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Charles said:

augustus_carp said:

Does anyone know why the hashtag #IstandwithTomWatson is trending on Twitter? Have I missed something? (And please, only give me an answer if it is short, reasonably accurate and generally comprehensible. I know that's a big ask, but I've had a tough day and I haven't got time to try to remember all the fuss that's been going on in the Labour Party for the last few months - life's too short.)

Because #I lie with Tom Watson is open to misinterpretation?

LOL

SeanT said:

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/845380987366363137

"Germany lost the war, yet Brexit let's them win the Peace"

Wow. Lol. Bye bye Lord H

Sounds like the FA might need to investigate Heseltine's singing.

GeoffM said:

Theuniondivvie said:

GeoffM said:

Theuniondivvie said:

not_on_fire said:

Apparently the Republican house voted over 60 times during Obama's presidency to repeal the ACA. But when given the chance to actually do it...

Virtue signallers..

At least you concede that wanting to repeal Obamacare is a virtue.

Yeah, & every time some alt righty whines out 'virtue signaller', they're acknowledging virtue.

Well played in conceding that.

You don't understand the phrase. The signalling part is the unpleasant bit.

Again, well played in conceding the unpleasant, impotent snivelling of voting over 60 times during Obama's presidency to repeal the ACA.

AlastairMeeks said:

Never mind, I'm sure there's a highly amusing alt right blog that will explain why Donald Trump has outsmarted all his opponents today.

Well Ms Plato's banned so we'll never know.

AlastairMeeks said:

Never mind, I'm sure there's a highly amusing alt right blog that will explain why Donald Trump has outsmarted all his opponents today.

https://imgur.com/Gbq5d

The date I'm not sure of, but the name "United Kingdom of Great-Britain" is there in the Act of Union

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416
Oh.

'The son of James Comyn Amherst Burnett of Leys and Fiona Mercedes Phillips, he is a fourth-great-grandson of Nicholas I of Russia on his mother's side. He was educated at Eton College and Newcastle University, where he graduated with an LL.B..'

'After withdrawing his health care bill from the House floor in an embarrassing defeat, Speaker Paul Ryan said Friday that “Obamacare is the law of the land” and will remain so “for the foreseeable future.”
“I don't know what else to say other than Obamacare is the law of the land,” Ryan told reporters shortly after House Republicans canceled a planned afternoon vote on their alternative to Barack Obama’s 2010 health care reform law.
“It's gonna remain the law of the land until it's replaced,” Ryan continued. “We did not have quite the votes to replace this law. And, so, yeah, we're going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future.” '
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-failed-paul-ryan-reaction-236478

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Orphan, it's not a great name for a party, but depending how things progress, it could grow rapidly. Will Farage join?

He should call it Veritas.

I thought there was one? Or has it gone the way of the dodo?

Merged into the English Democrats. Kilroy sat as an independent MEP from 2005 to 2009.

HYUFD said:

'After withdrawing his health care bill from the House floor in an embarrassing defeat, Speaker Paul Ryan said Friday that “Obamacare is the law of the land” and will remain so “for the foreseeable future.”
“I don't know what else to say other than Obamacare is the law of the land,” Ryan told reporters shortly after House Republicans canceled a planned afternoon vote on their alternative to Barack Obama’s 2010 health care reform law.
“It's gonna remain the law of the land until it's replaced,” Ryan continued. “We did not have quite the votes to replace this law. And, so, yeah, we're going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future.” '
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-failed-paul-ryan-reaction-236478

lol. Hillary Clinton must be smiling right now.

25 years after the battle started, the war is finally being won.

The Unite for Europe march tomorrow looks a little divided. I can understand that some of them might think that stretching Police resources in the capital at this time might be unhelpful.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/pro-eu-march-to-go-ahead-in-london-despite-westminster-attack

TwistedFireStopper said:

The Unite for Europe march tomorrow looks a little divided. I can understand that some of them might think that stretching Police resources in the capital at this time might be unhelpful.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/pro-eu-march-to-go-ahead-in-london-despite-westminster-attack

New organisers have asked that a controversial carnival float imported from Germany that shows a giant model of Theresa May with a gun in her mouth not now be brought to the march.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

The Unite for Europe march tomorrow looks a little divided. I can understand that some of them might think that stretching Police resources in the capital at this time might be unhelpful.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/pro-eu-march-to-go-ahead-in-london-despite-westminster-attack

New organisers have asked that a controversial carnival float imported from Germany that shows a giant model of Theresa May with a gun in her mouth not now be brought to the march.

That's probably for the best. Wouldn't look good for Farron, Clegg and Lammy to be seen with that at the minute.

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

surbiton said:

rcs1000 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Omnium, huzzah!

Mr. Orphan, I think Farage might wait and see if South Thanet gets re-run, then jump ship after he's either stood there or it's confirmed there's no re-run.

Mr. 1000, to be fair, Farage is an odd sort of political heavyweight, which Kilroy-Silk never was.

Mrs C, clearly a neo-Aryan alt-right populist propagandist.

Didn't Robert Kilroy-Silk actually manage to get elected as an MP, unlike Nigel Farage?

For which party ?

KIlroy -Silk was a LAB MP.

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

Yes!!!

Scored 2 tickets to see 2 episode of Peter Kay Car Share 2 at a cinema next friday...

which i'll then be able to watch for free on telly soon.

Oh.

Ishmael_Z said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

"The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empire. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But yes the Portuguese probably thought of it first

An auld alliance, as it were.

Ishmael_Z said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

"The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empire. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But yes the Portuguese probably thought of it first

All good stuff, thanks. One reason for Britain's position towards the top of the (numerical) table is because the British Empire lasted so much longer than the others. When considered on a numbers per annum" basis, I think it's the USA that ranks quite highly, but nowhere near the Spanish. And also, of course, those figures take no account of African Agency, which made the whole thing possible.
Curiously, in the history of the world, most slaves left the East coast of Africa, not the West - because they were going to Arabia.

Reports of a several people shot in lille. Anti terrorist services deployed.

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

"The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empire. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But yes the Portuguese probably thought of it first

All good stuff, thanks. One reason for Britain's position towards the top of the (numerical) table is because the British Empire lasted so much longer than the others. When considered on a numbers per annum" basis, I think it's the USA that ranks quite highly, but nowhere near the Spanish. And also, of course, those figures take no account of African Agency, which made the whole thing possible.
Curiously, in the history of the world, most slaves left the East coast of Africa, not the West - because they were going to Arabia.

Slavery still persists in Arabia and Africa.

Sean_F said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

"The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empire. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But yes the Portuguese probably thought of it first

All good stuff, thanks. One reason for Britain's position towards the top of the (numerical) table is because the British Empire lasted so much longer than the others. When considered on a numbers per annum" basis, I think it's the USA that ranks quite highly, but nowhere near the Spanish. And also, of course, those figures take no account of African Agency, which made the whole thing possible.
Curiously, in the history of the world, most slaves left the East coast of Africa, not the West - because they were going to Arabia.

Slavery still persists in Arabia and Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

HYUFD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

comic relief is struggling for the comedy elements... powerful stuff is done well though

I sometimes think they would raise more money if they promised not to show the programme

We're switching off to avoid the comedy bits and watching the important but tough stuff.... That's not always the case

Dude, help I agree with TPD Reckless.

https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/845242956600750081

If we have to pay higher prices for French beef, Welsh farmers can fill in the gap

It's their export market that will be fucked by a hard brexit. But hey, many of them voted for it, and I for one would rather see our own public money spent on schools and hospitals than subsidising land ownership. Heart of stone and all that.

Sean_F said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

augustus_carp said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Cyan said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Christ, Scottish education really is going down the pan.

https://twitter.com/HolyroodLiam/status/845315289566908416

Where does one start? He gets the name of the Union that came into effect in 1707 right, but there's a different union now. He gets the date wrong. What he's probably getting confused with is the date the Scottish Parliament adjourned, which was 25 March 1707. As for that, a union can't "invent" things, and what does it mean to say that the union "would go on" to rid the world of dictatorships and slavery? Several other mistakes could be mentioned in this semi-literate spew. Is Mr Burnett all right in the head? And why does he still have a Clarendon school sixth-form haircut at his age?

And congrats to us for stopping the transatlantic slave trade, but who does he think started it?

Well, it certainly wasn't the British! For the Transatlantic trade, you might want to start with the Spanish and/or the Portuguese, with the French not far behind.

"The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empire. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But yes the Portuguese probably thought of it first

All good stuff, thanks. One reason for Britain's position towards the top of the (numerical) table is because the British Empire lasted so much longer than the others. When considered on a numbers per annum" basis, I think it's the USA that ranks quite highly, but nowhere near the Spanish. And also, of course, those figures take no account of African Agency, which made the whole thing possible.
Curiously, in the history of the world, most slaves left the East coast of Africa, not the West - because they were going to Arabia.

Slavery still persists in Arabia and Africa.

And Asia and parts of Europe, sadly. Obviously, a lot depends on definitions, but the horror is still real. Philipina maids in Hong Kong without access to their own passports, and those tarmacking gangs imprisoning the mentally inadequate in Britain all count, as far as I am concerned.

TwistedFireStopper said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Reports of a several people shot in lille. Anti terrorist services deployed.

Where do you hear this sort of news so quickly? Twitter?

It's on the front page of Russia Today. Three people injured, not clear if it's terrorist related or not.

rcs1000 said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Reports of a several people shot in lille. Anti terrorist services deployed.

Where do you hear this sort of news so quickly? Twitter?

It's on the front page of Russia Today. Three people injured, not clear if it's terrorist related or not.

It's not on the BBC or Agence France Press (yet).

Did anyone see the Love Actually "sequel" on Comic Relief?!? Is it worth trying to track it down online?

Danny565 said:

Did anyone see the Love Actually "sequel" on Comic Relief?!? Is it worth trying to track it down online?

compared to the rest it was good but that's not a high bar. a sick Billy connelly appeal was petty moving along with Ed sheerans pieces. fair play to him.

The last and best...#IstandwithTomWatson I #PrayForTomWatson. In fact, #JeSuisTomWatson

SeanT said:

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/845380987366363137

"Germany lost the war, yet Brexit let's them win the Peace"

Wow. Lol. Bye bye Lord H

Surely Germany are in their dominant position within Europe by dint of its people having worked hard over the past 70 years and also as a result of its economy having been excellently managed, compared with, say, our own.

HYUFD said:

If we have to pay higher prices for French beef, Welsh farmers can fill in the gap

You know those big things with no wool but horns/udders? Them's called "cows". C-O-W-S. That's where "beef" and "milk" comes from.

You know those little woolly things that gambol around? Them's called "sheep". S-H-E-E-P. That's where "lamb" and "mutton" comes from.

Wales doesn't have that much in the way of flat bits. Welsh cyclists have thighs like condoms filled with walnuts. Wales does however have an absolute shitload of steep rainy bits covered in grass. Cows don't like slopes, on grounds of falling down and you do not want to get in the way. But sheep like it and can stay out in the cold and rain, because they have nice woolly coats and do gambolling like, um, lambs.

This is why Wales produces a lot of great lamb, and is less well known for beef.

If our Glorious Brexit Future involves paying more money for Welsh beef, English wine and Scottish bananas, we are in more trouble than I thought.

fitalass said:

The Herald - Survey finds trust levels in Scottish Government down

SNP bad.

TwistedFireStopper said:

Elli Mae O'Hagen really tying herself up in knots on the Sky News paper review to not blame the London attack on Islam. He's just a violent lone wolf with a history of violence towards women like many, many white men. It's disturbing that some people are so scared of causing offence that they'll forgive anything.

It really is rather strange isn't it.

I see a reporter in Canada at a paper I used to have respect for is saying our man was not actually a muslim.......

ok.................................

FrancisUrquhart said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Never mind, I'm sure there's a highly amusing alt right blog that will explain why Donald Trump has outsmarted all his opponents today.

Well Ms Plato's banned so we'll never know.

Really? Why did she get the ban hammer?

You don't really read pb for 2 days and you find two prominent posters have been banned.

who is the other one?

Floater said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Never mind, I'm sure there's a highly amusing alt right blog that will explain why Donald Trump has outsmarted all his opponents today.

Well Ms Plato's banned so we'll never know.

Really? Why did she get the ban hammer?

You don't really read pb for 2 days and you find two prominent posters have been banned.

who is the other one?

Mortimer. He arranged the not-PB Article 50 pub crawl and wankathon, but - whoops! - forgot to invite OGH. Mike smiled thinly. Comedy did not ensue.

GIN1138 said:

Looks like The PB Brexiteers are being taken out one by one like the opera scene in The Godfather!

Who's next?

"Leave the betting slips. Take the cannolli"

fitalass said:

SNP continue to side with EU over the UK... Just think Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket...

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/845391125963771905

I think it's probably fair to assume that Juncker's evident deep dislike of David Cameron is fully reciprocated and probably then some. Iirc, it was Dave who did his damnedest in unsuccessfully attempting to prevent the former Luxembourg PM from climbing the greasiest of poles to become President of the EU Commission.

peter_from_putney said:

SeanT said:

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/845380987366363137

"Germany lost the war, yet Brexit let's them win the Peace"

Wow. Lol. Bye bye Lord H

Surely Germany are in their dominant position within Europe by dint of its people having worked hard over the past 70 years and also as a result of its economy having been excellently managed, compared with, say, our own.

Germany also has the largest population in Europe, though the UK is catching up

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

If we have to pay higher prices for French beef, Welsh farmers can fill in the gap

You know those big things with no wool but horns/udders? Them's called "cows". C-O-W-S. That's where "beef" and "milk" comes from.

You know those little woolly things that gambol around? Them's called "sheep". S-H-E-E-P. That's where "lamb" and "mutton" comes from.

Wales doesn't have that much in the way of flat bits. Welsh cyclists have thighs like condoms filled with walnuts. Wales does however have an absolute shitload of steep rainy bits covered in grass. Cows don't like slopes, on grounds of falling down and you do not want to get in the way. But sheep like it and can stay out in the cold and rain, because they have nice woolly coats and do gambolling like, um, lambs.

This is why Wales produces a lot of great lamb, and is less well known for beef.

If our Glorious Brexit Future involves paying more money for Welsh beef, English wine and Scottish bananas, we are in more trouble than I thought.

Welsh Lamb, English beef, English wine, Scottish whisky all will be relatively cheaper for the UK consumer given the inevitable customs duties which will be placed on EU imports of food and drink, while becoming more expensive on the continent

"Relatively" cheaper is not the same as "actually" cheaper. If both sets of prices go up but one goes up more than another, that's not better, it's worse

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

If we have to pay higher prices for French beef, Welsh farmers can fill in the gap

You know those big things with no wool but horns/udders? Them's called "cows". C-O-W-S. That's where "beef" and "milk" comes from.

You know those little woolly things that gambol around? Them's called "sheep". S-H-E-E-P. That's where "lamb" and "mutton" comes from.

Wales doesn't have that much in the way of flat bits. Welsh cyclists have thighs like condoms filled with walnuts. Wales does however have an absolute shitload of steep rainy bits covered in grass. Cows don't like slopes, on grounds of falling down and you do not want to get in the way. But sheep like it and can stay out in the cold and rain, because they have nice woolly coats and do gambolling like, um, lambs.

This is why Wales produces a lot of great lamb, and is less well known for beef.

If our Glorious Brexit Future involves paying more money for Welsh beef, English wine and Scottish bananas, we are in more trouble than I thought.

Welsh Lamb, English beef, English wine, Scottish whisky all will be relatively cheaper for the UK consumer given the inevitable customs duties which will be placed on EU imports of food and drink, while becoming more expensive on the continent

"Relatively" cheaper is not the same as "actually" cheaper. If both sets of prices go up but one goes up more than another, that's not better, it's worse

Not worse for the British farmer or vineyard owner or whisky distillery if they refocus on the domestic market

Because the British farmer and vineyard owner don't eat food?

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

scotslass said:

Fitalas

Trust in Scottish Gov 65%
Trust in UK Gov 25%

and the Tory research dept is happy??

With a comfortable No lead in Scotland and a big Tory lead in the UK of course it is

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

If we have to pay higher prices for French beef, Welsh farmers can fill in the gap

You know those big things with no wool but horns/udders? Them's called "cows". C-O-W-S. That's where "beef" and "milk" comes from.

You know those little woolly things that gambol around? Them's called "sheep". S-H-E-E-P. That's where "lamb" and "mutton" comes from.

Wales doesn't have that much in the way of flat bits. Welsh cyclists have thighs like condoms filled with walnuts. Wales does however have an absolute shitload of steep rainy bits covered in grass. Cows don't like slopes, on grounds of falling down and you do not want to get in the way. But sheep like it and can stay out in the cold and rain, because they have nice woolly coats and do gambolling like, um, lambs.

This is why Wales produces a lot of great lamb, and is less well known for beef.

If our Glorious Brexit Future involves paying more money for Welsh beef, English wine and Scottish bananas, we are in more trouble than I thought.

Welsh Lamb, English beef, English wine, Scottish whisky all will be relatively cheaper for the UK consumer given the inevitable customs duties which will be placed on EU imports of food and drink, while becoming more expensive on the continent

"Relatively" cheaper is not the same as "actually" cheaper. If both sets of prices go up but one goes up more than another, that's not better, it's worse

Not worse for the British farmer or vineyard owner or whisky distillery if they refocus on the domestic market

Because the British farmer and vineyard owner don't eat food?

They produce it and of course if they improve their market share they get more profits

Which they then have to spend on more expensive food and have less choice than before because the other stuff is even more expensive.

Making stuff more expensive does not make life better. It makes it worse.

viewcode said:

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue Brexit... I don't like to lose [bites apple].

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

There is no reason UK food should become more expensive because of Brexit, it will not be affected by customs duties or currency fluctuations in terms of domestic sales so consumers will just need to buy more British produce

If you could make UK bananas cheaper than foreign bananas, we'd already be doing it. If the price of foreign bananas become prohibitively expensive then UK bananas fill the gap, but we have to divert resources from more productive things to do it (that's the definition of wealth destruction, by the way).

There's no finessing this: you make the prices of imports more expensive and trade more difficult, eventually the price of everything rises.

There was an argument in the 70's about "wealth illusion": the phenomenon that people feel richer if inflation makes their possessions worth more monetarily. Keith Joseph argued that it's a fallacy: eventually people cotton on that it's just the currency being worth less. This was accepted by Conservatives and was one of the cornerstones of Thatcher's first government. It's a lesson we have forgotten.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue Brexit... I don't like to lose [bites apple].

If memory serves, a scene that was in both the Prime and Kelvin timelines (which is why Chris Pine has an apple in the 2009 Star Trek).

It worries me that I know this.

viewcode said:

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

Not foreign stuff. Just food imported from the EU. Cheaper sources in Africa, Australia and South America exist, with whom we'll now be able to do deals without imposing the external tariff.

viewcode said:

MTimT said:

viewcode said:

Our Glorious Brexit Future
Local food will become more expensive
But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
Because you don't need to eat, right?

Not foreign stuff. Just food imported from the EU. Cheaper sources in Africa, Australia and South America exist, with whom we'll now be able to do deals without imposing the external tariff.

...unfortunately our currency is now worth a lot less. So it will cost more money to buy this cheaper stuff, even disregarding the cost of transporting it longer distances. Still it's nice to know that when Irish meat becomes more expensive, we can import just as expensive meat from much further away. Whew. I was worried for a moment.

You can buy more British meat instead as I said