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  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    What you really should be angry about Don is that money doesn't grow on trees. If it did, Corbyn would be your man and everyone else's, maybe. "Maybe", because even then Labour would argue about where to spend it first and waste it.

    Corbyn is not the cause of Labour's woes, he is merely a symptom of a "party" that has run out of time. Labour is an anachronism.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited April 2017
    At this important times of year we should be thinking only of one thing and only of one person.

    Chocolate. And @MaxPB.

    The best chocolate in the world comes from Sprungli in Zurich. Which is where Max is. Lucky so-and-so.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    The earliest Easter Eggs were actually adopted by the Christians of Mesopotamia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg
    Yes, and they were stained red to represent the blood of Christ. Hee-haw to do with hollow eggs representing the empty tomb.

    Delicious chocolate eggs started in the 1800s and were created because chocolate is delicious and the egg shape is a great novelty that sells well of the back of an old tradition.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Mrs B, better than I, Claudius?

    Mr. M, I was hoping someone would notice it :p

    Between that and the comment on Corbyn liking, or not, this Easter uprising, one feels pleased with one's posts today.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    I don't do religion, but I find it a bit cheeky that the retail calendar is pretty much split up into 3 seasons- Christmas runs from September to New Years, Easter runs from January 1st until Easter Sunday, and then you have the Halloween/Guy Fawkes season overlapping with the start of Christmas, and then the retailers chuck a few more religious festivals that they think they can get a few quid out of in between.
    Yes they exploit religious festivals mercilessly
  • All this talk of chocolate is making me crave a fix. Can't we just go back to the invasion of Gibraltar?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    MrsB said:

    Not sure why that best TV comp is running. The West WIng is clearly the best TV series ever.

    Its fantastic.
    I also recommend the West Wing podcast which discusses each episode and has interviews with cast/writers etc.

    One of the hosts is Josh Malina aka Will Bailey.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Alistair said:

    Yes, and they were stained red to represent the blood of Christ. Hee-haw to do with hollow eggs representing the empty tomb.

    Delicious chocolate eggs started in the 1800s and were created because chocolate is delicious and the egg shape is a great novelty that sells well of the back of an old tradition.
    There was blood in Christ's tomb and again the tradition of Easter Eggs derived from Christian origin
  • Pulpstar said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4077724/Council-wasting-450-000-painting-vehicles-orange-Labour-controlled-Derbyshire-discovers-far-cheaper-buy-plain-white-ones-instead.html

    "The belated change comes after a report to the authority’s cabinet earlier this year and suppliers are now being asked to bid for several contracts."

    Why is a report needed to realise that painting fleets of vehicles orange costs more than just taking the plain white ones ?


    </blockquote
    White has better resale value as well
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    HYUFD said:

    Yes they do, they symbolise Christ's tomb and their opening his resurrection, if Islamic symbols were exploited in this way there would be an even more forceful response
    You are trying to have it both ways. Your minority religious cult interferes with my secular life by arranging for Tesco to close early on a pseudorandom Friday in March/April because of a claimed historical event in the Levant in probably the early 30s AD. If you want the world of chocolate consumption not to mess you about, you stop messing everyone else about first. Disestablish.

    And don't tell me we are an historically Christian country. We are also historically a nation of wholesale slave traders. That was then, this is now.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    rkrkrk said:

    Its fantastic.
    I also recommend the West Wing podcast which discusses each episode and has interviews with cast/writers etc.

    One of the hosts is Josh Malina aka Will Bailey.

    Surely the British House of Cards is the best ever, excluding B'stard as a frivolous venture.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    RobD said:

    Was this all a giant marketing ploy to get us talking about eggs? Think of all the publicity!
    For the Christian Real Easter Egg Company this is certainly an opportunity to eat into Cadbury market share
    http://www.realeasteregg.co.uk/
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    Yes they exploit religious festivals mercilessly
    Which is good because that's been happening for many thousands of years. The "true meaning" of Easter is spring and new life, hence the bunny. It predates the window dressing of Christ that has been tacked on to it. That corporations do the same as the Church and join the bandwagon of these Pagan festivals is great for the economy and great for traditions and our culture.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    :o... prepare to get smoted.
    Their secrete identity is known to a select handful - https://tinyurl.com/shadowy-figures
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TOPPING said:

    Without wishing to prolong the Easter thing are people saying that Cadbury's chocolate bunnies showed due reverence to the Christian faith when they had the word Easter on them but now that they are just, um, chocolate bunnies they are violating ancient religious precepts?


    how do Bhuddists feel about chocolate bunnies?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635

    Mrs B, better than I, Claudius?

    Mr. M, I was hoping someone would notice it :p

    Between that and the comment on Corbyn liking, or not, this Easter uprising, one feels pleased with one's posts today.

    I had no idea what you were on about...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited April 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    You are trying to have it both ways. Your minority religious cult interferes with else about first. Disestablish.

    And don't tell me we are an historically Christian country. We are also historically a nation of wholesale slave traders. That was then, this is now.
    The holiday is given to celebrate the resurrection of Christ, it is not a secular bank holiday, there is no holiday related to the slave trade in the UK. In some ways May and Corbyn are leading a backlash for those of faith against metropolitan liberalism, it could even be said to be a symbol of a culture war which Brexit has driven home, Farage was notably critical of Cadbury too, liberals and the Guardian supportive
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Cyclefree said:

    OK: A question for the PB Brains Trust.

    How does one get onto the speaker circuit? Does one need an agent or send in one's CV to one of the many agencies?

    If anyone has any brilliant ideas, let me know or vanilla mail me.

    Thank you :)

    Suggestion: Search online for names of speakers who might be your competition or who do similar work in slightly different fields. If they have websites or social media profiles they'll probably have a contact page pointing to an agent or manager.

    Do some digging on the agencies and maybe approach a couple directly to see what they say. Meet them at their offices to see who they are and what they do - lots of one man bands with fancy looking websites and a handful of mobile phones can look like a large agency from a distance.

    Be wary of 'exclusivity' clauses in contracts - but you're a lawyer and know that ;)

    Good luck!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Mr. rkrkrk, you can't run away forever, but there's nothing wrong with getting a good head start.

    Rock 'n' Roll Dreams by Meatloaf.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    Which is good because that's been happening for many thousands of years. The "true meaning" of Easter is spring and new life, hence the bunny. It predates the window dressing of Christ that has been tacked on to it. That corporations do the same as the Church and join the bandwagon of these Pagan festivals is great for the economy and great for traditions and our culture.
    It is not Spring the holiday was given for though but the Resurrection
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    HYUFD said:

    The holiday is given to celebrate the resurrection of Christ, it is not a secular bank holiday, there is no holiday related to the slave trade in the UK. In some ways May and Corbyn are leading a backlash for those of faith against metropolitan liberalism, it could even be said to be a symbol of a culture war which Brexit has driven home, Farage was notably critical of Cadbury too, liberals and the Guardian supportive
    This wouldn't have happened under Ed and Dave...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    So a chemical weapons attack in Syria and the PM selling weapons to an evil regime and we are talking about chocolate eggs?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    dixiedean said:

    So a chemical weapons attack in Syria and the PM selling weapons to an evil regime and we are talking about chocolate eggs?

    That regime buys vast quantities of our exports
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    HYUFD said:

    That regime buys vast quantities of our exports
    And would just buy their weapons from elsewhere. The small consolation is we can try and use that influence to do some good.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    HYUFD said:

    That regime buys vast quantities of our exports
    Still evil. Exporters of terrorism and Wahhibism.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,567

    All this talk of chocolate is making me crave a fix. Can't we just go back to the invasion of Gibraltar?

    That depends - what position do the Spanish take on easter eggs?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    edited April 2017
    Incoming German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier dismantles the Brexit case:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/german-president-attacks-irresponsible-brexit-campaign

    “If we, as Europe, don’t become fully fledged partners on the world stage we will all individually become the plaything of other powers and I suspect that is what Michael Heseltine, a Briton of all people, was thinking when he recently said in an interview that Brexit was the biggest loss of sovereignty he can recollect, and he may be right.

    “Populists paint the world black and white and turn fears into political capital … Take back control is a strong slogan that we hear everywhere. Nationalists are unable to deliver it and if it can be delivered at all, it is something we can only do together.

    “It is irresponsible to lead people to believe that, in a world that is becoming more complex, the answers are becoming more simple.”
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited April 2017
    rkrkrk said:

    This wouldn't have happened under Ed and Dave...
    Dave could have said the same as May, Clegg, Osborne and Miliband would have been more sympathetic to Cadbury, it is traditionalists and statists v liberals and libertarians writ large
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "We are also historically a nation of wholesale slave traders."

    I should have thought that the number of people involved in the slave trade was very small, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the population.

    "How do Bhuddists feel about chocolate bunnies?"

    Fine thanks. I don't eat them myself, mind, because they are usually made out of rubbish chocolate (and I won't touch anything from Cadbury's these days for the same reason).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    RobD said:

    And would just buy their weapons from elsewhere. The small consolation is we can try and use that influence to do some good.
    Agreed and evermore needed post Brexit
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited April 2017

    White has better resale value as well
    This is a good example of what @SouthamObserver and I discussed earlier - a few well run councils that are (finally!) starting to care about where the pennies go. A few stickers on a van cost about fifty quid, painting it costs a couple of grand. Hey, you just saved 10% of the price of every new van in the council yard - and they'll probably be easier to sell on later. Win win win.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    HYUFD said:

    Agreed and evermore needed post Brexit
    HYUFD said:

    Agreed and evermore needed post Brexit
    Ah the Christian view.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661

    Sure...I mean in this day and age who the hell pays for a magazine to tell you what time telly shows are on and some fluff pieces about the stars of them....
    http://www.tvguide.co.uk/?catcolor=&systemid=3&thistime=21&thisday=04/04/2017&gridspan=03:00&view=0&gw=1323
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    RobD said:

    And would just buy their weapons from elsewhere. The small consolation is we can try and use that influence to do some good.
    Presumably they would buy inferior weapons?
    That's something.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    kle4 said:

    That depends - what position do the Spanish take on easter eggs?
    Don't the Dons go in for chucking donkeys off of church towers?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    HYUFD said:


    The holiday is given to celebrate the resurrection of Christ, it is not a secular bank holiday, there is no holiday related to the slave trade in the UK. In some ways May and Corbyn are leading a backlash for those of faith against metropolitan liberalism, it could even be said to be a symbol of a culture war which Brexit has driven home, Farage was notably critical of Cadbury too, liberals and the Guardian supportive

    If a belief is so nonsensical that trying to impose it on people as a matter of politics looks a good idea, and that May, Corbyn and Farage's support is adduced as evidence that it is true, it is too nonsensical to believe in the first place.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    rkrkrk said:

    Presumably they would buy inferior weapons?
    That's something.
    I doubt ours are that special!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    RobD said:

    I doubt ours are that special!
    Well they decided to buy them from us for some reason and given how much mulla they have in Saudi i don't think they go for the cheap options.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    rkrkrk said:

    Well they decided to buy them from us for some reason and given how much mulla they have in Saudi i don't think they go for the cheap options.
    Buying inferior weapons may actually perversely make it worse. If they genuinely aren't trying to kill civilians (I would hope they aren't, but you never know), then having a missile that can accurately target someone is a plus.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    dixiedean said:

    So a chemical weapons attack in Syria and the PM selling weapons to an evil regime and we are talking about chocolate eggs?

    Don't lecture us sunshine there's always CiF if you feel we're insufficiently relevant here.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    RobD said:

    I doubt ours are that special!
    HEY, RobD, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    According to Wikipedia

    "In many languages, the words for "Easter" and "Passover" are identical or very similar."

    What does Ken Livingstone have to say about this?

    Why are the Labour Party unable to make a decision about whether Livingstone lives or not?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    RobD said:

    Buying inferior weapons may actually perversely make it worse. If they genuinely aren't trying to kill civilians (I would hope they aren't, but you never know), then having a missile that can accurately target someone is a plus.
    My strong suspicion is that they simply do not care about collateral damage.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    Easter eggs symbolise the empty tomb of Christ and films on Norse mythology actually tell the story!
    That well known Norse myth about Thor taking on the Incredible Hulk. Yes, I remember studying that one at school.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    dixiedean said:

    Ah the Christian view.
    Rather the Saudis than the militants
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356

    HEY, RobD, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...
    Conker on a piece of string.. :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Ishmael_Z said:

    If a belief is so nonsensical that trying to impose it on people as a matter of politics looks a good idea, and that May, Corbyn and Farage's support is adduced as evidence that it is true, it is too nonsensical to believe in the first place.
    It is still the basis of the Easter holiday and if companies want to exploit they exploit what comes with it too
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    HYUFD said:

    Rather the Saudis than the militants
    You mean the more money they spend buying arms from us, the less money they have to spend on funding extremist propaganda in our country?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Where should a concerned Labour supporter direct his anger?

    At Corbyn.

    Next question?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Tom Harris, Telegraph:

    "There is literally no result so poor, no level of support so low, that Jeremy Corbyn would consider resigning as leader."

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "... given how much mulla they have in Saudi ..."

    Not for much longer it would seem. Their silly war against the US domestic oil producers has been a disaster, on top of which a rapidly growing population with a cradle to grave welfare system that soon will not be affordable and Saudi is heading for the shitter. And that is before we factor in that the West is moving rapidly away from an oil based economy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    TOPPING said:

    At this important times of year we should be thinking only of one thing and only of one person.

    Chocolate. And @MaxPB.

    The best chocolate in the world comes from Sprungli in Zurich. Which is where Max is. Lucky so-and-so.

    Lindt
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    @PBModerator

    Thanks for the clarification although I have no recollection of interacting with the poster you have named as I have been careful not to do so ever since you first established that ordinance. I am not challenging you on this point, merely saying I don't recall the incident. If you could PM me with clarification, that would be great.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569

    HEY, RobD, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...
    Mummy will have you evacuated on a train, with your gas mask in a box tied with a piece of string.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    That is not the point, the point is it is a symbol of the Easter holiday mandated by government and May has reinforced that message alongside Corbyn and the Church to reestablish its religious meaning against the militant securalism being pushed by Cadbury
    What May and Corbyn have to say on the matter is irrelevant. The festival is a pagan festival and you could equally argue that Christianity has itself coopted it for its own financial gain.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    HYUFD said:

    For the Christian Real Easter Egg Company this is certainly an opportunity to eat into Cadbury market share
    http://www.realeasteregg.co.uk/
    Would that be a Catholic or Protestant Christian Real Easter Egg Company?

    We shouild be told.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TOPPING said:

    Don't lecture us sunshine there's always CiF if you feel we're insufficiently relevant here.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/04/theresa-may-condemns-national-trust-for-axing-easter-from-egg-hunt

    4,705 comments and still counting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    You mean the more money they spend buying arms from us, the less money they have to spend on funding extremist propaganda in our country?
    If the Saudi regime falls militants most likely replace it and they are a useful market in the immediate aftermath of Brexit for the UK
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865
    One for Morty and all the rest of the bus riders....

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/04/04/periodic-table-daily-mail-outrage/

    As for the Easter thing, sounds like a fake storm in an eggcup to me.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    HYUFD said:

    Yes they exploit religious festivals mercilessly
    https://www.quercusbooks.co.uk/books/detail.page?isbn=9781786486868
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    bobajobPB said:

    That well known Norse myth about Thor taking on the Incredible Hulk. Yes, I remember studying that one at school.
    He was at least still called Thor
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    It is still the basis of the Easter holiday and if companies want to exploit they exploit what comes with it too
    I will be exploiting the Easter holiday by having four days off eating and drinking. Come and have a go if you think you are pious enough.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Cyclefree said:

    OK: A question for the PB Brains Trust.

    How does one get onto the speaker circuit? Does one need an agent or send in one's CV to one of the many agencies?

    If anyone has any brilliant ideas, let me know or vanilla mail me.

    Thank you :)

    There are agencies that specialize in this. I was on the Greater Talent Network for a while, for instance. Don't know UK-specific ones, but I am sure Google can help out.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    bobajobPB said:

    What May and Corbyn have to say on the matter is irrelevant. The festival is a pagan festival and you could equally argue that Christianity has itself coopted it for its own financial gain.
    The holiday is a Christian festival and this is part of the culture war
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    TOPPING said:

    Don't lecture us sunshine there's always CiF if you feel we're insufficiently relevant here.
    Charmed I'm sure. It is funny how lefties are always pro terrorist anti Israeli, etc, yet suggest not doing business with the Saudis ...outrageous.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    bobajobPB said:

    I will be exploiting the Easter holiday by having four days off eating and drinking. Come and have a go if you think you are pious enough.
    Marking a holiday given to you to commemorate a Christian festival
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Lindt

    Lindt of Switzerland for me too.

    http://www.lindt.co.uk/shop/seasonal-chocolates/easter-eggs

    No more EU chocolate from Belgium for me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    https://www.quercusbooks.co.uk/books/detail.page?isbn=9781786486868
    Mother's Day at least gets a mention
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    Marking a holiday given to you to commemorate a Christian festival
    A pagan festival.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    HYUFD said:

    That regime buys vast quantities of our exports
    money for murder, we are open for business
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    bobajobPB said:

    What May and Corbyn have to say on the matter is irrelevant. The festival is a pagan festival and you could equally argue that Christianity has itself coopted it for its own financial gain.
    Which Pagan festival did you have in mind?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Where ? At the feet, body, head, anywhere of Corbyn and the loonies. It is not that they are incompetent. This lot are not good politicians either. Left wingers were smart about such things. Look at how Livingstone manipulated matters against a hostile press.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    bobajobPB said:

    I will be exploiting the Easter holiday by having four days off eating and drinking. Come and have a go if you think you are pious enough.
    I will make up for you Bob , don't fret about it.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    bobajobPB said:

    I will be exploiting the Easter holiday by having four days off eating and drinking. Come and have a go if you think you are pious enough.
    What will you br giving up for Lent?
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 475
    Why do the top 1% pay 30% of income tax? Because income inequality has increased considerably since the top rate last stood at 83% and Mrs. Thatcher was PM. The marginal tax and NI rate is now higher if one earns £100k/y than if one earns £1-10M. One loses the personal allowance and beyond a point one pays no more NI. That makes little sense.

    Ending the NI upper limit would have support I think if it goes to 'health and social security'. We could also pay a higher state pension on much higher incomes, in return for some but not all of the extra NI. The US does.
    The upper limit on NI was removed years ago. There is no point where one stops paying NI. The rate drops to 2% for earnings over about £43k but it does not drop to zero no matter how much you earn.

    And no, the marginal tax rate is not higher on £100k/year than on £1M/year. If you earn £100k you will typically take home around £66k, with 34% of your pay going to the tax man. If you earn £1M/year your take home pay will be around £541k, so you will lose 46% of your pay in tax and NI. If you earn £10M/year you will take home around £5.31M, so around 47% of your pay has gone in tax and NI.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017
    dixiedean said:

    Charmed I'm sure. It is funny how lefties are always pro terrorist anti Israeli, etc, yet suggest not doing business with the Saudis ...outrageous.
    Why not ? Why can't you be anti-Israeli and anti-Saudi ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    RobD said:

    Buying inferior weapons may actually perversely make it worse. If they genuinely aren't trying to kill civilians (I would hope they aren't, but you never know), then having a missile that can accurately target someone is a plus.
    Yes I am sure all those women and children were well armed
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    RobD said:

    And would just buy their weapons from elsewhere. The small consolation is we can try and use that influence to do some good.
    what horse manure, do you have no morals or principles, is money your only goal.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    surbiton said:

    Why not ? Why can't you be anti-Israeli and anti-Saudi ?
    You can.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited April 2017

    The upper limit on NI was removed years ago. There is no point where one stops paying NI. The rate drops to 2% for earnings over about £43k but it does not drop to zero no matter how much you earn.

    And no, the marginal tax rate is not higher on £100k/year than on £1M/year. If you earn £100k you will typically take home around £66k, with 34% of your pay going to the tax man. If you earn £1M/year your take home pay will be around £541k, so you will lose 46% of your pay in tax and NI. If you earn £10M/year you will take home around £5.31M, so around 47% of your pay has gone in tax and NI.



    But the marginal rate of tax for someone on £100k is about 60% de to the personal allowance withdrawal, which is lower than for someone on £150k
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    dixiedean said:

    Charmed I'm sure. It is funny how lefties are always pro terrorist anti Israeli, etc, yet suggest not doing business with the Saudis ...outrageous.
    That's as maybe. But in what way does it follow on from your berating us for not discussing the ishoos?

    Or are you starting your own mini-thread?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    malcolmg said:

    what horse manure, do you have no morals or principles, is money your only goal.
    They would only ever buy weapons from us? I don't think that is the case.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    surbiton said:

    Why not ? Why can't you be anti-Israeli and anti-Saudi ?
    Like Iran for example
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Cyclefree said:

    OK: A question for the PB Brains Trust.

    How does one get onto the speaker circuit? Does one need an agent or send in one's CV to one of the many agencies?

    If anyone has any brilliant ideas, let me know or vanilla mail me.

    Thank you :)


    First become Prime Minister or Chancellor of the Exchequer.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    And would just buy their weapons from elsewhere. The small consolation is we can try and use that influence to do some good.
    Why do we bullshit about we can influence them ? Do they give a shit ? Do we give a shit ? It's some Yemeni children are dying. Thanks to British exports.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    Like Iran for example
    Or, me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    bobajobPB said:

    A pagan festival.
    The holiday is for the Christian festival
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    malcolmg said:

    money for murder, we are open for business
    Plenty of BAE jobs in Scotland exporting to Saudi Arabia
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,661
    edited April 2017


    First become Prime Minister or Chancellor of the Exchequer.

    Second, lose an election or referendum :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    surbiton said:

    Why do we bullshit about we can influence them ? Do they give a shit ? Do we give a shit ? It's some Yemeni children are dying. Thanks to British exports.
    I doubt you think Britain could influence anything, so is it worth arguing?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited April 2017
    TOPPING said:

    That's as maybe. But in what way does it follow on from your berating us for not discussing the ishoos?

    Or are you starting your own mini-thread?
    I wasn't berating anyone. I certainly didn't intend to give any such impression. If it came across as such then I apologise.
    Edit. Having read back I can see how it could. Poor choice of words. Mea culpa.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited April 2017
    On thread.

    Wealth is only increased through higher productivity.

    This also applies to Education and Health where the Government is right to expect more for less.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    surbiton said:

    Or, me.
    I am sure the Ayatollahs will be grateful for your support
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    HYUFD said:

    Plenty of BAE jobs in Scotland exporting to Saudi Arabia
    A load more highly skilled and well paid jobs ready to move to England if the Scottish government decides it doesn't want a defence industry.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    ****
    The upper limit on NI was removed years ago. There is no point where one stops paying NI. The rate drops to 2% for earnings over about £43k but it does not drop to zero no matter how much you earn.

    And no, the marginal tax rate is not higher on £100k/year than on £1M/year. If you earn £100k you will typically take home around £66k, with 34% of your pay going to the tax man. If you earn £1M/year your take home pay will be around £541k, so you will lose 46% of your pay in tax and NI. If you earn £10M/year you will take home around £5.31M, so around 47% of your pay has gone in tax and NI.

    ****
    N.B. The quote button is 'playing up'. Replying to above comment:

    These accountants say that in the income range £50k to £100k/y the marginal tax rate including NI could rise as high as 62% (or 66% including the child benefit anomaly):
    http://www.marshvision.com/LG-Tax-Marginal-Tax-Rates-2013.asp

    I know these are figures for 2013 but I'm not aware of the system being rationalised since. Of course, this firm of accountants claims that paying them for advice might reduce these rates somewhat. But they seem unlikely to drop as low as the marginal rate paid on incomes in the range £1-10M/y.

    The top income tax rate is 45%. If NI falls to 2%, the marginal tax rate at those income levels will be 47%. That's the usual definition of 'marginal', i.e., it's the tax rate paid on each extra £ of income.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    On thread.

    Wealth is only increased through higher productivity.

    This also applies to Education and Health where the Government is right to expect more for less.

    If you want change, you have to invest.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Sandpit said:

    A load more highly skilled and well paid jobs ready to move to England if the Scottish government decides it doesn't want a defence industry.
    Certainly
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    dixiedean said:

    That is a bold prediction. Are you talking actual votes or equivalent national share?
    Equivalent vote share. It's not a prediction though, just what could happen if Labour do particularly badly.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,502
    O/T I see one in five gay voters in France supports MLP.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635

    On thread.

    Wealth is only increased through higher productivity.

    This also applies to Education and Health where the Government is right to expect more for less.

    If we find oil tomorrow in Reading we will be a lot richer but not more productive.

    Investing in education and health can improve worker productivity.

    The cuts to social care have surely made the overall system much less productive with record levels of delayed discharges from hospital.
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