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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    Our Glorious Brexit Future
    Local food will become more expensive
    But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
    Because you don't need to eat, right?

    Not foreign stuff. Just food imported from the EU. Cheaper sources in Africa, Australia and South America exist, with whom we'll now be able to do deals without imposing the external tariff.
    ...unfortunately our currency is now worth a lot less. So it will cost more money to buy this cheaper stuff, even disregarding the cost of transporting it longer distances. Still it's nice to know that when Irish meat becomes more expensive, we can import just as expensive meat from much further away. Whew. I was worried for a moment.
    You can buy more British meat instead as I said
    And we've looped back to the original point. If the UK meat in question could be made cheaper (or even the same price) as the imports we'd be already doing it.

    The scenario you outline - we can replace cheap imports with more expensive UK counterparts without goods (local or foreign) becoming more expensive - is a fallacy. It's something we spent a decade learning in the 70's and over a decade eradicating in the 80's and 90's. It seems like a learning curve we'll have to go thru again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    MTimT said:

    viewcode said:

    Our Glorious Brexit Future
    Local food will become more expensive
    But that's OK, because foreign stuff will be even more expensive.
    Because you don't need to eat, right?

    Not foreign stuff. Just food imported from the EU. Cheaper sources in Africa, Australia and South America exist, with whom we'll now be able to do deals without imposing the external tariff.
    ...unfortunately our currency is now worth a lot less. So it will cost more money to buy this cheaper stuff, even disregarding the cost of transporting it longer distances. Still it's nice to know that when Irish meat becomes more expensive, we can import just as expensive meat from much further away. Whew. I was worried for a moment.
    You can buy more British meat instead as I said
    And we've looped back to the original point. If the UK meat in question could be made cheaper (or even the same price) as the imports we'd be already doing it.

    The scenario you outline - we can replace cheap imports with more expensive UK counterparts without goods (local or foreign) becoming more expensive - is a fallacy. It's something we spent a decade learning in the 70's and over a decade eradicating in the 80's and 90's. It seems like a learning curve we'll have to go thru again.
    You are missing the point. We voted Leave to control our borders not to raise import prices but as the EU will not allow us to control our borders without leaving the single market and raising import prices that is what we will have to do and if it means missing out on some cheap EU imports and instead buying more British produce and boosting British agriculture and food and drink producers in the process that is more than manageable
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    New thread...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017
    viewcode said:

    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
    Well you lost so tough, people voted Leave to control UK borders and if that means buying more now relatively cheaper British produce to do so they will. Goodnight
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    HYUFD said:

    You are missing the point. We voted Leave to control our borders not to raise import prices but as the EU will not allow us to control our borders without leaving the single market and raising import prices that is what we will have to do and if it means missing out on some cheap EU imports and instead buying more British produce and boosting British agriculture and food and drink producers in the process that is more than manageable

    Manageable, yes. More expensive, also yes. "Manageable" is what you tell somebody with an unpleasant chronic condition...oh, I see.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    edited March 2017
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
    Well you lost so tough, people voted Leave to control UK borders and if that means buying more now relatively cheaper British produce to do so they will. Goodnight
    '...those who resort to personal abuse have already lost the argument - if they ever had one....' Margaret Thatcher, 1988 Oct 27th

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
    Well you lost so tough, people voted Leave to control UK borders and if that means buying more now relatively cheaper British produce to do so they will. Goodnight
    '...those who resort to personal abuse have already lost the argument - if they ever had one....' Margaret Thatcher, 1988 Oct 27th

    There is no argument left to be had, the argument was already had in the referendum, Leave won, end of conversation
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
    Well you lost so tough, people voted Leave to control UK borders and if that means buying more now relatively cheaper British produce to do so they will. Goodnight
    '...those who resort to personal abuse have already lost the argument - if they ever had one....' Margaret Thatcher, 1988 Oct 27th

    There is no argument left to be had, the argument was already had in the referendum, Leave won, end of conversation
    If there was no argument to be had, why did you argue?
    If you felt you had won it, why did you become abusive?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    surbiton said:

    ...most EU food produce can be replaced by British alternatives. Given the EU will not compromise on immigration control and single market membership we will have to buy more British produce and it is manageable to do so

    And, as I have been at pains to explain on this board, it'll be more expensive to do so. I'm not sure my definition of "manageable" matches yours. Plus there is a difference between "manageable" and "pleasant"

    Our Glorious Brexit Future. No foreign food for you, sonny. Have a Scottish banana. Mmmm, that brexity goodness, yum.
    Well you lost so tough, people voted Leave to control UK borders and if that means buying more now relatively cheaper British produce to do so they will. Goodnight
    '...those who resort to personal abuse have already lost the argument - if they ever had one....' Margaret Thatcher, 1988 Oct 27th

    There is no argument left to be had, the argument was already had in the referendum, Leave won, end of conversation
    If there was no argument to be had, why did you argue?
    If you felt you had won it, why did you become abusive?
    There is nothing remotely abusive about pointing out Leave won the referendum
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