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Bollington on Cheshire East (Con defence, resignation of sitting member) Result of council at last election (2015): Conservatives 53, Labour 16, Independents 3, Middlewich First 3, Liberal Democrats 2, Nantwich Independents 2, Ratepatyers 2, Bollington First 1 (Conservative majority of 24) Result of ward at last election (2015) : Emboldened denotes elected Bollington First 1,743, 1,380 (37%) Conservatives 1,435, 1,403 (31%) Labour 1,006 (21%) Liberal Democrats 511, 427 (11%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 107,962 (49%) LEAVE 113,163 (51%) on a turnout of 77% Candidates duly nominated: Sam Al-Hamdani (Lib Dem), Phillip Bolton (Con), James Nicholas (Bollington First), Richard Purslow (Green), Rob Vernon (Lab) Weather at close of polls: Cloudy, but dry, 7°C Estimate: Bollington First GAIN from Conservative

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  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited February 2017
    First like Bollington First.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    FPT
    Floater said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Trump says CNN hate him.

    So sad.

    And compared the BBC to CNN - Jon Sopel for once looked speechless
    Got to admit I did enjoy him putting down our impartial *cough* BBC
    BBC headline on the press conference: "Trump's mental health sparks debate"
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    LD = Living Dead.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    "Church of England gay marriage vote thrown into chaos after members 'get confused and press wrong button' "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/16/bishop-apologises-accidentally-pressing-wrong-button-crucial/
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    Floater said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Trump says CNN hate him.

    So sad.

    And compared the BBC to CNN - Jon Sopel for once looked speechless
    Got to admit I did enjoy him putting down our impartial *cough* BBC
    BBC headline on the press conference: "Trump's mental health sparks debate"
    BBC = Butthurt Broadcasting Corporation.
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    "Church of England gay marriage vote thrown into chaos after members 'get confused and press wrong button' "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/16/bishop-apologises-accidentally-pressing-wrong-button-crucial/

    Stop. Bashing. The. Bishop.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Not even a podium finish :(
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    williamglenn said:

    FPT

    Floater said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Trump says CNN hate him.

    So sad.

    And compared the BBC to CNN - Jon Sopel for once looked speechless
    Got to admit I did enjoy him putting down our impartial *cough* BBC
    BBC headline on the press conference: "Trump's mental health sparks debate"
    You have to be very biased to not think he is unhinged.

    "The father had, among other things, "expressed unorthodox views about the need for sterilisation of bottles and the benefits of formula milk".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38995320
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Jeremy Corbyn needs to recruit moussa Sissokos agent. He or she can polish a turd if anyone can.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    The 15/8 UKIP has gone.. I was only trying to help
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    williamglenn said:

    BBC headline on the press conference: "Trump's mental health sparks debate"

    @robertmooreitv: One Republican Senator texted to CNN: The President should be doing this with a therapist, not on live TV.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    SeanT said:

    ...It sent some of us bonkers (including me, nearly)...

    Nearly?... :)

  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour can't lose in Stoke, can they?

    I've been following the football barometer of Stoke City supporters' opinions on the upcoming election (it was spot on for Brexit) - I think Labour are safe now that A50 is passing without a hitch.

  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Has "Donald" said something controversial again? ;)
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/2016-17/club-statement-3579530.aspx
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    'Residents for Uttlesford'

    Another BNP front?
  • gettingbetter
    gettingbetter Posts: 599
    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    "Church of England gay marriage vote thrown into chaos after members 'get confused and press wrong button' "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/16/bishop-apologises-accidentally-pressing-wrong-button-crucial/

    My SU back in the day had amongst its standing orders: "members must think before voting". Apparently the General Synod needs the same!
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    Ah reminds me of how Carswell was going to lose Clacton when he swerved a hustings! Roger Lord was going to win wasn't he??!!
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Best ward and council name combo 'Elsenham and Henham on Uttlesford' but it's slim pickings.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
    Betfair exchange
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Is Mike Smithson the most famous man in Britain???? His tweets are being linked to on Stoke City's football forum.

    Who can forget that time he tweeted something that moved sterling?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Anybody fancy a trip to watch some footy in Russia? Looks delightful!
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Let's see the LDs leap from 2%(!) to a win in Failsworth, eh?
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    kle4 said:

    Let's see the LDs leap from 2%(!) to a win in Failsworth, eh?

    A very rare by-election with exactly the same parties standing again.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Chesire East intrigues me

    Independents 3, Middlewich First 3, Liberal Democrats 2, Nantwich Independents 2, Ratepatyers 2,

    Even if they truly do want to ensure Middlewich/Nantwich comes first, is that really not possible outside of a single 'Independent' group, which is simpler for committee places? Not to mention the ratepayers in the mix.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
  • Torby_Fennel
    Torby_Fennel Posts: 438
    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    Has "Donald" said something controversial again? ;)

    As if :-)
  • gettingbetter
    gettingbetter Posts: 599
    isam said:

    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
    Betfair exchange
    Missed that. Got about 18k on so far at around 1.9 average. Seems like a very good value bet on labour to me. Best opportunity for some time not so sure about copeland.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Torby_Fennel said:

    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

    Stop being so defeatist. Brexit is wrong and bad and will be proved to be so. As too will the divisive politics of Trump and LePenn and the Alt Right. It is just a matter of time.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Torby_Fennel said:

    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

    It'll be a long hard road, and if things go poorly you'll meet some repentant Brexiters in the middle.
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    isam said:

    The 15/8 UKIP has gone.. I was only trying to help

    The 11/4 Labour in Copeland will be going soon too.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Torby_Fennel said:

    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

    Now that the status quo has been so upset, true Europhiles have a decision to make between accepting that the UK is out of the EU for ever and working for a close relationship between the two; and advocating to Rejoin, which may not be feasible in even the medium term.

    Throwing one's toys out of the pram, as Grayling and several notable PBers have done, is quite understandable in the circumstances.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Floater said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Has "Donald" said something controversial again? ;)

    As if :-)
    I see that Trump was back in full throttle snorting mode tonight at the press conference.....back to the presidential debates. Corbyn snorts too. It is a particularly repulsive, repellant trait, and something I don't think I have ever seen a woman do.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited February 2017
    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
    Betfair exchange
    Missed that. Got about 18k on so far at around 1.9 average. Seems like a very good value bet on labour to me. Best opportunity for some time not so sure about copeland.
    Hmm I disagree, I think it is 50/50 Labour and UKIP but I seem to be on my own!

    I have backed Labour at 2.21 by trading it around but still lose on them as I backed UKIP bigger.. not anywhere near your size mind you

    Before the candidates were announced I thought Labour were a shoo in. If they get elected with a bloke who literally calls the electorate names on twitter then the power of the rosette is well and truly in force
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited February 2017
    chestnut said:

    Is Mike Smithson the most famous man in Britain???? His tweets are being linked to on Stoke City's football forum.

    Who can forget that time he tweeted something that moved sterling?

    Isn't he in the top 100,000,000 most influential pensioners on Twitter or something? :smiley:
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119
  • Torby_Fennel
    Torby_Fennel Posts: 438
    tyson said:



    Stop being so defeatist. Brexit is wrong and bad and will be proved to be so. As too will the divisive politics of Trump and LePenn and the Alt Right. It is just a matter of time.

    I honestly don't see my position as being defeatist. Except, of course, for the fact that my side was defeated. I thought I was being relatively positive. :) That aside, this is an opportunity to think about all of my opinions and what directions they might point me towards.

  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Torby_Fennel said:

    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

    Now that the status quo has been so upset, true Europhiles have a decision to make between accepting that the UK is out of the EU for ever and working for a close relationship between the two;
    Part of the UK as originally constituted is firmly embedded in the EU. It's the fate of the rest of it that is now in question. Brexit is the beginning, not the end, of a process that will determine the future of our nation state.
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Just listening to the podcast... 16% approve of Jeremy Corbyn! How can he still be there?
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited February 2017
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chavs...what has the Donald done now?
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Freggles said:

    Just listening to the podcast... 16% approve of Jeremy Corbyn! How can he still be there?

    Because the Labour party members is largely made up of members of that 16%?

    Not exactly rocket science, but then you don't seem to understand that France is a safe country....
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Trumpski really has a new interesting take on sanity.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He spent a bunch of time slagging off the media in an entertaining if slightly baffling way. This is apparently a grand achievement because something something mainstream media. But really it seems like its just Donald being Donald.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
    Betfair exchange
    Missed that. Got about 18k on so far at around 1.9 average. Seems like a very good value bet on labour to me. Best opportunity for some time not so sure about copeland.
    You've bet 18 THOUSAND pounds on a by-election? Wow.

    And I thought my tenner on Labour was a bit daring.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
    Evens chance of beating UKIP into 2nd
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    SeanT said:

    Torby_Fennel said:

    SeanT said:


    But this is why I recognise the pathology, from the other side. The europhiles are getting what we had to endure, only it is being dumped on them in vast tonnes, overnight, rather than corroding their will to live, over years (and I genuinely do not know which is harder or crueller, in the end)

    Eheu. Everything comes back to bite you. A lesson for all of us.

    I think the main problem facing europhiles now is that, bluntly, we feel largely irrelevant to the post-referendum political landscape. A minority of the most sore losers will lash out, of course. Many others, accepting of though not happy with the result, are quietly trying to work out what our place (personally and/or politically) in the new future is. For myself it's quite an introspective process and after 8 months still hasn't yielded up any answers at all yet.

    I respect your honesty, and honour your democracy. And, believe it or not, I DO understand the pain.

    After the - to me - complete and repulsive betrayal that was the EU Constitution which required a referendum which suddenly became a Lisbon Treaty which merely required Nick Palmer to sneer and vote it through parliament, I nearly gave up. I actually said as much on here and wrote the same on the Telegraph. I felt we we had been very unfairly defeated by malign and nasty people (like Nick), but we were, nonetheless, defeated.

    You can't spend your whole life lamenting setbacks. It is a waste of precious time. So I readjusted. I almost became a reluctant europhile (another Telegraph piece) saying that if we had to be European let us embrace it, and celebrate a kind of greatness, for all its democratic flaws.

    But deep down I remained a sceptic, and an Englishman, hence my ultimate vote for Leave.

    So I do empathise. You Remainers are suddenly facing what we Leavers have suffered since the 1970s, except your defeat has come in one big thump.

    My advice is accept it, work for the betterment of your country interim, and argue for a democratic reversal when the time comes. On present trends that will be in about 30 years. I sincerely wish you good luck.
    Good post
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    Not so sure. 11 points isn't insurmountable, in fact against Corbyn I'm not sure it's that impressive. A lot depends on her personal ratings remaining high and of course boundary changes.

    . Change of Lab leader, economic downturn, lots can go wrong still.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    MarkSenior said:

    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
    Evens chance of beating UKIP into 2nd
    Is that a 100% chance of losing?
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    MarkSenior said:

    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
    Evens chance of beating UKIP into 2nd
    Cheers. No chance against Labour on a tiny turnout?
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The signs are not positive on the first front.
    May will probably win anyway though.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MarkSenior said:

    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
    Evens chance of beating UKIP into 2nd
    Currently suspended but I bought Lib Dems on SPIN at 3 pts. Resolves at 10 for 2nd.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    edited February 2017
    Mortimer said:

    Freggles said:

    Just listening to the podcast... 16% approve of Jeremy Corbyn! How can he still be there?

    Because the Labour party members is largely made up of members of that 16%?

    Not exactly rocket science, but then you don't seem to understand that France is a safe country....
    My position is the same as David Cameron in 2016. Was he left wing?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart

    @DPJHodges: "Media don't get it. Trump's supporters loved that press conference". We do get it. We don't care. He's a lunatic. We're going to say so.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The signs are not positive on the first front.
    May will probably win anyway though.
    I am more optimistic - we have a lot going for us
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    NickPalmer said:

    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    gettingbetter said:

    isam said:

    A £98 lay of Labour on Betfair in Stoke takes them back to 2.02.. v thin mkt!!!

    Where?
    Betfair exchange
    Missed that. Got about 18k on so far at around 1.9 average. Seems like a very good value bet on labour to me. Best opportunity for some time not so sure about copeland.
    You've bet 18 THOUSAND pounds on a by-election? Wow.

    And I thought my tenner on Labour was a bit daring.
    @Gettingbetter bets in decent size. Made good money on Trump getting the nomination.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    A knockout blow-hmmmm going a bit ott I think.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The signs are not positive on the first front.
    May will probably win anyway though.
    I am more optimistic - we have a lot going for us
    It just takes one country to veto a deal, The French Senate are not showing much enthusiasm. Brexit is happening, but we need to get real about other countries attitudes to us jumping ship at a time like this.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The signs are not positive on the first front.
    May will probably win anyway though.
    I am more optimistic - we have a lot going for us
    It just takes one country to veto a deal, The French Senate are not showing much enthusiasm. Brexit is happening, but we need to get real about other countries attitudes to us jumping ship at a time like this.
    I'd like to see those dates marked on a diary for when the EU think it would be a good time for us to jump ship....

    It is always going to be the wrong time. Which is one of the reasons why we are leaving.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    edited February 2017
    Five way battle in the Forest of Dean seat, I'd go for the Lib Dems to take it.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The signs are not positive on the first front.
    May will probably win anyway though.
    I am more optimistic - we have a lot going for us
    It just takes one country to veto a deal
    The Article 50 deal is QMV.

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Artist said:

    Five way battle in the Forest of Dean seat, I'd go for the Lib Dems to take it.

    :+1:
    williamglenn said:



    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.

    :+1:
    Big_G_NorthWales said:



    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart

    :+1:
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    nunu said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    A knockout blow-hmmmm going a bit ott I think.
    Not on the night
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    In your dreams, William. In your dreams.

    Scotland can console itself with a role as chief squabbler with the Irish as the English speaking outpost in the EU according to your dreams as well, except most of the English speakers will have gone and with England goes most of the money.

    Meanwhile, the anglosphere will just take it's ball away and set up it's own game.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    'Taken apart'? Hardly - Trump merely equated the BBC to CNN. That seems a fair and reasonable comparison.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    If that is so, and they are as great and noble as they claim, they would not take unduly take advantage of someone in that position.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tim_B said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    'Taken apart'? Hardly - Trump merely equated the BBC to CNN. That seems a fair and reasonable comparison.
    Trump was in top form that press conference I thought. "Another beauty" Hah !
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    If that is so, and they are as great and noble as they claim, they would not take unduly take advantage of someone in that position.
    I hope you didn't vote for brexit on that basis :D !
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited February 2017
    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    midwinter said:

    MarkSenior said:

    This week's Lib Dem gain will be in tomorrows by election in Wokingham Emmbrook ward .
    Result last May was Con 1235 LDem 1222 Lab 260 Green 119

    What chance do you give the Lib Dems in Stoke?
    Evens chance of beating UKIP into 2nd
    Cheers. No chance against Labour on a tiny turnout?
    Expect postal votes to see them home
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    'Taken apart'? Hardly - Trump merely equated the BBC to CNN. That seems a fair and reasonable comparison.
    Trump was in top form that press conference I thought. "Another beauty" Hah !
    I have to say I agree with Trump on quite a few issues

    Shh dont tell my Corbynista pals
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    'Taken apart'? Hardly - Trump merely equated the BBC to CNN. That seems a fair and reasonable comparison.
    Trump was in top form that press conference I thought. "Another beauty" Hah !
    It was Trump being Trump. Enjoyable to be sure. I liked the way he treated the lady who asked the gotcha question about the Congressional Black Caucus - I'd love to meet with the CBC: you set it up.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}

    Yes and your potholes and public toilets are all the better for it!
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}

    Luckily, Parish council elections have little effect on Brexit. Amazing what diehard Remain voters do to get their kicks now their views are considered so extreme.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}

    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}

    Haha fair dos
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    We manage to manufacture so little of our own that we have to import much of what we want to buy . It is why our balance of payments is so much in the red .
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:



    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.

    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    If that is so, and they are as great and noble as they claim, they would not take unduly take advantage of someone in that position.
    There was a very good interview with a German politician on Hardtalk the other day (sorry, don't remember his name) He was emphatic that the German position would be that there had to be a good deal for everyone, including the UK, and that there would be no 'punishment' but the UK could not cherry pick. It was not going to be full access to the single market for some of the obligations, but that there was 'a lot of room for compromise between the single market and WTO rules'

    That sounds to me like the most likely negotiating atmosphere once all the pre-negotiation theatrics settle down.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Tim_B said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ITV joining the hysteria. Reporter saying Trump had promised to give Washington a cardiac arrest and no doubt that has been achieved but it is shocking and with disbelief that the White House has done this.

    Trump needs to do more of these press conferences until the MSM accept that their World has changed

    I have been watching a load of Russians beat each other up to practice for the English chaos...what has the Donald done now?
    He took the MSM head on in his press conference and dealt a knockout blow. Jon Sopel of the BBC was taken apart
    'Taken apart'? Hardly - Trump merely equated the BBC to CNN. That seems a fair and reasonable comparison.
    Sopel did well.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    East Staffs Burton is LD Hold vote share up to 52%
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2017
    ThreeQuidder said:

    The Article 50 deal is QMV.

    Whether the deal will be decided by QMV or not is a crucial question, perhaps the most crucial question facing the UK.

    You are right that, strictly speaking according to the Lisbon Treaty, the Article 50 exit deal is subject to QMV, though it's also subject to approval by the European Parliament. However, I'm not sure that's sufficient. It only requires one minor detail for fall outside the strict remit of Article 50 (and who knows what that is?) for the whole thing to fall back on to EU27 + European Parliament unanimity. Remember that our EU friends claim that the exit deal is separate from the post-exit deal. That is nonsense, of course, but most experts in EU law and politics thinks that unanimity will apply to the combination.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    MTimT said:

    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:



    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.

    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    If that is so, and they are as great and noble as they claim, they would not take unduly take advantage of someone in that position.
    There was a very good interview with a German politician on Hardtalk the other day (sorry, don't remember his name) He was emphatic that the German position would be that there had to be a good deal for everyone, including the UK, and that there would be no 'punishment' but the UK could not cherry pick. It was not going to be full access to the single market for some of the obligations, but that there was 'a lot of room for compromise between the single market and WTO rules'

    That sounds to me like the most likely negotiating atmosphere once all the pre-negotiation theatrics settle down.
    One would hope sensible heads will prevail, but undoubtedly there will be political impulses on either side pushing unhelpful options like punishment or lack of reasonable flexibility, and it is clear some are hoping for such truculence to occur.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    MarkSenior said:

    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If May has deals settled/firmly pipelined with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the public will happily tolerate the loss of Romania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    We manage to manufacture so little of our own that we have to import much of what we want to buy . It is why our balance of payments is so much in the red .
    Most of our trade deficit can be attributed to energy costs- which are primarily from the non EU Norway - or from cheap imported production from places like China and Bangladesh.

    It's worth remembering that pre-EU expansion, the UK's trade was in balance.
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Having seen and listened to Trump's press conference, I cannot believe that people see a confident, in control, Chief executive rather than an attention-seeking narcissist in denial about anything that contradicts his desires/fantasies
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    chestnut said:

    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Freggles said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Nuttall misses Stoke hustings as he prioritises being in Brussels! You couldn't make it up...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-condemned-for-failing-to-attend-hustings

    As bad as Nuttall is, you couldn't really make up the caricature of Jeremy Corbyn and his pathetic cheerleaders that are collectively consigning progressive politics to the dustbin.
    Harsh but very, very fair.
    Corbyn is simply giving the Tories a false sense of security until Len pulls the plug on the experiment in 2018
    The result of GE 2020 will depend on whether Theresa May obtains an acceptable divorce from the EU.. If she does she will walk back into power.
    The importance of the EU settlement is entirely related to the quality of the other settlements with the 88% of the global economy that aren't in a post Brexit EU.

    If Mania and Latvia etc.
    You forgot India.... Oh, they will of course want easier access to visas for their citizens in return for better economic links.
    Not at all. There is a very discernible change in tone from the EU post Trump and since May's outline.

    Put this in perspective.

    We are a top three global export destination for the the Scandis and Irish.
    We are a top three global export destination for the major countries in NW Europe.
    We are a top five global export destination for the countries in the Med.

    We are the continent's bankers.

    We are the biggest export destination in Europe for Canada, Australia, New Zealand....and India. We are top three with the US, Japan and South Korea.

    These facts are gradually sinking in across Europe.
    It's a rare occurrence indeed for the EU to have such an important partner so completely over a barrel.
    If that is so, and they are as great and noble as they claim, they would not take unduly take advantage of someone in that position.
    I hope you didn't vote for brexit on that basis :D !
    I knew it was a risk and that it would be very difficult no matter what, but while we cannot get all we may want, and May is not even trying for plenty as she clearly thinks there's no chance, I don't think it likely they have us over a barrel either. Whether it was worth it we shall see, and I'll be willing to admit it was not, but that will take time to assess, whatever gloomy or optimistic noises occur now.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    It only requires one minor detail for fall outside the strict remit of Article 50 (and who knows what that is?) for the whole thing to fall back on to EU27 + European Parliament unanmity. Most experts in EU law and politics thinks that the latter will apply.

    A trade deal is a very major detail and certainly is outside the scope of the strict remit of Article 50.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP's big problem is that us remainers love nothing better than getting out on a Thursday night and heading down to the polling booth in the pouring rain to tick a Lib Dem box for council by-elections.

    You may have your Brexit, but Thursday nights are ours :}

    Remainers on the whole are centrists politically, tending slightly to the left, while Leavers occupy the political poles.

    A slow victory of centrism, whether LD, SNP or the saner end of Labour so that we achieve a European style social democracy post Brexit rather than a xenophobic nationalist Britain is the way to go. One council and parliamentary seat at a time.

  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Beverley_C said:

    Having seen and listened to Trump's press conference, I cannot believe that people see a confident, in control, Chief executive rather than an attention-seeking narcissist in denial about anything that contradicts his desires/fantasies

    People love anybody railing against MSM.
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