongst the punters that it should be filed under 'too difficult'. Tulip Siddiq was a 4/1 shot at the time and this was thought to be about right.0 -
I think that they are skint and rely on candidates to stump up their own deposits. It is making it all a bit haphazard.AndyJS said:Some of UKIP's seat selections defy all logic. For instance they're contesting Cities of London & Westminster where they polled about 5% last time but not Tamworth where they got almost 20%. They got over 10% there at the local elections a few days ago.
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SeanT was discussing perfect book titles a few weeks back, there's a rhythm to them apparently, at least in the bigger selling genres, and it seems notable to me that sci-fi titles are often completely random or metaphorical, and you can get through an entire book with barely a hint why it is called that sometimes.Ishmael_Z said:
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.
That said it throws up some interesting ones. Quite an odd little series was titled A Requiem for Homo Sapiens, and featured an organisation called the 'Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame' among others.0 -
What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
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I hear Abbott is a member of said order.kle4 said:
SeanT was discussing perfect book titles a few weeks back, there's a rhythm to them apparently, at least in the bigger selling genres, and it seems notable to me that sci-fi titles are often completely random or metaphorical, and you can get through an entire book with barely a hint why it is called that sometimes.Ishmael_Z said:
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.
That said it throws up some interesting ones. Quite an odd little series was titled A Requiem for Homo Sapiens, and featured an organisation called the 'Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame' among others.0 -
I may have missed something but isn't it simply a question of what makes one human and can androids have human tendencies. Are they equal or subservient? See also the paper deer in the film.Omnium said:
(comments based on my recollections from reading the story some while ago)ydoethur said:
I had no idea Blade Runner contained a scene where androids fantasise about sheep!GeoffM said:
With apologies - we re-watched Bladerunner yesterday so the reference is in my headydoethur said:
Only if they're made in the Forest of Dean.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
Now I must go and clean my rabbit's litter tray...
Or do you mean 'count' sheep?
I have clearly missed a vital part of my education.
It didn't. Mr Dick's novel is certainly an enigma, and Blade Runner (the film) is a very peripheral interpretation. I think the film is brilliant, but somewhat disconnected from the source.
I presume that the 'sheep' bit is counting sheep, but the story leaves that wide open (and probably the other way).
I may have to re-read it now though to see if I missed something.0 -
Dunno, Brake is in all sorts of trouble no matter how you look at Carshalton though.timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
https://twitter.com/Andy_Beadle/status/8638472547209994240 -
Just saw the Marr clip and I don't think it was nearly as bad for Fallon as has been suggested.
His Parliamentary delegation answer was perfectly adequate - people are going to 1,000 times more interested and concerned about Corbyn and the IRA.
Just getting Corbyn and the IRA being discussed on BBC1 is a massive negative for Labour - most people aren't following every detail - just the association is toxic.0 -
And a fucking hard read it is too.GeoffM said:
Do androids dream of electric sheep?ydoethur said:
When last I checked, sheep were part of nature. Android sheep never quite caught on.BigRich said:
And what is the bad side of letting some land be reoccupied by natcher, wiled animals and plants? possibly animals that on the verge of extinction, or have a limited habitat?Ishmael_Z said:
You are badly misinformed over this. Dartmoor where I live is in a very serious crisis of undergrazing: it is scarcely worthwhile to keep any form of stock on it, so no one does, vegetation gets out of control, and the natural paths made by sheep and cattle disappear. I believe the same is true elsewhere - the economics of farming Dartmoor are the economics of farming the Lake district.SandyRentool said:
Over grazing of upland areas.rcs1000 said:
Which specific destructive farming practice do you object to the EU subsidising?SandyRentool said:
As with so much of the EU, it hasn't worked.Ishmael_Z said:
FPT "Ending the handouts for environmentally destructive farming practices was one of the reasons I voted Leave." - the EU ended them in 2003 when it phased out crop subsidies in favour of the Single Farm Payment which explicitly prioritises preservation of the environment.SandyRentool said:
Our priest was no better. That's what made me an atheist. And a rabbit owner.GeoffM said:
It took ages to house-train our rabbi.MTimT said:
Had to do a double-take there. Thought it said rabbi ...SandyRentool said:First, like Portugal last night.
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I pretty much came to the same conclusion -MikeL said:Just saw the Marr clip and I don't think it was nearly as bad for Fallon as has been suggested.
His Parliamentary delegation answer was perfectly adequate - people are going to 1,000 times more interested and concerned about Corbyn and the IRA.
Just getting Corbyn and the IRA being discussed on BBC1 is a massive negative for Labour - most people aren't following every detail - just the association is toxic.
"The morning sofa discussion was a modest points win for Thornberry, and fair play to her for besting Fallon. But it takes the game onto ground that is utterly lethal for Labour.
I assume this was Fallon's job this morning."0 -
MPs do not have to perfectly represent the collective view of their constituents, it is not defying their will to take a different stance on some issues, where this is known (in most cases it would be hard to say with certainty, with Brexit there is much more, though not total, clarity). They will have to take a view if they feel his stances on other issues embody what they would like enough to outweigh that he is taking a stance against most of them here.timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
https://twitter.com/Andy_Beadle/status/863847254720999424
He's probably a goner though.
Farron, Williams, Carmichael and (probably) Mulholland and Clegg, may find themselves in a truly elite group - the absolute core of the LD parliamentary party, the few who managed to survive everything thrown at them across 2 elections in 2 years.0 -
You're right, I've just seen the seat is only 6.5% Jewish, thought it was a lot higher than that. Also yes they aren't a block vote.Peter_the_Punter said:
Are you confusing H&K with Golders Green, Nunu? I shouldn't have thought the number of Jewish votes in the former was exceptionally high. In any case the 'Jewish vote' is always difficult to assess because there are so many strands and contradictions. I certainly wouldn't see it as a kind of bloc vote.nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
We discussed the betting possibilities in H&K on an earlier thread and there was a general consensus amongst the punters that it should be filed under 'too difficult'. Tulip Siddiq was a 4/1 shot at the time and this was thought to be about right.0 -
If you want a dictatorship, it is marvellous.GeoffM said:
Strong and stable sounds great.Peter_the_Punter said:
Oh come on, Junius. Assad stands for strong and stable government.junius said:Which way do I vote ? For the policies which I support - but promoted by inadequate leaders - or for competent leaders - but promoting policies with which I disagree. Assad may be seen as a 'strong' leader - but I am more than hesitant about his policies. So - should weak leadership - but acceptable (or even desirable) policies win the day ?
What more could you want?0 -
No its the best for Brjtain decision to support 16 constituencies that i am talking about and what tge link is tokle4 said:
MPs do not have to perfectly represent the collective view of their constituents, it is not defying their will to take a different stance on some issues, where this is known (in most cases it would be hard to say with certainty, with Brexit there is much more, though not total, clarity). They will have to take a view if they feel his stances on other issues embody what they would like enough to outweigh that he is taking a stance against most of them here.timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
https://twitter.com/Andy_Beadle/status/863847254720999424
He's probably a goner though.0 -
In that case it's most likely to do with raising a deposit to fight a hopeless seat - the sitting Tory has a five-figure majority - leavened with the fact that he appears to have voted to Leave the EU anyway.AndyJS said:
The problem in Tamworth couldn't have been a shortage of candidates because as I said they had plenty of them for the local elections.Black_Rook said:
I would imagine they aren't selecting seats at all, as such. They're probably just sticking up candidates wherever they can find somebody willing to stand (it's possible that it may even be down to whether or not at least some of these candidates can help fund their own deposits - from what little I have heard it seems that the party may be close to broke.)AndyJS said:Some of UKIP's seat selections defy all logic. For instance they're contesting Cities of London & Westminster where they polled about 5% last time but not Tamworth where they got almost 20%. They got over 10% there at the local elections a few days ago.
Ukip is currently circling ever more rapidly around the plughole. If they're still around to contest the next general election after this one, it'll most likely be as one of the niche hard/far right-wing nationalist curiosities, like the BNP and the English Democrats.
(Leave sentiment is not necessarily decisive - my local Tory voted Remain and Ukip haven't bothered to put up a candidate around here, either.)0 -
The other thing is the money. The main consequence of Brexit for us internationally is a big loss of influence.. Money buys influence. We should get used to paying out in the new setup, and not just to the EU. If we are paying a big chunk of the EU budget so Germany doesn't have to and Poland gets more of the things they like, we become a lot more interesting to them. The EU maintains the fiction that this is money we owe them; we maintain the fiction that we don't owe them anything. Whereas what the EU really wants is a commitment to a fixed sum and we don't want to pay when we don't know what we getting in return. So our negotiations should drive towards the money going out on a recurring basis rather than in single lump sum (to keep our EU partners interested in our needs), as well as buying particular outcomes we would like.FF43 said:Given they are only going to start negotiations on the FTA after Brexit and it takes two or more years for national legislatures to ratify positions agreed by the EU Commission, Council and Parliament, I would say the chances are low that the FTA is sorted before the 3 year extension expires. Which suggests either the EU will have got what it wants from the extension and will cut us off, or more likely, there will be a negotiation on a further extension.
The people on the previous thread here have got this wrong IMO. We're not talking about a single comprehensive deal that wraps everything up. We are talking about a series of phased negotiations that will last a decade or more. These will effectively be to the EU's programme and timeframes. They won't have a great sense of urgency about it, I suspect. It's the opposite of David Davis' claim on Peston's show that the UK will not be pressured to make a hasty agreement. We are the ones that should want this wrapped up as quickly as possibly, while the EU will take their time.
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I would strongly, and I mean strongly, advise against tackling A Requiem for Homo Sapiens if you haven't already - it is months of your life you will not get back. The prequel Neverness is borderline readable, but don't be sucked in.kle4 said:
SeanT was discussing perfect book titles a few weeks back, there's a rhythm to them apparently, at least in the bigger selling genres, and it seems notable to me that sci-fi titles are often completely random or metaphorical, and you can get through an entire book with barely a hint why it is called that sometimes.Ishmael_Z said:
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.
That said it throws up some interesting ones. Quite an odd little series was titled A Requiem for Homo Sapiens, and featured an organisation called the 'Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame' among others.0 -
Already read it. I recall mostly enjoying it at the time, in a 'I've never read anything quite so out there as this' kind of way. Shows how conventional a lot of sci-fi stuff actually is (although also why some things are conventional for a reason).Ishmael_Z said:
I would strongly, and I mean strongly, advise against tackling A Requiem for Homo Sapiens if you haven't already - it is months of your life you will not get back. The prequel Neverness is borderline readable, but don't be sucked in.kle4 said:
SeanT was discussing perfect book titles a few weeks back, there's a rhythm to them apparently, at least in the bigger selling genres, and it seems notable to me that sci-fi titles are often completely random or metaphorical, and you can get through an entire book with barely a hint why it is called that sometimes.Ishmael_Z said:
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.
That said it throws up some interesting ones. Quite an odd little series was titled A Requiem for Homo Sapiens, and featured an organisation called the 'Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame' among others.0 -
naaaah..GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
LadyBucket
'Yes, I agree. Peston's tweet was extradionary, given David Davis came across as perfectly reasonable and confident. But then Peston is an arch-remainer.
David Davis made the point that the EU slows down considerably during the summer months, therefore, he and his team can get a lot more work done.'
Lots of gullible people, only a couple of years ago Labour were headed for a landslide according to twitter.0 -
Oh. First I've heard about them. Interesting only 3 sitting LD MPs met their requirements for this first batch, though I suppose more may follow, given this bit 'We have also given preference to candidates at threat from UKIP withdrawal from some parliamentary seats to lend support to other candidates'.timmo said:
No its the best for Brjtain decision to support 16 constituencies that i am talking about and what tge link is tokle4 said:
MPs do not have to perfectly represent the collective view of their constituents, it is not defying their will to take a different stance on some issues, where this is known (in most cases it would be hard to say with certainty, with Brexit there is much more, though not total, clarity). They will have to take a view if they feel his stances on other issues embody what they would like enough to outweigh that he is taking a stance against most of them here.timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
https://twitter.com/Andy_Beadle/status/863847254720999424
He's probably a goner though.0 -
The book is set in a post-apocalyptic future where animals are rare (nodded to by Rachel's owl in the movie).matt said:
I may have missed something but isn't it simply a question of what makes one human and can androids have human tendencies. Are they equal or subservient? See also the paper deer in the film.Omnium said:
(comments based on my recollections from reading the story some while ago)
It didn't. Mr Dick's novel is certainly an enigma, and Blade Runner (the film) is a very peripheral interpretation. I think the film is brilliant, but somewhat disconnected from the source.
I presume that the 'sheep' bit is counting sheep, but the story leaves that wide open (and probably the other way).
I may have to re-read it now though to see if I missed something.
It's considered your civic duty to keep at least one animal, the rarer the better. But because it's so expensive a lot of people keep an android one instead for appearance's sake.
The Deckard of the novel keeps an android sheep and often wonders if the sheep (and therefore his quarry) is alive or not.0 -
Peter_the_Punter said:
Are you confusing H&K with Golders Green, Nunu? I shouldn't have thought the number of Jewish votes in the former was exceptionally high. In any case the 'Jewish vote' is always difficult to assess because there are so many strands and contradictions. I certainly wouldn't see it as a kind of bloc vote.nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
We discussed the betting possibilities in H&K on an earlier thread and there was a general consensus amongst the punters that it should be filed under 'too difficult'. Tulip Siddiq was a 4/1 shot at the time and this was thought to be about right.
If Soubry is SDP, probably so was Harold Macmillan who presided as housing minister over the building of more council houses than Labour had promised to build. So was Ted Heath when he reorganised the Prices and Incomes Board into two bodies instead of abolishing it. Earlier on, maybe so was Baldwin who created the National Grid in 1926.GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
I expect Anna Soubry would have felt quite at home with Harold Macmillan, Ted Heath and Willie Whitelaw. The problem for her is that the Conservative Party has been taken over by right-wing hardliners and neo-Kippers. I think she is only just beginning to realise....GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
Soubry was the only Conservative in NUS Exec when I was a student in the late 1970's. As I live in a constituency like Surbiton [ i.e. Labour has close to zero chance of winning ], Soubry alongwith Ken Clarke are the only two Tories who I could consider voting for.GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
I'm a decided undecided, but I certainly won't vote Labour and not only because of Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/HandofGOD7/status/8636534762278543360 -
They were, as Nick so correctly pointed out earlier today, a bit like the CDU, i.e. pre-Thatcher Tories [ one nation ? ]rural_voter said:Peter_the_Punter said:
Are you confusing H&K with Golders Green, Nunu? I shouldn't have thought the number of Jewish votes in the former was exceptionally high. In any case the 'Jewish vote' is always difficult to assess because there are so many strands and contradictions. I certainly wouldn't see it as a kind of bloc vote.nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
We discussed the betting possibilities in H&K on an earlier thread and there was a general consensus amongst the punters that it should be filed under 'too difficult'. Tulip Siddiq was a 4/1 shot at the time and this was thought to be about right.
If Soubry is SDP, probably so was Harold Macmillan who presided as housing minister over the building of more council houses than Labour had promised to build. So was Ted Heath when he reorganised the Prices and Incomes Board into two bodies instead of abolishing it. Earlier on, maybe so was Baldwin who created the National Grid in 1926.GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
Well UKIP pulled out feom Carshalton but Brake so far has not wanted to even discuss Brexit in his leaflets so it probably suits him for this organisation to do it for himkle4 said:
Oh. First I've heard about them. Interesting only 3 sitting LD MPs met their requirements for this first batch, though I suppose more may follow, given this bit 'We have also given preference to candidates at threat from UKIP withdrawal from some parliamentary seats to lend support to other candidates'.timmo said:
No its the best for Brjtain decision to support 16 constituencies that i am talking about and what tge link is tokle4 said:
MPs do not have to perfectly represent the collective view of their constituents, it is not defying their will to take a different stance on some issues, where this is known (in most cases it would be hard to say with certainty, with Brexit there is much more, though not total, clarity). They will have to take a view if they feel his stances on other issues embody what they would like enough to outweigh that he is taking a stance against most of them here.timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
https://twitter.com/Andy_Beadle/status/863847254720999424
He's probably a goner though.0 -
The Kilburn part of the constituency is distinctly non-Jewish. Hampstead is of course more Jewish, but it is more notably very anti-Brexit. Tulip Siddiq would have no chance by all normal reckonings given the current national poll numbers and the state of the Labour Party, but the strength of pro-Remain feeling in London and her own constituency in particular gives her a bit of a squeak nevertheless.nunu said:
You're right, I've just seen the seat is only 6.5% Jewish, thought it was a lot higher than that. Also yes they aren't a block vote.Peter_the_Punter said:
Are you confusing H&K with Golders Green, Nunu? I shouldn't have thought the number of Jewish votes in the former was exceptionally high. In any case the 'Jewish vote' is always difficult to assess because there are so many strands and contradictions. I certainly wouldn't see it as a kind of bloc vote.nunu said:
Think she will win Hamstead and Kilburn, the tories have finally realised they need to win over more ethnic minority voters and I don't think many Jewish people will stick with Jeremy Corbyns labour party.timmo said:
Why Claire?rcs1000 said:There are three Conservative candidates I could not vote for:
David Tredinnick
Claire-Louise Leyland
Zac Goldsmith
Any other personal dislikes that would over-rule personal political preference out there?
I have always found her very pleasant
We discussed the betting possibilities in H&K on an earlier thread and there was a general consensus amongst the punters that it should be filed under 'too difficult'. Tulip Siddiq was a 4/1 shot at the time and this was thought to be about right.
I rate her chances about 20% - so 4/1 is about right.0 -
Who's calling the Tories (as a party) right wing hardliners? Hardly, my bucko; the blue right wing is a feeble thing and nothing to crow about.PClipp said:
I expect Anna Soubry would have felt quite at home with Harold Macmillan, Ted Heath and Willie Whitelaw. The problem for her is that the Conservative Party has been taken over by right-wing hardliners and neo-Kippers. I think she is only just beginning to realise....GeoffM said:
No. Soubry (it's Mrs - she's married, not a lesbian) is a lefty who accidentally pinned a blue rosette on in the dark and then wandered into a Tory selection meeting whilst looking for the village hall fete committee evening. She doesn't have a Conservative bone in her body.GIN1138 said:
It seems Ms Soubry is to Tories what Kate Hoey is to lefties...SquareRoot said:why is Ms Soubry disliked.. because she ousted NPEXMP? or because she is a remainer?
Kate Hoey has some very leftist views. Brexit was Labour Party policy in 1983. And she's unusual but not alone in Labour with her views on field sports.
Hoey is a bit of a maverick but she is in the right party. Soubry has the wrong rosette on.0 -
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Is he doing anything, Kate Hoey isn't ?timmo said:What do people think about this.. has it been discussed yet on this forum?
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Interesting (to me). It seems although Ken Clarke is the Father of the House, there is one MP who was elected prior to him, although not with uninterrupted service - David Winnick. Majority less than 2000.
Also, given how old some MPs are who are standing, presumably with the intention of a five year term, if Clarke were so bothered seems like he could stand in 2022 as well and it wouldn't be that unusual.0 -
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Consumer preferences are moving quickly in the US (last week I met with senior management of 2 of the top 4 veterinary antibiotic producers and seeing the other 2 at the end of the month)BigRich said:FPT:
If people given a free chose decide to by a good, any good, including bleached chickens, that then demonstrates that is there preferred option, and to stop then buying it is wrong IMO.MTimT said:
Argentina, New Zealand and Australia. Looking forward to it.tyson said:
The Time's piece also indicated that in an austerity dominant environment, it is dawning on farmers that their subsidies might be slightly less important than say the NHS...as said, sating the bleeding obvious...RobD said:
The government aren't going to continue with agricultural subsidies? I find that hard to imagine.tyson said:Following Peter the Punter's rather gallant efforts to try and state the bleeding obvious to Brexit ideologies, I was struck by a Time's piece this week.
Farmers now are realising that Brexit is utterly disastrous...not only will they lose vital subsidies and access to migrant Labour but they will be left completely exposed to the harshness of a market where standards outside the EU are piss poor...I could almost feel sorry for them if it wasn't for the fact that many of them supported Brexit, or like slaughtering wildlife, or both.....
Anyway the moral of the story is that we are dealing with morons who have no capacity for cognitive or intellectual debate such is their blind ideological prejudice....Brexit in a nutshell....
The good thing for free marketeers is that we will be able to flood our supermarkets with cheap meat from god knows where....
Oh! And I nearly forgot the bleached chickens from the US.
You may not like Bleached chickens, I may not like bleached chickens but we do not have the right to stop others buying bleached chickens.
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Not going to be particularly difficult for you to put the cross next to Lucy Powell is it ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/8638564559963668530 -
How is it an extension if it is guaranteeing rights they already have?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
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What must he be thinking right now?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
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What I'm reading and everyone on PB should read is "Sapiens - a brief history of humankind"kle4 said:
Already read it. I recall mostly enjoying it at the time, in a 'I've never read anything quite so out there as this' kind of way. Shows how conventional a lot of sci-fi stuff actually is (although also why some things are conventional for a reason).Ishmael_Z said:
I would strongly, and I mean strongly, advise against tackling A Requiem for Homo Sapiens if you haven't already - it is months of your life you will not get back. The prequel Neverness is borderline readable, but don't be sucked in.kle4 said:
SeanT was discussing perfect book titles a few weeks back, there's a rhythm to them apparently, at least in the bigger selling genres, and it seems notable to me that sci-fi titles are often completely random or metaphorical, and you can get through an entire book with barely a hint why it is called that sometimes.Ishmael_Z said:
Because there isn't enough trivia in the world - there is a scifi novel called "the Bladerunner" - Ridley Scott bought the rights to the title only (not the story) because he thought it was so cool. I think Scott was right - it trips off the tongue better than the Dick one.ydoethur said:
Ah, now I understand. Rather a surreal title. Was the good Mr Dick a Cinderford man?
Thank you to you and @Ishmael_Z for explaining.
That said it throws up some interesting ones. Quite an odd little series was titled A Requiem for Homo Sapiens, and featured an organisation called the 'Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame' among others.
by Yuval Noah Harari. It's brilliant and not at all the usual kind of history book.0 -
I vote Blue in Hallam, my 16/1 bet could be a winner.Pulpstar said:
Not going to be particularly difficult for you to put the cross next to Lucy Powell is it ?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/863856455996366853
Oh what a choice for us free market, Thatcherite socially liberal Tories to make.0 -
It's the bit about statutory rights for family care and training.RobD said:
How is it an extension if it is guaranteeing rights they already have?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
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It seems we have a cross between UKIP and Labour 2015... Blue Labour is not dead!!kle4 said:0 -
Anecdata sample of one.
Had a conversation with a smallish LL in Bolsover Constituency today. Tory voter deels sufficiently shafted by Osborne and friends (Stamp Duty, business costs taxed as income etc) that he is abstaining this time.0 -
Hm, but it's attached to the first bullet pointTheScreamingEagles said:
It's the bit about statutory rights for family care and training.RobD said:
How is it an extension if it is guaranteeing rights they already have?TheScreamingEagles said:She's going further than Ed Miliband
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