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edited March 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If indeed GfK is part of a conspiracy against Corbyn then how come other pollsters have similar numbers?

There’s a fierce attack in the Canary on GfK and its research director known well to PBers, Kieran Pedley.

Read the full story here


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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730
    The answer is obvious. They're all part of the same conspiracy.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,490
    None so blind as those that don't want to see.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    edited March 2017
    3rd. emember that The Canary was founded by a former Occupidiot. Perhaps a future girlf for Mr T.

    That realisation won't happen ... any more than you can have a debate about Genneral Relatively with a feathered canary.
  • danielmawbsdanielmawbs Posts: 96
    Second like remain
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Good to see big Pharma enter the polling business
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/846822184546918401

    BBC pick up Penelope Fillon story.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    "The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."

    Not until the day after the GE they don't.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    I still remember that Cameron speech where he wanted to advise voters to just "pay off their credit card debts" and not let them get any worse.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045364/David-Cameron-Every-household-pay-credit-card-store-debts.html

    In the end he amended the speech but the original draft leaked.

    At that point I thought, Fuck, he's clueless, he really doesn't know how so many people live. And this was in the end his nemesis, he misjudged the British mood on Brexit. And that is his entire legacy.

    Ha ha, that's almost the canonical out-of-touch comment. Dave couldn't quite pull it off in the end, and we saw through him.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Ninth :smiley:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    FPT
    Sunil Prasannan said:

    ' And the Germans never mistreated Russian or other prisoners pre-1944?'

    But that is never denied and some of those responsible were tried and executed. That did not happen to Allied forces guilty of similar acts. Hypocrisy and double standards?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    justin124 said:

    FPT
    Sunil Prasannan said:

    ' And the Germans never mistreated Russian or other prisoners pre-1944?'

    But that is never denied and some of those responsible were tried and executed. That did not happen to Allied forces guilty of similar acts. Hypocrisy and double standards?

    And tonight Justin124 types away in his Lederhosen :lol:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    Pong said:

    "The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."

    Not until the day after the GE they don't.

    You think it will dawn on them even then?

    Too many of these leftists are not on speaking terms with reality.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    Corbynistas see more conspiracies than chief trump cheerleader Alex Jones !!
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!
    I told them I only ate Kosher food.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!
    I told them I only ate Kosher food.
    Where'd you get Kosher babies from? :o
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    Same angels ^_~
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!
    I told them I only ate Kosher food.
    Did you tell him you were circumcised? :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    Pong said:

    "The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."

    Not until the day after the GE they don't.

    Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    That's exactly what a secret Jew would say!
    I told them I only ate Kosher food.
    Where'd you get Kosher babies from? :o
    My wife and I made ours the traditional way :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    another_richard said:

    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.

    Surely the last time the 2017 seats were contested was 2013?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.
    I really don't like the Jewish religious clothes.

    Plus those beards the Hasidic Jews have, with me a beard like that would be a fire hazard.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited March 2017
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Pong said:

    "The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."

    Not until the day after the GE they don't.

    Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.
    Remember to mark an x with a pen...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/846796215543058432
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited March 2017
    duplicate
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/846822184546918401

    BBC pick up Penelope Fillon story.

    3 new polls today

    Opinionway

    Rd 1 Le Pen 26% Macron 24% Fillon 20% Melenchon 14% Hamon 10%

    Runoff Macron 62% Le Pen 38%
    http://presicote.factoviz.com/index/more/id/qoo_lew_1

    Ipsos

    Rd 1 Le Pen 25% Macron 24% Fillon 18% Melenchon 14% Hamon 12%

    Runoff Macron 62% Le Pen 38%
    http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/enquetepresidentielle1v4_1.pdf

    Ifop

    Rd 1 Macron 25.5% Le Pen 25% Fillon 17.5% Melenchon 14% Hamon 10.5%

    Runoff Macron 60% Le Pen 40%
    http://dataviz.ifop.com:8080/IFOP_ROLLING/IFOP_28-03-2017.pdf
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    another_richard said:

    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.

    Surely the last time the 2017 seats were contested was 2013?
    Mostly although there are differences.

    But the likes of Curtice, Rallings and Thrasher will be calculating the national equivalent vote percentages and we'll see which parties have increased or decreased since last year.

    The actual gains and losses of councillors and councils will be compared with 2013 in England and 2012 in Scotland and Wales.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll never forget the time a Corbynista accused me of peddling Zionist polling because I'm a Jew.

    Perhaps you're an honorary Jew.
    I really don't like the Jewish religious clothes.

    Plus those beards the Hasidic Jews have, with me a beard like that would be a fire hazard.
    These things can be subtlety altered to make a statement if you wish.
    I have a friend who has a Liverpool FC crest on his kepa.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289
    The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    another_richard said:

    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.

    The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)

    My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/846796215543058432

    LEAVE in SILENCE:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    IanB2 said:

    The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?

    GfK have been working on the exit poll of GE2010 and GE2015, I think they know what they are doing.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    ttps://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    Needs a haircut, that chap.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.

    The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)

    My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...
    Did some calling in the West of England Mayoral race last night, will probably be a 3 way battle between the LDs, Labour and the Tories
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    edited March 2017
    The Canary headline is "The truth about the polling company behind those ‘Corbyn as unpopular as Trump’ headlines" but the only charges are:

    a) "The Independent fired GfK (then known as NOP) mysteriously after the 2005 general election" (which has already been commented on here)

    and b) "The company’s board is a who’s who of international business; containing former employees of firms like IBM, Unilever, Accenture, Johnson and Johnson, and Proctor and Gamble. The research director in charge is London School of Economics graduate Keiran Pedley. He spent three years in Washington-based firm PSB, which represents clients such as Coca Cola, Walmart and McDonald’s" So the people who run it come from multinational businesses.

    That's it. That's the truth about GfK. The implication is that it is a right wing polling company that is distorting the polling about Corbyn. Big deal.

    The rest of the article about push-pulling etc is sensible.

    It is clearly a left-wing leaning organisation, from the charges it makes and its business model.

    I think Mike has is tongue firmly in his cheek when he says "My assumption is that @TheCanarySays is a Tory front organisation designed to keep the hapless Corbyn power."
    Or he is channeling Trump by creating confusion.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/846828995895164930
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,838
    edited March 2017
    Why the fuck are we talking about Corbyn? Global Britain is about to be launched.

    Have to say as a remainer I'm delighted. The phoney war is at last over and Mutti actually needs to deliver now. No more meaningless bullshit, it's real.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/846829514336485376
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970

    I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
    It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...

    @Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Labour in Bristol have been acting as bankers to an errant councillor and deputy mayor who owed £5,000 in Council Tax.

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/deputy-mayor-owed-more-5000-14757
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,373
    Pulpstar said:

    Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970

    I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
    It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...

    @Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.

    Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    Polls can be denied but its a lot harder to deny actual votes.

    Five weeks to the local elections and the NEV of 2017 will be compared to those of 2016:

    Lab 31%
    Con 30%
    LibD 15%
    UKIP 12%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2016

    I suspect there will be quite a change.

    It was Corbyn's good fortune that Osborne's incompetent Budget and Cameron's incompetent EU negotiating allowed Labour to 'win' the 2016 local elections.

    But last year's good fortune has set the bar higher for this year.

    The results will be compared to 2016 no doubt, but also 2013. The correct comparison I think is 2012 mind, in terms of building a 5 year data set for the next GE (High r^2 to locals)

    My tip on Labour in the West Midlands is interesting, if it loses it represents a big big shift from 2016 (Check the locals in Coventry and Birmingham). Also, ordinarily Labour SHOULD be very strong contenders for the West of England - it is telling they are the dog in the race, even though Bristol is half the seat... that ought to be a Lib Dem-Labour contest in any "normal" Tory mid term...
    Agreed, 2012 is a good comparison for NEV - governments are often at their weakest two years into the electoral cycle, even Blair was only marginally ahead in the 1999 local elections.

    IIRC West Midlands was 21 Lab 7 Con in 2015 while Lesser Avon ** was 6 Con 3 Lab. By that West Midlands should be an easy Labour win and Lesser Avon a toss up but Mayoral elections tend to be strongly influenced by the candidate choice. It might also be interesting that West Midlands was strongly Leave while Lesser Avon was comfortably Remain.

    I think of it as Lesser Avon as its the old Avon county less the North Somerset district - and 'West of England' is a ridiculous name for such a small geographic area.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,838
    edited March 2017
    Watching Kezia Dugdale. She's out in the water and stabbing her lifejacket repeatedly with a needle. Scottish Labour utterly clueless.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Tykejohnno said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/846829514336485376

    Do you need to write a letter to join Tinder?
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 564
    IanB2 said:

    The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?

    Yea. Well dodgy putting the Tories in the lead.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    GeoffM said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    ttps://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    Needs a haircut, that chap.
    Michael Heseltine has called - and says he wants his hair back now....
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?

    Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/846832677454041089
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846832756030148609
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846832756030148609

    Tony: "I feel the hand of history on our shoulders."
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    IanB2 said:

    The GfK poll looks dodgy all round, not just the Labour figure. Maybe they've been away from the field so long they don't know what they are doing?

    Phone up 100 random people and ask them who they'll vote for.

    What's tricky about that?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Happy Brexit Eve PB.

    Everyone suitably excited I hope? :smiley:
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,252
    GIN1138 said:

    Happy Brexit Eve PB.

    Everyone suitably excited I hope? :smiley:

    Bought myself a bottle of beer to drink tomorrow night.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    GIN1138 said:

    Happy Brexit Eve PB.

    Everyone suitably excited I hope? :smiley:

    I'm very excited.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Tykejohnno said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/846832677454041089

    Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/MRJKilcoyne/status/846832001059639296
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    SeanT said:

    It is done

    https://twitter.com/SleymanGcl2/status/846830979570417664

    But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....

    All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You do make me laugh sean ;-)
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    GIN1138 said:

    Happy Brexit Eve PB.

    Everyone suitably excited I hope? :smiley:

    Ecstatic. I don't normally drink on Wednesday but will be raising a glass or three.

    South African, of course.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    I need to find that "it's happening" gif.. :p
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Anyone old enough to remember this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cIInxTAWMo
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Commonwealth of Virginia? There are some almost-drinkable wines from there.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    But so much for the hologramatic delivery we all wanted :(
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    It is done

    https://twitter.com/SleymanGcl2/status/846830979570417664

    But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....

    All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
    Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.

    (Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    kyf_100 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?

    Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
    A perry, surely.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/846835199338057729
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    It is done

    https://twitter.com/SleymanGcl2/status/846830979570417664

    But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....

    All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
    Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.

    (Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)
    In the same way that the Palestinian Authority is "sovereign"?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    It is done

    twitter.com/SleymanGcl2/status/846830979570417664

    But fuck, we came damn close to letting the Cleggs and the Clarkes and the Heseltines and the Farrons steal away to Brussels with our Parliamentary democracy....

    All those saying that Brexit is "too difficult" - well, that's what they tried to make it. Without ever asking the people if that is what they wanted. They should instead be giving us a grovelling apology for what they so nearly inflicted upon us by stealth.
    Yeah the next two years will be a piece of gateaux. But at least we'll get our sovereignty back.

    (Editor's note: we were always sovereign.)
    In the same way that the Palestinian Authority is "sovereign"?
    I think it is fair to say in some areas we were de jure but not de facto sovereign.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970

    I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
    It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...

    @Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.

    Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?
    I believe so although it would somehing of a poisoned chalice in the Republic if the North did follow through.

    On the tweet, it's hard for a non-MP QC to be other than pretty bright so why Maugham is peddling that line is interesting.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
    You sound peevish.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    Betting post

    One bright spot for Corbyn in the mayoralty will surely be the Merseyside mayor.

    Steve Rotheram is obviously popular too in Liverpool judging by the staggering 81% he got in Liverpool Walton at GE2015. It isn't quite as safe as that for Labour but it is safe methinks.

    I have 300 on at 1-10, and would be utterly shocked if I was to lose money on this particular event.

    https://twitter.com/Psephography/status/842807749788413952

    Having looked again at the West of England, the odds actually look correct to me.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    What sort of man allows his wife to face this sort of ordeal alone for 13 hours, while he campaigns for votes which he hopes will give himself immunity?

    "Rather than assist Ms Fillon with her ordeal in Paris today, 63-year-old Mr Fillon continued with his election campaign, as aides said it was 'business as usual'.
    Ms Fillon arrived at the offices of financial judges in central Paris at 9am, and finally left in a chauffer driven limousine just after 10pm, without speaking to reporters."


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4358186/Francois-Fillon-s-wife-charged-criminal-offences.html#ixzz4cerqiwF6
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  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846834799000141825
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017
    kyf_100 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?

    Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
    English sparkling wine of course, with tariffs on French, Italian and Spanish wine likely and the £ likely to remain low for some time you will be drinking a lot more of it!
  • Ally_BAlly_B Posts: 185
    I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Pong said:

    "The Corbyn cultists have simply got to accept that their man is electoral poison."

    Not until the day after the GE they don't.

    Don't be silly it will be because the Tory, the media and establishment illuminati fixed the GE.
    Did you miss out Zionists?
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    I must admit I am feeling a pang of sadness for the first time since we voted to leave, and i've generally been pretty pragmatic about Brexit so far (well, that's my opinion of myself anyway).

    I have gone through the 5 stages in an odd way. Never entered denial because I had always suspected leave could win it. Anger was the immediate reaction, which gave way to bargaining for soft brexit around about the time of the tory leadership contest. I shortly skipped straight to acceptance, with a short retreat into depression tonight (although hopefully I don't retreat back into the earlier stages!)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
    The UK has been here many times before. Henry VIII v. Papal Europe, King Philip of Spain, King Louis of France, Napoleon, and Hitler.

    Napoleon even tried to lock us out of trading with the whole continent. We opened up new global markets, and prospered.

    Economic disruption? Possible. Scared? No, not in the slightest.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Ally_B said:

    I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.

    Treasury forecast not pessimistic enough??
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    edited March 2017
    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
    You sound peevish.
    I'm intrigued. It is a new and interesting world we've embarked upon.

    I think we've done it on a false premise, as does the Brexit SoS, but here we are.

    My concern is for those who, as ever, any economic fallout will hit hardest. Compounded no doubt by better off Leavers telling them that it is a price worth paying.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    Give your daughter a hug.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    Tykejohnno said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846834799000141825

    Superb trolling by the Mail.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    matt said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Spotted on AC Grayling's twitter

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/846575218080595970

    I'm not sure what Jolyon is questioning here. If Scotland somehow joined Ireland (Post EU ref, post Indyref) the "Whisk(e)y Union" say then it would automatically become part of the EU again (Capital Dublin, not Edinburgh).
    It is the same for N Ire/Belfast - obviously there are more political/cultural reasons as to why it might happen, but my point remains...

    @Pulpstar continuing to point out bullshit on all sides since 1981.

    Isn't the other issue that Norn Iron joining the Republic is codified in The Good Friday Agreement ?
    I believe so although it would somehing of a poisoned chalice in the Republic if the North did follow through.

    On the tweet, it's hard for a non-MP QC to be other than pretty bright so why Maugham is peddling that line is interesting.
    Possibly because like many bright people he believes all others around him are thick - therefore he can get away with it because we aren't clever enough to know better.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730
    Ally_B said:

    I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.

    It is a day for rejoicing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
    lol. I've drunk half a bottle of vintage Veuve, I'm totally minted, I am six figures richer than I was a day ago, and I'm fucking an incredibly hot 21 year old who says my books make her cry.

    I've had some times in my life when I've been truly scared. Like, when I spent that first night in prison on a rape charge. Or indeed waiting for the rape trial verdict at the Old Bailey.

    The time I was nearly knifed in a Marseilles slum. Being two inches from a pride of lions without a gun. A heroin overdose in Islington. A heroin overdose in Bloomsbury. The time I ended up alone in the Siberian tundra. The night I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah in the Lebanon in a village being shelled and strafed by the Israeli military.

    And so on, and so forth.

    Right now? No, I would not characterise my mood as *scared*

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Yep definitely scared.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 733
    Danny565 said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/846832677454041089

    Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.
    They can stick it up their Juncker! :smile:
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Why does A C Grayling say that "37% of a gerrymandered electorate is not a mandate"? If the entire electorate is one district, as it was in the referendum, gerrymandering is logically impossible, surely?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    kyf_100 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?

    Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
    Something from England, something from Wales, something from Scotland, something from Northern Ireland.

    If you can't find wine then substitute with beer and spirits.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/28/end-affair-historic-day-article-50-triggered-will-unfold/

    As she begins her weekly Prime Minister’s Questions in Parliament at noon, Sir Tim will set off on his short journey in Brussels. Details of exactly how and where he will meet Mr Tusk, as well as his planned route, have been kept tightly under wraps because of fears that Remainers might try to intercept the letter in a final act of defiance.

    LOL.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Casino_Royale said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Fair play to Britain, we've got some bollocks

    We may have just committed national suicide, but fuck it, we're not easily scared.

    You sound scared.
    The UK has been here many times before. Henry VIII v. Papal Europe, King Philip of Spain, King Louis of France, Napoleon, and Hitler.

    Napoleon even tried to lock us out of trading with the whole continent. We opened up new global markets, and prospered.

    Economic disruption? Possible. Scared? No, not in the slightest.
    Your not allowed to use your man o' war to steal land and wealth these days.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289
    another_richard said:

    kyf_100 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    As we all drink our St Emilion Grand Cru on Brexit Eve, the twitter-stream of A C Grayling is quite something.

    Rage, rage against the dying of the light

    https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/846820448255979520

    I'm drinking a proper commonwealth wine, none of this EU muck for me.
    Can anyone tell me, what is the proper wine to drink with a Brexit?

    Never been overly keen on champagne. Besides, it may tip my colleagues off if I order a bottle tomorrow with my lunch.
    Something from England, something from Wales, something from Scotland, something from Northern Ireland.

    If you can't find wine then substitute with beer and spirits.
    Or a wine that is heavy on aroma and light on body?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Sean_F said:

    Ally_B said:

    I expect sometime in the future on this date effigies of May will be burnt by rUK citizens to commemorate the day the country was sold down the river to preserve the Conservative party. A very sad day for those who lived to see the UK to prosper.

    It is a day for rejoicing.
    Hopefully in a few years time Liberation Day will be marked with a Bank Holiday.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour defence list for the local elections:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CYIJsRJYlFUplcLiIVCkw0S6JPYLoXEXORSElPOvRI/edit#gid=0
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    GIN1138 said:

    Happy Brexit Eve PB.

    Everyone suitably excited I hope? :smiley:

    I'm suitably worried and also suitably saddened... :(

    However, I would like to take this opportunity to genuinely wish a very happy day to those PBers who will be celebrating tomorrow.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2017
    NeilVW said:

    Danny565 said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/846832677454041089

    Yes, the Sun really looks ready to accept "honouring international obligations" in terms of making outstanding payments.
    They can stick it up their Juncker! :smile:
    Telling the EU to "stick it up their Juncker" (or, to be fair, the EU telling us something similar) will just result in mutually-assured destruction.
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