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Yes, on tonight's polls looks like you were rightnunu said:
May as Elizabeth1st was my idea fiest! Glad to see it has caught on.HYUFD said:
That takes the May as Elizabeth 1st and Sturgeon as Mary Queen of Scots to the extremeTheuniondivvie said:Oh, the banter.
https://twitter.com/J_amesp/status/841757814892707840
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Perhaps when they were talking about turning us into Singapore they meant a one-party state.CornishBlue said:Well, we will easily get a three-digit majority if Scotland leaves and boundary changes go through... let's see 600 minus 53 Scottish seats minus a load Sein Fein won't take up... about 540 seats in total... only need 270 for a majority!
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Kwase K very good on newsnight.0
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Yes. :PTheuniondivvie said:
Bring them all on! We'll fight them in Brussels, Edinburgh... wherever!
This advert summed up our response to Cameron's renegotiation a year ago. We're now (March 2017) about four-fifths the way through...
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From a thread on the Scottish Greens as SNP lapdogs
@aidanskinner: @dhothersall leave the greens alone they're learning about primacy of political opportunism. it's an important moment for them.
@mcnalu: @aidanskinner @dhothersall yes, let them have their 2010 lib dem moment.
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Gah. Still this balls happens. Journos and politicians (SNP Kirsty Blackman) mixing up single market membership and access...0
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#EveryDaySexismHYUFD said:Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls' Council with only men in attendance
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/0 -
Hence the need to avoid complacency.brokenwheel said:
The majority of people polled believed the UK would vote Remain.Scott_P said:0 -
Scotsman has Yes on 46%, so a tiny bit better for Sturgeon though also shows rising Euroscepticism in Scotland
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I've never understood what the virtue of these sorts of polls are supposed to be. Except perhaps that they're useful if you want a story to reinforce the existing narrativeScott_P said:0 -
I wouldn't normally put any store on my personal anecdotes but something interesting at my social group this evening. There was real anger with Nicola Sturgeon amongst the normally apolitical members of that group for reopening the independence referendum. Even SNP supporters reckoned she was only doing this as a tactical manoeuvre. Ms Sturgeon may have miscalled this one.0
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Perhaps Aid & Duncy can warn the Greens about having a 2015, '16 and indeed '17 SLab moment.Scott_P said:From a thread on the Scottish Greens as SNP lapdogs
@aidanskinner: @dhothersall leave the greens alone they're learning about primacy of political opportunism. it's an important moment for them.
@mcnalu: @aidanskinner @dhothersall yes, let them have their 2010 lib dem moment.
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The local elections will be fascinatingFF43 said:I wouldn't normally put any store on my personal anecdotes but something interesting at my social group this evening. There was real anger with Nicola Sturgeon amongst the normally apolitical members of that group for reopening the independence referendum. Even SNP supporters reckoned she was only doing this as a tactical manoeuvre. Ms Sturgeon may have miscalled this one.
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What pollster did that Scotsman poll??0
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https://twitter.com/mattsingh_/status/841784910188818432Danny565 said:What pollster did that Scotsman poll??
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Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.0 -
The tag-line flatters him - he's a reasonably well-known, respected middle-ranking CDU politician who has held a variety of solid posts. Influential? Nah.williamglenn said:
Well he's chairman of the foreign affairs select committee and a member of Angela Merkel's party so more influential than most.SimonStClare said:
"One of the most influential voices in Europe Elmar Brok MEP"williamglenn said:ttps://twitter.com/grayinglasgow/status/841712781288177666
Since when has an MEP been influencial? - What do the European Commissioners say?0 -
Ha! No problem. I like her. But fair play to you for your honesty sir.Mortimer said:0 -
I am curious if you ever had a really flattering tagline attached to a story which you contributed to while in parliament - I feel like everyone has been reported as a 'senior backbencher' if they've been there more than a single term.NickPalmer said:
The tag-line flatters him - he's a reasonably well-known, respected middle-ranking CDU politician who has held a variety of solid posts. Influential? Nah.williamglenn said:
Well he's chairman of the foreign affairs select committee and a member of Angela Merkel's party so more influential than most.SimonStClare said:
"One of the most influential voices in Europe Elmar Brok MEP"williamglenn said:ttps://twitter.com/grayinglasgow/status/841712781288177666
Since when has an MEP been influencial? - What do the European Commissioners say?0 -
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...0 -
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.Bojabob said:Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
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The left liberal intelligentsia was not that opposed to Scottish independence in 2014 either, the likes of George Monbiot and Sir Simon Jenkins all backed it and most of the UK tabloids and right of centre broadsheets will still be firmly opposedBojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.0 -
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.
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People just want to spite Theresa May and the Conservative party. Scottish independence is not internationalism, it is petty nationalism.0
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Fair enough. Whether having thousands of prosecco-slurping Londoners backing Scots Indy is good news for Nicola is of course a very debatable point!Mortimer said:
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...0 -
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tsk tsk. It's a meeting about girls, not for them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
#EveryDaySexismHYUFD said:Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls' Council with only men in attendance
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/0 -
Especially when it dawns on the Scots that we English would be more than happy to stop subsidising them (on top of ending our subsidies to the EU of course). Might focus minds north of the wall (thanks Hadrian) about what 'independence' would mean: either budget cuts, tax rises or seeking funding (and therefore dependence) from the EU.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.Bojabob said:Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
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I certainly expect there is more support for Scottish independence in inner London than in Edinburgh, albeit not as much as GlasgowBojabob said:
Fair enough. Whether having thousands of prosecco-slurping Londoners backing Scots Indy is good news for Nicola is of course a very debatable point!Mortimer said:
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...0 -
Just like you.RoyalBlue said:
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.0 -
I was thinking more about the London media influence point of view. In general it's certainly a debatable point, as I mention upthread, that having a load of wealthy Londoners supporting Indy could be a net negative.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.Bojabob said:Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
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You are probably exaggerating just a soupçon there.RoyalBlue said:
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.Bojabob said:Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.Theuniondivvie said:
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.0 -
The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.Bojabob said:Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
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Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
Certainly not our Tory PM who on tonight's polling evidence seems to be doing fine keeping independence at bayJonathan said:The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.
Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.Bojabob said:Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
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https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...0 -
Polls showing less support for Sindy are not good for May?Bojabob said:
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May!
Only in Remoanerland......0 -
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
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The Queen has the final say and would overrule the English as she wants to keep Balmoral!franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them? 0 -
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Tories accept reality and embrace change, it's our USP. So, yes, however much we might regret Blair's Balkanisation of Britain, and however often we remind Labour supporters that Conservatives accurately predicted how it would turn out, it's a fact now, and good Tories accept facts.Jonathan said:The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/news/08/0830/devolution.shtml
Edit: Or, even better:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NUYQrOnasioC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=john+major+warning+scottish+devolution&source=bl&ots=KhuEvs7sTL&sig=tY10na34pvIGsi5RL2Cf80F91Tk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii65GRktfSAhWVOsAKHV7cAhw4ChDoAQhHMAg#v=onepage&q=john major warning scottish devolution&f=false
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One of the greatest adverts of all time.CornishBlue said:
Yes. :PTheuniondivvie said:
Bring them all on! We'll fight them in Brussels, Edinburgh... wherever!
This advert summed up our response to Cameron's renegotiation a year ago. We're now (March 2017) about four-fifths the way through...
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Carlotta
You read my post presumably?
Edit: I hadn't seen the Scotsman front page at that stage.0 -
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....0 -
Made pretty much exactly half-way through the UK's time in the EU and wonderfully predictive of 2016-17.rcs1000 said:
One of the greatest adverts of all time.CornishBlue said:
Yes. :PTheuniondivvie said:
Bring them all on! We'll fight them in Brussels, Edinburgh... wherever!
This advert summed up our response to Cameron's renegotiation a year ago. We're now (March 2017) about four-fifths the way through...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnuDHC-qh80 -
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?CornishBlue said:
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
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Hear hear.Richard_Nabavi said:
Tories accept reality and embrace change, it's our USP. So, yes, however much we might regret Blair's Balkanisation of Britain, and however often we remind Labour supporters that Conservatives accurately predicted how it would turn out, it's a fact now, and good Tories accept facts.Jonathan said:The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/news/08/0830/devolution.shtml0 -
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...0 -
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.kle4 said:
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?CornishBlue said:
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Some think we ought to have such a vote in England, but there is no definitive 'should'. The status quo is presumed to be acceptable until people demand otherwise, and currently no party, that I know of, is advocating the English should vote on separating from the other home nations. Long may that continue. I believe apathy to the union in its largest part is a contributor to not having sorted this mess out long ago.franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
Well then they couldn't join. The sovereign parliaments (London and Dublin) are what matter!kle4 said:
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?CornishBlue said:
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
Although the situation is a little different with NI due to the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty, which I think might force the UK/ROI to do certain things in the event of a border poll.0 -
Frankly I'm surprised it is that low, and I've no doubt that whatever misgivings exist at the idea of reunification in ROI, if NI looked like going that way, they'd take on any burden. But then, people surprise you sometimes.Bojabob said:
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.kle4 said:
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?CornishBlue said:
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced.CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!0 -
Shortly followed by Alan Cumming, also from New York - who went so far as to buy a pokey wee flat in Edinburgh, in the mistaken belief it would buy him a vote in Indyref...HYUFD said:
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/alan-cumming-loses-out-on-referendum-vote-1-32139500 -
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Surely notable for showing zero Budget impact on Con rating - as many thought - despite all the hysteria.TheScreamingEagles said:
And contrast with the ComRes poll with all those leading questions given headline treatment in the Telegraph.0 -
There was actually a poll out this week, I think it was 62-63% by Irish region in favour of reunification. As you imply, solid but not overwhelming.kle4 said:
Frankly I'm surprised it is that low, and I've no doubt that whatever misgivings exist at the idea of reunification in ROI, if NI looked like going that way, they'd take on any burden. But then, people surprise you sometimes.Bojabob said:
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.kle4 said:
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?CornishBlue said:
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..franklyn said:Constitutional question.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?0 -
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.HYUFD said:
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...0 -
Still wriggling?MarqueeMark said:
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.HYUFD said:
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...0 -
I think it would be fair to say:Bojabob said:Carlotta
You read my post presumably?
Edit: I hadn't seen the Scotsman front page at that stage.
- The polls are fluid
- If Mrs McTrump was expecting to see a boost post her soliloquy she's yet to be satisfied
- The SNP position on the EU/EEA/Europe is, shall we say 'under review'.0 -
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Yes I agree with all that.CarlottaVance said:
I think it would be fair to say:Bojabob said:Carlotta
You read my post presumably?
Edit: I hadn't seen the Scotsman front page at that stage.
- The polls are fluid
- If Mrs McTrump was expecting to see a boost post her soliloquy she's yet to be satisfied
- The SNP position on the EU/EEA/Europe is, shall we say 'under review'.0 -
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....Theuniondivvie said:
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
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Not quite a Wallace then!MarqueeMark said:
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.HYUFD said:
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...0 -
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Serves him right, even Sir Andy now lives in Surrey and FloridaCarlottaVance said:
Shortly followed by Alan Cumming, also from New York - who went so far as to buy a pokey wee flat in Edinburgh, in the mistaken belief it would buy him a vote in Indyref...HYUFD said:
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/841736596093321216
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/alan-cumming-loses-out-on-referendum-vote-1-32139500 -
What is an "international business crowd"?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
And don't directors of firms have an explicit moral duty to look after the welfare of their shareholders above all else?0 -
Yes, I was surprised how high the pro-Europe figure was too.Theuniondivvie said:
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced.CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!0 -
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a factrcs1000 said:
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Investment bankers, financiers, corporate lawyers, senior managers and directors of multinational companies, high net worth entrepreneurs etc. See my last commentrcs1000 said:
What is an "international business crowd"?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
And don't directors of firms have an explicit moral duty to look after the welfare of their shareholders above all else?0 -
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
I know how you love the Courier.CarlottaVance said:
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....Theuniondivvie said:
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
https://twitter.com/C_RMacCallum/status/8417952282437632000 -
Company directors are legally obliged to prioritise the welfare of their shareholders over the nation state. Any company director that chose to spend his shareholders money on upholding the nation state to the detriment of shareholders would be in serious trouble.HYUFD said:
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a factrcs1000 said:
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Those rootless cosmopolitans get everywhere..williamglenn said:
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
CNBC report on the Dutch elections:
'PVV likely to win most seats
Polls suggest remain slightly ahead in a (theoretical EU) referendum poll
Events over the weekend have helped Wilders in the polls (Turkey)'
I think all of those are wrong.0 -
MSNBC claims to have 'Trump tax returns'.
Big claim to make.0 -
Dundee of course voted Yes in 2014Theuniondivvie said:
I know how you love the Courier.CarlottaVance said:
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....Theuniondivvie said:
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
https://twitter.com/C_RMacCallum/status/8417952282437632000 -
Erdogan is doubling down:
Turkey's war of words with the Netherlands has worsened after the Turkish president accused the Dutch of carrying out a massacre of Muslim men at Srebrenica, Bosnia, in 1995.
Bosnian Serb forces were in fact behind the massacre but Dutch UN peacekeepers failed to protect the victims.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-392700950 -
For the record: Easyjet != Jetsetwilliamglenn said:
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
That assumes that the 42% count as pro-Europe, as it doesn't describe any possible EU.Bojabob said:
Yes, I was surprised how high the pro-Europe figure was too.Theuniondivvie said:
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced.CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!0 -
I don't see what being an immigrant has to do with anything, there is a slight difference between moving from one nation to another to lower your tax rates and doing so to flee religious persecution or a warzone for examplewilliamglenn said:
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?HYUFD said:
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!Bojabob said:
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
Five times the circulation of The Nat onal - what's not to like? And despite the masthead change its still the Dundee Courier - area with the lowest level of support for the 'No to Inyref2' petition:Theuniondivvie said:
I know how you love the Courier.CarlottaVance said:
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....Theuniondivvie said:
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?CarlottaVance said:
Also:Theuniondivvie said:'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
twitter.com/C_RMacCallum/status/841795228243763200
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=1806420 -
So none of that disputes the contention thenrcs1000 said:
Company directors are legally obliged to prioritise the welfare of their shareholders over the nation state. Any company director that chose to spend his shareholders money on upholding the nation state to the detriment of shareholders would be in serious trouble.HYUFD said:
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a factrcs1000 said:
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.HYUFD said:
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careersBojabob said:Hyufd
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.0 -
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Angus Robertson said his party’s first priority was to protect Scotland’s membership of the European single market.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/14/compromise-still-possible-to-avoid-scotland-independence-vote-says-snp
But not the United Kingdom single market.....0 -
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
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Ye of little faith in Theresa's comprehensive free trade agreement...CarlottaVance said:But not the United Kingdom single market.....
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Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Yes: 47% (-)
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The Yougov poll on national voting intention is good for the Tories - though it also gives Labour its highest voting share since the end of last November.0
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The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speechkle4 said:
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
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But polls also show most people have made up their minds - and the SNP's 'secret weapon' - Remain No voters has turned out to be a dud - there are more Yes Leave voters......hence the confusion over EEA/EU.....kle4 said:
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
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williamglenn said:
Ye of little faith in Theresa's comprehensive free trade agreement...CarlottaVance said:But not the United Kingdom single market.....
Little faith in SNP 'sincerity'.......0 -
justin124 said:
Labour its highest voting share since the end of last November.
That's what I like to see! Glass half full...well, maybe not quite half.....0 -
An opposition MSP who's never held executive office gives you more confidence than a former Chancellor of the Exchequer and veteran campaigner?HYUFD said:
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speechkle4 said:
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
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Even though Davidson is popular with Scots (her appeal is still a bit of a mystery to me, but for whatever reason it's obviously there), I really doubt she or any other politician can move opinion on her own.HYUFD said:
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speechkle4 said:
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
After all, some of the areas which most enthusiastically voted for Gordon Brown's Labour in the 2010 election were often the same places that voted for independence in 2014, despite Brown being probably the most high-profile "No" spokesperson in the last days of the referendum. It will surely be the arguments, and events, that sway how the average Scottish person feels about it; the idea that they'll go along with a particular argument, just because a politician they like is advocating it, is a bit silly.0 -
She is a more effective campaigner yes as seen by her Holyrood campaign last year, Darling was fine for a Project Fear campaign in 2014 but the next No campaign needs to be more positivewilliamglenn said:
An opposition MSP who's never held executive office gives you more confidence than a former Chancellor of the Exchequer and veteran campaigner?HYUFD said:
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speechkle4 said:
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.Danny565 said:Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.0
