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"Brexitards" managed to slip through the outrage filter of the very people who go crazy over "leftards"Essexit said:
Don't forget 'carrot crunchers'. I think that was another one anyway, it's hard to keep up.CarlottaVance said:
loony Leaver callous cretinsScott_P said:
Yes, why did the "winners" need to come up with names for those who have not drunk the Brexit Kool-Aid?CarlottaVance said:If they'd won, why would they be calling names?
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SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:
I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).SeanT said:
So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their previously ultra-safe, ultra-liberal country are being turned into dangerous American suburbs (even without US gun laws), by the idiotic mass importation of immigrants.Roger said:
If you've even been no further than Coconut Grove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.
Trump was right.
Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".0 -
Did someone mention a donkey??;)TheScreamingEagles said:Allah bless Fillon and the French
Today has been epic on a betting front.
Though it was like pining a tail on a donkey at times.0 -
Who has been "delighted" about deporting her? The most I've seen is an expression of regret that it got this far but understanding that UKBA probably had no choice.SeanT said:
Just shut up now. Everything you say is embarrassingly stupid.AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.0 -
I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.0
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Did someone mention a donkey??TheScreamingEagles said:Allah bless Fillon and the French
Today has been epic on a betting front.
Though it was like pining a tail on a donkey at times.
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Depending on his condition, it might be medically inadvisable to fly him to the other side of the world, perhaps?CarlottaVance said:
Name callers generally have lost the argument.AlsoIndigo said:
Anyone remember that post a month or two ago about not calling each other names ?AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
If they'd won, why would they be calling names?
Mrs Clelland 'who has no family in Singapore' is staying with one of her two sisters. As she's younger & fitter than her husband, why doesn't he join her there?0 -
Playing the man and not the ball is a sign of not being able to play the ballBojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan". 0 -
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IIWIPIYWNBATUMAlsoIndigo said:
Playing the man and not the ball is a sign of not being able to play the ballBojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
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He was hoping for a trip to one of Trump's extreme vets.OldKingCole said:I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.
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What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
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Likewilliamglenn said:
He was hoping for a trip to one of Trump's extreme vets.OldKingCole said:I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.
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Very goodwilliamglenn said:
He was hoping for a trip to one of Trump's extreme vets.OldKingCole said:I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.
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12 Ruling nationalist‘s way to encourage progress (8)RobD said:What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!
14 Carmen is close to perfect for discriminating fellow (6)
See my 2:48 for parsing.0 -
Is that a promise?SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:
I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).SeanT said:
So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their previously ultra-safe, ultra-liberal country are being turned into dangerous American suburbs (even without US gun laws), by the idiotic mass importation of immigrants.Roger said:
If you've even been no further than Coconut Grove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.
Trump was right.
Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".0 -
According to the papers (at least the sympathetic ones) he’s not very well at all. If she doesn’t get back he’ll need carers, always assuming there are any, which does suggest that airlines might be disinclined to accept him as a passenger without special arrangements.ThreeQuidder said:
Depending on his condition, it might be medically inadvisable to fly him to the other side of the world, perhaps?CarlottaVance said:
Name callers generally have lost the argument.AlsoIndigo said:
Anyone remember that post a month or two ago about not calling each other names ?AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
If they'd won, why would they be calling names?
Mrs Clelland 'who has no family in Singapore' is staying with one of her two sisters. As she's younger & fitter than her husband, why doesn't he join her there?0 -
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.0 -
Big issue with rodents on planes - they have a tendency to chew through rather vital cables that make the wheels go up and down, that sort of thing. The plane will have to be taken out of service to go for extreme fumigating. (I only know this because it was a reason my flight was once cancelled!)OldKingCole said:I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.
EDIT: Not wanting to take away from your rather good gag by having reality intrude!0 -
Oh, I'm an idiot and didn't see 14 across.RobD said:
What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/836946407202385920
It really is unbelievable how delicate some people are.0 -
The Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 restricts the right of appeal for refusal of entry clearance in cases where the subject intends to enter the country as a dependent, a visitor or a student. This leaves the only grounds for appeal open to human rights and race discrimination reasons. Appeals launched within the UK can be for asylum cases only.ThreeQuidder said:
Who has been "delighted" about deporting her? The most I've seen is an expression of regret that it got this far but understanding that UKBA probably had no choice.SeanT said:
Just shut up now. Everything you say is embarrassingly stupid.AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
No discretion at all in this case.0 -
Fish causes problems for nuts ogre (8)RobD said:
What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/8369464072023859200 -
No worries, Mr M. Mice are damn nuisance with cables. We came home from holiday once and couldn’t understand where all the bluebottles had come from. Then we tried to turn on the radio and it didn’t work. We investigated and found a somewhat dead mouse, with it’s teeth in the power cable.MarqueeMark said:
Big issue with rodents on planes - they have a tendency to chew through rather vital cables that make the wheels go up and down, that sort of thing. The plane will have to be taken out of service to go for extreme fumigating. (I only know this because it was a reason my flight was once cancelled!)OldKingCole said:I haven’t seen this anywhere, but 'British Airways Heathrow flight cancelled over mouse on plane’ according to the BBC. The flight was going to San Francisco, so I presume it was a Muslim mouse.
EDIT: Not wanting to take away from your rather good gag by having reality intrude!0 -
It’s the refusal of the right to stay here in the first place that’s the problem, isn’t it?AlsoIndigo said:
The Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 restricts the right of appeal for refusal of entry clearance in cases where the subject intends to enter the country as a dependent, a visitor or a student. This leaves the only grounds for appeal open to human rights and race discrimination reasons. Appeals launched within the UK can be for asylum cases only.ThreeQuidder said:
Who has been "delighted" about deporting her? The most I've seen is an expression of regret that it got this far but understanding that UKBA probably had no choice.SeanT said:
Just shut up now. Everything you say is embarrassingly stupid.AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
No discretion at all in this case.0 -
Farage says Carswell has 'never really let the hate flow through him'
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/farage-says-carswell-has-never-really-let-the-hate-flow-through-him-20170301123099
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Too much star gazing.RobD said:
What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/836946407202385920
Try reading across the row...0 -
Isn't this how Trump operates? He says something a bit over the top/outlandish to get the media spinning in overdrive to say how he is wrong, only to have the gist of the story confirmed.SeanT said:
Maybe, but what's interesting is that Tim Pool was a liberal skeptic who has changed his mind. And now sees problems.Stark_Dawning said:
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.
This is also a pattern repeated across Europe, of course.0 -
I thought it was going to be a clever cryptic clue to do with racism. How I overestimated the intelligence of the Nats on Twitter.Charles said:
Too much star gazing.RobD said:
What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/836946407202385920
Try reading across the row... 0 -
And presumably, Singapore will welcome a very sick man with a limited connection to the country (apart from a spouse who has lived there for many years and has citizenship) with open arms?OldKingCole said:
According to the papers (at least the sympathetic ones) he’s not very well at all. If she doesn’t get back he’ll need carers, always assuming there are any, which does suggest that airlines might be disinclined to accept him as a passenger without special arrangements.ThreeQuidder said:
Depending on his condition, it might be medically inadvisable to fly him to the other side of the world, perhaps?CarlottaVance said:
Name callers generally have lost the argument.AlsoIndigo said:
Anyone remember that post a month or two ago about not calling each other names ?AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
If they'd won, why would they be calling names?
Mrs Clelland 'who has no family in Singapore' is staying with one of her two sisters. As she's younger & fitter than her husband, why doesn't he join her there?0 -
For a moment there, Poe's law applied.TheScreamingEagles said:Farage says Carswell has 'never really let the hate flow through him'
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/farage-says-carswell-has-never-really-let-the-hate-flow-through-him-20170301123099
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That explains his love of democracy (will of the people etc)TheScreamingEagles said:Farage says Carswell has 'never really let the hate flow through him'
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/farage-says-carswell-has-never-really-let-the-hate-flow-through-him-20170301123099
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The ECO has a detailed rule book which give discretion in some areas, but none whatsoever in many areas, such as those covered explicitly by law or treaty. If you want to challenge any of the later you need to go to judicial review, after you have appealed through the first and second tier Immigration Appeals Tribunals (who adjudicate on matters of law and wont challenge findings of fact by the ECO) and having spent about 25k. The prohibition on granting a visa to someone with a record of being in the country unlawfully is I believe absolute, also apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain, and then not Remaining, or seeking a waiver from the Home Office is likely to be fatal as well. In this case she will never have got to appeal in the first place because of the IANA(2006) as mentioned earlier.OldKingCole said:
It’s the refusal of the right to stay here in the first place that’s the problem, isn’t it?AlsoIndigo said:
The Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 restricts the right of appeal for refusal of entry clearance in cases where the subject intends to enter the country as a dependent, a visitor or a student. This leaves the only grounds for appeal open to human rights and race discrimination reasons. Appeals launched within the UK can be for asylum cases only.ThreeQuidder said:
Who has been "delighted" about deporting her? The most I've seen is an expression of regret that it got this far but understanding that UKBA probably had no choice.SeanT said:
Just shut up now. Everything you say is embarrassingly stupid.AlastairMeeks said:
If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.Mortimer said:
Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.
Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?
The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.
No discretion at all in this case.0 -
F1: suggestions the "How long since Maldonado crashed" website might be relaunched for Stroll.0
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Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.RobD said:
Isn't this how Trump operates? He says something a bit over the top/outlandish to get the media spinning in overdrive to say how he is wrong, only to have the gist of the story confirmed.SeanT said:
Maybe, but what's interesting is that Tim Pool was a liberal skeptic who has changed his mind. And now sees problems.Stark_Dawning said:
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.
This is also a pattern repeated across Europe, of course.0 -
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
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Commenting on the Singaporean lady’s case.
Hard cases make bad law, don’t they. Problem with this and indeed some benefit cases is that the ‘victim’ makes decisions based on their needs at the time, assuming that what appears to them, in their circumstances to be logical and sensible, will also be lawful. I don’t know, but I would not be surprised if someone on here knows, whether if she had returned before 2006 all would have been well.0 -
For those interested in post0Brexit direction of EU:
http://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/junckers-real-scenario-is-multi-speed-europe/
Euractiv isn't perfect in English but is usually a good source on EU issues.0 -
Or the document (5.8MB):NickPalmer said:For those interested in post0Brexit direction of EU:
http://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/junckers-real-scenario-is-multi-speed-europe/
Euractiv isn't perfect in English but is usually a good source on EU issues.
https://europa.eu/european-union/sites/europaeu/files/whitepaper_en.pdf0 -
You can tell the difference from the US KKK by the hats.SeanT said:The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
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I am not a lawyer and can only see what you can, but I suspect if she had applied to the Home Office for a waiver before going to Singapore the first time as the paperwork that comes with your ILR tells you to, there would not have been a problem. Since she didn't the next thing to do would have been to contact the embassy in singapore and apply for a new visa, which under the circumstances would probably have been granted. She could even have applied for British Citizenship remotely from Singapore, it would not have affected her ability to stay in Singapore because she was born there and gets right of residency. Travelling to the UK either without a visa, or overstaying a tourist visa is probably want wrecked her case.OldKingCole said:Commenting on the Singaporean lady’s case.
Hard cases make bad law, don’t they. Problem with this and indeed some benefit cases is that the ‘victim’ makes decisions based on their needs at the time, assuming that what appears to them, in their circumstances to be logical and sensible, will also be lawful. I don’t know, but I would not be surprised if someone on here knows, whether if she had returned before 2006 all would have been well.
As an aside its worth mentioning that increasing amounts of UK law treat you as a separated couple because of the fact of you being separate, rather than because of any decision you have made, because lots of people don't apply for legal separation, they just stop living with each other.0 -
The Huff Post do the first bit, but the media lap it up and they're wrong!RobD said:
Isn't this how Trump operates? He says something a bit over the top/outlandish to get the media spinning in overdrive to say how he is wrong, only to have the gist of the story confirmed.SeanT said:
Maybe, but what's interesting is that Tim Pool was a liberal skeptic who has changed his mind. And now sees problems.Stark_Dawning said:
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.
This is also a pattern repeated across Europe, of course.0 -
Sweden does have thriving neo-Nazi scene though. The old British skinhead band Skrewdriver wrote a song in their honour:glw said:
You can tell the difference from the US KKK by the hats.SeanT said:The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuhdXoUeTk40 -
Seems reasonable, legally, although I hope no-one reads this as being unsympathetic. I do some travelling to Thailand, staying there fore varying lengths of time, as does a member of my family. We are very, very careful to keep abreast of, and comply with, the regulations, since as you say, ‘crossing’ the authorities is an extremely risky activity! Significantly overstaying a tourist visa is a major no-no!AlsoIndigo said:
I am not a lawyer and can only see what you can, but I suspect if she had applied to the Home Office for a waiver before going to Singapore the first time as the paperwork that comes with your ILR tells you to, there would not have been a problem. Since she didn't the next thing to do would have been to contact the embassy in singapore and apply for a new visa, which under the circumstances would probably have been granted. She could even have applied for British Citizenship remotely from Singapore, it would not have affected her ability to stay in Singapore because she was born there and gets right of residency. Travelling to the UK either without a visa, or overstaying a tourist visa is probably want wrecked her case.OldKingCole said:Commenting on the Singaporean lady’s case.
Hard cases make bad law, don’t they. Problem with this and indeed some benefit cases is that the ‘victim’ makes decisions based on their needs at the time, assuming that what appears to them, in their circumstances to be logical and sensible, will also be lawful. I don’t know, but I would not be surprised if someone on here knows, whether if she had returned before 2006 all would have been well.
As an aside its worth mentioning that increasing amounts of UK law treat you as a separated couple because of the fact of you being separate, rather than because of any decision you have made, because lots of people don't apply for legal separation, they just stop living with each other.0 -
Winner.glw said:
You can tell the difference from the US KKK by the hats.SeanT said:The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".0 -
To be fair this is a case where I think it probably was done deliberately!RobD said:
I thought it was going to be a clever cryptic clue to do with racism. How I overestimated the intelligence of the Nats on Twitter.Charles said:
Too much star gazing.RobD said:
What was the clue? Can't see it on the twitter images, but that may be me not knowing how to use the bloody thing!TheScreamingEagles said:It's just like D-Day
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/836946407202385920
Try reading across the row...0 -
The article about his son in law and the data operation behind the Trump campaign suggests that he is sharp as a razor as well.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/0 -
Agreed. It's a mistake to think that Trump is merely a conduit for such people though. Trump's views have been remarkably consistent, whereas his political confidants have not. He's clearly the one pulling the strings, and will hire and fire the people he thinks he needs.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon0 -
SJW and alt-right and snowflake, for me they are terms that could be useful in identifying precise types of persons, but what ends up happening is people end up applying them too liberally, applying it to near anyone they don't like, to the point it becomes nothing more than partisan labelling. It's a shame, because I think plenty of lefty liberals would like to mock SJW types, sensible right wingers to mock alt-righters, and both sides to mock their more precious and sensitive fellow travellers of the snowflake variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:
So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their p.Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.
Trump was right.
Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
Back on issues of the day, I see Owen Jones has gotten around to his latest Corbyn piece, which seems to boil down to the general thesis so many have long though the case - even if Corbyn is a decent man with the right policies and even if many of the parties problems predate him, he is not fixing them and is in fact making them worse under his leadership.0 -
I completely agree. What I mean is his strategy could well be to be the lightning rod that draws attention from the people he has doing the real work behind the scenes. All the time people are ranting about Trump they are not asking what Pence, Kushner and Bannon are up to.williamglenn said:
Agreed. It's a mistake to think that Trump is merely a conduit for such people though. Trump's views have been remarkably consistent, whereas his political confidants have not. He's clearly the one pulling the strings, and will hire and fire the people he thinks he needs.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon0 -
I've had lefties on my Facebook timeline ranting about "President Bannon"...!AlsoIndigo said:
I completely agree. What I mean is his strategy could well be to be the lightning rod that draws attention from the people he has doing the real work behind the scenes. All the time people are ranting about Trump they are not asking what Pence, Kushner and Bannon are up to.williamglenn said:
Agreed. It's a mistake to think that Trump is merely a conduit for such people though. Trump's views have been remarkably consistent, whereas his political confidants have not. He's clearly the one pulling the strings, and will hire and fire the people he thinks he needs.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon0 -
Quite. Trump is far, far from stupid. Shallow, perhaps.AlsoIndigo said:
I completely agree. What I mean is his strategy could well be to be the lightning rod that draws attention from the people he has doing the real work behind the scenes. All the time people are ranting about Trump they are not asking what Pence, Kushner and Bannon are up to.williamglenn said:
Agreed. It's a mistake to think that Trump is merely a conduit for such people though. Trump's views have been remarkably consistent, whereas his political confidants have not. He's clearly the one pulling the strings, and will hire and fire the people he thinks he needs.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
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Richard Burgon showing why I backed him at 100/1 as next Labour leader.
https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/8369201959648788490 -
Hmm. Lean, flexible, data-driven operation pulls off surprise victory despite glaring disadvantages vs. Establishment campaign. I normally eschew the comparisons with Trump, but we've seen that on this side of the Atlantic too.AlsoIndigo said:
The article about his son in law and the data operation behind the Trump campaign suggests that he is sharp as a razor as well.SeanT said:
I suspect Bannon is very smart. Very humble working class background, yet ended up at Harvard Biz School.AlsoIndigo said:
Its pretty doubtful that he is. However that is in some ways to his advantage because his opponents continue to underestimate him, or more precisely, fail to notice the collection of dangerously astute and effective people standing in the shadows behind him.DecrepitJohnL said:Opinions differ as to whether Trump is a strategic genius or just has not clearly understood the situation because he's just caught a soundbite off Fox News. The effect is the same.
Also been a successful soldier, banker, and moviemaker, then political journalist and now presidential advisor.
Quite an incredible life story, really, whatever you think of his politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/0 -
It's very alarming watching the Lords debate. They seem terrifyingly naive about how negotiations work - you don't give anything away without a concession.
Lord Hailsham raised Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians! Sensationalist, irrelevant and utterly irresponsible.0 -
In Mrs Clennell's case she was in Singapore from 2005 - 2013 while husband and family were in County Durham. She exhausted her immigration appeals in 2005.AlsoIndigo said:
As an aside its worth mentioning that increasing amounts of UK law treat you as a separated couple because of the fact of you being separate, rather than because of any decision you have made, because lots of people don't apply for legal separation, they just stop living with each other.OldKingCole said:Commenting on the Singaporean lady’s case.
Hard cases make bad law, don’t they. Problem with this and indeed some benefit cases is that the ‘victim’ makes decisions based on their needs at the time, assuming that what appears to them, in their circumstances to be logical and sensible, will also be lawful. I don’t know, but I would not be surprised if someone on here knows, whether if she had returned before 2006 all would have been well.0 -
Mr. Blue, it does sound, from your report, demented.
Akin to Blair throwing away the rebate. Or the PLP backing Corbyn to broaden the debate.0 -
"The thing that they have in the US is starting to come to Europe now, that whole gangster thing, with the music and everything.”Stark_Dawning said:
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.
Lol. I don't think Americans should be talking about violent crime in any other country until they sort out the problem of African American crime. 13% of population commit 53% of murders.0 -
Re the use of terms like SJW, Snowflake, etc I agree with kle4. They are over used by those that want to attack the views of others so lose all meaning now. Remoaner is another. I came in half way through an interview on the Today programme about the NI elections. An interviewee used it completely unnecessarily. It then changes the context of what he says subsequently because of emotive language. It is inevitable that whatever he says next is percieved as biased by both Remainers and Brexiters. Lie Dims is another. It is just an insult. Whereas Lie Dems in context of a dodgy bar chart might have been clever once.kle4 said:
SJW and alt-right and snowflake, for me they are terms that could be useful in identifying precise types of persons, but what ends up happening is people end up applying them too liberally, applying it to near anyone they don't like, to the point it becomes nothing more than partisan labelling. It's a shame, because I think plenty of lefty liberals would like to mock SJW types, sensible right wingers to mock alt-righters, and both sides to mock their more precious and sensitive fellow travellers of the snowflake variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".0 -
Surely that is a class thing as much as race though? Are African Americans over represented in the murders committed by Middle and Upper Class Americans?SeanT said:
I once read (quite a while ago) that if you take murders by African Americans out of the stats, America has a pretty average murder rate for a western country.nunu said:
"The thing that they have in the US is starting to come to Europe now, that whole gangster thing, with the music and everything.”Stark_Dawning said:
In fairness, that Rinkeby place does appear to have become the centre of a media circus in recent days:SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/rinkeby-stockholm-riot-lower-crime-rate-than-uk
Who knows, the local scalawags might be roaming the streets looking to intimidate anyone carrying an expensive camera, just for sh*ts and giggles.
Lol. I don't think Americans should be talking about violent crime in any other country until they sort out the problem of African American crime. 13% of population commit 53% of murders.
It seems to me the same kind of stat that shows how under represented ethnic minorities in the UK are in senior jobs/MPs, when it is actually that working class people are under represented, and ethnic minorities tend to be working class0 -
Lord Ashcroft:
Last week, thousands of people took to the streets of London and other British cities in opposition to President Trump’s planned state visit to the UK. The weekend was rounded off with a predictable burst of celebrity sniping against Trump at the Oscars. No doubt this made everyone concerned feel better. But there are perhaps two things above all that reassure Trump voters that they made the right decision in November: squealing Hollywood liberals and noisy protesters – especially abroad.
This ought to be obvious to anyone who knows anything about voters of any kind, let alone American ones, but if not, my research last month confirmed it. “I’m tired of hearing what Hollywood has to say and what we should be thinking,” a Trump voter told us in Macomb County, Michigan – one of the places that switched from Obama in 2012. “I look at them as the carnival folk. They have their sheltered little lives in Hollywood where they live in gated communities, they really don’t live in the real world… And that’s another reason I liked Trump – he just tore Hollywood a new one.”
As for the placard-wavers, “they’re going to stomp their feet no matter what he does. He could hand them a thousand dollars and they’d still find something to bitch about.” This went double for London, Paris and other foreign capitals...
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/03/protesting-state-visit-britain-no-favours-trump-no-harm/0 -
I agree the expulsion of the East African Asians was sensationalist, irrelevant (to solving Uganda's problems) and utterly irresponsible.RoyalBlue said:It's very alarming watching the Lords debate. They seem terrifyingly naive about how negotiations work - you don't give anything away without a concession.
Lord Hailsham raised Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians! Sensationalist, irrelevant and utterly irresponsible.
Douglas Hailsham is very close to John Major, and went utterly native in the foreign office.0 -
There have been just 8 homicides this year in London so far. That's an incredibly low number for a city of 8.6 million people.
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/Investigate.asp0 -
Indeed, all this puerile language reminds me of the golden era of Tony Bliar, George Osbrowne, David Chameleon and Harriet Harperson. The all-time greatest was perhaps Nigel Shamarge. A classic of the genre.kjh said:
[SNIP] It is just an insult. Whereas Lie Dems in context of a dodgy bar chart might have been clever once.kle4 said:
SJW and alt-right and snowflake, for me they are terms that could be useful in identifying precise types of persons, but what ends up happening is people end up applying them too liberally, applying it to near anyone they don't like, to the point it becomes nothing more than partisan labelling. It's a shame, because I think plenty of lefty liberals would like to mock SJW types, sensible right wingers to mock alt-righters, and both sides to mock their more precious and sensitive fellow travellers of the snowflake variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were "masked white Swedish fascists" trying to make things look bad for the Swedish Left, and for immigrants.AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Really. That's their first meme. The deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".0 -
And it looks like the American equivalents haven't learned either - Ashcroft:SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay.kjh said:
Re the use of terms like SJW, Snowflake, etc I agree with kle4. They are over used by those that want to attack the views of others so lose all meaning now. Remoaner is another. I came in half way through an interview on the Today programme about the NI elections. An interviewee used it completely unnecessarily. It then changes the context of what he says subsequently because of emotive language. It is inevitable that whatever he says next is percieved as biased by both Remainers and Brexiters. Lie Dims is another. It is just an insult. Whereas Lie Dems in context of a dodgy bar chart might have been clever once.kle4 said:
SJW ae variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The fhe deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
Donald Trump was democratically elected and represents the choice of the American people – a choice....they made with their eyes open. .... But as in any other election, this was a choice between imperfect alternatives. Trump voters were not driven by misogyny, racism or ignorance (accusations which, again, only confirm that the left both misunderstands and looks down on them, fortifying their support for the President).0 -
F1: reliability failure for Vettel's Ferrari but he's done 139 laps today. So, not bad.
Mercedes still looks bulletproof. Good number of laps by Sauber. Solid day for McLaren. Stroll's insurance premiums are on the rise.0 -
It will be a sad day in the circus when the language of the political schoolyard ends up in the OED. Still the OED is not what it was. I prefer Chambers.Charles said:
I agree the expulsion of the East African Asians was sensationalist, irrelevant (to solving Uganda's problems) and utterly irresponsible.RoyalBlue said:It's very alarming watching the Lords debate. They seem terrifyingly naive about how negotiations work - you don't give anything away without a concession.
Lord Hailsham raised Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians! Sensationalist, irrelevant and utterly irresponsible.
Douglas Hailsham is very close to John Major, and went utterly native in the foreign office.0 -
O/T Thanks mods for removing the spammer/phisher0
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Oh it too is a word that has a justifiable precise definition. Like brexitard, although that is far less common. But still it is overused, for instance on the sensible remainers who have concerns but are not actually seeking to overturn Brexit.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionarykjh said:
Re the use of terms like SJW, Snowflake, etc I agree with kle4. They are over used by thoseIt then changes the context of what he says subsequently because of emotive language. It is inevitable that whatever he says next is percieved as biased by both Remainers and Brexiters. Lie Dims is another. It is just an insult. Whereas Lie Dems in context of a dodgy bar chart might have been clever once.kle4 said:
SJW ae variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The fhe deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/0 -
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On the BBC website, they were saying earlier that Labour and the Liberals think 230 of their number will support their amendment and two-thirds of those crossbenchers that vote.
That doesn't sound like an overwhelming defeat for the government.
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Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
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On the face of it his disintegration looks like good news for Macron, who would appear at this early stage to be a good bet for round two, but I'm cautious. I have certainly not ruled out a Le Pen victory, given what has gone before.SeanT said:Is Fillon falling..?
https://twitter.com/libe/status/836978280196603904
https://twitter.com/libe/status/836985210390577152
Soon he'll have no backers at all.0 -
Mr. T/Mr. Bojabob, will Fillon step down or simply keep on going down, fighting hopelessly?
Edited extra bit: not dipping my toe in again, but Juppe/Baroin are 20/46 on Betfair, if you fancy it.0 -
I was slightly bemused to see that Williams is being sponsored by JCB. Perhaps Stroll's been taking this a little too literally, and has been seeing how good his car is at digging holes?Morris_Dancer said:F1: reliability failure for Vettel's Ferrari but he's done 139 laps today. So, not bad.
Mercedes still looks bulletproof. Good number of laps by Sauber. Solid day for McLaren. Stroll's insurance premiums are on the rise.0 -
Catherine Vautrin, vice-president of Les Républicans in the l'Assemblée, also wants him to stand down.SeanT said:Is Fillon falling..?
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Soon he'll have no backers at all.0 -
It's a very good question. I am not close enough to French politics to suggest an answer. Perhaps some wiser posters might cast their view?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Bojabob, will Fillon step down or simply keep on going down, fighting hopelessly?
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Mr. Jessop, it's an interesting sponsorship.
Stroll's had three offs in two days. That's a little iffy.0 -
isam said:
This is a very good point. But many other groups who are just as poor such as Hispanics don't commit that much crime.SeanT said:
Surely that is a class thing as much as race though? Are African Americans over represented in the murders committed by Middle and Upper Class Americans?nunu said:
I once read (quite a while ago) that if you take murders by African Americans out of the stats, America has a pretty average murder rate for a western country.Stark_Dawning said:
"The thing that they have in the US is starting to come to Europe now, that whole gangster thing, with the music and everything.”SeanT said:
The first SJW counter-narrative I've seen is that the men threatening him in this migrant area were les.AlsoIndigo said:
.SeanT said:
Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.Dixie said:
Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.rcs1000 said:I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209
Lol. I don't think Americans should be talking about violent crime in any other country until they sort out the problem of African American crime. 13% of population commit 53% of murders.
It seems to me the same kind of stat that shows how under represented ethnic minorities in the UK are in senior jobs/MPs, when it is actually that working class people are under represented, and ethnic minorities tend to be working class
Maybe we should compare poor native born whites to poor native born blacks in America. Do they committee same number of violent crimes per capita? (I get that living in a urban vs. rural area as well as other factors make a comparison harder not least since blacks only got equal rights one or two generation ago).0 -
The purpose of the OED (or any good dictionary) is to record language as it is used, not, like the Academie Francais who opine on how language should be used (with very limited success - le jumbo jet well outlived 'le gros porteur')Bojabob said:
It will be a sad day in the circus when the language of the political schoolyard ends up in the OED.Charles said:
I agree the expulsion of the East African Asians was sensationalist, irrelevant (to solving Uganda's problems) and utterly irresponsible.RoyalBlue said:It's very alarming watching the Lords debate. They seem terrifyingly naive about how negotiations work - you don't give anything away without a concession.
Lord Hailsham raised Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians! Sensationalist, irrelevant and utterly irresponsible.
Douglas Hailsham is very close to John Major, and went utterly native in the foreign office.
As Dr Johnson lexicographer (harmless drudge) of our first dictionary wisely observed you'd might as well try to bind the sea in chains as control how language is used....0 -
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
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The purpose of terms like Remoaner is to deligitimise a group of people for what they believe. To other* them. It's not simply, or mainly, a categorical descriptionMorris_Dancer said:Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
/ramblingforever
* Is "other" in the OED as a verb? It should be.0 -
I wouldn't be to sure - Salmond used it the other day...FF43 said:
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
Alex Salmond hates Donald Trump.
At least he does nowadays. Back in 2007, the Scottish Government, then led by the former first minister, revived The Don’s controversial transformation of the Menie estate into a golf course after Aberdeenshire Council rejected the plans. The move followed a meeting between the pair at a hotel in Aberdeen.
Perhaps, despite leading protests against the now President of the United States, there is remains a lingering admiration for how the billionaire does business. That could explain why he has adapted some of the same tactics when it comes to denigrating the media.
In this video blog, Mr Salmond attacks the “yoon media” for what he sees as unrelenting bias against the SNP.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/talking-politics/373840/alex-salmonds-yoon-media-attack-just-trumpian-denigration/0 -
I never said it shouldn't be used. It is the context. If you say Remoaner when you mean Remainer, you immediately bias your readers thoughts about what you write.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionarykjh said:
Re the use of terms like SJW, Snowflake, etc I agree with kle4. They are over used by those that want to attack the views of others so lose all meaning now. Remoaner is another. I came in half way through an interview on the Today programme about the NI elections. An interviewee used it completely unnecessarily. It then changes the context of what he says subsequently because of emotive language. It is inevitable that whatever he says next is percieved as biased by both Remainers and Brexiters. Lie Dims is another. It is just an insult. Whereas Lie Dems in context of a dodgy bar chart might have been clever once.kle4 said:
SJW ae variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The fhe deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".AlsoIndigo said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
It is a bit like referring to a Conservative as a Fascist or a Liberal as a Commie. If you do that I am going to know your thoughts are not logical and are heavily biased because you have deliberately used the wrong words.0 -
Somehow none of this surprises me ...CarlottaVance said:
I wouldn't be to sure - Salmond used it the other day...FF43 said:
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
Alex Salmond hates Donald Trump.
At least he does nowadays. Back in 2007, the Scottish Government, then led by the former first minister, revived The Don’s controversial transformation of the Menie estate into a golf course after Aberdeenshire Council rejected the plans. The move followed a meeting between the pair at a hotel in Aberdeen.
Perhaps, despite leading protests against the now President of the United States, there is remains a lingering admiration for how the billionaire does business. That could explain why he has adapted some of the same tactics when it comes to denigrating the media.
In this video blog, Mr Salmond attacks the “yoon media” for what he sees as unrelenting bias against the SNP.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/talking-politics/373840/alex-salmonds-yoon-media-attack-just-trumpian-denigration/0 -
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/otherFF43 said:
The purpose of terms like Remoaner is to deligitimise a group of people for what they believe. To other* them. It's not simply, or mainly, a categorical descriptionMorris_Dancer said:Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
/ramblingforever
* Is "other" in the OED as a verb? It should be.
Others might view 'Remoaners' as those who seek to delegitimise the result of a democratic referendum.....in contrast to Remainers who accept the result.
How would you characterise 'Brexitard'?0 -
Came across my first 'Brexshitter' today. Twitter really is a sewer.kle4 said:
Oh it too is a word that has a justifiable precise definition. Like brexitard, although that is far less common. But still it is overused, for instance on the sensible remainers who have concerns but are not actually seeking to overturn Brexit.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionarykjh said:
Rkle4 said:
SJW ae variety.SeanT said:
"SJW" is a precise term for a particular kind of obsessive lefty nutter on social media. I will continue to use it. When YOU earn £200,000 a year solely from employing the English language, and I do not, I will then take lectures from you on vocabulary.Bojabob said:
SJW is alt-right lingo bingo fodder. I'd expect better from you!SeanT said:
The fhe deviously clever "Swedish Ku Klux Klan".AlsoIndigo said:
I'll give itat is going on you are in a dangerous place.SeanT said:
Here's Tim PoolDixie said:
Family member just bple.rcs1000 said:
I don't t).SeanT said:Roger said:
If you've even been no further thanove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.SeanT said:This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569
At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/0 -
The specific purpose of the term "Remoaner" is to "other" (as you put it) those who think the democratic decision of the British people should be ignored by the elite.FF43 said:
The purpose of terms like Remoaner is to deligitimise a group of people for what they believe. To other* them. It's not simply, or mainly, a categorical descriptionMorris_Dancer said:Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
/ramblingforever
* Is "other" in the OED as a verb? It should be.
You might see this as a problem.0 -
They are but fleeting, these political insults. And in any case still aren't in common currency beyond political anoraks and internet forums. See also: cybernits, leftards and virtue signalling.CarlottaVance said:
The purpose of the OED (or any good dictionary) is to record language as it is used, not, like the Academie Francais who opine on how language should be used (with very limited success - le jumbo jet well outlived 'le gros porteur')Bojabob said:
It will be a sad day in the circus when the language of the political schoolyard ends up in the OED.Charles said:
I agree the expulsion of the East African Asians was sensationalist, irrelevant (to solving Uganda's problems) and utterly irresponsible.RoyalBlue said:It's very alarming watching the Lords debate. They seem terrifyingly naive about how negotiations work - you don't give anything away without a concession.
Lord Hailsham raised Idi Amin's expulsion of the Asians! Sensationalist, irrelevant and utterly irresponsible.
Douglas Hailsham is very close to John Major, and went utterly native in the foreign office.
As Dr Johnson lexicographer (harmless drudge) of our first dictionary wisely observed you'd might as well try to bind the sea in chains as control how language is used....0 -
Mazel tov.SeanT said:Just heard my beloved elder daughter got into her first choice secondary school: a very nice new Free School, full of clever Jewish kids, with excellent facilities, friendly teachers, spirited ethos, kick-ass pushy rich north London governors.
Thankyou, the Coalition, 2010-2015.0 -
IIRC Trump and Salmond fell out big time over his Aberdeenshire golf course.CarlottaVance said:
I wouldn't be to sure - Salmond used it the other day...FF43 said:
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
Alex Salmond hates Donald Trump.
At least he does nowadays. Back in 2007, the Scottish Government, then led by the former first minister, revived The Don’s controversial transformation of the Menie estate into a golf course after Aberdeenshire Council rejected the plans. The move followed a meeting between the pair at a hotel in Aberdeen.
Perhaps, despite leading protests against the now President of the United States, there is remains a lingering admiration for how the billionaire does business. That could explain why he has adapted some of the same tactics when it comes to denigrating the media.
In this video blog, Mr Salmond attacks the “yoon media” for what he sees as unrelenting bias against the SNP.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/talking-politics/373840/alex-salmonds-yoon-media-attack-just-trumpian-denigration/0 -
That's not a bloody word either.SeanT said:
"otherise" is betterFF43 said:
The purpose of terms like Remoaner is to deligitimise a group of people for what they believe. To other* them. It's not simply, or mainly, a categorical descriptionMorris_Dancer said:Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
/ramblingforever
* Is "other" in the OED as a verb? It should be.0 -
Everyone seems to assume the negotiations will be about trade. On the World at One there was a very heated discussion between some East Europeans and a government minister about how they had to put their lives on hold even though one of them had been here with their family since 1997.FF43 said:
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
The government Minister said no guarantees could be given. I found it very ugly and unpleasant. It reminded me of Tories of old. This next few years isn't going to be pretty and not because of currency fluctuations.0 -
The bastards have got him. If he wants the right wing to win, he has to stand down.Richard_Nabavi said:
Catherine Vautrin, vice-president of Les Républicans in the l'Assemblée, also wants him to stand down.SeanT said:Is Fillon falling..?
...
Soon he'll have no backers at all.0 -
I haven't learnt how to do a smily face yet!Bojabob said:
That's not a bloody word either.SeanT said:
"otherise" is betterFF43 said:
The purpose of terms like Remoaner is to deligitimise a group of people for what they believe. To other* them. It's not simply, or mainly, a categorical descriptionMorris_Dancer said:Just on language - certain shorthand terms also can be used to signify membership of groups (a Remain voter won't use the term 'Remoaner' very often). That will affect how seriously a message is taken, as well as alienating certain groups. So, you end up fragmenting political groups by vocabulary, which means people are literally speaking different language.
Political correctness can be used as a pejorative to mean the censorship of speech and actions that are perfectly reasonable but not line with an orthodox consensus, or as a term for ensuring bigoted speech isn't tolerated. In short, it's such a broad term it's essentially meaningless and any meaning it does have is determined by the speaker, and listener, and there could be a vast yawning chasm between them.
That can make it hard to effectively communicate because a simple phrase everyone knows can mean wildly different things.
/thisisanimportantpointandI'mdefinitelynotprocrastinating
And that's without getting into devaluing terms like 'Nazi' or 'fascist' by overusing them. Like over-prescribing antibiotics, the racism card is not as powerful as it was because it was thrown at those with genuine concerns over migration.
/ramblingforever
* Is "other" in the OED as a verb? It should be.0 -
Brextremist or herd will sufficeSeanT said:
Remoaner will live as long as the question of the UK's EU membership is an issue, which could be quite a while.FF43 said:
It certainly has currency but I'm not sure Remoaner will stay. Some supporters of independence for Scotland use "Yoon" to delegitimise supporters of the UK Union, but the term's dying out now.SeanT said:
Like it or not, Remoaner is here to stay. When a word is used and instantly understood, without inverted commas, in papers as diverse as the Sun, the FT, and the Spectator, then it is headed for the Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2968384/theresa-may-must-warn-brits-she-will-have-to-make-major-compromises-during-brexit-talks-or-risk-bitterly-disappointing-voters-sir-john-major-says/
https://www.ft.com/content/0c7fb7ce-f2e5-11e6-95ee-f14e55513608
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/sorry-remoaners-british-peso-way-back/
It might then die, or morph into something longterm like "Tory" or "Whig", which outgrew their original meanings, yet lived on
One day we will have to finally choose between Brexiter or Brexiteer.0
