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I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.0 -
I'd go for hapless - its what a lot of people already think, and it was silly when they went from Ed M being a figure of fun then menace in the span of a week, it will be much harder with Corbyn, even though he probably would be a lot more dangerous were he ever to win.AlastairMeeks said:
The Conservatives need to decide quickly whether Jeremy Corbyn is wicked or hapless.Scott_P said:0 -
I think the evil thing would work on McDonnell, with Abbott andkle4 said:
I'd go for hapless - its what a lot of people already think, and it was silly when they went from Ed M being a figure of fun then menace in the span of a week, it will be much harder with Corbyn, even though he probably would be a lot more dangerous were he ever to win.AlastairMeeks said:
The Conservatives need to decide quickly whether Jeremy Corbyn is wicked or hapless.Scott_P said:CostelloCorbyn being the clueless ones. Which is pretty much what the poster does.
Corbyn as the clueless Sultan, with McDonnell as Jafar. And Abbott as Jasmine in a silky outfit.0 -
Coventry South and NW both CON Gains.SimonStClare said:Two things that stand out from Gordon Brown's Coventry speech:
1. Speaks as tho there will be a Tory Govt.
2. Don't think he has once mentioned Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
Sky failing to find support for scrapping tuition fees amongst students in Cardiff Central.
So much for the radical youth0 -
Hapless with a malevolent Macdonnell in background?kle4 said:
I'd go for hapless - its what a lot of people already think, and it was silly when they went from Ed M being a figure of fun then menace in the span of a week, it will be much harder with Corbyn, even though he probably would be a lot more dangerous were he ever to win.AlastairMeeks said:
The Conservatives need to decide quickly whether Jeremy Corbyn is wicked or hapless.Scott_P said:
Say a poster of Corbyn with a strip torn across it and some red eyes in the space?0 -
There was a reason why the railway replaced them and in turn was replaced itself. Has that been forgotten?JosiasJessop said:
I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.0 -
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Yeah, I don't think it would really work though. There would be too much value (i.e. money) tied up in stuff chugging along at 4 m.p.h. max. The cargo where it might work would be stuff that is high bulk but low value and with delivery times based on a day rather than a half-hour slot. It is a nice idea, but finding the right cargo on the right route is probably not possible. The railway's succeeded for a reason and that was before we moved on from heavy industry.kle4 said:
I recall in the Ben Elton book Gridlock there is a guy advocating just such a system - on the basis it will take a long time to get anywhere, but once set up you have a constant incoming stream of raw material at all times.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!0 -
Well Labour are planning on scrapping fees for future students, not to write off the debts of current and past students.dyedwoolie said:Sky failing to find support for scrapping tuition fees amongst students in Cardiff Central.
So much for the radical youth0 -
Make or BrakeAlastairMeeks said:
Putative headline - "Brake cut".Pulpstar said:
Nah the maths doesn't lie. UKIP standing might have saved Brake.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think it's pretty tough for him, but he does have a reasonable Labour/Green vote to squeeze.rcs1000 said:
I don't see how Brake survives, tbh. Leave voting constituency, big UKIP vote to squeeze, minimal Heathrow factor. He's personally popular, but I doubt that's enough.timmo said:Press release just out from UKIP Sutton. They are not standing candidates in either Sutton&Cheam or Carshalton&Wallington.
Bad news for the LDs there where in both Constituencies large UKIP vote to squeeze. Over 7000 in C&W.
Brake is up against it now only defending a 1500 maj
I would have thought the LDs would be much more likely to gain Twickenham than to hold Carshalton. (Which is a shame because I like Tom Brake a lot more than I like Vince Cable.)
I also do wonder whether UKIP formally standing aside for the Tories is quite as good for the Tories as UKIP withering on the vine. "Farage is backing the Tory candidate" is quite a good targeted message for the Lib Dems when it comes to their own soft vote, Labour, Green, and even soft Con.0 -
"A Labour parliamentary candidate sent a string of extraordinary tweets peddling conspiracy theories about Israel, falsely accusing Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi of buying oil from ISIS and claiming Rupert Murdoch profited from the conflict in Syria. Caroline Kolek, Labour’s candidate in Tiverton and Honiton, posted a series of tweets where she also expressed support for Ken Livingstone and re-posted a quote entitled “I acknowledge Israel is the problem“."
https://order-order.com/2017/05/11/revealed-mad-isis-conspiracies-of-labour-mp-hopeful/
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Just got an email titled 'Too big a risk, Richard'. I thought at first it must be from a spread-betting company declining my business, but it turned out to be from Phil Hammond.0
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We have a winner. At least for the headline in the local press the day before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Make or BrakeAlastairMeeks said:
Putative headline - "Brake cut".Pulpstar said:
Nah the maths doesn't lie. UKIP standing might have saved Brake.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think it's pretty tough for him, but he does have a reasonable Labour/Green vote to squeeze.rcs1000 said:
I don't see how Brake survives, tbh. Leave voting constituency, big UKIP vote to squeeze, minimal Heathrow factor. He's personally popular, but I doubt that's enough.timmo said:Press release just out from UKIP Sutton. They are not standing candidates in either Sutton&Cheam or Carshalton&Wallington.
Bad news for the LDs there where in both Constituencies large UKIP vote to squeeze. Over 7000 in C&W.
Brake is up against it now only defending a 1500 maj
I would have thought the LDs would be much more likely to gain Twickenham than to hold Carshalton. (Which is a shame because I like Tom Brake a lot more than I like Vince Cable.)
I also do wonder whether UKIP formally standing aside for the Tories is quite as good for the Tories as UKIP withering on the vine. "Farage is backing the Tory candidate" is quite a good targeted message for the Lib Dems when it comes to their own soft vote, Labour, Green, and even soft Con.0 -
Popular with those not old enough to vote. Ah well, at least I never had to pay themtlg86 said:
Well Labour are planning on scrapping fees for future students, not to write off the debts of current and past students.dyedwoolie said:Sky failing to find support for scrapping tuition fees amongst students in Cardiff Central.
So much for the radical youth0 -
Incidentally, in case it hasn't been noted here.
Sam Gould, the UKIP candidate for Caerphilly, who created a PR stir on a number of occasions with his clever stunts (projecting the UKIP logo onto Caerphilly castle etc) was diagnosed with bowel cancer a few weeks back.
He is only 33, has a young family and isn't your stereotypical Kipper. The prognosis is dire because the cancer had spread everywhere, he's at stage 4 and already looks very ill, but it is life affirming to see his political foes have visited him to show their support0 -
Matt's always on form. The most astute political commentator of the last couple of decades.SimonStClare said:Matt on form.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_f0q1oXkAEo_qX.jpg0 -
Which prompts the question - do students with loans get to enjoy additional taxes on their university debts and then paying additional taxes so that those who follow can get it for nothing? A double tax.tlg86 said:
Well Labour are planning on scrapping fees for future students, not to write off the debts of current and past students.dyedwoolie said:Sky failing to find support for scrapping tuition fees amongst students in Cardiff Central.
So much for the radical youth
Corbyn should have gone for a retrospective tax on older graduates for the simple reason that none of them are going to vote for him anyway.0 -
George Osborne's (somewhat predictable) hot take on the Labour manifesto:
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-this-socialist-manifesto-leaves-labour-no-excuse-a3536381.html0 -
This smacks of a favour to his old mucker - Geoff Robinson.Pulpstar said:
Coventry South and NW both CON Gains.SimonStClare said:Two things that stand out from Gordon Brown's Coventry speech:
1. Speaks as tho there will be a Tory Govt.
2. Don't think he has once mentioned Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.0
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That's truly horrendous news.Fenster said:Incidentally, in case it hasn't been noted here.
Sam Gould, the UKIP candidate for Caerphilly, who created a PR stir on a number of occasions with his clever stunts (projecting the UKIP logo onto Caerphilly castle etc) was diagnosed with bowel cancer a few weeks back.
He is only 33, has a young family and isn't your stereotypical Kipper. The prognosis is dire because the cancer had spread everywhere, he's at stage 4 and already looks very ill, but it is life affirming to see his political foes have visited him to show their support0 -
https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?0 -
You are correct of course, and I made some other related points to my post to MR. KLE4 a few minutes ago. I just can't help feeling we are missing a trick here. We have a fantastic network of canals, we have over-crowded roads, the railways are reaching saturation point trying to cope with passenger trade. Dunno, but there is a resource there that is being under utilised.JosiasJessop said:
I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.
P.S. Are you free for early-evening drinkies on the 27th0 -
I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/8626534612168007680 -
Jason said:
Read somewhere yesterday (sorry... cannot remember... looking...) which said that there is already a big-spend torrent of very highly targetted, Messina (?) Tory attack ads on Fb, largely based on the juicy bits of the Corbyn/McDonnell backstory. Haven't seen them myself as my Fb feed is a politics free zone. Anyone?Fenster said:
I also expect Crosby & co to go after Corbyn and McDonnell very hard in the last few weeks.0 -
Also, the motion of the poster is not 'holding back' but 'grabbing and pulling forward'Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?0 -
Read somewhere yesterday (sorry... cannot remember... looking...) which said that there is already a big-spend torrent of very highly targetted, Messina (?) Tory attack ads on Fb, largely based on the juicy bits of the Corbyn/McDonnell backstory. Haven't seen them myself as my Fb feed is a politics-free zone. Anyone?0
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Shit. Weird when people younger than you get sick, hope his family have good support.Fenster said:Incidentally, in case it hasn't been noted here.
Sam Gould, the UKIP candidate for Caerphilly, who created a PR stir on a number of occasions with his clever stunts (projecting the UKIP logo onto Caerphilly castle etc) was diagnosed with bowel cancer a few weeks back.
He is only 33, has a young family and isn't your stereotypical Kipper. The prognosis is dire because the cancer had spread everywhere, he's at stage 4 and already looks very ill, but it is life affirming to see his political foes have visited him to show their support
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But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
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Vote Labour to end arms sales - Labour the party for World Piss.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?0 -
Isn't the protocol, unlike the PM, that he doesnt have a bullet resistant car, so needs to be free of hinderances in emergencies.Peter_the_Punter said:
But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
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I have a book on marketing whose example is that there is no difference in a graphic between a man putting money in someone's pocket and stealing it from him.MTimT said:
Also, the motion of the poster is not 'holding back' but 'grabbing and pulling forward'Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?
Similar point here I think....0 -
Really difficult to diagnose I understand.Sandpit said:
Shit. Weird when people younger than you get sick, hope his family have good support.Fenster said:Incidentally, in case it hasn't been noted here.
Sam Gould, the UKIP candidate for Caerphilly, who created a PR stir on a number of occasions with his clever stunts (projecting the UKIP logo onto Caerphilly castle etc) was diagnosed with bowel cancer a few weeks back.
He is only 33, has a young family and isn't your stereotypical Kipper. The prognosis is dire because the cancer had spread everywhere, he's at stage 4 and already looks very ill, but it is life affirming to see his political foes have visited him to show their support0 -
Yep, should be. It's on the calendar.HurstLlama said:
You are correct of course, and I made some other related points to my post to MR. KLE4 a few minutes ago. I just can't help feeling we are missing a trick here. We have a fantastic network of canals, we have over-crowded roads, the railways are reaching saturation point trying to cope with passenger trade. Dunno, but there is a resource there that is being under utilised.JosiasJessop said:
I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.
P.S. Are you free for early-evening drinkies on the 27th0 -
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/8626534612168007680 -
totally off topic but sad news
Geoffrey Bayldon, famous for his role as Catweazle, has died aged 93 according to reports.
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After all the musicians of the 70s and 80s that died last year, seeing the musicians of the 90s die is very weird. Only 47, poor bugger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/robert-miles-creator-dance-music-classic-children-has-died-aged/0 -
For the many not the few is not a terrible line, although it does feel like a hostage to fortune when (if) the Tories win massively, proving the many are behind them.Scott_P said:
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Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!0
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Blimey.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
We await the Tory manifesto though. That is what actually will be happening.0 -
In the young at least. GPs work a lot on levels of risk - what is the chances of % in this person with these symptoms etc. I seem to recall there was talk of a national screening service for age 50+TheWhiteRabbit said:
Really difficult to diagnose I understand.Sandpit said:
Shit. Weird when people younger than you get sick, hope his family have good support.Fenster said:Incidentally, in case it hasn't been noted here.
Sam Gould, the UKIP candidate for Caerphilly, who created a PR stir on a number of occasions with his clever stunts (projecting the UKIP logo onto Caerphilly castle etc) was diagnosed with bowel cancer a few weeks back.
He is only 33, has a young family and isn't your stereotypical Kipper. The prognosis is dire because the cancer had spread everywhere, he's at stage 4 and already looks very ill, but it is life affirming to see his political foes have visited him to show their support0 -
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He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.0 -
If you want sturdiness, I was very tempted by a Cat phone last year. Not necessarily the best value, though.JamesM said:Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!
http://www.catphones.com/en-gb/0 -
OnePlus Three.JamesM said:Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess UKIP have managed 200+ candidates.0
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Baskerville said:
It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/862615424856449024
No I think Hannan was deliberately misleading. What he was saying was true in the sense that you remain in the single market if you carry on selling into it. But you can't get the full benefit if you don't sign up to the full package - which is what you should be considering.Baskerville said:It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/8626154248564490240 -
Hi James, and welcome back. All well?JamesM said:Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!
Avoid a smart phone. They're very clever for all sorts of things but as a phone, they're useless. The touch operation is far too sensitive and cuts you off regularly mid conversation. On other occasions it's likey to start loading an app you don't want, or phone the speaking clock in Thailand for a day or so.
I'd get one of the old Nokias that are being made again now (because people are getting fed up with so-called 'smart' phones.0 -
No. If it were holding UK back, Scotland should be leaning forward. If it is pulling, Scotland leans back. Think about braking in a car. When you brake, momentum makes you lean forward, when you accelerate momentum makes you lean back - simple physics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I have a book on marketing whose example is that there is no difference in a graphic between a man putting money in someone's pocket and stealing it from him.MTimT said:
Also, the motion of the poster is not 'holding back' but 'grabbing and pulling forward'Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?
Similar point here I think....0 -
Yes he knows what he is talking about. He was a well respected academic specializing in this before becoming an MP.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/8626534612168007680 -
He only just lost in 2015 I see, I'm a bit surprised he didn't retread, as he's barely over 50 it seems.AlastairMeeks said:
He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.0 -
What are the proposals? Same old triple lock?FrancisUrquhart said:
Yes he knows what he is talking about.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/8626534612168007680 -
Erm....it was a joke, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the protocol, unlike the PM, that he doesnt have a bullet resistant car, so needs to be free of hinderances in emergencies.Peter_the_Punter said:
But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
Tumbleweed.0 -
What's £600bn between comrades....0
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He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.
Yes. Webb's one of the few LibDems who is not a complete tool. He's in the wrong party. Economically sensible politicians are not really welcome on the left.0 -
Oops.Peter_the_Punter said:
Erm....it was a joke, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the protocol, unlike the PM, that he doesnt have a bullet resistant car, so needs to be free of hinderances in emergencies.Peter_the_Punter said:
But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
Tumbleweed.0 -
Peanuts, compared with Brexit.FrancisUrquhart said:What's £600bn between comrades....
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I have heard the restoration in the 80s of the Union Canal linking Edinburgh with Glasgow was substantially funded by cable companies who found it the easiest conduit for their trunk cables.HurstLlama said:
You are correct of course, and I made some other related points to my post to MR. KLE4 a few minutes ago. I just can't help feeling we are missing a trick here. We have a fantastic network of canals, we have over-crowded roads, the railways are reaching saturation point trying to cope with passenger trade. Dunno, but there is a resource there that is being under utilised.JosiasJessop said:
I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.
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He gotta a "proppa job" and this GE has come around 3 years earlier than it should.kle4 said:
He only just lost in 2015 I see, I'm a bit surprised he didn't retread, as he's barely over 50 it seems.AlastairMeeks said:
He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.0 -
They'd need to get pretty near to 20% where they did stand... which is inconceivable. The sub 5% vote market would be free money at any price.AndyJS said:0 -
1-2 looks a good price for the TOries there seeing as they are have 1st time incumbency, a net national shift in the polls and 5000 kipper votes to mine.kle4 said:
He only just lost in 2015 I see, I'm a bit surprised he didn't retread, as he's barely over 50 it seems.AlastairMeeks said:
He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.0 -
No. The chances of being hurt through not being belted in properly as opposed to having to spend an extra second or two releasing a belt in the event of an attack are as 1000 to 1 in normal circumstances. See Princess Diana for an obvious example (the only bloke that survived that crash was the chap who had his seatbelt on). No close protection officer in the UK is going to suggest to his principle travelling without a seat belt, and damn few outside it (and only then in some very special and short term circumstances).TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the protocol, unlike the PM, that he doesnt have a bullet resistant car, so needs to be free of hinderances in emergencies.Peter_the_Punter said:
But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
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Seconded.rcs1000 said:
OnePlus Three.JamesM said:Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!
The battery life is better than any smartphone I've ever had, rapid charging is brilliant, and the features are comparable to phones at twice the price. Camera is very serviceable too, if you're into such things.0 -
Thanks all for the suggestions so far.
I haven't upgrade my phone since getting a hand down from my father. An old Samsung!
I will take a look at the listed suggestions, although they may be outside my budget. I am tempted my dumping the smart phone. Currently reading a fascinating book called 'Solitude' that is making me re-think my attitude to connectivity (ironic as I post on an addictive website!!). I did look at the new 'old' Nokia but I find I do use a limited number of apps and would missed them.
Peter, I am good thanks. This GE has got me back interested in politics again. After assisting in a North West England marginal in 2010 I focused on my career after that, but the EU referendum and campaigning for Leave dragged me back in. Now I am West Midlands based so plenty of work to do and potential for the Conservatives!0 -
Remember that it was the creation of the single market that pushed Austria, Finland and Sweden into joining the EU, and Norway into the EEA because being outside it had a real economic cost.Recidivist said:Baskerville said:It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/862615424856449024
No I think Hannan was deliberately misleading. What he was saying was true in the sense that you remain in the single market if you carry on selling into it. But you can't get the full benefit if you don't sign up to the full package - which is what you should be considering.Baskerville said:It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/8626154248564490240 -
Lol! Let's both get our coats.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops.Peter_the_Punter said:
Erm....it was a joke, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the protocol, unlike the PM, that he doesnt have a bullet resistant car, so needs to be free of hinderances in emergencies.Peter_the_Punter said:
But that misses the point, Sandy. Surely he should belt up wherever he is?Sandpit said:Maybe this has been mentioned, but Corbyn with no seatbelt - was he in a(n unmarked) police car? In which case not illegal.
Tumbleweed.0 -
Except..it by definition is wrong and alienating. First because it is identifying a group of people (OK, bankers, fat cats, etc, but a subset of people nevertheless) who it is calling the enemy. And secondly because even if Lab wins there will be substantial minority, millions of people who don't agree with them and they are indirectly telling those people they are part of the "few".kle4 said:
For the many not the few is not a terrible line, although it does feel like a hostage to fortune when (if) the Tories win massively, proving the many are behind them.Scott_P said:0 -
Or in Labour's case, "Momentum" makes you go back to the 1970's.MTimT said:
No. If it were holding UK back, Scotland should be leaning forward. If it is pulling, Scotland leans back. Think about braking in a car. When you brake, momentum makes you lean forward, when you accelerate momentum makes you lean back - simple physics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I have a book on marketing whose example is that there is no difference in a graphic between a man putting money in someone's pocket and stealing it from him.MTimT said:
Also, the motion of the poster is not 'holding back' but 'grabbing and pulling forward'Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/862652791759577088
EDIT: Is it just me, or does it look like a volunteer relieving himself against the poster?
Similar point here I think....0 -
Where will the Cornish nationalist vote go?
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/8626589238448250880 -
Labour have history with uncosted proposals that cost billions. Some of us remember the IMF being called in
Nick Palmer incidentally can only be speaking to the converted, I don't believe for a minute what he says about TMay, and I'll bet he doesn't either.0 -
It's not terrible in terms of appealing to the people it wants to appeal to was what I meant. Being alienating, but not too much, can work sometimes.TOPPING said:
Except..it by definition is wrong and alienating. First because it is identifying a group of people (OK, bankers, fat cats, etc, but a subset of people nevertheless) who it is calling the enemy. And secondly because even if Lab wins there will be substantial minority, millions of people who don't agree with them and they are indirectly telling those people they are part of the "few".kle4 said:
For the many not the few is not a terrible line, although it does feel like a hostage to fortune when (if) the Tories win massively, proving the many are behind them.Scott_P said:0 -
Great to hear. Nice to have you back on board.JamesM said:Thanks all for the suggestions so far.
I haven't upgrade my phone since getting a hand down from my father. An old Samsung!
I will take a look at the listed suggestions, although they may be outside my budget. I am tempted my dumping the smart phone. Currently reading a fascinating book called 'Solitude' that is making me re-think my attitude to connectivity (ironic as I post on an addictive website!!). I did look at the new 'old' Nokia but I find I do use a limited number of apps and would missed them.
Peter, I am good thanks. This GE has got me back interested in politics again. After assisting in a North West England marginal in 2010 I focused on my career after that, but the EU referendum and campaigning for Leave dragged me back in. Now I am West Midlands based so plenty of work to do and potential for the Conservatives!0 -
marke09 said:
totally off topic but sad news
Geoffrey Bayldon, famous for his role as Catweazle, has died aged 93 according to reports.
Bloody hell, to both. Though I'm almost ashamed to admit that, being too young for Catweazle, I know Bayldon as the Professor from Fort Boyard...Sandpit said:After all the musicians of the 70s and 80s that died last year, seeing the musicians of the 90s die is very weird. Only 47, poor bugger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/robert-miles-creator-dance-music-classic-children-has-died-aged/0 -
A new slogan for Labour......
Reversing together into the future (hat tip the peoples poet)0 -
In which case you are wrong. Hannan has long made it clear he is in favour of freedom of movement and would have no problem with that as a 'price' for remaining in the Single Market. The important point for him (and me) was to be outside the ECJ jurisdiction and outside the Customs Union. Exactly what EEX membership via EFTA gives you. I am afraid you have simply misrepresented what he has consistently campaigned for.Recidivist said:Baskerville said:It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/862615424856449024
No I think Hannan was deliberately misleading. What he was saying was true in the sense that you remain in the single market if you carry on selling into it. But you can't get the full benefit if you don't sign up to the full package - which is what you should be considering.Baskerville said:It was reasonable to suggest that the UK could keep access to the Single Market, even though we stopped being members of it. The EU27 have since made very clear that the SM and free movement are indivisible and implied we cannot have full access to the SM because that would give us an advantage that we no longer deserve after departure. Hence, it is not Dan Hannan who has changed his position, it is the EU27 who have clarified theirs. I'm still hopeful that, so long as we can keep J-CJ locked in a cupboard, the grown ups can negotiate a FTA that gives us access to most of the SM.
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Dan Hannan Brexit, didn't he say voting Leave wasn't voting to Leave the single market?Casino_Royale said:
Vote Labour: Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting. Might get us membership of the single market and custom unions.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/8626154248564490240 -
But if you spend your life on building sites, it's easily the best value as it will cope with being dropped in the dirt and the sand. Popular among the O&G workers in the sandpit.JosiasJessop said:
If you want sturdiness, I was very tempted by a Cat phone last year. Not necessarily the best value, though.JamesM said:Hi all. Political betting has reeled me back in after a few months away post-EU referendum. It really is the best place for political discussion at big moments. I have even decided to get back in to some campaigning again for the Conservatives. Hope people don't mind me going off topic but I remember a really good discussion, I think last year, about decent mobile phones. Having dropped mine, I am in the market and wondered what people recommended? I want a smart phone but I don't care about all the bells and whistles, prefer value and sturdiness and security. Thanks!
http://www.catphones.com/en-gb/0 -
Lying buggers. They were down the pub.AlastairMeeks said:Where will the Cornish nationalist vote go?
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/862658923844825088
Very sensible.0 -
Catherine West is a big Remainer.rcs1000 said:
Hornsey & Wood Green is apparently seeing a lot of LD activity (and negligible Labour). Can't see it myself, but there you go.Pulpstar said:
Scotland looks by far the brightest spot to the Lib Dems to me.rcs1000 said:
They only got 5% of the regional vote in the 2016 Holyroods, but tactical voting took that up to 7% in the constituencies. And that got them two gains and a nearly.kle4 said:
I know, but I find it amazing they are so densely concentrated that their Scotland wide score is so low (even though generally higher than the 4.8 above).Alistair said:
The Lib Dem vote is going to concentrate in only a few seats in Scotland.kle4 said:
Damn, if that is right the LDs are doing almost as bad in Scotland as they are in Wales, and Scotland is where they hope to make quite a few gains. SNP is a bit high for my liking too. Oh well.scotslass said:SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
SNP 45.0% (+2.2)
Conservatives 31.5% (+2.2)
Labour 15.8% (-0.7)
Liberal Democrats 4.8% (-2.2)
(The Poll of Polls for Westminster voting intentions uses the Scottish subsamples from all GB-wide polls that have been conducted entirely within the last seven days and for which datasets have been provided, and also all full-scale Scottish polls that have been conducted at least partly within the last seven days. Full-scale polls are given ten times the weighting of subsamples.)
STRIKES ME AS A SENSIBLE WAY TO DEAL WITH SUB SAMPLES FOR SCOTLAND - note these figures are before YouGov this morning suggesting 46 SNP -26 TORY.
The Labour manifesto is going down very well amongst my left wing facebook friends. With the exception of Cambridge Lib/Lab battlegrounds will be bloody hard work. Maybe just Bermondsey & Cambridge in all honesty.0 -
Lay Labour in Bristol West
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/watch-moment-eddie-izzard-surprises-540400 -
That happened all over, Mr. 43. The canals provided a very cheap route for people to lay cable. Not quite the same thing though as using the canals to take goods away from the roads and the railways.FF43 said:
I have heard the restoration in the 80s of the Union Canal linking Edinburgh with Glasgow was substantially funded by cable companies who found it the easiest conduit for their trunk cables.HurstLlama said:
You are correct of course, and I made some other related points to my post to MR. KLE4 a few minutes ago. I just can't help feeling we are missing a trick here. We have a fantastic network of canals, we have over-crowded roads, the railways are reaching saturation point trying to cope with passenger trade. Dunno, but there is a resource there that is being under utilised.JosiasJessop said:
I think there are still a few commercial father-and-son type canal operations around, mainly delivering coal and wood to riverside houses and other canal owners. Horse-drawn ones are used in a few places for tourist boats.HurstLlama said:
You take the piss, Mr. Jessop, and rightly so. However, I wonder if there is not a nugget of value in encouraging freight back to the canals. Probably the volumes are too large these days but I wonder if there are not some cargos that have to be shifted in bulk and regularly but which are not time critical that could not be successfully be moved by water. It would, probably, be very environmentally friendly if they could.JosiasJessop said:
Well, Birmingham has more canals than Venice. It's simple.nunu said:
Instead of these ecologically devastating super-sized cargo ships, Labour will introduce a fleet of narrow boats to transport goods around the world. Not only can they get nearer to the destination (preventing having to offload onto trucks), but they can also be horse-powered all the way from China, South America or Australia to here!
The problems that face narrow canals are the same ones that faced them 200 years ago at the dawn of the railway age: they are slow, limited in capacity, and subject to the vagaries of the weather: a shortage of water in summer, and they have too much water, or are frozen, in winter.
P.S. Are you free for early-evening drinkies on the 27th
Mind you in the digital age perhaps the canals providing the route for cables actually means that their contribution to the economy is even larger than it was in their heighday. Something to think about.
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I'm not sure they will ever top out polling Labour in the Euros. Good old MKAlastairMeeks said:Where will the Cornish nationalist vote go?
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/8626589238448250880 -
He'd had the best part of 20 years as an MP, and done the job he always wanted in the last few of those. Why come back to sit as a backbencher for a party that has a long road to recovery and is clear that it won't be a coalition partner for anyone any time soon?kle4 said:
He only just lost in 2015 I see, I'm a bit surprised he didn't retread, as he's barely over 50 it seems.AlastairMeeks said:
He was by far the most important Pensions Minister we have ever had. He was far from perfect but he knew what he was talking about and actually had the time and space to implement a reasonably coherent policy.kle4 said:
Was he a good Pensions minister who would know what he is talking about? Genuine question.AlastairMeeks said:I have a feeling I'll hear this one again:
https://twitter.com/JosephineCumbo/status/862653461216800768
He would have made an infinitely better leader of the Lib Dems than Tim Farron.
Life's too short and there's too much else to do. I'm not saying it's a fool's errand, but it's perfectly understandable to call it a day and leave it to others to take it on. In a way the retreads are admirable for being knocked down and getting up again, but it isn't actually necessary in order to be well remembered as a good MP.
Shame for the LDs though, as he would have had a decent chance of winning whereas I very much doubt it for his successor.
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Comments worth reading at https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/john-mcternan-labours-draft-manifesto-is-just-appalling/
Including
"BREAKING - PROJECT FEAR IS DEAD;
Mr Barnier said the EU wants the negotiations with the UK to succeed.
"We will need to negotiate a 'bold and ambitious', but fair, FREE-TRADE AGREEMENT," he said.
http://disq.us/url?url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39873618:5QryGi2LpWFV2ktZdRH9VLBZTro&cuid=38126840 -
Nadhim Zahawi tells Guido he is lawyering up:TheScreamingEagles said:
“This allegation is a libel and I will be consulting my lawyer.
Too many tweets.....0 -
Re the joke manifesto
Take a look at this
https://capx.co/labours-manifesto-takes-the-voters-for-fools/
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Will pollsters amend their methodology now to point out to interviewees when there is no Ukip or Green candidate standing?
Looking at the betting, above evens for Labour to get 25-30.0% looks good, but clearly if there's a lot of seats with a shortage of candidates it's an important factor in estimating other parties' vote share.0 -
i'm on LD for Hornsey.Dadge said:
Catherine West is a big Remainer.rcs1000 said:
Hornsey & Wood Green is apparently seeing a lot of LD activity (and negligible Labour). Can't see it myself, but there you go.Pulpstar said:
Scotland looks by far the brightest spot to the Lib Dems to me.rcs1000 said:
They only got 5% of the regional vote in the 2016 Holyroods, but tactical voting took that up to 7% in the constituencies. And that got them two gains and a nearly.kle4 said:
I know, but I find it amazing they are so densely concentrated that their Scotland wide score is so low (even though generally higher than the 4.8 above).Alistair said:
The Lib Dem vote is going to concentrate in only a few seats in Scotland.kle4 said:
Damn, if that is right the LDs are doing almost as bad in Scotland as they are in Wales, and Scotland is where they hope to make quite a few gains. SNP is a bit high for my liking too. Oh well.scotslass said:SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
SNP 45.0% (+2.2)
Conservatives 31.5% (+2.2)
Labour 15.8% (-0.7)
Liberal Democrats 4.8% (-2.2)
(The Poll of Polls for Westminster voting intentions uses the Scottish subsamples from all GB-wide polls that have been conducted entirely within the last seven days and for which datasets have been provided, and also all full-scale Scottish polls that have been conducted at least partly within the last seven days. Full-scale polls are given ten times the weighting of subsamples.)
STRIKES ME AS A SENSIBLE WAY TO DEAL WITH SUB SAMPLES FOR SCOTLAND - note these figures are before YouGov this morning suggesting 46 SNP -26 TORY.
The Labour manifesto is going down very well amongst my left wing facebook friends. With the exception of Cambridge Lib/Lab battlegrounds will be bloody hard work. Maybe just Bermondsey & Cambridge in all honesty.0 -
"I’ve spent the morning going through the full text of the thing, and I can’t for the life of me see how the numbers add up – even with Diane Abbott doing the maths."Floater said:Re the joke manifesto
Take a look at this
https://capx.co/labours-manifesto-takes-the-voters-for-fools/
All they have done for this manifesto is written down everything Jezza has believed in for past 40 years, then is gone through polling, picked all the stuff that gets positives before phoning the unions putting in their suggestions.
The fact it doesn't add up is a mere inconvenience.0 -
You do realise rates are artificially low don't you?williamglenn said:
And warned they may need to raise rates.Blue_rog said:BoE revises growth to 1.9%
Actually, forget I asked.0 -
You do realise that it's thanks to that fools' paradise that people felt able to take a risk on Brexit, don't you?Floater said:
You do realise rates are artificially low don't you?williamglenn said:
And warned they may need to raise rates.Blue_rog said:BoE revises growth to 1.9%
Actually, forget I asked.
It won't last. There are bad times just around the corner, and they will be hung on the Brexit decision.0 -
I don't think the vast majority of the public will care about the Labour manifesto being leaked, this is just media fodder for all those journalists who have too much time on their hands.
I lived through the 70's and this country was in a very dire state, but of course young people who haven't experienced the damage socialism can do, will no doubt be very tempted to vote for Corbyn.
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How come we never see any betting posts from you?williamglenn said:
You do realise that it's thanks to that fools' paradise that people felt able to take a risk on Brexit, don't you?Floater said:
You do realise rates are artificially low don't you?williamglenn said:
And warned they may need to raise rates.Blue_rog said:BoE revises growth to 1.9%
Actually, forget I asked.
It won't last. There are bad times just around the corner, and they will be hung on the Brexit decision.
With your cast iron certainty about the future, anything you tip should be nailed on.0 -
This was my prediction before the US election. I hope you profited handsomely.Carolus_Rex said:
How come we never see any betting posts from you?williamglenn said:
You do realise that it's thanks to that fools' paradise that people felt able to take a risk on Brexit, don't you?Floater said:
You do realise rates are artificially low don't you?williamglenn said:
And warned they may need to raise rates.Blue_rog said:BoE revises growth to 1.9%
Actually, forget I asked.
It won't last. There are bad times just around the corner, and they will be hung on the Brexit decision.
With your cast iron certainty about the future, anything you tip should be nailed on.
http://www.270towin.com/maps/LLLby0
