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@Lucian_Fletcher Which seat are you in ?
Looking rough for the UUP. Weirdly John Stewart (2-1) (Still half a chance maybe) looking in better shape than Kennedy though (Looks complete toast to me)0 -
17 out of 18 declated
DUP 27.9%
Sinn Fein 26.9%
209,832 vs 202,237 votes
Fermanagh & South Tyrone is the one missing0 -
A good article and I agree with it pretty well in its entirety. Good to see somebody else debunking the myth that Corbyn increased his margin of victory in 2016!david_herdson said:
I did try to forestall that by my (genuinely-held) view that the country needs an effective opposition.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a good piece (as one would expect!), but if I were a Labour moderate wondering whether to take the disinterested advice of the Chairman of Wakefield District Conservatives, I'd be worrying about three potential downsides:david_herdson said:Kind of on topic, can anyone access this link? If so, please feel free to read and criticise. If not, please let me know. I can't open it myself (though I do know what it should say).
http://totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-labour-moderates-should-consider-second-leadership-challenge
- What happens if we try to dislodge Corbyn and fail again?
- What would the effect on the party be if we win, but only by blocking a left-wing candidate from getting on to the ballot?
- Can we get agreement on a single unifying candidate, or would we be in for yet another bruising and divisive contest?
However, to answer your questions:
1. If Labour MPs can persuade a Starmer or Benn to stand, and Corbyn then wins again, then that really is game up for 2020 and perhaps for good. That said, I don't think they would lose, for the reasons I mention. The much bigger risks are either that they don't stand at all or that they wimp out, do a deal to nominate a Corbyn-successor, and then lose to him/her.
2. It will clear out all the nutters who have paralysed Labour for the last two years. Bar the drop in income, that'd be a win-win.
3. Who knows? But it'd be a measure of Labour's maturity as to whether they could or not (as an aside, this is another good reason for challenging Corbyn directly: the threshold for nominations is higher so it lessens the likelihood of 2+ challengers being nominated.
Personally I am inclined to the view that it would be good for two or three candidates to challenge Corbyn so that if one or more were to stumble - as did Owen Smith last year - support can be easily transferred to one of the alternatives.0 -
Will be a small shift to the Shinners from there. Perhaps around 4,500 votes.AndreaParma_82 said:17 out of 18 declated
DUP 27.9%
Sinn Fein 26.9%
209,832 vs 202,237 votes
Fermanagh & South Tyrone is the one missing
Expect the DUP to have most first prefs, just.0 -
What was there to criticise? We were told, on the one hand, that the prospect of Turkey joining was universally loathed, to the extent hat clever Remainers here and abroad would ensure it never happened, and the talks was just us stringing them along; but on the other, that if Leavers made the point that they didn't much fancy Turkey, that was an indicator of their own illiberal loathsomeness? Is there anything wrong with not wanting an alliance with an impoverished crypto- (increasingly less crypto-) Islamic country 70 million strong with nothing to offer us at all? And led by bloody Erdogan? Is Viktor Orban not enough of a fascist nutter to ensure that that political tendency is already adequately represented in the EU?kle4 said:
Well in fairness even some leavers on here, myself included, criticised that sort of thing. But it clearly resonated with people and I think it will be harder to accomodate those it did appeal to than some think.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we're talking about Vote Leave, then you missed this as well then, not living in the UK?AlsoIndigo said:
No I didnt miss it. I also didn't miss that Leave.EU wasn't the official campaign, I assume that slipped your memoryTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you don't live here, so it is understandable you missed this.AlsoIndigo said:
No they didn't, you must have missed that the campaign was "Take Back Control".Recidivist said:
And this will satisfy Brexit voters who thought they were keeping foreigners out?SeanT said:
This is the most pointless argument. The government has already agreed that we will need seasonal workers in agriculture, post Brexit.dugarbandier said:
what industries should we be in?Fishing said:
Eh? If the facts are as reported, fruit-picking is exactly the kind of low wage, low productivity industry kept alive by cheap immigrant labour that this country should no longer be in. It manages a dismal trifecta, using land, labour and capital inefficiently.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile, the fruit rots.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/04/british-farmers-will-have-access-migrant-workers-brexit-andrea/
The fruit will not rot.
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My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
Wow. That's pretty frightening for Mr Smithson Senior, I'm glad the treatment seems to be working.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
At the start of February after a heavy cold I woke one morning to discover both my ears had been bleeding and I’d lost 80-90% of my hearing. This was profoundly shocking, isolating and very worrying. I realised I needed the NHS at a time when the pressure on it was absolutely enormous.
I haven’t been disappointed. My GP got me an appointment within 24 hours to see an ENT specialist and I only had to wait four days for the first hospital visit. The treatment seems to be working.
I share this because those of us without health insurance totally rely on the NHS for situations like this which is why it is so politically important.
Whenever I go into a hospital, I ALWAYS think: one day I will go into a hospital AND NOT COME OUT
It's a scary and sobering thought, but also quite animating, and energising. Life is so fucking short. Enjoy it, even the boring bits.
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I've laid a smidgen, at almost identical odds to my initial backing of Baroin. However, I also have a back at 65 and a lay at 11, so still rosy if he does get the nod.
Edited extra bit: a Juppe/Baroin-Macron second round would be splendid.0 -
How many transfers in East Antrim will go from UKIP to Sinn Fein then
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@Lucian_Fletcher Don't worry about it, my money my choices. The demolition job you gave me in the last (Non pb) diplomacy game was alot more painful !
"Babblers and Schemers 1900"0 -
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
Can't access at work but I have £10 on the DUP most seats at BF - what happens if they tie?0
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Mr. T, from a nose bleed?0
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The danger with that is that the 'left' candidate wins a sizable lead on the first round and despite then losing due to being transfer-adverse, gains some kind of moral victory for having 'won' on first preferences.justin124 said:
A good article and I agree with it pretty well in its entirety. Good to see somebody else debunking the myth that Corbyn increased his margin of victory in 2016!david_herdson said:
I did try to forestall that by my (genuinely-held) view that the country needs an effective opposition.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a good piece (as one would expect!), but if I were a Labour moderate wondering whether to take the disinterested advice of the Chairman of Wakefield District Conservatives, I'd be worrying about three potential downsides:david_herdson said:Kind of on topic, can anyone access this link? If so, please feel free to read and criticise. If not, please let me know. I can't open it myself (though I do know what it should say).
http://totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-labour-moderates-should-consider-second-leadership-challenge
- What happens if we try to dislodge Corbyn and fail again?
- What would the effect on the party be if we win, but only by blocking a left-wing candidate from getting on to the ballot?
- Can we get agreement on a single unifying candidate, or would we be in for yet another bruising and divisive contest?
However, to answer your questions:
1. If Labour MPs can persuade a Starmer or Benn to stand, and Corbyn then wins again, then that really is game up for 2020 and perhaps for good. That said, I don't think they would lose, for the reasons I mention. The much bigger risks are either that they don't stand at all or that they wimp out, do a deal to nominate a Corbyn-successor, and then lose to him/her.
2. It will clear out all the nutters who have paralysed Labour for the last two years. Bar the drop in income, that'd be a win-win.
3. Who knows? But it'd be a measure of Labour's maturity as to whether they could or not (as an aside, this is another good reason for challenging Corbyn directly: the threshold for nominations is higher so it lessens the likelihood of 2+ challengers being nominated.
Personally I am inclined to the view that it would be good for two or three candidates to challenge Corbyn so that if one or more were to stumble - as did Owen Smith last year - support can be easily transferred to one of the alternatives.0 -
I want to die on my 100th birthday, and I want my wife to be so upset, that she cancels her 21st birthday party as a mark of respect.SeanT said:
I'd like to die like Atilla the Hun. Or Lord Palmerston.IanB2 said:
My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
Wow. That's pretty frightening for Mr Smithson Senior, I'm glad the treatment seems to be working.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
At the start of February after a heavy cold I woke one morning to discover both my ears had been bleeding and I’d lost 80-90% of my hearing. This was profoundly shocking, isolating and very worrying. I realised I needed the NHS at a time when the pressure on it was absolutely enormous.
I haven’t been disappointed. My GP got me an appointment within 24 hours to see an ENT specialist and I only had to wait four days for the first hospital visit. The treatment seems to be working.
I share this because those of us without health insurance totally rely on the NHS for situations like this which is why it is so politically important.
Whenever I go into a hospital, I ALWAYS think: one day I will go into a hospital AND NOT COME OUT
It's a scary and sobering thought, but also quite animating, and energising. Life is so fucking short. Enjoy it, even the boring bits.0 -
DUP should remain the largest party then,Pulpstar said:
Will be a small shift to the Shinners from there. Perhaps around 4,500 votes.AndreaParma_82 said:17 out of 18 declated
DUP 27.9%
Sinn Fein 26.9%
209,832 vs 202,237 votes
Fermanagh & South Tyrone is the one missing
Expect the DUP to have most first prefs, just.0 -
I assume you're on at 1.2 or so ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Can't access at work but I have £10 on the DUP most seats at BF - what happens if they tie?
I think you'll lose some money, not all of it but some as you are on under evens.0 -
Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.0 -
Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.0
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Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.0 -
Singapore is basically the equivalent of central London, if you include Malaysia too (which Singapore used to be part of) you get the equivalent of the UK and a rather different storyBigRich said:
And, I'm with you!Philip_Thompson said:
Do I want to create a confident, successful, wealthy nation for 60 million?williamglenn said:
You want to create a Singapore for 60 million then?Fishing said:
Eh? Fruit-picking is exactly the kind of low wage, low productivity industry kept alive by cheap immigrant labour that this country should no longer be in. It manages a dismal trifecta, using land, labour and capital inefficiently.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile, the fruit rots.
Yes. Don't you?
Singapore is 94% more wealthy per person than the UK, better education, better healthcare, and taxis only half the level in the UK, I would copy there economic position in a jot!!!0 -
Mr. Meeks, be careful for what you wish for. It didn't work out well for Tithonus.0
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Yeah, right, whatevs.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.0 -
Mr. Eagles, conjecture.0
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Sinn Fein coming first will be a depressing moment in the history of Northern Ireland; that said, I don't think it presages the end of the Union. I'm pretty sure recent polls show declining Catholic enthusiasm for unification, while the Protestants are almost universally opposed.
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As I've asked before which section do the Alliance come in? The GFA seems to be perpetuating sectarian divide rather than ending it.david_herdson said:
I don't think that's possible, is it? Doesn't the Stormont House agreement reserve the FM/DFM positions for the largest party in each of the two respective sections?HYUFD said:
If it is tied between the DUP and SF that means neither will give an inch to the other and a UUP + SDLP + Alliance deal is not impossible with Mike Nesbitt as First MinisterPulpstar said:#NIreland (33% counted)
#DUP: 27% (-2)
#SF: 27% (+3)
#UUP: 14% (+1)
#SDLP: 12%
#A: 9% (+2)
#TUV: 3% (-1)
#Green: 3%
#PbP: 1% (-1) #AE17
Apparently.0 -
President Felix Faure died from a stroke (official version) but at the hands of his mistress.SeanT said:
I'd like to die like Atilla the Hun. Or Lord Palmerston.IanB2 said:
My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
Wow. That's pretty frightening for Mr Smithson Senior, I'm glad the treatment seems to be working.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
At the start of February after a heavy cold I woke one morning to discover both my ears had been bleeding and I’d lost 80-90% of my hearing. This was profoundly shocking, isolating and very worrying. I realised I needed the NHS at a time when the pressure on it was absolutely enormous.
I haven’t been disappointed. My GP got me an appointment within 24 hours to see an ENT specialist and I only had to wait four days for the first hospital visit. The treatment seems to be working.
I share this because those of us without health insurance totally rely on the NHS for situations like this which is why it is so politically important.
Whenever I go into a hospital, I ALWAYS think: one day I will go into a hospital AND NOT COME OUT
It's a scary and sobering thought, but also quite animating, and energising. Life is so fucking short. Enjoy it, even the boring bits.0 -
DUP and UUP presently tied on seats with SF at 9 each, 8 for DUP 1 for UUP and 9 for SF and SDLP on 0 so deadlock between Unionists and Nationalists but Alliance has 2 in middleChris_A said:
As I've asked before which section do the Alliance come in? The GFA seems to be perpetuating sectarian divide rather than ending it.david_herdson said:
I don't think that's possible, is it? Doesn't the Stormont House agreement reserve the FM/DFM positions for the largest party in each of the two respective sections?HYUFD said:
If it is tied between the DUP and SF that means neither will give an inch to the other and a UUP + SDLP + Alliance deal is not impossible with Mike Nesbitt as First MinisterPulpstar said:#NIreland (33% counted)
#DUP: 27% (-2)
#SF: 27% (+3)
#UUP: 14% (+1)
#SDLP: 12%
#A: 9% (+2)
#TUV: 3% (-1)
#Green: 3%
#PbP: 1% (-1) #AE17
Apparently.0 -
I am not too worried about that . Ed Milliband did not lead on first preferences in 2010. Nor did Harman for the Deputy Leadership in 2007.david_herdson said:
The danger with that is that the 'left' candidate wins a sizable lead on the first round and despite then losing due to being transfer-adverse, gains some kind of moral victory for having 'won' on first preferences.justin124 said:
A good article and I agree with it pretty well in its entirety. Good to see somebody else debunking the myth that Corbyn increased his margin of victory in 2016!david_herdson said:
I did try to forestall that by my (genuinely-held) view that the country needs an effective opposition.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a good piece (as one would expect!), but if I were a Labour moderate wondering whether to take the disinterested advice of the Chairman of Wakefield District Conservatives, I'd be worrying about three potential downsides:david_herdson said:Kind of on topic, can anyone access this link? If so, please feel free to read and criticise. If not, please let me know. I can't open it myself (though I do know what it should say).
http://totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-labour-moderates-should-consider-second-leadership-challenge
- What happens if we try to dislodge Corbyn and fail again?
- What would the effect on the party be if we win, but only by blocking a left-wing candidate from getting on to the ballot?
- Can we get agreement on a single unifying candidate, or would we be in for yet another bruising and divisive contest?
However, to answer your questions:
1. If Labour MPs can persuade a Starmer or Benn to stand, and Corbyn then wins again, then that really is game up for 2020 and perhaps for good. That said, I don't think they would lose, for the reasons I mention. The much bigger risks are either that they don't stand at all or that they wimp out, do a deal to nominate a Corbyn-successor, and then lose to him/her.
2. It will clear out all the nutters who have paralysed Labour for the last two years. Bar the drop in income, that'd be a win-win.
3. Who knows? But it'd be a measure of Labour's maturity as to whether they could or not (as an aside, this is another good reason for challenging Corbyn directly: the threshold for nominations is higher so it lessens the likelihood of 2+ challengers being nominated.
Personally I am inclined to the view that it would be good for two or three candidates to challenge Corbyn so that if one or more were to stumble - as did Owen Smith last year - support can be easily transferred to one of the alternatives.
May I ask whether you believe the conditions already exist for a successful challenge this year - or are we talking about 2018?0 -
Kelly vs Beattie is going to be very very tight in Upper Bann.0
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1) There probably won't beTheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.
2) If there is, No will probably win again
3) I'd rather it didn't come to it, but ultimately I'd prefer to be in an England and Wales (and NI?) outside the EU than a UK within it0 -
It is a possibility.Pulpstar said:
Close to zero ?Morris_Dancer said:How do people assess Baroin's chances of replacing Fillon? Still over 30 on Betfair for the presidency.
Juppe said he would only accept the candidacy if he received the full backing of the Party and Fillon.
Fillon's chosen successor would be Baroin rather than Juppe, so some horse-trading may take place. Hope it doesn't come to pass though, even though I am 30k green on Baroin in the winners market, my potential winnings on the subsiduary markets with Juppe in place, give me better opportunities for trading.0 -
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.0 -
I'd rather be in a UK in the EU than in and England and Wales alone out of the EU, but the EventuAl victory of the Nats seemed inevitable to me.Essexit said:
1) There probably won't beTheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.
2) If there is, No will probably win again
3) I'd rather it didn't come to it, but ultimately I'd be in an England and Wales (and NI?) outside the EU than a UK within it
If voting remain would have guaranteed the continuation of the uk I'd have voted that way.0 -
Even if SF come first, which is still not likely, the SDLP came last so there is no nationalist majority. Of course the end of the Union in NI means Unionist paramilitaries returning to violence just as direct rule from Westminster previously meant IRA violence so power sharing at Stormont must continue in some formRoyalBlue said:Sinn Fein coming first will be a depressing moment in the history of Northern Ireland; that said, I don't think it presages the end of the Union. I'm pretty sure recent polls show declining Catholic enthusiasm for unification, while the Protestants are almost universally opposed.
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Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.0 -
DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall0
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Mr. Meeks, Holly ended up going computer senile.0
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The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
He's a Luddite rememberAlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.0 -
I'm not too worried about examples drawn from visions of the future that include a speaking cat.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, Holly ended up going computer senile.
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Another Faure's requiem of sorts.dr_spyn said:
President Felix Faure died from a stroke (official version) but at the hands of his mistress.SeanT said:
I'd like to die like Atilla the Hun. Or Lord Palmerston.IanB2 said:
My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
Wow. That's pretty frightening for Mr Smithson Senior, I'm glad the treatment seems to be working.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
At the start of February after a heavy cold I woke one morning to discover both my ears had been bleeding and I’d lost 80-90% of my hearing. This was profoundly shocking, isolating and very worrying. I realised I needed the NHS at a time when the pressure on it was absolutely enormous.
I haven’t been disappointed. My GP got me an appointment within 24 hours to see an ENT specialist and I only had to wait four days for the first hospital visit. The treatment seems to be working.
I share this because those of us without health insurance totally rely on the NHS for situations like this which is why it is so politically important.
Whenever I go into a hospital, I ALWAYS think: one day I will go into a hospital AND NOT COME OUT
It's a scary and sobering thought, but also quite animating, and energising. Life is so fucking short. Enjoy it, even the boring bits.0 -
Well that was fun whilst it lasted.AndreaParma_82 said:DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall
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Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
PBP 1.8 (-0.2)0 -
There may not be yet, and you severely underestimate the SNP's capacity for conjuring grievance out of thin air.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.
A Conservative win in 2020 would suffice. 'Scotland is not represented in London! The vast majority of Scottish MPs aren't in government!'0 -
It's usually a subarachnoid haemorrhage rather than cardiac collapse that delivers the coup de grace whilst in the saddle. You feel a hammer blow to the base of the posterior skull and then curtains.SeanT said:
The other day I actually did have an Atilla the Hun-esque moment. I was on the job (or just finishing off, as it were), and the old ticker was beating so fast I thought, oo-erTheScreamingEagles said:
I want to die on my 100th birthday, and I want my wife to be so upset, that she cancels her 21st birthday party as a mark of respect.SeanT said:
I'd like to die like Atilla the Hun. Or Lord Palmerston.IanB2 said:
My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
Wow. That's pretty frightening for Mr Smithson Senior, I'm glad the treatment seems to be working.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
At the start of February after a heavy cold I woke one morning to discover both my ears had been bleeding and I’d lost 80-90% of my hearing. This was profoundly shocking, isolating and very worrying. I realised I needed the NHS at a time when the pressure on it was absolutely enormous.
I haven’t been disappointed. My GP got me an appointment within 24 hours to see an ENT specialist and I only had to wait four days for the first hospital visit. The treatment seems to be working.
I share this because those of us without health insurance totally rely on the NHS for situations like this which is why it is so politically important.
Whenever I go into a hospital, I ALWAYS think: one day I will go into a hospital AND NOT COME OUT
It's a scary and sobering thought, but also quite animating, and energising. Life is so fucking short. Enjoy it, even the boring bits.0 -
The majority in Copeland was bigger.AndreaParma_82 said:DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall
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Depressing it hangs by such thin threads.SeanT said:
The Union is saved.AndreaParma_82 said:DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall
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Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
Perhaps he wants to become Mr Slant, of Discworld fame.
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Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
Nominations so far:
1155 FILLON François
464 MACRON Emmanuel
334 HAMON Benoît
314 ARTHAUD Nathalie
205 DUPONT-AIGNAN Nicolas
163 CHEMINADE Jacques
136 MELENCHON Jean-Luc
84 LE PEN Marine
70 LASSALLE Jean
60 ASSELINEAU François
36 POUTOU Philippe
105 OTHERS0 -
I think a referendum on NI rejoining the republic would be immensely close.AndreaParma_82 said:Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
PBP 1.8 (-0.2)0 -
We were told that those attacks were false flag attacks to undermine Trump.FrancisUrquhart said:Man held over US Jewish centre threats
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-391579340 -
Mr. Eagles, did you pay in cash when you were charged five times for a flight?0
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Perhaps you should ease the dose back to 50mg.SeanT said:The other day I actually did have an Atilla the Hun-esque moment. I was on the job (or just finishing off, as it were), and the old ticker was beating so fast I thought, oo-er
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Nah, we lost most of Ireland nearly a century ago.kle4 said:
Depressing it hangs by such thin threads.SeanT said:
The Union is saved.AndreaParma_82 said:DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall
All over a post office I believe.0 -
England making a right hash of the cricket.0
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I've just finished reading a fascinating book on effective communication and motivating people, called Made to Stick by Heath and Heath.
Given the sporadic debates on here that, one way or another, berate a segment of the electorate for voting against their self-interests or (worse still) being too thick to know what their self-interests are, I thought my notes from the Chapter "Emotional" might be of interest. [The text in square brackets are my additions]:
"In 1998, Donald Kinder (U Michigan) found that the effects of self-interest on political views was ‘trifling’. This was true on issues as divers as racial busing, anti-drinking ordnances, and bilingual education. Self-interest turns out to be quite unimportant.
"Self-interest does matter, quite a bit, when the effects of a public policy are significant, tangible and immediate. Self-interest shapes what we pay attention to, even if it doesn’t dictate our stance.
"But:
1. Principles – equality, individualism, ideals about government, human rights and the like – matter to us, even when they violate our immediate self-interest. [surely there is an element of long-term vs short-term interest conflict at play here, in that we consider our beliefs in say human rights as worth the immediate opportunity cost in the long-term]
2. Group interest is often a better predictor of political opinions than self-interest. Our group affiliation may be based on race, class, religion, gender, region, political party, industry or countless other dimensions of difference.
"James March, Stanford, notes that we use two basic models to make decisions.
1. The rational agent – calculating consequences, we choose the alternative that yields the most value to us
2. Identity – There are no calculations, only norms and principles. People ask themselves three questions: Who am I? What kind of situation is this? And what do people like me doe in this kind of situation? [This kind of decision-making is what is behind culture – it provides us with a guide to make decisions even when we do not have the information or knowledge to calculate as a rational agent. What would x do in this situation?]"
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For driving in GB:FrancisUrquhart said:
That seems wrong (by that I don't mean you are wrong, I mean the law is wrong).ThreeQuidder said:
After 12 months for some foreign countries but not all. Some foreign countries' licenses can be used to drive in the UK until age 70.FrancisUrquhart said:
I thought after only a few years you have to get tested in this country?ThreeQuidder said:
They come in with a DVLA-acceptable driving licence issued in a different country?FrancisUrquhart said:Question re English for Uber drivers...how do they pass the driving test, now it has a practical and written component if they don't speak English?
https://www.gov.uk/driving-nongb-licence/y/a-resident-of-great-britain/full-car-and-or-motorcycle
NI: Until expiry
EU/EEA: Until 70 (or 3 years if you move here after age 67)
Gib/IoM/Jersey/Guernsey/"Designated countries"*: 12 months, must then apply to exchange for a GB licence
All other countries: 12 months, must then pass the GB theory and practical tests.
*: Andorra, Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands, Hong Kong, Japan, Monaco, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland, Zimbabwe.0 -
It would also make IndyRef2014 look like a primary school nativity play.Pulpstar said:
I think a referendum on NI rejoining the republic would be immensely close.AndreaParma_82 said:Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
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But the Scots knew that was a possibility in 2014.CarlottaVance said:
There may not be yet, and you severely underestimate the SNP's capacity for conjuring grievance out of thin air.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.
A Conservative win in 2020 would suffice. 'Scotland is not represented in London! The vast majority of Scottish MPs aren't in government!'
They were promised the only way they'd remain in the EU/members of the single market was if they rejected independence.0 -
More on NI attitudes to reunification:
http://endgameinulster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/lucid-talk-opinion-poll.html?m=1
The union looks pretty safe on that basis. I don't think a campaign would change many minds and it would be very ugly.0 -
Wales seems to have gone weirdly kippery..TheScreamingEagles said:
Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
Ah cack just realised Beattie will pick up Dobson's transfers. No route for Kelly.0
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Wales is more pro May and Brexit than LondonTheuniondivvie said:
Wales seems to have gone weirdly kippery..TheScreamingEagles said:
Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
You mean maybe a politician getting murdered..?Essexit said:
It would also make IndyRef2014 look like a primary school nativity play.Pulpstar said:
I think a referendum on NI rejoining the republic would be immensely close.AndreaParma_82 said:Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
PBP 1.8 (-0.2)0 -
The 'Yestapo' would be more than a meme.Essexit said:
It would also make IndyRef2014 look like a primary school nativity play.Pulpstar said:
I think a referendum on NI rejoining the republic would be immensely close.AndreaParma_82 said:Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
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Wales will be part of the Kingdom of England once more.Theuniondivvie said:
Wales seems to have gone weirdly kippery..TheScreamingEagles said:
Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
Yes, you are quite correct. The SNP would have just fallen silent on the matter.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.0 -
It would still be a Principality within the Kingdomwilliamglenn said:
Wales will be part of the Kingdom of England once more.Theuniondivvie said:
Wales seems to have gone weirdly kippery..TheScreamingEagles said:
Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.0 -
Philip McGuigan (SF) @ 8/15 North Antrim £63.47
Jemma Dolan (SF) @ 15/8 Fermanagh and South Tyrone £22.85
Nichola Mallon (SDLP) @ evens Belfast North £21.58
John Stewart (UUP) @ 2/1 East Antrim £11.00
The still live bets I think0 -
Long may it continue. I just hope I and others are still up for the (non-violent) fight. The EU lost us in part because it treated the idea it needed to justify it's existence continually with utter contempt, and we need to justify too.SeanT said:
Cheer up, man.kle4 said:
Depressing it hangs by such thin threads.SeanT said:
The Union is saved.AndreaParma_82 said:DUP first party by 1,168 votes overall
30 years ago Ulster was mired in sectarian violence, and there were British troops toting machine guns on British streets, to keep the Union together, and stop our fellow Brits slaughtering each other
Now Northern Ireland has really close elections, Gerry Adams does amusing tweets, and Great Britain is still here, somehow.0 -
I always wonder about that. You close your eyes for the last time; is the machine with your memories that then wakes up really you?AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.0 -
Nearly 30% of SNP voters do not support Scottish independence.RoyalBlue said:More on NI attitudes to reunification:
http://endgameinulster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/lucid-talk-opinion-poll.html?m=1
The union looks pretty safe on that basis. I don't think a campaign would change many minds and it would be very ugly.
Nationalist parties often morph into pressure groups. See UKIP.0 -
Same with teleportation. Star trek answered it with 'no, but let's ignore the implications'.Animal_pb said:
I always wonder about that. You close your eyes for the last time; is the machine with your memories that then wakes up really you?AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.0 -
About a third of SNP voters voted Leavechestnut said:
Yes, you are quite correct. The SNP would have just fallen silent on the matter.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had we voted to Remain, then there would be no second Scottish independence referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, think you're confusing causes and effects, there.
The SNP rose to dominance long before the referendum on the EU. The Northern Irish situation is caused by domestic daftness.0 -
Did the dark lords of data really win it for Trump?
https://capx.co/did-the-dark-lords-of-data-really-win-it-for-trump/0 -
Probably more than one.Theuniondivvie said:
You mean maybe a politician getting murdered..?Essexit said:
It would also make IndyRef2014 look like a primary school nativity play.Pulpstar said:
I think a referendum on NI rejoining the republic would be immensely close.AndreaParma_82 said:Final
First preferences
DUP 28.1 (-1.1)
SF 27.9 (+3.9)
UUP 12.9 (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9 (-0.1)
Alliance 9.1 (+2.1)
TUV 2.6 (-0.9)
Greens 2.3 (-0.4)
PBP 1.8 (-0.2)0 -
It's a question that DataMeeks will no doubt ponder with his v2.0 consciousness at great length.Animal_pb said:
I always wonder about that. You close your eyes for the last time; is the machine with your memories that then wakes up really you?AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.0 -
Final first preference totals, DUP 0.2% ahead of SF ttps://mobile.twitter.com/SkyData/status/8376920661592637440
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England 141-4 in the test. A shaky start but I think we can rebuild.0
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I suppose the important thing is that the rest of humanity continues to benefit from your presence, in one shape or another.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a question that DataMeeks will no doubt ponder with his v2.0 consciousness at great length.Animal_pb said:
I always wonder about that. You close your eyes for the last time; is the machine with your memories that then wakes up really you?AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.
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Just need to bat for next day and a half....oh wait...Pulpstar said:England 141-4 in the test. A shaky start but I think we can rebuild.
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My guess is that they're probably already just about in place but it'd be far better tactically to wait until next year (although of course, the more that the evidence becomes incontrovertible, the more damage is done).justin124 said:
I am not too worried about that. Ed Milliband did not lead on first preferences in 2010. Nor did Harman for the Deputy Leadership in 2007.david_herdson said:
The danger with that is that the 'left' candidate wins a sizable lead on the first round and despite then losing due to being transfer-adverse, gains some kind of moral victory for having 'won' on first preferences.justin124 said:
A good article and I agree with it pretty well in its entirety. Good to see somebody else debunking the myth that Corbyn increased his margin of victory in 2016!david_herdson said:
I did try to forestall that by my (genuinely-held) view that the country needs an effective opposition.Richard_Nabavi said:It's a good piece (as one would expect!), but if I were a Labour moderate wondering whether to take the disinterested advice of the Chairman of Wakefield District Conservatives, I'd be worrying about three potential downsides:
- What happens if we try to dislodge Corbyn and fail again?
- What would the effect on the party be if we win, but only by blocking a left-wing candidate from getting on to the ballot?
- Can we get agreement on a single unifying candidate, or would we be in for yet another bruising and divisive contest?
However, to answer your questions:
1. If Labour MPs can persuade a Starmer or Benn to stand, and Corbyn then wins again, then that really is game up for 2020 and perhaps for good. That said, I don't think they would lose, for the reasons I mention. The much bigger risks are either that they don't stand at all or that they wimp out, do a deal to nominate a Corbyn-successor, and then lose to him/her.
2. It will clear out all the nutters who have paralysed Labour for the last two years. Bar the drop in income, that'd be a win-win.
3. Who knows? But it'd be a measure of Labour's maturity as to whether they could or not (as an aside, this is another good reason for challenging Corbyn directly: the threshold for nominations is higher so it lessens the likelihood of 2+ challengers being nominated.
Personally I am inclined to the view that it would be good for two or three candidates to challenge Corbyn so that if one or more were to stumble - as did Owen Smith last year - support can be easily transferred to one of the alternatives.
May I ask whether you believe the conditions already exist for a successful challenge this year - or are we talking about 2018?0 -
I'm sure that pb will look forward to the fifteenth rerun of the Brexit referendum in 2154.Animal_pb said:
I suppose the important thing is that the rest of humanity continues to benefit from your presence, in one shape or another.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a question that DataMeeks will no doubt ponder with his v2.0 consciousness at great length.Animal_pb said:
I always wonder about that. You close your eyes for the last time; is the machine with your memories that then wakes up really you?AlastairMeeks said:
Mr Dancer and you take a very gloomy view of the possibilities.Animal_pb said:
Really? Even when the physical and mental infirmity of old age wraps round you, almost as tight as the shroud? When every day makes you more of a shadow of the man you used to be?AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Immortality without vigour does not seem like much of a prize.
I prefer to imagine myself being downloaded into a computer aged 80 or so.
For the record, I'm currently on the fence about that one.0 -
One of my fav quotes on death comes from... Scooby Doo!!AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Cant remember the exact situation, but there were three old men in a room and a bomb was heading for the building I think...
"I'm too young to die"
"I'm too old to die!"
"I'm too scared to die!!"0 -
14 UKIP -> Sinn Fein transfers in East Antrim.
Where do they want Northern Ireland to be, politically speaking.
United Ireland outside the EU
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Singapore, is wealthy and successful, because it has adopted a very free economy, the total tax take is only 20% of GDP, it has almost no import tariffs, the interest rate is set by the market, not civil servants.HYUFD said:
Singapore is basically the equivalent of central London, if you include Malaysia too (which Singapore used to be part of) you get the equivalent of the UK and a rather different storyBigRich said:
And, I'm with you!Philip_Thompson said:
Do I want to create a confident, successful, wealthy nation for 60 million?williamglenn said:
You want to create a Singapore for 60 million then?Fishing said:
Eh? Fruit-picking is exactly the kind of low wage, low productivity industry kept alive by cheap immigrant labour that this country should no longer be in. It manages a dismal trifecta, using land, labour and capital inefficiently.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile, the fruit rots.
Yes. Don't you?
Singapore is 94% more wealthy per person than the UK, better education, better healthcare, and taxis only half the level in the UK, I would copy there economic position in a jot!!!
It is also about the size of London, in area and population, ish, but when you look at how fast the economy has grown and continues to grow, it is clearly more than just being a city state.0 -
"Ourselves alone" sums up both parties.Pulpstar said:14 UKIP -> Sinn Fein transfers in East Antrim.
Where do they want Northern Ireland to be, politically speaking.
United Ireland outside the EU ?0 -
The Kersal (Salford) result is a shocker, -21.5 drop for Labour will have LHQ freaking out.0
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Pessimism is good insurance against disappointmentSeanT said:
Hmm. Looks a bit iffy, that poll. From a blog called "endgameinulster"?RoyalBlue said:More on NI attitudes to reunification:
http://endgameinulster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/lucid-talk-opinion-poll.html?m=1
The union looks pretty safe on that basis. I don't think a campaign would change many minds and it would be very ugly.
Some polls are much more pro-Union than that:
"If such a poll is held, a clear majority of people, 63%, say they will vote for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK, while only 22% would support a United Ireland."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37309706
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Cake or death?isam said:
One of my fav quotes on death comes from... Scooby Doo!!AlastairMeeks said:Having considered the matter carefully, I would prefer not to die.
Cant remember the exact situation, but there were three old men in a room and a bomb was heading for the building I think...
"I'm too young to die"
"I'm too old to die!"
"I'm too scared to die!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVjKlBCvhg0 -
Alliance transfers coming up in East Antrim.
No SDLP, so should benefit Sinn Fein (and UUP very) slightly.
They'll be lowish in number though as I think most will go to the other Alliance candidate.0 -
Sinn Fein have a chance of being largest party I think.0
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The ward is 40% Jewish, the fifth highest in the country, and the highest outside the London Borough of Barnet:SimonStClare said:The Kersal (Salford) result is a shocker, -21.5 drop for Labour will have LHQ freaking out.
http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/2011 Census results - Initial insights into Jewish neighbourhoods.pdf0 -
Is Fillon's rally on Sunday?0
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According to last census, only 72% of the people living in Wales were actually born in Wales.HYUFD said:
It would still be a Principality within the Kingdomwilliamglenn said:
Wales will be part of the Kingdom of England once more.Theuniondivvie said:
Wales seems to have gone weirdly kippery..TheScreamingEagles said:
Shame on you for forgetting Plaid Cymru!Theuniondivvie said:
The English Democrats' moment has surely arrived.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit really has shaken the kaleidoscope of politics in four parts of the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Golly, surely that would be a big symbolic moment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Has there been any analysis of the NI election through the Brexit lens? I'm guessing it must have had some effect.
Just think if it were to happen, two secessionist parties would have the most seats in 2 out of the 3 devolved parliaments/assemblies.
As a lot of children will be born in Wales but have non-welsh parents, I imagine the % of voters born in Wales will be closer to 2/3.
Hard to see a Welsh Independence campaign taking off given those nos.
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Would May impose direct rule immediately following such a big symbolic moment?Pulpstar said:Sinn Fein have a chance of being largest party I think.
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I want to die sometime in my late 80s or early 90s, a late summer's day somewhere in the north of England, dozing off gently after a hearty lunch,an inconsequential end-of-rubber test match ambling towards a happy conclusion on the radio, the chatter children and grandchildren from elsewhere in the building, maybe the shout of the odd great-grandchild...TheScreamingEagles said:
I want to die on my 100th birthday, and I want my wife to be so upset, that she cancels her 21st birthday party as a mark of respect.SeanT said:
I'd like to die like Atilla the Hun. Or Lord Palmerston.IanB2 said:
My bet is on your not dying in hospitalSeanT said:
.TheScreamingEagles said:
Check out the last thread header, this is what Mike wroteSeanT said:
Did I miss something, is OGH poorly as well?Tykejohnno said:Get well soon Mr Smithson.
Sympathies. It's like a Casualty ward in here, today.
For the third Friday in a row I’m off to hospital this morning after being one of those who’ve added to this winter’s unprecedented demand on the NHS.
Alright, I wouldn't wish the discovery of their dead father on my children. But as a way to round off a life, it seems pretty unbeatable.0
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