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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353
    Cyan said:

    If France leaves the euro, other countries such as Italy and Spain may well follow, and Schengen would probably lose important members too. Germany would try to keep some kind of deutschmark zone, but I don't picture the EU as we know it surviving.
    I don't think it would have any impact on Schengen, but it would almost certainly result in the Eurozone becoming merely a Deutschmark zone of Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and a few others.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Ah, so (some) Labour MP's new position will be as follows:

    "We think our leader would make a shite Prime Minister, so if elected we will vote for person X/person Y/person Z/we don't have a clue (delete as applicable) to be our Prime Minister. This person will then form a Government (perhaps, depending on whether our faction of the Labour Party can build a majority,) whilst the leader of our Party sits on the back benches with his supporters, destabilising our Government and plotting revenge.

    "Vote Labour."

    Meanwhile, Corbyn's supporters will continue to insist that he will make an excellent Prime Minister, with the support of the demented pseudo-Trotskyite majority of the party membership, if not most of his own Parliamentarians.

    Yeah, that's a really inspiring pitch.
    Well, now that you put it like that, the 24 point leads make perfect sense :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    kle4 said:

    I like the comment that the pollsters will be very happy the polls are so conclusive - even if they are wrong, the right winner will almost certainly be what the polls suggest, so no one will mind all that much at the polls being wrong.

    Yeah like 1997 when they all (except ICM) overstated Labour but nobody noticed...
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    new thread

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,491
    @Viewcode,

    Rodger has written a two volume History of the British Navy which is probably as definitive as Jonathan Sumption's series on the Hundred Years War. He also wrote The Wooden World, a condensed version, which is a very good introduction.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,012

    Corbyn's trouble isn't some deep hatred of him personally from the public... it's just that most people decided ages ago that he's ineffectual and couldn't run a bath, let alone a country. But that doesn't become more or less the case because he's been within a two mile radius of your house on the campaign trail.
    It's an interesting one. Keeping a leader who's personally unpopular away from a by-election is a tried and tested tactic as you can try and run a hyper-local campaign and hope people ignore the national picture, keeping him out of the local press who'll provide the most in depth coverage. You can get away with it because by-elections don't lead news bulletins. Whether or not you can do that in a general election when your leader will make the top bulletin and first few pages of the newspaper every day is unknown, but I doubt it. It's never really been tried before as a party leader's never been this much of an obvious liability.

    There is something more than mere bemusement at his incompetence, as pollsters have noted there's a real anger at Corbyn and Labour for being as patronising to think he's what they could plausibly want. There's not a personal hatred towards Corbyn perhaps, but there's a real hatred and ridicule among many of Labour's traditional supporters towards his politics and being told what they believe by people like Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott and their supporters.

    If he was competent as well as radical, then you'd suggest a Tony Blairesque masochism strategy - get on the street, win people over, really engage, challenge assumptions and win credit even from those who disagree for taking things on. But as he just whiffles on regardless and hates being challenged from outside his comfort zone it's not an option.

    There's no good answer to the Corbyn conundrum. Suspect people just want to avoid embarrassment.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    They've been having some technical glitches with PaddyPower/Betfair on constituency markets, including at one point offering Tories at 100-1 in a variety of safe Conservative seats... bets they will not be honouring.

    No doubt they mean 200-1.
    Aha. Thank you.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,085
    DavidL said:

    I am starting to think that playing our B team is the way ahead...

    David, only because you have no A team, certainly not in Scotland at least.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Turnout is one of the great unknowables for Scotland. It was obviously enormous for the independence vote, but below the UK average for the EU referendum, IIRC. If some of the enthusiasm of the younger SNP voters has worn off a bit, this could provide a little help to their opponents. However, I expect that the weighting in the poll has already taken account of that...

    Edit: I wouldn't read anything into those regional subsets. They are minuscule.
    The much herald mass defections of SNP to Con is 6% of the SNP 2015 vote.

    It's all about the differential turnout not switchers.
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