Wasn't that the point? I'm always a bit puzzled when governments create economic incentives and then complain when people take them up and buy diesel cars, go self-employed or install solar panels.
The thesis was objected to on about 15 different mutually contradictory grounds but it still looks fair enough to me.
Looks like they are taking Ed Miliband's economic policies and Nigel Farage's social ones. But when push comes to shove, Milibandism wins - immigration has to stay high for the Tories to deliver.
So this Tory government that says it wants to drastically reduce immigration - and is prioritising that over retaining single market membership - is actually reliant on continuing high levels of immigration to keep the economy afloat.
On topic - with a decent leader of the opposition the entire political landscape would look very different. In fact, the likelihood is that had Labour had a leader who did not support leaving the EU, David Cameron would still be Prime Minister.
I suppose we must give Dave some slack. In all the hours spent weighing up the pros and cons for calling a referendum, surely 'Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader' never featured in the calculation.
A "close friend" of mine may well be attacking this 'shabby NI increase & attack on hard working van drivers' "For what it is" for the next two months by the way
On International Women's Day, one for the writers around here.....
Nichols sent out 50 queries under her male pseudonym in total, and got 17 requests from agents – both men and women – asking for her full manuscript. She writes:
"He [her male pseudonym] is eight and a half times better than me at writing the same book. Fully a third of the agents who saw his query wanted to see more, where my numbers never did shift from one in 25"
So this Tory government that says it wants to drastically reduce immigration - and is prioritising that over retaining single market membership - is actually reliant on continuing high levels of immigration to keep the economy afloat.
Yes. Nothing about "Leave" makes any sense to me. My cupboard is now fully stocked with a couple of years supply of popcorn so I can now survive the Zombie Apocalypse or the screams of frustrated Brexiteers, whichever comes first.
Mrs C, that can be a problem. There are far more male fantasy/sci-fi writers than women. However, the reverse is true for romantic fiction, yet nobody seems to care.
On International Women's Day, one for the writers around here.....
Nichols sent out 50 queries under her male pseudonym in total, and got 17 requests from agents – both men and women – asking for her full manuscript. She writes:
"He [her male pseudonym] is eight and a half times better than me at writing the same book. Fully a third of the agents who saw his query wanted to see more, where my numbers never did shift from one in 25"
F1: BBC live feed from half an hour ago: "Looks like Alonso has come out fighting to the Spanish media. "The team are all ready to win except Honda," they quote him saying. Ouch"
Mrs C, that can be a problem. There are far more male fantasy/sci-fi writers than women. However, the reverse is true for romantic fiction, yet nobody seems to care.
This line about people becoming self employed to avoid tax makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who is serious about minimising their tax will has setup a limited company which is far more tax efficient than the self employed structure. Half the IT industry does this.
The differences in employee and self-employed rates of taxation seem reasonable to me given the lack of holiday/sick pay and other employment rights.
This line about people becoming self employed to avoid tax makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who is serious about minimising their tax will has setup a limited company which is far more tax efficient than the self employed structure. Half the IT industry does this.
The differences in employee and self-employed rates of taxation seem reasonable to me given the lack of holiday/sick pay and other employment rights.
It's the allowances, isn't it?
All the things that PAYE people have no scope to make tax deductible.
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
I agree the policy is fine.However the promise not to raise NI at the last GE is.
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
85% will be unaffected and the remainer face an average rise of 60p per week according to Sky.
The fuss about this minor tax change shows just how suspect polls are that say the public would be happy to pay more tax for the NHS and social care. Seems to me that it is ok for a tax rise as long as it does not affect me
Apparently I am on Plato's ignore list. But no-one is on mine. A) I can't see the point of ignoring an anonymous character on an internet forum and I have no idea what an ignore list is.
Apparently I am on Plato's ignore list. But no-one is on mine. A) I can't see the point of ignoring an anonymous character on an internet forum and I have no idea what an ignore list is.
I wish I was on SeanT's (or would he be on mine so I could miss his expletive-laden posts?)
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
I agree the policy is fine.However the promise not to raise NI at the last GE is.
That is Cameron's fault for promising not to raise income tax or NI and cut inheritance tax and protect the family home and funding for social care and the NHS, it was fine in theory from Dave and George but short of the magic money tree something had to give especially given the finances are still not in balance
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
85% will be unaffected and the remainer face an average rise of 60p per week according to Sky.
The fuss about this minor tax change shows just how suspect polls are that say the public would be happy to pay more tax for the NHS and social care. Seems to me that it is ok for a tax rise as long as it does not affect me
Exactly and any other tax rise would have seen an even bigger row
Dates back to 2010, but some of Osborne's tax changes encouraged Self Employment, with some creative responses to share ownership. Given the ways in which The Tories have trimmed their sails to the political wind, the NIC change is an embarrassment rather than a game changer like Brexit.
Hmm. Class 4 NI is currently payable at 9% on earnings between £8060 and £43000 so on a band of £34940. So a 1% increase is £349.40. Against which there is the abolition of class 2, currently a fixed rate of £2.80 a week or £145.60 a year. So a tax increase of ££203.80 this year and another £349.40 next year.
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
I agree the policy is fine.However the promise not to raise NI at the last GE is.
That is Cameron's fault for promising not to raise income tax or NI and cut inheritance tax and protect the family home and funding for social care and the NHS, it was fine in theory from Dave and George but short of the magic money tree something had to give especially given the finances are still not in balance
Very true but I do not think Conservative spokespersons will say the same as you .They wiill obfuscate the promise given.
There the ones I feel most sorry for in all of this.
Who speaks for the poor, put-upon, freelance video producers?
Actually they probably don't earn as much as you think and it's a risky living.
Of course.
I know a couple - one a friend since childhood, the other is in the family - at very different ends of the spectrum, .
One earns a modest income doing local work, the other is taking substantial commissions from large organisations.
Interestingly, both have a day job. One is full time PAYE, while the other sacrificed an element of PAYE security to branch out on her own. It's not very hard to guess which is which.
There are quite a number of people like this I imagine, simultaneously employed and self employed.
Hmm. Class 4 NI is currently payable at 9% on earnings between £8060 and £43000 so on a band of £34940. So a 1% increase is £349.40. Against which there is the abolition of class 2, currently a fixed rate of £2.80 a week or £145.60 a year. So a tax increase of ££203.80 this year and another £349.40 next year.
What is all this hysteria about?
*Grabs a random payslip*
Taxable pay 18210.15 NIC Ees 1620.71 NIC Ers 1859.97
So how would this look if I was self employed ? And how will it look post budget.
I believe Republican Tory still posts from time to time.
Avery Limpole
Surely Avery was George Osborne or a close associate? No one else could have been bothered to go to so much effort to 'prove' the government was 'paying down the debt' when it was in fact adding to the debt
I believe Republican Tory still posts from time to time.
Avery Limpole
Surely Avery was George Osborne or a close associate? No one else could have been bothered to go to so much effort to 'prove' the government was 'paying down the debt' when it was in fact adding to the debt
Avery always had a good sense of humour, a spat between him and Mick Pork could have me in stitches
Hmm. Class 4 NI is currently payable at 9% on earnings between £8060 and £43000 so on a band of £34940. So a 1% increase is £349.40. Against which there is the abolition of class 2, currently a fixed rate of £2.80 a week or £145.60 a year. So a tax increase of ££203.80 this year and another £349.40 next year.
What is all this hysteria about?
The broken promise people are sick of reading politicians lips.
I believe Republican Tory still posts from time to time.
Avery Limpole
Surely Avery was George Osborne or a close associate? No one else could have been bothered to go to so much effort to 'prove' the government was 'paying down the debt' when it was in fact adding to the debt
Avery always had a good sense of humour, a spat between him and Mick Pork could have me in stitches
The golden days. Mick Pork. Where did all the flowers go?
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
I agree the policy is fine.However the promise not to raise NI at the last GE is.
That is Cameron's fault for promising not to raise income tax or NI and cut inheritance tax and protect the family home and funding for social care and the NHS, it was fine in theory from Dave and George but short of the magic money tree something had to give especially given the finances are still not in balance
Very true but I do not think Conservative spokespersons will say the same as you .They wiill obfuscate the promise given.
Raising NICs is nothing like the pasty tax, hitting a lunchtime snack but a sensible way to ensure the self employed also make an equal contribution to social care and the NHS which they will almost all directly benefit from
85% will be unaffected and the remainer face an average rise of 60p per week according to Sky.
The fuss about this minor tax change shows just how suspect polls are that say the public would be happy to pay more tax for the NHS and social care. Seems to me that it is ok for a tax rise as long as it does not affect me
Sir Lynton said those type of questions / polling numbers were bullshit for among other things those reasons.
Hmm. Class 4 NI is currently payable at 9% on earnings between £8060 and £43000 so on a band of £34940. So a 1% increase is £349.40. Against which there is the abolition of class 2, currently a fixed rate of £2.80 a week or £145.60 a year. So a tax increase of ££203.80 this year and another £349.40 next year.
What is all this hysteria about?
*Grabs a random payslip*
Taxable pay 18210.15 NIC Ees 1620.71 NIC Ers 1859.97
So how would this look if I was self employed ? And how will it look post budget.
You really need an accountant on this rather than a mere lawyer but AIUU at the moment the NI would be 9% x (£18210 -£8050) = £914.40 + class 2 of £145.60 = total of £1060.
Next year it would be 10% x 10,160= £1,016. So for someone earning that much their NI is going down. In either case it is significantly less than the employees contribution let alone what the employer pays on top.
Of course, as others have pointed out, there is the small matter of who pays the sick pay etc.
Comments
Edit: here it is:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
My Peugeot 207 diesel still £30 a year
no chance
toxic George just kills off that urge to vote blue
Georgemy Corborne
Elizabeth Herridge Retweeted Press Association
In just 1 day I've felt valued as a #woman, yet entirely undervalued as a #selfemployed #businesswoman #Budget2017 #IWD2017
https://twitter.com/HeresHerridge/status/839527963594993664
She's a freelance video producer from London.
7 years of kissing butt only to find its the wrong butt :-)
Nichols sent out 50 queries under her male pseudonym in total, and got 17 requests from agents – both men and women – asking for her full manuscript. She writes:
"He [her male pseudonym] is eight and a half times better than me at writing the same book. Fully a third of the agents who saw his query wanted to see more, where my numbers never did shift from one in 25"
https://www.indy100.com/article/female-author-male-pseudonym-agent-published-books-crazy-novels-7547666
(Disclaimer: I am not a literary author, although sometimes coding does feel like a work of art....)
But that they said it then does not make it unjustifiable now, but that would take more effort than i suspect they are willing to put in.
There are also initiatives specifically to help women:
https://twitter.com/Cavetraveller/status/839472761013735426
And that's just because she wants to get into Austen's breeches.
http://www.ludlow.org.uk/events.asp
I thought "Fly fishing for Free " could be useful for you in Soho
Little old me ;-)
I never take anything on here personally, remember when some people accused you of being a racist, and I told them they were talking bollocks?
https://twitter.com/georgegreenwood/status/839523111947157504
https://twitter.com/georgegreenwood/status/839524711184936960
"Looks like Alonso has come out fighting to the Spanish media. "The team are all ready to win except Honda," they quote him saying. Ouch"
The differences in employee and self-employed rates of taxation seem reasonable to me given the lack of holiday/sick pay and other employment rights.
Would you go into HMV and steal a boxset?
Yes i do and i thanked you and tim at the time .
I suppose the EU referendum did cause damage to some friendly relationships on pb.
Who speaks for the poor, put-upon, freelance video producers?
Mrs C, men often take female pseudonyms when writing romantic fiction.
All the things that PAYE people have no scope to make tax deductible.
So you're all on the ignore list for the next few hours.
The fuss about this minor tax change shows just how suspect polls are that say the public would be happy to pay more tax for the NHS and social care. Seems to me that it is ok for a tax rise as long as it does not affect me
Republican Tory
SallyC
https://order-order.com/2017/03/08/may-opposed-national-insurance-rise-2010/
Dates back to 2010, but some of Osborne's tax changes encouraged Self Employment, with some creative responses to share ownership. Given the ways in which The Tories have trimmed their sails to the political wind, the NIC change is an embarrassment rather than a game changer like Brexit.
What is all this hysteria about?
Be good to see NigelforEngland back - agreed
Greatest PB Leftie of all time.
I know a couple - one a friend since childhood, the other is in the family - at very different ends of the spectrum, .
One earns a modest income doing local work, the other is taking substantial commissions from large organisations.
Interestingly, both have a day job. One is full time PAYE, while the other sacrificed an element of PAYE security to branch out on her own. It's not very hard to guess which is which.
There are quite a number of people like this I imagine, simultaneously employed and self employed.
Taxable pay 18210.15
NIC Ees 1620.71
NIC Ers 1859.97
So how would this look if I was self employed ?
And how will it look post budget.
A way to pass a few hours.
Ha! Yes. T
The golden days. Mick Pork. Where did all the flowers go?
https://youtu.be/82eGHYsP0FE
Next year it would be 10% x 10,160= £1,016. So for someone earning that much their NI is going down. In either case it is significantly less than the employees contribution let alone what the employer pays on top.
Of course, as others have pointed out, there is the small matter of who pays the sick pay etc.