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There’s a fierce attack in the Canary on GfK and its research director known well to PBers, Kieran Pedley.
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The answer is obvious. They're all part of the same conspiracy.0
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None so blind as those that don't want to see.0
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3rd. emember that The Canary was founded by a former Occupidiot. Perhaps a future girlf for Mr T.
That realisation won't happen ... any more than you can have a debate about Genneral Relatively with a feathered canary.0 -
Second like remain0
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Good to see big Pharma enter the polling business0
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"The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."
Not until the day after the GE they don't.0 -
FPT:
Ha ha, that's almost the canonical out-of-touch comment. Dave couldn't quite pull it off in the end, and we saw through him.SeanT said:I still remember that Cameron speech where he wanted to advise voters to just "pay off their credit card debts" and not let them get any worse.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045364/David-Cameron-Every-household-pay-credit-card-store-debts.html
In the end he amended the speech but the original draft leaked.
At that point I thought, Fuck, he's clueless, he really doesn't know how so many people live. And this was in the end his nemesis, he misjudged the British mood on Brexit. And that is his entire legacy.0 -
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I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.0
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FPT
Sunil Prasannan said:
' And the Germans never mistreated Russian or other prisoners pre-1944?'
But that is never denied and some of those responsible were tried and executed. That did not happen to Allied forces guilty of similar acts. Hypocrisy and double standards?0 -
And tonight Justin124 types away in his Lederhosenjustin124 said:FPT
Sunil Prasannan said:
' And the Germans never mistreated Russian or other prisoners pre-1944?'
But that is never denied and some of those responsible were tried and executed. That did not happen to Allied forces guilty of similar acts. Hypocrisy and double standards?
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You think it will dawn on them even then?Pong said:"The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."
Not until the day after the GE they don't.
Too many of these leftists are not on speaking terms with reality.0 -
Corbynistas see more conspiracies than chief trump cheerleader Alex Jones !!0
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That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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I told them I only ate Kosher food.glw said:
That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Where'd you get Kosher babies from?TheScreamingEagles said:
I told them I only ate Kosher food.glw said:
That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Same angels ^_~TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Did you tell him you were circumcised?TheScreamingEagles said:
I told them I only ate Kosher food.glw said:
That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.Pong said:"The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."
Not until the day after the GE they don't.
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Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
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My wife and I made ours the traditional wayRobD said:
Where'd you get Kosher babies from?TheScreamingEagles said:
I told them I only ate Kosher food.glw said:
That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
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Surely the last time the 2017 seats were contested was 2013?another_richard said:Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.0 -
I really don't like the Jewish religious clothes.Sean_F said:
Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
Plus those beards the Hasidic Jews have, with me a beard like that would be a fire hazard.0 -
Remember to mark an x with a pen...FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.Pong said:"The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."
Not until the day after the GE they don't.0 -
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3 new polls todaydr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/846822184546918401
BBC pick up Penelope Fillon story.
Opinionway
Rd 1 Le Pen 26% Macron 24% Fillon 20% Melenchon 14% Hamon 10%
Runoff Macron 62% Le Pen 38%
http://presicote.factoviz.com/index/more/id/qoo_lew_1
Ipsos
Rd 1 Le Pen 25% Macron 24% Fillon 18% Melenchon 14% Hamon 12%
Runoff Macron 62% Le Pen 38%
http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/enquetepresidentielle1v4_1.pdf
Ifop
Rd 1 Macron 25.5% Le Pen 25% Fillon 17.5% Melenchon 14% Hamon 10.5%
Runoff Macron 60% Le Pen 40%
http://dataviz.ifop.com:8080/IFOP_ROLLING/IFOP_28-03-2017.pdf0 -
Mostly although there are differences.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surely the last time the 2017 seats were contested was 2013?another_richard said:Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
But the likes of Curtice, Rallings and Thrasher will be calculating the national equivalent vote percentages and we'll see which parties have increased or decreased since last year.
The actual gains and losses of councillors and councils will be compared with 2013 in England and 2012 in Scotland and Wales.
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These things can be subtlety altered to make a statement if you wish.TheScreamingEagles said:
I really don't like the Jewish religious clothes.Sean_F said:
Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.TheScreamingEagles said:I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
Plus those beards the Hasidic Jews have, with me a beard like that would be a fire hazard.
I have a friend who has a Liverpool FC crest on his kepa.0 -
The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?0
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The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)another_richard said:Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...0 -
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GfK have been working on the exit poll of GE2010 and GE2015, I think they know what they are doing.IanB2 said:The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?
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Did some calling in the West of England Mayoral race last night, will probably be a 3 way battle between the LDs, Labour and the ToriesPulpstar said:
The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)another_richard said:Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...0 -
The Canary headline is "The truth about the polling company behind those ‘Corbyn as unpopular as Trump’ headlines" but the only charges are:
a) "The Independent fired GfK (then known as NOP) mysteriously after the 2005 general election" (which has already been commented on here)
and b) "The company’s board is a who’s who of international business; containing former employees of firms like IBM, Unilever, Accenture, Johnson and Johnson, and Proctor and Gamble. The research director in charge is London School of Economics graduate Keiran Pedley. He spent three years in Washington-based firm PSB, which represents clients such as Coca Cola, Walmart and McDonald’s" So the people who run it come from multinational businesses.
That's it. That's the truth about GfK. The implication is that it is a right wing polling company that is distorting the polling about Corbyn. Big deal.
The rest of the article about push-pulling etc is sensible.
It is clearly a left-wing leaning organisation, from the charges it makes and its business model.
I think Mike has is tongue firmly in his cheek when he says "My assumption is that @TheCanarySays is a Tory front organisation designed to keep the hapless Corbyn power."
Or he is channeling Trump by creating confusion.
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Why the fuck are we talking about Corbyn? Global Britain is about to be launched.
Have to say as a remainer I'm delighted. The phoney war is at last over and Mutti actually needs to deliver now. No more meaningless bullshit, it's real.0 -
Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970
I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...
@Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.0 -
Labour in Bristol have been acting as bankers to an errant councillor and deputy mayor who owed £5,000 in Council Tax.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/deputy-mayor-owed-more-5000-14757
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Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?Pulpstar said:Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970
I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...
@Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.0 -
Agreed, 2012 is a good comparison for NEV - governments are often at their weakest two years into the electoral cycle, even Blair was only marginally ahead in the 1999 local elections.Pulpstar said:
The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)another_richard said:Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.
Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:
Lab 31%
Con 30%
LibD 15%
UKIP 12%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016
I suspect there will be quite a change.
It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.
But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...
IIRC West Midlands was 21 Lab 7 Con in 2015 while Lesser Avon ** was 6 Con 3 Lab. By that West Midlands should be an easy Labour win and Lesser Avon a toss up but Mayoral elections tend to be strongly influenced by the candidate choice. It might also be interesting that West Midlands was strongly Leave while Lesser Avon was comfortably Remain.
I think of it as Lesser Avon as its the old Avon county less the North Somerset district - and 'West of England' is a ridiculous name for such a small geographic area.
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I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
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Watching Kezia Dugdale. She's out in the water and stabbing her lifejacket repeatedly with a needle. Scottish Labour utterly clueless.0
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Do you need to write a letter to join Tinder?Tykejohnno said:0 -
Yea. Well dodgy putting the Tories in the lead.IanB2 said:The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?
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Michael Heseltine has called - and says he wants his hair back now....GeoffM said:
Needs a haircut, that chap.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
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Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520
Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.0 -
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Tony: "I feel the hand of history on our shoulders."dr_spyn said:0 -
Happy Brexit Eve PB.
Everyone suitably excited I hope? 0 -
Bought myself a bottle of beer to drink tomorrow night.GIN1138 said:Happy Brexit Eve PB.
Everyone suitably excited I hope?0 -
I'm very excited.GIN1138 said:Happy Brexit Eve PB.
Everyone suitably excited I hope?0 -
Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.Tykejohnno said:0 -
But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....SeanT said:
All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.0 -
You do make me laugh sean ;-)SeanT said:Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks
We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.0 -
I need to find that "it's happening" gif..
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Commonwealth of Virginia? There are some almost-drinkable wines from there.rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/8468204482559795200 -
But so much for the hologramatic delivery we all wanted
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Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.MarqueeMark said:
But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....SeanT said:
All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
(Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)0 -
A perry, surely.kyf_100 said:
Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520
Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.0 -
In the same way that the Palestinian Authority is "sovereign"?TOPPING said:
Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.MarqueeMark said:
But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....SeanT said:
All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
(Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)0 -
I think it is fair to say in some areas we were de jure but not de facto sovereign.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In the same way that the Palestinian Authority is "sovereign"?TOPPING said:
Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.MarqueeMark said:
But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....SeanT said:It is done
twitter.com/SleymanGcl2/status/846830979570417664
All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
(Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)0 -
I believe so although it would somehing of a poisoned chalice in the Republic if the North did follow through.TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?Pulpstar said:Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970
I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...
@Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.
On the tweet, it's hard for a non-MP QC to be other than pretty bright so why Maugham is peddling that line is interesting.0 -
Betting post
One bright spot for Corbyn in the mayoralty will surely be the Merseyside mayor.
Steve Rotheram is obviously popular too in Liverpool judging by the staggering 81% he got in Liverpool Walton at GE2015. It isn't quite as safe as that for Labour but it is safe methinks.
I have 300 on at 1-10, and would be utterly shocked if I was to lose money on this particular event.
https://twitter.com/Psephography/status/842807749788413952
Having looked again at the West of England, the odds actually look correct to me.0 -
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What sort of man allows his wife to face this sort of ordeal alone for 13 hours, while he campaigns for votes which he hopes will give himself immunity?
"Rather than assist Ms Fillon with her ordeal in Paris today, 63-year-old Mr Fillon continued with his election campaign, as aides said it was 'business as usual'.
Ms Fillon arrived at the offices of financial judges in central Paris at 9am, and finally left in a chauffer driven limousine just after 10pm, without speaking to reporters."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4358186/Francois-Fillon-s-wife-charged-criminal-offences.html#ixzz4cerqiwF6
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English sparkling wine of course, with tariffs on French, Italian and Spanish wine likely and the £ likely to remain low for some time you will be drinking a lot more of it!kyf_100 said:
Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520
Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.0 -
I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.0
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Did you miss out Zionists?FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.Pong said:"The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."
Not until the day after the GE they don't.0 -
I must admit I am feeling a pang of sadness for the first time since we voted to leave, and i've generally been pretty pragmatic about Brexit so far (well, that's my opinion of myself anyway).
I have gone through the 5 stages in an odd way. Never entered denial because I had always suspected leave could win it. Anger was the immediate reaction, which gave way to bargaining for soft brexit around about the time of the tory leadership contest. I shortly skipped straight to acceptance, with a short retreat into depression tonight (although hopefully I don't retreat back into the earlier stages!)0 -
The UK has been here many times before. Henry VIII v. Papal Europe, King Philip of Spain, King Louis of France, Napoleon, and Hitler.TOPPING said:
You sound scared.SeanT said:Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks
We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.
Napoleon even tried to lock us out of trading with the whole continent. We opened up new global markets, and prospered.
Economic disruption? Possible. Scared? No, not in the slightest.0 -
Treasury forecast not pessimistic enough??Ally_B said:I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.
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I'm intrigued. It is a new and interesting world we've embarked upon.MarqueeMark said:
I think we've done it on a false premise, as does the Brexit SoS, but here we are.
My concern is for those who, as ever, any economic fallout will hit hardest. Compounded no doubt by better off Leavers telling them that it is a price worth paying.0 -
Superb trolling by the Mail.Tykejohnno said:0 -
Possibly because like many bright people he believes all others around him are thick - therefore he can get away with it because we aren't clever enough to know better.matt said:
I believe so although it would somehing of a poisoned chalice in the Republic if the North did follow through.TheScreamingEagles said:
Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?Pulpstar said:Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970
I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...
@Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.
On the tweet, it's hard for a non-MP QC to be other than pretty bright so why Maugham is peddling that line is interesting.0 -
It is a day for rejoicing.Ally_B said:I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.
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Yep definitely scared.SeanT said:
lol. I've drunk half a bottle of vintage Veuve, I'm totally minted, I am six figures richer than I was a day ago, and I'm fucking an incredibly hot 21 year old who says my books make her cry.TOPPING said:
You sound scared.SeanT said:Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks
We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.
I've had some times in my life when I've been truly scared. Like, when I spent that first night in prison on a rape charge. Or indeed waiting for the rape trial verdict at the Old Bailey.
The time I was nearly knifed in a Marseilles slum. Being two inches from a pride of lions without a gun. A heroin overdose in Islington. A heroin overdose in Bloomsbury. The time I ended up alone in the Siberian tundra. The night I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah in the Lebanon in a village being shelled and strafed by the Israeli military.
And so on, and so forth.
Right now? No, I would not characterise my mood as *scared*
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They can stick it up their Juncker!Danny565 said:
Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.Tykejohnno said: 0 -
Why does A C Grayling say that "37% of a gerrymandered electorate is not a mandate"? If the entire electorate is one district, as it was in the referendum, gerrymandering is logically impossible, surely?0
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Something from England, something from Wales, something from Scotland, something from Northern Ireland.kyf_100 said:
Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520
Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
If you can't find wine then substitute with beer and spirits.0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/28/end-affair-historic-day-article-50-triggered-will-unfold/
As she begins her weekly Prime Minister’s Questions in Parliament at noon, Sir Tim will set off on his short journey in Brussels. Details of exactly how and where he will meet Mr Tusk, as well as his planned route, have been kept tightly under wraps because of fears that Remainers might try to intercept the letter in a final act of defiance.
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Your not allowed to use your man o' war to steal land and wealth these days.Casino_Royale said:
The UK has been here many times before. Henry VIII v. Papal Europe, King Philip of Spain, King Louis of France, Napoleon, and Hitler.TOPPING said:
You sound scared.SeanT said:Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks
We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.
Napoleon even tried to lock us out of trading with the whole continent. We opened up new global markets, and prospered.
Economic disruption? Possible. Scared? No, not in the slightest.0 -
Or a wine that is heavy on aroma and light on body?another_richard said:
Something from England, something from Wales, something from Scotland, something from Northern Ireland.kyf_100 said:
Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?rcs1000 said:
I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.SeanT said:As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520
Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
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Hopefully in a few years time Liberation Day will be marked with a Bank Holiday.Sean_F said:
It is a day for rejoicing.Ally_B said:I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.
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Labour defence list for the local elections:
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I'm suitably worried and also suitably saddened...GIN1138 said:Happy Brexit Eve PB.
Everyone suitably excited I hope?
However, I would like to take this opportunity to genuinely wish a very happy day to those PBers who will be celebrating tomorrow.
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Telling the EU to "stick it up their Juncker" (or, to be fair, the EU telling us something similar) will just result in mutually-assured destruction.NeilVW said:
They can stick it up their Juncker!Danny565 said:
Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.Tykejohnno said:0
