Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
Britain is not and never has been a country.
What's your reason is.
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.
No you aren't, Britain is no more a country than North America is, it's the name of a piece of land. And Great is a purely geographical qualifier to distinguish it from the other Britain, aka Brittany.
I'm sorry but I stand by my statement, and will always stand by it.
'Great Britain' is my country whether you like it or not, and I suspect that's true for others.
I've already said that there may be some grounds to dismiss this label, and you have quite fairly done so. However you'd be in a very unwise place indeed though if you dismissed my and others identification with a country (fictitious or otherwise) called Great Britain.
I live in hope that at some point in the not too distant future your fictitious identification will be proven once and for all when the State of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ceases to exist and what remains are the existing Countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
By definition there will never be an independent country of Northern Ireland, the Unionists by their very nature want to preserve the Union and the nationalists to unite with the Republic while even if Scotland went there is next to zero chance Leave voting Wales will and the UK will still keep the name even minus the Scots
We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Are Fielding and Toksvig an appetite suppressing trio or duo ? Nauseating in any case.
We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.
Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
Britain is not and never has been a country.
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.
Ok, well if it didn't exist before it does now.
So. Is there such a thing? Well yes there must be because if it didn't exist already then it does now, and there can be no quibbles about the right to define such things as nobody knows who defined any of these such things in the first place.
So. I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'. Any objections?
Yes. It is a fantasy, There is no such country as Great Britain. There is not even a State called Great Britain either legally or constitutionally.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Mr. Bojabob, so, because your side lost a vote you no longer love a country that previously you did?
That's rather sad. Sadder still that you feel as much (or more) loyalty to foreigners than your own people.
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, and I wish those who keep raising stupid little regional assemblies in England would learn that lesson and not make an even worse error of judgement.
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
Britain is not and never has been a country.
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.
No you aren't, Britain is no more a country than North America is, it's the name of a piece of land. And Great is a purely geographical qualifier to distinguish it from the other Britain, aka Brittany.
I'm sorry but I stand by my statement, and will always stand by it. snip
I live in hope that at some point in the not too distant future your fictitious identification will be proven once and for all when the State of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ceases to exist and what remains are the existing Countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Technically, Richard is right. Great Britain is an island - an element of physical geography - not a country. The UK is the state.
So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Ah, of course, so when everyone leaves but England we can still call ourselves the United Kingdom.
Although a centrist in political terms I'm an atheist and oppose the idea of an hereditary head of state.a patriot I would have to subscribe to "God Save the Queen" so in all honesty I can't consider myself a patriot either - the concept has pretty much been appropriated by English right -wingers in the UK.
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
Britain is not and never has been a country.
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.
Ok, well if it didn't exist before it does now.
So. Is there such a thing? Well yes there must be because if it didn't exist already then it does now, and there can be no quibbles about the right to define such things as nobody knows who defined any of these such things in the first place.
So. I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'. Any objections?
Yes. It is a fantasy, There is no such country as Great Britain. There is not even a State called Great Britain either legally or constitutionally.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
Technically English and Welsh law (beyond legislation passed by the Welsh Assembly) and in reality England has been basically a geographical entity since 1707, there is no English Parliament, it shares its Parliament and monarch with the rest of the UK
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.
Did I miss The Stig or was he not there?
Crickey you are a glutton for punishment...watching Top Gear and the Extra Show !!!
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Officially England is a country. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a state. Great Britain is an area of physical geography as are the British Isles.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
Technically English and Welsh law (beyond legislation passed by the Welsh Assembly) and in reality England has been basically a geographical entity since 1707, there is no English Parliament, it shares its Parliament and monarch with the rest of the UK
As I understand it technically it is called English Law although it applies in Wales as well.
So merge England and Scotland. The name of the new country should honour both constituents equally, taking one syllable from England, Eng-, and one syllable from Scotland, -land, giving us the new name "England", and there is no entity left capable of wanting a referendum or claiming devolved powers or independence. Something like this should have been done in 1707.
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.
Some people tried North Britain for a while. It didn't catch on up here ... Gladstone kicked off executive devolution with the formation of the Scottish Office in 1885, but with no Scottish accountability.
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
We like on here to discuss about how top gear has gone down the tubes ....It appears ch4 wants to outdo that with GBBO...
After months of speculation, Noel Fielding and Sandi Toksvig were confirmed as the new hosts of The Great British Bake Off on Thursday. The trio will join expert new judge Prue Leith, as well as show stalwart Paul Hollywood, when the series returns to screens later this year on Channel 4.
They should have just gone the whole hog and got wussely brand.
Speaking of Top Gear- we had the first of the new series on Sunday evening. It took me 3 days to wade through it and Extra Gear. Matt is Matt, and would fit in with most folks. Harris is just too straight and earnest and Reid is just a cuddly irritating teeneager.
Did I miss The Stig or was he not there?
Crickey you are a glutton for punishment...watching Top Gear and the Extra Show !!!
BBC America runs them back to back. My dvr lets me watch in manageable chunks and "Top Gear" on my dvr includes extra gear. The show appears to be sinking slowly - but at least they have the original track back!. No Stig though.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.
I can and do claim such a thing.
You can claim to be Martian for all I care. It doesn't make it any more true.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anything
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
Yes - if you ask me those are my answers. I have explicitly said that you're right as to the non-existence of such a thing as a legal entity, but I have also made clear that I don't give a fig for the legality. I am, and my family has always (for say the last 50 years) thought of itself as British.
I can and do claim such a thing.
You can claim to be Martian for all I care. It doesn't make it any more true.
I guess we'll leave the conversation there Richard.
Monarchism is a right-wing thing. Personally I avoid calling Britain the "UK". The UK is a political regime. Britain is a country. Calling Britain "the UK" is like calling France "the fifth Republic". I am English and British but I am not a "UK-er", other than that's the monarchist crap that's written on my passport.
Britain is not and never has been a country.
What's your reason for taking that view? Do you think countries can't contain and be constituted by other countries? So the USSR and Czechoslovakia weren't countries? Your view would imply that there isn't any such thing as British nationalism, British patriotism, British national identity - but there is.
Richard is completely right I think. However I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'.
Again there is no such thing. Great Britain is an area of physical geography not a country. It is as accurate as claiming ones country is Fingal's Cave or the Trent Valley.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anything
I have never thought of the component parts of Great Britain as being countries any more than the component parts of Germany - Bavaria - Saxony - Rhineland etc - or of Italy - Umbria -Tuscany etc. England , Wales & Scotland have been together for a great deal longer.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anything
British Airways?
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.
If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anything
British Airways?
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.
If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
Yeah, but the EU leads to straight bananas and stuff.
Six weeks later Labour won the election by a margin of 13%!
That was the election when ICM came into its own
ICM was the only pollster in 1997 to underestimate the Labour lead with its final poll putting Labour 10% ahead. A week earlier it came up with an outlier showing Labour's lead falling to 5%!
Come along. Are you actually saying that I am a fantasist because I identify myself as 'British'?
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
Actually you suggested exactly that in the comment to which I replied.
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
We use "British" as a shorthand for "United Kingdomish", the same way "American" is shorthand for "United Statesish".
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
I tend to regard myself as English rather than British, and my wife regards herself as a Scot. Saying you're "British" doesn't really convey anything
British Airways?
They convey airline passengers, but that wasn't my point. I don't use them - my 250k miles are on Delta.
Not American Airlines?
If I lived in Dallas I might use AA, but living at Delta's home base it makes sense to use them.
Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership 2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all 3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership 4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.
If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
Long live the European dictatorship you mean. No thanks.
In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determination
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.
Out of interest do you consider it possible to be a republican and a patriot in this country.
Traditionally the monarchy comes fairly far down the order of loyalty
Family, God, Queen and Country
So as I am an atheist and republican I guess that rules me out of the patriotism stakes!
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Why? She's got a mandate.
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership 2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all 3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership 4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.
5) No Scottish independence but with endless reruns of BBC Scotland Andy Stewart Hogmanay specials to reinforce cultural stereotypes
In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determination
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.
I hadn't realised how far this self-loathing syphilis had spread across Europe until recent scandals involving migrants came to light.
Liberal Tim Pool's videocasts from Sweden were just astonishing. The Swedish press simply lied about what he found, deliberately mistranslated him, tried to persuade him that what he saw with his own eyes wasn't true, and that even if it was true, he shouldn't report it.
The best interview of that series was with the Afghan Swedish cop. The elected officials on the other hand just would argue black was white. The reports of the media were very disturbing , not only misreporting him but things like his claims of re-pixelating a criminal from black to white as not to appear racist.
Anyone else think the next Indyref should be conducted under AV?
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership 2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all 3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership 4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.
In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determination
It might be worth pondering why lefties in the UK, USA and Israel hold that view compared to there countries. Might be a bit of challenge for some.
Because lefties are vile cuckolded epsilon castrati morons. There. Next question.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
I used to think that ("There is no such thing as 'British Law'") as well, but I'm not sure now. The Crown (Government, whatever) signs a treaty, the Parliament ratifies it, that treaty becomes law and has domestic implications. Unless specified otherwise, it applies across the whole of the UK.What words would you use for such a law except "British law"? Or are you contending that there is not one law spanning three jurisdictions, but three identical laws across three jurisdictions?
In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determination
It might be worth pondering why lefties in the UK, USA and Israel hold that view compared to there countries. Might be a bit of challenge for some.
Indeed but it is the general economic success of those nations which allows them to be able to afford to wallow in self indulgent loathing of them
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Why? She's got a mandate.
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Why? She's got a mandate.
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Perhaps an expert on the devolved politics of Scotland like yourself could give a step by step guide on how she'd go about that.
Well, she could engineer an election in the same way the Tories at Westminster theoretically could, couldn't she? By the SNP passing a vote of no confidence in themselves.
In case anyone is still wondering why the left is unpopular in England, a peek at the last thread will confirm that many on the left don't seem that fond of England...
In the global league table of leftie hatred of nations the UK (or more particularly England) takes a bronze and comes a strong third behind gold medallist the USA and Israel with silver. That of course explains their hatred of Trump and Brexit UK and their love of Scottish nationalism and Palestinian self determination
Nah, I ain't buying that. It's only a certain type of leftie that thinks like that. The Labour voters I know are all as patriotic as I am, no matter what culture they come from.
I'd agree with that. Lefty activists often seem far less patriotic than the average Labour voter.
Out of interest do you consider it possible to be a republican and a patriot in this country.
Traditionally the monarchy comes fairly far down the order of loyalty
Family, God, Queen and Country
So as I am an atheist and republican I guess that rules me out of the patriotism stakes!
Not necessarily - the North Koreans are pretty patriotic
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Why? She's got a mandate.
She hasn't. There isn't a majority of MSPs who were elected having stood on a platform of calling another Scottish indyref if Britain voted Leave. There wasn't a majority of the popular vote in favour of that either.
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
A minority government which secured 46.5% of the vote. Compare that with CON GE2015 36.9%.
LEAVE secured 51.9% of the vote on June 23rd...
Yeah, but some majorities are more equal than others.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.
Sturgeon should get her government to resign and call a Holyrood election for May - stand on a platform of another referendum.
Unless she's feart ?
Perhaps an expert on the devolved politics of Scotland like yourself could give a step by step guide on how she'd go about that.
Well, she could engineer an election in the same way the Tories at Westminster theoretically could, couldn't she? By the SNP passing a vote of no confidence in themselves.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.
UN has 193 members, one of them being the UK.
I was talking about the UN definition of a country not a state. They are two different things. England is defined as a country but not a state. The UK is a state but not a country.
If you stop to really think about it, there is no such thing as 'Britain' just as there is no such thing as 'England' or 'Scotland'. All these concepts and identities are transitory and have evolved over history and continue to evolve.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
If you define it a "European", isn't that exclusionary ?
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Because these things are legally defined. If you want the UN definition then it is an area that is subject to the independent exercise of legal jurisdiction. As I said before England and Scotland have separate legal systems. Britain does not. No one denies the United Kingdom is a state but it is not a country.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.
UN has 193 members, one of them being the UK.
You are looking at states there, not countries. The confusion arises because most countries are also states. Exceptions include the UK and the Kingdom of the Netherlands, which are states that comprise constituent countries.
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SHUT UP! Enough already, Nicola! Who cares about Teresa May anyway? The woman has only one look, for Christ's sake! Brexit? NIC? Grammar schools? They're the same policy! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I invented the piano key necktie, I invented it! What have you done, Nicola? You've done nothing! NOTHIIIING!
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Did I miss The Stig or was he not there?
I like the suggestion in a letter reprinted in The Week that Scots are fairly evenly split about whether they want another referendum or not, and the obvious way to settle the question is to hold a referendum on whether there should be a referendum.
https://twitter.com/FRANCE24/status/842491583215816704
Toutes les dames aiment un homme en costume. Fais-tu Monsieur.
Nobody has ever suggested that there was a state, country, or anything else called 'Great Britain'. I'd suggest to you though that that name has been the banner under which many people have lived their lives, and under which many have fought.
If you wish to disregard and diminish such practice then it is of course up to you. I personally think that would be a poor place to be.
England has its own separate system of law as do Scotland and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as 'British Law'.
Unless she's feart ?
Your exact statement was "I'm British and my country is called 'Great Britain'"
There are certainly no states called - England - Wales - or Scotland. England , in particular, seems a rather contrived country , being a merger of former separate Kingdoms such as Anglia- Northumbria- Wessex - Mercia - Cornwall etc.
Make Mercia Great Again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OO9LloDSJo
I can and do claim such a thing.
Make Mercia Great Again.
It wasn't a merger.
eg. British Airways, and American Airlines.
Richard: you haven't explained why you think Britain isn't a country. And I'd also be interested to hear what you think it is.
Those who think Britain is a union and not a country presumably think the same about the entity known as England and Wales, in which case they'd be right, but what about other unions such as the USA? So a union can contain unions but a country can't contain countries? But an entity can be a union or federation and a country at the same time. No apologies for the absence of a thin boundary line around these notions.
I hope I'm not going to hear from anyone that Britain can't be a country because it was a Roman province.
Omnium: it's fine that you are British and you consider your country to be Great Britain, but what is the country people are thinking of who also view themselves as British and who are from Northern Ireland? It's not Great Britain.
Alistair: a country needn't have an unambiguous date of foundation. When was Germany founded? When was the precise moment before which we should not call Russia a country? It's political regimes, not countries, that have dates of foundation.
When did New Zealand become an independent country? There is no exact date.
Several of you are falling into the continuum fallacy.
Your post raises an important point.
There are English Americans. There are Scottish Americans. There are Welsh Americans.
There are not, as far as I have heard, British Americans.
In the end though all national identies are bullshit. Long live the European post national superstate. Nationalism just leads to wars, conflict, poverty and protectionism, as we are probably now going to learn to our cost.
Here's the options
1) Remain part of the UK and no EU membership
2) Remain part of the UK and with EEA membership for all
3) Scottish Independence with full EU membership
4) Scottish Independence without EU membership
I'm sure there's more options to be added, but I'm knackered.
It possibly explains why the stories of migration into Europe had such strong propagandistic value in the US.
It is taking the piss to the extreme for a minority government to insist that it's "undemocratic" for Scotland not to swallow the plurality party's rejected manifesto promise.
You want a mandate, Sturgeon? Try and get one.
"Why?" I hear you cry.
Well, the Queen can only be sovereign if her Kingdom is independent of Brussels.
No 2 AV 68%
Yes 2 AV 32%
Unsurprisingly I have an alternative theory!
Apart from anything else, they should squeeze the Green vote right down.
And on that basis New Zealand stopped being a Dominion and became a separate country in 1947.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321976/Witch-hunt-lawyer-Phil-Shiner-goes-bankrupt.html
The is a word for this guy, but this is a family friendly website...
Photograph of ex-Deputy PM Clegg is bizarrely used to illustrate building work at Las Vegas airport
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321880/Photograph-Nick-Clegg-used-Las-Vegas-poster.html
https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/842503873742954496
Oh look, my coat!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/711752/snp-links-adolf-hitler-fascism-revealed-political-anthology-james-mitchell-gerry-hassan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9O6q0pDAU