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Shows that Tories can fail too. Labour won't dieDanny565 said:0 -
I dont know to be honestAnneJGP said:
That suggests you have seen it now. Why is it allowed under the rules?Big_G_NorthWales said:In 65 years following football I have never seen a relay passing a banana onto the field of play for a player to eat to boost his energy
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By definition there will never be an independent country of Northern Ireland, the Unionists by their very nature want to preserve the Union and the nationalists to unite with the Republic while even if Scotland went there is next to zero chance Leave voting Wales will and the UK will still keep the name even minus the ScotsRichard_Tyndall said:
I live in hope that at some point in the not too distant future your fictitious identification will be proven once and for all when the State of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ceases to exist and what remains are the existing Countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.Omnium said:
I'm sorry but I stand by my statement, and will always stand by it.Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't, Britain is no more a country than North America is, it's the name of a piece of land. And Great is a purely geographical qualifier to distinguish it from the other Britain, aka Brittany.Omnium said:
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.Cyan said:
What's your reason is.Richard_Tyndall said:
Britain is not and never has been a country.Cyan said:
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.OllyT said:
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
'Great Britain' is my country whether you like it or not, and I suspect that's true for others.
I've already said that there may be some grounds to dismiss this label, and you have quite fairly done so. However you'd be in a very unwise place indeed though if you dismissed my and others identification with a country (fictitious or otherwise) called Great Britain.0 -
Are Fielding and Toksvig an appetite suppressing trio or duo ? Nauseating in any case.FrancisUrquhart said:We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.0 -
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.FrancisUrquhart said:We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Did I miss The Stig or was he not there?0 -
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yes. It is a fantasy, There is no such country as Great Britain. There is not even a State called Great Britain either legally or constitutionally.Omnium said:
Ok, well if it didn't exist before it does now.Richard_Tyndall said:
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.Omnium said:
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.Cyan said:
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.Richard_Tyndall said:
Britain is not and never has been a country.Cyan said:
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.OllyT said:
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
So. Is there such a thing? Well yes there must be because if it didn't exist already then it does now, and there can be no quibbles about the right to define such things as nobody knows who defined any of these such things in the first place.
So. I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'. Any objections?0 -
Technically, Richard is right. Great Britain is an island - an element of physical geography - not a country. The UK is the state.Richard_Tyndall said:
I live in hope that at some point in the not too distant future your fictitious identification will be proven once and for all when the State of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ceases to exist and what remains are the existing Countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.Omnium said:
I'm sorry but I stand by my statement, and will always stand by it.Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't, Britain is no more a country than North America is, it's the name of a piece of land. And Great is a purely geographical qualifier to distinguish it from the other Britain, aka Brittany.Omnium said:
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.Cyan said:
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.Richard_Tyndall said:
Britain is not and never has been a country.Cyan said:
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.OllyT said:
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
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So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.0 -
Ah, of course, so when everyone leaves but England we can still call ourselves the United Kingdom.justin124 said:
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
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Fillon off the peg.
https://twitter.com/FRANCE24/status/842491583215816704
Toutes les dames aiment un homme en costume. Fais-tu Monsieur.0 -
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?Richard_Tyndall said:
Yes. It is a fantasy, There is no such country as Great Britain. There is not even a State called Great Britain either legally or constitutionally.Omnium said:
Ok, well if it didn't exist before it does now.Richard_Tyndall said:
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.Omnium said:
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.Cyan said:
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.Richard_Tyndall said:
Britain is not and never has been a country.Cyan said:
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.OllyT said:
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.Morris_Dancer said:
So. Is there such a thing? Well yes there must be because if it didn't exist already then it does now, and there can be no quibbles about the right to define such things as nobody knows who defined any of these such things in the first place.
So. I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'. Any objections?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.0 -
It's referendums all the way down....Ishmael_Z said:So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.0 -
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.justin124 said:
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.0 -
Maybe the rebirth of England is not such a bad thing. Hopefully then we won't be blamed for everything.0
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Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?0 -
Technically English and Welsh law (beyond legislation passed by the Welsh Assembly) and in reality England has been basically a geographical entity since 1707, there is no English Parliament, it shares its Parliament and monarch with the rest of the UKRichard_Tyndall said:
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.justin124 said:
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.0 -
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
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There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Make Mercia Great Again.
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Crickey you are a glutton for punishment...watching Top Gear and the Extra Show !!!Tim_B said:
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.FrancisUrquhart said:We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Did I miss The Stig or was he not there?0 -
The English Cow jumped over the Scottish Moon while the Welsh fiddled while Rome burned0
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Time for an investigation into whether Theresa May paid full price for her Amanda Wakeley wardrobe?dr_spyn said:Fillon off the peg.
Toutes les dames aiment un homme en costume. Fais-tu Monsieur.0 -
Things Can Only Get Better - 80s stylee!GIN1138 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OO9LloDSJo0 -
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
I can and do claim such a thing.0 -
As I understand it technically it is called English Law although it applies in Wales as well.HYUFD said:
Technically English and Welsh law (beyond legislation passed by the Welsh Assembly) and in reality England has been basically a geographical entity since 1707, there is no English Parliament, it shares its Parliament and monarch with the rest of the UKRichard_Tyndall said:
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.justin124 said:
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.0 -
Some people tried North Britain for a while. It didn't catch on up here ... Gladstone kicked off executive devolution with the formation of the Scottish Office in 1885, but with no Scottish accountability.Ishmael_Z said:So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.0 -
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.dr_spyn said:
Make Mercia Great Again.
It wasn't a merger.0 -
BBC America runs them back to back. My dvr lets me watch in manageable chunks and "Top Gear" on my dvr includes extra gear. The show appears to be sinking slowly - but at least they have the original track back!. No Stig though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey you are a glutton for punishment...watching Top Gear and the Extra Show !!!Tim_B said:
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.FrancisUrquhart said:We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
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You can claim to be Martian for all I care. It doesn't make it any more true.Omnium said:
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
I can and do claim such a thing.0 -
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
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I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anythingSunil_Prasannan said:
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
I guess we'll leave the conversation there Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
You can claim to be Martian for all I care. It doesn't make it any more true.Omnium said:
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
I can and do claim such a thing.0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.Omnium said:
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.Cyan said:
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.Richard_Tyndall said:
Britain is not and never has been a country.Cyan said:
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
What a lot of confusion we've got here.Alistair said:When was the country of Britain founded?
Hint: Not at he same time as the United Kingdom.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.0 -
In less enlightened times, they would have picked up one of the bananas thrown onto the pitch....Big_G_NorthWales said:In 65 years following football I have never seen a relay passing a banana onto the field of play for a player to eat to boost his energy
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LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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British Airways?Tim_B said:
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anythingSunil_Prasannan said:
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
Yes, but it was a mandate from thick racists so doesn't count.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?0 -
I have never thought of the component parts of Great Britain as being countries any more than the component parts of Germany - Bavaria - Saxony - Rhineland etc - or of Italy - Umbria -Tuscany etc. England , Wales & Scotland have been together for a great deal longer.0
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Only thick English racists.John_M said:
Yes, but it was a mandate from thick racists so doesn't count.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?0 -
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.Sunil_Prasannan said:
British Airways?Tim_B said:
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anythingSunil_Prasannan said:
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
TimB
Your post raises an important point.
There are English Americans. There are Scottish Americans. There are Welsh Americans.
There are not, as far as I have heard, British Americans.0 -
And Welsh too, remember?TwistedFireStopper said:
Only thick English racists.John_M said:
Yes, but it was a mandate from thick racists so doesn't count.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
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Not American Airlines?Tim_B said:
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.Sunil_Prasannan said:
British Airways?Tim_B said:
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anythingSunil_Prasannan said:
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
No, only English votes counted.Sunil_Prasannan said:
And Welsh too, remember?TwistedFireStopper said:
Only thick English racists.John_M said:
Yes, but it was a mandate from thick racists so doesn't count.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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We don't need no stinkin' Prime Minister of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, we need a King or Queen of the Britons.
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The May Scottish elections will be very interesting and provide a good guide on the way the wind is blowingMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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Yeah, but the EU leads to straight bananas and stuff.nielh said:If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
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ICM was the only pollster in 1997 to underestimate the Labour lead with its final poll putting Labour 10% ahead. A week earlier it came up with an outlier showing Labour's lead falling to 5%!MikeSmithson said:0 -
If I lived in Dallas I might use AA, but living at Delta's home base it makes sense to use them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not American Airlines?Tim_B said:
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.Sunil_Prasannan said:
British Airways?Tim_B said:
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anythingSunil_Prasannan said:
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.Omnium said:Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.0 -
Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership
2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all
3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership
4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.0 -
Or Cobyn's tracksuits, did he buy them at Sports Direct?williamglenn said:
Time for an investigation into whether Theresa May paid full price for her Amanda Wakeley wardrobe?dr_spyn said:Fillon off the peg.
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It still confuses me the way that some third or forth generation Americans will say things like, "I'm Greek," without any qualification.Bojabob said:TimB
Your post raises an important point.
There are English Americans. There are Scottish Americans. There are Welsh Americans.
There are not, as far as I have heard, British Americans.
It possibly explains why the stories of migration into Europe had such strong propagandistic value in the US.0 -
Long live the European dictatorship you mean. No thanks.nielh said:If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.0 -
British Americans call themselves American. It's only more recent arrivals who tend to hyphenate their identity.Bojabob said:TimB
Your post raises an important point.
There are English Americans. There are Scottish Americans. There are Welsh Americans.
There are not, as far as I have heard, British Americans.0 -
So as I am an atheist and republican I guess that rules me out of the patriotism stakes!Charles said:
Traditionally the monarchy comes fairly far down the order of loyaltyOllyT said:
Out of interest do you consider it possible to be a republican and a patriot in this country.Mortimer said:
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.TwistedFireStopper said:
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.HYUFD said:
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determinationMortimer said:In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
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She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.MikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
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All good Monarchists should be Brexiteers!TheScreamingEagles said:We don't need no stinkin' Prime Minister of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, we need a King or Queen of the Britons.
"Why?" I hear you cry.
Well, the Queen can only be sovereign if her Kingdom is independent of Brussels.0 -
5) No Scottish independence but with endless reruns of BBC Scotland Andy Stewart Hogmanay specials to reinforce cultural stereotypesTheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership
2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all
3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership
4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.0 -
Still suffering a bit of Geert butt hurt?Dixie said:
A muslim country in 10 yearsFrancisUrquhart said:
The best interview of that series was with the Afghan Swedish cop. The elected officials on the other hand just would argue black was white. The reports of the media were very disturbing , not only misreporting him but things like his claims of re-pixelating a criminal from black to white as not to appear racist.SeanT said:
I hadn't realised how far this self-loathing syphilis had spread across Europe until recent scandals involving migrants came to light.Mortimer said:
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.TwistedFireStopper said:
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.HYUFD said:
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determinationMortimer said:In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
Liberal Tim Pool's videocasts from Sweden were just astonishing. The Swedish press simply lied about what he found, deliberately mistranslated him, tried to persuade him that what he saw with his own eyes wasn't true, and that even if it was true, he shouldn't report it.
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UK referendum on AV, 2011:TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership
2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all
3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership
4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.
No 2 AV 68%
Yes 2 AV 32%
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SeanT said:
Because lefties are vile cuckolded epsilon castrati morons. There. Next question.OllyT said:
It might be worth pondering why lefties in the UK, USA and Israel hold that view compared to there countries. Might be a bit of challenge for some.HYUFD said:
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determinationMortimer said:In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
Unsurprisingly I have an alternative theory!0 -
I used to think that ("There is no such thing as 'British Law'") as well, but I'm not sure now. The Crown (Government, whatever) signs a treaty, the Parliament ratifies it, that treaty becomes law and has domestic implications. Unless specified otherwise, it applies across the whole of the UK.What words would you use for such a law except "British law"? Or are you contending that there is not one law spanning three jurisdictions, but three identical laws across three jurisdictions?Richard_Tyndall said:England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
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or maybe the arrogance of their right wingers!HYUFD said:
Indeed but it is the general economic success of those nations which allows them to be able to afford to wallow in self indulgent loathing of themOllyT said:
It might be worth pondering why lefties in the UK, USA and Israel hold that view compared to there countries. Might be a bit of challenge for some.HYUFD said:
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determinationMortimer said:In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
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Perhaps an expert on the devolved politics of Scotland like yourself could give a step by step guide on how she'd go about that.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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"It's the Cheryl Ladd collection and I got it at JC Penney's. On sale!"williamglenn said:
Time for an investigation into whether Theresa May paid full price for her Amanda Wakeley wardrobe?dr_spyn said:Fillon off the peg.
Toutes les dames aiment un homme en costume. Fais-tu Monsieur.
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A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.Cyan said:
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.MikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
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Don't forget the Welsh ones.TwistedFireStopper said:
Only thick English racists.John_M said:
Yes, but it was a mandate from thick racists so doesn't count.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE got a mandate on June 23rdMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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Yes, hyphenated Americans tend to denote other than Anglo, which is the default.MonikerDiCanio said:
British Americans call themselves American. It's only more recent arrivals who tend to hyphenate their identity.Bojabob said:TimB
Your post raises an important point.
There are English Americans. There are Scottish Americans. There are Welsh Americans.
There are not, as far as I have heard, British Americans.0 -
Somebody is doing well out of all that overtime.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/842347042630443009
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This May's elections might be the biggest SNP landslide yet (in terms of share of the vote), IMO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The May Scottish elections will be very interesting and provide a good guide on the way the wind is blowingMikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Apart from anything else, they should squeeze the Green vote right down.0 -
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.Cyan said:What a lot of confusion we've got here.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.0 -
LEAVE secured 51.9% of the vote on June 23rd...MikeSmithson said:
A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.Cyan said:
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.MikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.0 -
How much over and above normal secret service costs is that? I'm guessing a bit, but that would be the correct number to quite.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/842347042630443009
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Well, she could engineer an election in the same way the Tories at Westminster theoretically could, couldn't she? By the SNP passing a vote of no confidence in themselves.Theuniondivvie said:
Perhaps an expert on the devolved politics of Scotland like yourself could give a step by step guide on how she'd go about that.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
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Not necessarily - the North Koreans are pretty patrioticOllyT said:
So as I am an atheist and republican I guess that rules me out of the patriotism stakes!Charles said:
Traditionally the monarchy comes fairly far down the order of loyaltyOllyT said:
Out of interest do you consider it possible to be a republican and a patriot in this country.Mortimer said:
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.TwistedFireStopper said:
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.HYUFD said:
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determinationMortimer said:In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
Family, God, Queen and Country
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Yeah, but some majorities are more equal than others.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE secured 51.9% of the vote on June 23rd...MikeSmithson said:
A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.Cyan said:
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.MikeSmithson said:
Why? She's got a mandate.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.0 -
UN has 193 members, one of them being the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.Cyan said:What a lot of confusion we've got here.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.0 -
War crimes witch-hunt lawyer goes bankrupt as ministers bid to claw back £4million... but not before signing his house over to his daughters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321976/Witch-hunt-lawyer-Phil-Shiner-goes-bankrupt.html
The is a word for this guy, but this is a family friendly website...0 -
And the unionists then form a government.Danny565 said:
Well, she could engineer an election in the same way the Tories at Westminster theoretically could, couldn't she? By the SNP passing a vote of no confidence in themselves.Theuniondivvie said:
Perhaps an expert on the devolved politics of Scotland like yourself could give a step by step guide on how she'd go about that.TGOHF said:Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?0 -
I wondered what old Nick was up to these days...
Photograph of ex-Deputy PM Clegg is bizarrely used to illustrate building work at Las Vegas airport
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321880/Photograph-Nick-Clegg-used-Las-Vegas-poster.html0 -
This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
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If the transfer of his home is deemed to be an attempt to avoid losing it to creditors, he may have to forfeit it to pay off his debts.FrancisUrquhart said:War crimes witch-hunt lawyer goes bankrupt as ministers bid to claw back £4million... but not before signing his house over to his daughters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321976/Witch-hunt-lawyer-Phil-Shiner-goes-bankrupt.html
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I was talking about the UN definition of a country not a state. They are two different things. England is defined as a country but not a state. The UK is a state but not a country.Sunil_Prasannan said:
UN has 193 members, one of them being the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.Cyan said:What a lot of confusion we've got here.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.0 -
He better get himself a good lawyer then.CarlottaVance said:
If the transfer of his home is deemed to be an attempt to avoid losing it to creditors, he may have to forfeit it to pay off his debts.FrancisUrquhart said:War crimes witch-hunt lawyer goes bankrupt as ministers bid to claw back £4million... but not before signing his house over to his daughters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321976/Witch-hunt-lawyer-Phil-Shiner-goes-bankrupt.html
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Och well, it might get some of the OO, SDL, EDL, NF, BNP, UKIP, Britain First and Tory Unionists on side.TheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
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If you define it a "European", isn't that exclusionary ?nielh said:If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
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Watching 'Allo 'Allo on "Yesterday Channel" right nowTheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
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If we do get Indyref2 I hope it does produce as many amusing things as the Waffen Yes Yes, The Yestapo, and Angry Salmond.Theuniondivvie said:
Och well, it might get some of the OO, SDL, EDL, NF, BNP, UKIP, Britain First and Tory Unionists on side.TheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
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You are looking at states there, not countries. The confusion arises because most countries are also states. Exceptions include the UK and the Kingdom of the Netherlands, which are states that comprise constituent countries.Sunil_Prasannan said:
UN has 193 members, one of them being the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.Cyan said:What a lot of confusion we've got here.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.0 -
I bet Red Ken might get a tad excitable over such a picture.TheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
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Ein reich, ein volk, zwei referenden?TheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/842503873742954496
Oh look, my coat!
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Strange you don't add your own party to that list. Donaldson, Gibb , Young .........Theuniondivvie said:
Och well, it might get some of the OO, SDL, EDL, NF, BNP, UKIP, Britain First and Tory Unionists on side.TheScreamingEagles said:This tweet contains the picture all future PB threads on Indyref2 will use
https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/842503873742954496
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/711752/snp-links-adolf-hitler-fascism-revealed-political-anthology-james-mitchell-gerry-hassan0 -
Is nowhere safe for Corbyn's Labour Party, other than Islington?CarlottaVance said:0 -
SHUT UP! Enough already, Nicola! Who cares about Teresa May anyway? The woman has only one look, for Christ's sake! Brexit? NIC? Grammar schools? They're the same policy! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I invented the piano key necktie, I invented it! What have you done, Nicola? You've done nothing! NOTHIIIING!Sunil_Prasannan said:"It's the Cheryl Ladd collection and I got it at JC Penney's. On sale!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9O6q0pDAU
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