Well, we will easily get a three-digit majority if Scotland leaves and boundary changes go through... let's see 600 minus 53 Scottish seats minus a load Sein Fein won't take up... about 540 seats in total... only need 270 for a majority!
Perhaps when they were talking about turning us into Singapore they meant a one-party state.
I've never understood what the virtue of these sorts of polls are supposed to be. Except perhaps that they're useful if you want a story to reinforce the existing narrative
I wouldn't normally put any store on my personal anecdotes but something interesting at my social group this evening. There was real anger with Nicola Sturgeon amongst the normally apolitical members of that group for reopening the independence referendum. Even SNP supporters reckoned she was only doing this as a tactical manoeuvre. Ms Sturgeon may have miscalled this one.
I wouldn't normally put any store on my personal anecdotes but something interesting at my social group this evening. There was real anger with Nicola Sturgeon amongst the normally apolitical members of that group for reopening the independence referendum. Even SNP supporters reckoned she was only doing this as a tactical manoeuvre. Ms Sturgeon may have miscalled this one.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
"One of the most influential voices in Europe Elmar Brok MEP"
Since when has an MEP been influencial? - What do the European Commissioners say?
Well he's chairman of the foreign affairs select committee and a member of Angela Merkel's party so more influential than most.
The tag-line flatters him - he's a reasonably well-known, respected middle-ranking CDU politician who has held a variety of solid posts. Influential? Nah.
"One of the most influential voices in Europe Elmar Brok MEP"
Since when has an MEP been influencial? - What do the European Commissioners say?
Well he's chairman of the foreign affairs select committee and a member of Angela Merkel's party so more influential than most.
The tag-line flatters him - he's a reasonably well-known, respected middle-ranking CDU politician who has held a variety of solid posts. Influential? Nah.
I am curious if you ever had a really flattering tagline attached to a story which you contributed to while in parliament - I feel like everyone has been reported as a 'senior backbencher' if they've been there more than a single term.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
The left liberal intelligentsia was not that opposed to Scottish independence in 2014 either, the likes of George Monbiot and Sir Simon Jenkins all backed it and most of the UK tabloids and right of centre broadsheets will still be firmly opposed
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...
Fair enough. Whether having thousands of prosecco-slurping Londoners backing Scots Indy is good news for Nicola is of course a very debatable point!
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.
Especially when it dawns on the Scots that we English would be more than happy to stop subsidising them (on top of ending our subsidies to the EU of course). Might focus minds north of the wall (thanks Hadrian) about what 'independence' would mean: either budget cuts, tax rises or seeking funding (and therefore dependence) from the EU.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
I've found the same amongst my non Scottish remainer freinds.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...
Fair enough. Whether having thousands of prosecco-slurping Londoners backing Scots Indy is good news for Nicola is of course a very debatable point!
I certainly expect there is more support for Scottish independence in inner London than in Edinburgh, albeit not as much as Glasgow
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.
I was thinking more about the London media influence point of view. In general it's certainly a debatable point, as I mention upthread, that having a load of wealthy Londoners supporting Indy could be a net negative.
Isn't this just a MOE change? I admit it's not great for the SNP, but still.
1pt swing to No since last Yougov.
I'm sure the Brexityoons will now be calling for May to bring it on.
Indeed these polls are not great in that respect for May! She will be immediately under pressure to grant it.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
You've spent an evening with Remainers so fanatical they would happily see their country break up, just to prove their doom-laden prophecies right. The fact that this would leave the 'internationalists' (sic) stuck in a state where they constitute an even smaller minority shows that they have abandoned rational thought for self-righteous feeling.
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.
You are probably exaggerating just a soupçon there.
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Not sure about that. It's possible that the thing which would be most fatal to support for Scottish independence would be the realisation amongst Scots that the English are cool with it, maybe even rather like the idea.
Certainly not our Tory PM who on tonight's polling evidence seems to be doing fine keeping independence at bay
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
The Queen has the final say and would overrule the English as she wants to keep Balmoral!
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.
Tories accept reality and embrace change, it's our USP. So, yes, however much we might regret Blair's Balkanisation of Britain, and however often we remind Labour supporters that Conservatives accurately predicted how it would turn out, it's a fact now, and good Tories accept facts.
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?
The Balkanisation of Britain increasingly seems to appeal to our Tory Brethren.
Tories accept reality and embrace change, it's our USP. So, yes, however much we might regret Blair's Balkanisation of Britain, and however often we remind Labour supporters that Conservatives accurately predicted how it would turn out, it's a fact now, and good Tories accept facts.
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
Some think we ought to have such a vote in England, but there is no definitive 'should'. The status quo is presumed to be acceptable until people demand otherwise, and currently no party, that I know of, is advocating the English should vote on separating from the other home nations. Long may that continue. I believe apathy to the union in its largest part is a contributor to not having sorted this mess out long ago.
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?
Well then they couldn't join. The sovereign parliaments (London and Dublin) are what matter!
Although the situation is a little different with NI due to the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty, which I think might force the UK/ROI to do certain things in the event of a border poll.
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.
Frankly I'm surprised it is that low, and I've no doubt that whatever misgivings exist at the idea of reunification in ROI, if NI looked like going that way, they'd take on any burden. But then, people surprise you sometimes.
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced. Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU? Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Shortly followed by Alan Cumming, also from New York - who went so far as to buy a pokey wee flat in Edinburgh, in the mistaken belief it would buy him a vote in Indyref...
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Constitutional question. Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
That's not really a constitutional question - that's a political question as the constitutional aspect is easy - Scotland could be forced legally out of the UK in the same way as it would go in any case - by an Act of Parliament. Politically "not going to happen" leaps to mind however, therefore the constitutional point is moot..
Speaking of unlikely hypothetical, what about if NI voted to unify with ROI but ROI didn't vote to accept them?
Simple. It remains in the UK. Both sides of the Irish border have to vote Yes to removing the partition. As it happens, it's highly unlikely as Irish nationalism runs at a solid 60+% in the Republic.
Frankly I'm surprised it is that low, and I've no doubt that whatever misgivings exist at the idea of reunification in ROI, if NI looked like going that way, they'd take on any burden. But then, people surprise you sometimes.
There was actually a poll out this week, I think it was 62-63% by Irish region in favour of reunification. As you imply, solid but not overwhelming.
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Brian Cox has the weakest handshake I have ever known. It was like being proffered a recently killed herring.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Thankyou Brian, for fitting in a few minutes of your time to endorse the cause of Scottish independence from your Manhattan Penthouse, I believe they will be switching to hear the views of Sir Sean from the Bahamas shortly after!
Shortly followed by Alan Cumming, also from New York - who went so far as to buy a pokey wee flat in Edinburgh, in the mistaken belief it would buy him a vote in Indyref...
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
What is an "international business crowd"?
And don't directors of firms have an explicit moral duty to look after the welfare of their shareholders above all else?
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced. Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU? Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!
Yes, I was surprised how high the pro-Europe figure was too.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a fact
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
What is an "international business crowd"?
And don't directors of firms have an explicit moral duty to look after the welfare of their shareholders above all else?
Investment bankers, financiers, corporate lawyers, senior managers and directors of multinational companies, high net worth entrepreneurs etc. See my last comment
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a fact
Company directors are legally obliged to prioritise the welfare of their shareholders over the nation state. Any company director that chose to spend his shareholders money on upholding the nation state to the detriment of shareholders would be in serious trouble.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?
'PVV likely to win most seats Polls suggest remain slightly ahead in a (theoretical EU) referendum poll Events over the weekend have helped Wilders in the polls (Turkey)'
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....
Turkey's war of words with the Netherlands has worsened after the Turkish president accused the Dutch of carrying out a massacre of Muslim men at Srebrenica, Bosnia, in 1995. Bosnian Serb forces were in fact behind the massacre but Dutch UN peacekeepers failed to protect the victims.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
'a further 42% said the country should stay in but Brussels should have its powers reduced. Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU? Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!
Yes, I was surprised how high the pro-Europe figure was too.
That assumes that the 42% count as pro-Europe, as it doesn't describe any possible EU.
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
A somewhat crass and demonstrably untrue statement that does you no credit.
Show me an international business crowd which would stick around very long in their home nation if its economy was going south and their taxes were going up and you are a better man than me!
Is being an immigrant always a marker of moral degeneracy or only if you're part of the jet set?
I don't see what being an immigrant has to do with anything, there is a slight difference between moving from one nation to another to lower your tax rates and doing so to flee religious persecution or a warzone for example
'Independence support hits highest level in annual survey
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Clearly Eck 'we'll join the EEA' should be listening to you.....
Five times the circulation of The Nat onal - what's not to like? And despite the masthead change its still the Dundee Courier - area with the lowest level of support for the 'No to Inyref2' petition:
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
International business crowds have no loyalty to any nation, just money and their own careers
Yes, us business people are all utterly amoral and unpatriotic. The first thing we do when we turn left on the airplane is sing a secret international anthem about the rise of profit and the downfall of the nation state.
Given the choice between profit and the nation state they would choose profit everytime, nothing necessarily wrong with that but that is a fact
Company directors are legally obliged to prioritise the welfare of their shareholders over the nation state. Any company director that chose to spend his shareholders money on upholding the nation state to the detriment of shareholders would be in serious trouble.
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
The Yougov poll on national voting intention is good for the Tories - though it also gives Labour its highest voting share since the end of last November.
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speech
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
But polls also show most people have made up their minds - and the SNP's 'secret weapon' - Remain No voters has turned out to be a dud - there are more Yes Leave voters......hence the confusion over EEA/EU.....
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speech
An opposition MSP who's never held executive office gives you more confidence than a former Chancellor of the Exchequer and veteran campaigner?
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speech
Even though Davidson is popular with Scots (her appeal is still a bit of a mystery to me, but for whatever reason it's obviously there), I really doubt she or any other politician can move opinion on her own.
After all, some of the areas which most enthusiastically voted for Gordon Brown's Labour in the 2010 election were often the same places that voted for independence in 2014, despite Brown being probably the most high-profile "No" spokesperson in the last days of the referendum. It will surely be the arguments, and events, that sway how the average Scottish person feels about it; the idea that they'll go along with a particular argument, just because a politician they like is advocating it, is a bit silly.
Britain Elects @britainelects 12m12 minutes ago More Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-) No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech) Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Makes me nervous after the fervour and optimism of a campaign gets underway at some point. Project fear is a real thing, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to point out some fears, but it won't be as effective next time, and yes starts from a higher base.
The more optimistic Davidson will be the main spokesperson for No, not Darling and Sturgeon has clearly got no bounce from her speech
An opposition MSP who's never held executive office gives you more confidence than a former Chancellor of the Exchequer and veteran campaigner?
She is a more effective campaigner yes as seen by her Holyrood campaign last year, Darling was fine for a Project Fear campaign in 2014 but the next No campaign needs to be more positive
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Bring them all on! We'll fight them in Brussels, Edinburgh... wherever!
This advert summed up our response to Cameron's renegotiation a year ago. We're now (March 2017) about four-fifths the way through...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnuDHC-qh8
@aidanskinner: @dhothersall leave the greens alone they're learning about primacy of political opportunism. it's an important moment for them.
@mcnalu: @aidanskinner @dhothersall yes, let them have their 2010 lib dem moment.
Harsh...
https://twitter.com/xtophercook/status/841784211392593921/photo/1
Incidentally - and this is an anecdote alert that I will no doubt get shouted down for - I'm genuinely surprised by the level of sympathy down here for Scottish independence. I have just been to a big event this evening - very Remainery internationalist London admittedly. Sturgeon popular; Ref II seen as right; Indy seen as right by people who were formerly dead against. If media down here follow suit - strong card for Sturgeon.
Scots, meanwhile, roll their eyes. At least those I know...
Fortunately such people will play no decisive role in Scotland's next independence referendum.
Surely the English should have a vote on separation from Scotland, and what would happen if the Scots votes to stay, and the English voted to get rid of them?
My favourite Zoomer, who lives in Windsor, has also been busy on Twitter today. Joyous, if not really civic in any way...
Only in Remoanerland......
Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. The study, which has been conducted since 1999, found support for independence at 46% when people are asked to choose between devolution, having no parliament and leaving the UK.It is the highest support registered for independence since the survey began in 1999.
..The report's author, Professor John Curtice, said: "The nationalist movement in Scotland has never been stronger electorally."
..Mark Diffley, from polling company Ipsos MORI, said: "This is significant and in line with recent polling despite the earlier fieldwork dates. This is undoubtedly good news for the First Minister and for independence campaigners. We are in line for a tight race as and when the referendum really gets under way."'
http://tinyurl.com/h63qqxy
These weren't so much a left liberal crowd as an international business crowd. And they were opposed, mostly, in 2014. It might not count for anything. It was merely a surprising observation. @Mortimer has observed similarly.
I assume the mail one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/news/08/0830/devolution.shtml
Edit: Or, even better:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NUYQrOnasioC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=john+major+warning+scottish+devolution&source=bl&ots=KhuEvs7sTL&sig=tY10na34pvIGsi5RL2Cf80F91Tk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii65GRktfSAhWVOsAKHV7cAhw4ChDoAQhHMAg#v=onepage&q=john major warning scottish devolution&f=false
You read my post presumably?
Edit: I hadn't seen the Scotsman front page at that stage.
"However, the commitment to the EU of many of those who voted to remain does not appear to be strong enough that they are likely to be persuaded by the outcome of the EU referendum to change their preference for staying in the UK.
"Meanwhile, there is a risk that linking independence closely to the idea of staying in the EU could alienate some of those who currently back leaving the UK."
Hence Mrs McTrump's screeching U-turn on EU Membership.....
Although the situation is a little different with NI due to the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty, which I think might force the UK/ROI to do certain things in the event of a border poll.
Just 21% said the relationship should stay the same while only 7% thought the organisation should either get more powers or become a single continental government.'
So that's only 70% for staying in the EU?
Quick Nic, get David Coburn in as a consultant!
http://www.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/alan-cumming-loses-out-on-referendum-vote-1-3213950
And contrast with the ComRes poll with all those leading questions given headline treatment in the Telegraph.
- The polls are fluid
- If Mrs McTrump was expecting to see a boost post her soliloquy she's yet to be satisfied
- The SNP position on the EU/EEA/Europe is, shall we say 'under review'.
And don't directors of firms have an explicit moral duty to look after the welfare of their shareholders above all else?
https://twitter.com/C_RMacCallum/status/841795228243763200
'PVV likely to win most seats
Polls suggest remain slightly ahead in a (theoretical EU) referendum poll
Events over the weekend have helped Wilders in the polls (Turkey)'
I think all of those are wrong.
Big claim to make.
Turkey's war of words with the Netherlands has worsened after the Turkish president accused the Dutch of carrying out a massacre of Muslim men at Srebrenica, Bosnia, in 1995.
Bosnian Serb forces were in fact behind the massacre but Dutch UN peacekeepers failed to protect the victims.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39270095
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=180642
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/14/compromise-still-possible-to-avoid-scotland-independence-vote-says-snp
But not the United Kingdom single market.....
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Scottish independence poll:
Yes: 47% (-)
No: 53% (-)
(via Survation / taken post-FM's speech)
Chgs. (or no chgs.) w/ Sep 2016.
Little faith in SNP 'sincerity'.......
That's what I like to see! Glass half full...well, maybe not quite half.....
After all, some of the areas which most enthusiastically voted for Gordon Brown's Labour in the 2010 election were often the same places that voted for independence in 2014, despite Brown being probably the most high-profile "No" spokesperson in the last days of the referendum. It will surely be the arguments, and events, that sway how the average Scottish person feels about it; the idea that they'll go along with a particular argument, just because a politician they like is advocating it, is a bit silly.