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A whip means nothing if being sacked is a badge of honour, and the promise of preferment of no value.kle4 said:
Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.
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There is no possibility of Bercow going. Duddridge is a total nonentity who will attract minimal support. Bercow will be defended by all of the opposition members particularly Labour and SNP and a bigger percentage of the Tories than he commanded when elected.
He will see off the challenge effortlessly and if you can get any price on him staying into 2018 then take it.0 -
I think so, that would mean Bercow doesn't have the public support of well over half the governing party. I think Fowler has emboldened the Tories on this one.AlastairMeeks said:
Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?Pulpstar said:Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
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Mazda is Mars-da and Hyundai is Hunday, to rhyme with Sunday. (that latter one is at least closer to the proper pronunciation, which is HYUN-day.)FrancisUrquhart said:
How Americans think that Nissan is pronounced as Neeeeeeeeeeesan is beyond me.DecrepitJohnL said:
It is linux with a short i almost everywhere now. Americans used to pronounce it with a long i because that is how they pronounce the name Linus (eg Linus in Peanuts or Linus Pauling the chemist with two Nobel prizes) but thanks to Youtube and Linus Torvalds moving to the US and speaking at conferences, Americans have largely changed to short i linux. There is probably a degree thesis in there somewhere for a student of linguistics.geoffw said:.
In the originator's country it is "Leenux"Ishmael_Z said:
And Linux.ThreeQuidder said:
The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.Tissue_Price said:
Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.RobD said:
In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)SimonStClare said:
Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.RobD said:
I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!Morris_Dancer said:Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.
Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].
'Click' always sounds American to me.0 -
The word "viable" was stretched to breaking point a long time ago. I think it now means "has a pulse."kle4 said:
Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.
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What, to kill someone? I'd say sofoxinsoxuk said:0 -
Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?0
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Is Dennis Skinner in the shadow cabinet yet ?0
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If Bercow is to go, that might well be the principle reason - he cannot defend not discussing his intent with the Lord Speaker first, even if he felt justified in a statement of some kind, and which the house broadly accepted.Pulpstar said:
I think so, that would mean Bercow doesn't have the public support of well over half the governing party. I think Fowler has emboldened the Tories on this one.AlastairMeeks said:
Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?Pulpstar said:Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
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Only a matter if time...shadow minister for the old.Pulpstar said:Is Dennis Skinner in the shadow cabinet yet ?
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No BAME in our village of 1000 people in the Home Counties.isam said:
Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.Pulpstar said:
Definite BAME under-representation there.isam said:
Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was blackSouthamObserver said:
Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?FrancisUrquhart said:
Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.isam said:
Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?Richard_Nabavi said:Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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* According to Clive.
Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.
EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
We once had a black person but he did have a hyphenated name.0 -
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In Michael Martin's case 22 supporting Carswell's motion was enough. But I don't think the feelings of disgust and embarrassment that he generated are so prevalent this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?Pulpstar said:Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
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I vote for Jeremy Corbyn to become the new Speaker.0
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Snuck = Americanism!RobD said:
Woohoo, I snuck in the day before he was appointed.FrancisUrquhart said:America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511
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I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
I would not agree. "Winning" in this case does not mean 51%.scotslass said:There is no possibility of Bercow going. Duddridge is a total nonentity who will attract minimal support. Bercow will be defended by all of the opposition members particularly Labour and SNP and a bigger percentage of the Tories than he commanded when elected.
He will see off the challenge effortlessly and if you can get any price on him staying into 2018 then take it.0 -
Doubt it – in fact I can’t work out why the Young Turk is still hanging around the commons like a bad smell. – Surely his time has gone and a more worthwhile career beckons…Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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The Tory candidate for Chippenham in 2010 is a farmer and businessman from Devon/Cornwall who sells products under the label 'The Black Farmer', as apparently that's what he became known as when he moved to the area, for probably obvious reasons.David_Evershed said:
No BAME in our village of 1000 people in the Home Counties.isam said:
Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.Pulpstar said:
Definite BAME under-representation there.isam said:
Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was blackSouthamObserver said:
Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?FrancisUrquhart said:
Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.isam said:
Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?Richard_Nabavi said:Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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* According to Clive.
Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.
EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population0 -
Wait a moment!
Labour should support the No Confidence motion, then connive with the Conservatives to get Corbyn made Speaker, then have another No Confidence motion 0 -
@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."0
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He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
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Mr. Meeks, my grandpa's second wife once pronounced it 'pew joh', although I'm not sure if that was normal or she was being silly.0
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Perhaps no job offers have been forthcoming....SimonStClare said:
Doubt it – in fact I can’t work out why the Young Turk is still hanging around the commons like a bad smell. – Surely his time has gone and a more worthwhile career beckons…Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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I drive a Purr shjoh too oh sev en.AlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
There was an Peugeot advert I saw repeatedly the other day, voiced by a Scottish actor who pronounced it Purr-johAlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.0 -
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
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Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.0
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Purr-joh is almost correct, but there is a definite 'sh' (Like the start of the chinese 'zhong') in there too.Scott_P said:
There was an Peugeot advert I saw repeatedly the other day, voiced by a Scottish actor who pronounced it Purr-johAlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.0 -
I presume they are suggesting if he does the honourable thing and resigns he'll be given a Peerage at some point as Speakers generally are. Although reference to it being on the Labour benches is curious in that case.SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
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Elected as "speaker unopposed". If he's not speaker...SouthamObserver said:He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?
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The rate of murder in Midsomer is more like Chicago projects than a english village.David_Evershed said:
No BAME in our village of 1000 people in the Home Counties.isam said:
Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.Pulpstar said:
Definite BAME under-representation there.isam said:
Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was blackSouthamObserver said:
Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?FrancisUrquhart said:
Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.isam said:
Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?Richard_Nabavi said:Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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* According to Clive.
Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.
EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
We once had a black person but he did have a hyphenated name.0 -
Yes. Speakers can not go back to being a party political MP.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
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Faydun Boyz!AlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
Since when has Bercow been one for convention?FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
Though I suspect he wouldn't turn down the ermine.0 -
The final e is pronounced in Germany, where the vehicles come from.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
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QTWTAIN?Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."0
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Bercow has already said he is retiring next year so I'm not really sure what is the point of this but presumably Duddridge has had some encouragement from ministers. In the medium term, replacing the relatively pro-backbench Bercow with a government lackey might not be as popular as some hope on the Conservative benches.
On the plus side, we can bet on it.0 -
Greek Goddess of Victory, innit.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
Then there's the question whether it should be "nicky" or "ny-key".0 -
Take your pick...
@cgwOMT: There is no majority in the House of Commons to remove the Speaker, and the attempt tabled this evening will fail.
@politicshome: NEW: Tory MP who tabled no confidence motion says John Bercow will be gone by the end of Commons recess next Monday bit.ly/2k7LglC pic.twitter.com/3EZNN8pBIe0 -
The "government" will not initiate a motion of no confidence in the Speaker. It would be a matter for The House and depend on a move by an MP.kle4 said:If the government cannot win a motion of no confidence against the Speaker (and it is obviously for their benefit that such a motion would be made), surely they'd have done better to ensure one was not moved? Even if they vote for Bercow or mass abstain, most of those who vote against him will be Tories, hardly endearing them to a man already showing he wants to hit the government when he feels he can.
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Dr. Foxinsox, so what? Do you visit Cologne or Koln? Do you pronounce Paris without the S?
If I bought an assault rifle in Germany I'd call it an assault rifle, not a Sturmgewehr.
[Yes, I'm missing two umlauts, not sure how to quickly get them done here].
Mr. kle4, but did that happen to Martin, and did it happen to the chap in 1695 who lost a No Confidence motion?0 -
What worthwhile career exists for a traitorous (to his brother) failed leftish labour leader? He can hardly take a high income city job and there aren't many international charities willing to pay top dollar (his brother found about the only one that does)..SimonStClare said:
Doubt it – in fact I can’t work out why the Young Turk is still hanging around the commons like a bad smell. – Surely his time has gone and a more worthwhile career beckons…Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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Who?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
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It's pronounced Eccles ("ɛkəlz" in the international phonetic alphabet).AlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
Are they going to unveil anyone who isn't a headbanging Eurosceptic?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
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If Bercow has to leave Commons at the end of his time as Speaker, the government will surely back the motion of no confidence as it will lead to its majority increasing following a by-election in Buckingham.0
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Erskine May 24th edition page 64-65FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
When the Speaker retires in the course of a session, his decision is announced in a formal statement and the thanks of the House for his services are expressed, and a new Speaker elected, on later days. When he vacates his office he has usually been created a peer.0 -
I can't understand[*] why he didn't say "at present no request for President Trump to make such an address has been made; if and when such a request is made, it needs the approval of the Lord Speaker and Lord High Chamberlain as well as my own approval. However, I would be minded not to grant such an approval because ..."kle4 said:
If Bercow is to go, that might well be the principle reason - he cannot defend not discussing his intent with the Lord Speaker first, even if he felt justified in a statement of some kind, and which the house broadly accepted.Pulpstar said:
I think so, that would mean Bercow doesn't have the public support of well over half the governing party. I think Fowler has emboldened the Tories on this one.AlastairMeeks said:
Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?Pulpstar said:Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
[*] Actually, I can. It's because he's a preening, self-righteous, silly little man.0 -
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Hypenated names now usually just mean born out of wedlock. It long since ceased to be a posh thing.David_Evershed said:
No BAME in our village of 1000 people in the Home Counties.isam said:
Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.Pulpstar said:
Definite BAME under-representation there.isam said:
Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was blackSouthamObserver said:
Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?FrancisUrquhart said:
Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.isam said:
Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?Richard_Nabavi said:Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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* According to Clive.
Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.
EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
We once had a black person but he did have a hyphenated name.
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Mr. Meeks, humbug!
Do you (or others, generally) pronounce Julius Caesar as Yoolius Kaiser?
Mr. P, doubt Bercow's going to lose a vote.0 -
Stop showing off your own personal copy of Erskine May. Some of us are a tad jealous!kle4 said:
Erskine May 24th edition page 64-65FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
When the Speaker retires in the course of a session, his decision is announced in a formal statement and the thanks of the House for his services are expressed, and a new Speaker elected, on later days. When he vacates his office he has usually been created a peer. 0 -
Both could well be correct.Scott_P said:Take your pick...
@cgwOMT: There is no majority in the House of Commons to remove the Speaker, and the attempt tabled this evening will fail.
@politicshome: NEW: Tory MP who tabled no confidence motion says John Bercow will be gone by the end of Commons recess next Monday bit.ly/2k7LglC pic.twitter.com/3EZNN8pBIe0 -
Mugaroo market.Scott_P said:0 -
As Leader of the Opposition, before the '15 Election, Ed Miliband gave a presentation to the BBC on how he would "weaponise" the problems of the NHS as a political tool. The Beeb is taking his advice.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky and BBC on an all day marathon of disaster that is the NHS. Journalist feading doctors with inviting and helpful suggestions and every statistic indicating the end of the NHS.
There are serious problems in the NHS and in particular with the lack of joined up thinking with Social care but I fail to see how it is helped by journalists and cameras being use to distract staff working and generally getting in their way.
Interesting that the NHS does not feature in the 10 most popular stories on the BBC web page.
The MSM are running the risk of making the NHS a 'switch off' story and doing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve. They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse
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I get very few opportunities to show off in such a way - for some reason outside of here people think its sad when I tell them.RobD said:
Stop showing off your own personal copy of Erskine May. Some of us are a tad jealous!kle4 said:
Erskine May 24th edition page 64-65FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it not convention that you automatically go to the lord's as a cross bencher after you leave role as speaker?SouthamObserver said:
He'd still be an MP, wouldn't he?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Tory MP: "Bercow is more than welcome to pontificate on policy. But it is time he does so from the Labour benches in the House of Lords."
When the Speaker retires in the course of a session, his decision is announced in a formal statement and the thanks of the House for his services are expressed, and a new Speaker elected, on later days. When he vacates his office he has usually been created a peer.0 -
LEAVE 494AlastairMeeks said:
Are they going to unveil anyone who isn't a headbanging Eurosceptic?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
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That's as nothing to the correct spelling of your Christian name. Probably the foulest deed pulled at the font.AlastairMeeks said:
Greek Goddess of Victory, innit.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
Then there's the question whether it should be "nicky" or "ny-key".0 -
In 21st Century England it is more of a black/mixed race thing I reckon. Certainly in footballersfoxinsoxuk said:
Hypenated names now usually just mean born out of wedlock. It long since ceased to be a posh thing.David_Evershed said:
No BAME in our village of 1000 people in the Home Counties.isam said:
Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.Pulpstar said:
Definite BAME under-representation there.isam said:
Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was blackSouthamObserver said:
Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?FrancisUrquhart said:
Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.isam said:
Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?Richard_Nabavi said:Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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* According to Clive.
Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.
EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
We once had a black person but he did have a hyphenated name.0 -
Duddridge is a fool. Bercow will win any vote easily. have they not learnt from their previous machinations to keep him out of the Chair. That being said he's still a self-important, pompous twit though.Scott_P said:Take your pick...
@cgwOMT: There is no majority in the House of Commons to remove the Speaker, and the attempt tabled this evening will fail.
@politicshome: NEW: Tory MP who tabled no confidence motion says John Bercow will be gone by the end of Commons recess next Monday bit.ly/2k7LglC pic.twitter.com/3EZNN8pBIe0 -
How would you like it if the tables were reversed? Probably not very much!surbiton said:0 -
I'm just trying to work out why he is raising his profile again. Obvs not to get back into the Shad Cam.rottenborough said:
QTWTAIN?Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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Moggster for Speaker!RobD said:
Has to be a Labour MP next.
Chris Bryant has been training for the role with points of order and in debates on constitutional issues.0 -
Some Tory said privately that if the Lords plays funny then the HoL will be abolished.chestnut said:
Committing hari-kiri.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: LabLords leader Baroness Smith: "Lords, as always, will challenge/scrutinise legislation put before us; if necessary will pass amendments"..
@faisalislam: B. Smith: "we will not be cowed by threats of abolition or flooding place with 100s of new Tory Peers. stakes too high & we'll do our duty.”
Brilliant. Let's do it then.0 -
Because it's German, not French, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:#But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
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Is that true? I thought it wasn't the rule up until a couple of speakers ago. Hardly convention!David_Evershed said:
Has to be a Labour MP next.
Chris Bryant has been training for the role with points of order and in debates on constitutional issues.0 -
You were totally wrong about Bercow, and David Herdson absolutely right.AlastairMeeks said:
Are they going to unveil anyone who isn't a headbanging Eurosceptic?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
A period of silence from you on the subject of the Speaker would be appropriate.0 -
Though I may well demonstrate Schadenfreude when my panzers blitz their way to gotterdamerung...Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxinsox, so what? Do you visit Cologne or Koln? Do you pronounce Paris without the S?
If I bought an assault rifle in Germany I'd call it an assault rifle, not a Sturmgewehr.
[Yes, I'm missing two umlauts, not sure how to quickly get them done here].
Mr. kle4, but did that happen to Martin, and did it happen to the chap in 1695 who lost a No Confidence motion?0 -
He *was* the Shad Cam...Mortimer said:
I'm just trying to work out why he is raising his profile again. Obvs not to get back into the Shad Cam.rottenborough said:
QTWTAIN?Mortimer said:Just a thought, is Mili the younger angling for the speaker's job?
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Screw the government. If there is a motion of NC, then even winning by one vote will be legitimate.Philip_Thompson said:
The Speaker should surely have the confidence of the whole house. If he wins the no confidence vote but with a clearly-divided house then he should follow Thatcher's footsteps and resign..Scott_P said:0 -
'Ain-olt!isam said:
Faydun Boyz!AlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
What other answer can there be? He could have made a statement any number of ways saying the same thing with far less division. Here's another one:ThreeQuidder said:
I can't understand[*] why he didn't say "at present no request for President Trump to make such an address has been made; if and when such a request is made, it needs the approval of the Lord Speaker and Lord High Chamberlain as well as my own approval. However, I would be minded not to grant such an approval because ..."kle4 said:
If Bercow is to go, that might well be the principle reason - he cannot defend not discussing his intent with the Lord Speaker first, even if he felt justified in a statement of some kind, and which the house broadly accepted.Pulpstar said:
I think so, that would mean Bercow doesn't have the public support of well over half the governing party. I think Fowler has emboldened the Tories on this one.AlastairMeeks said:
Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?Pulpstar said:Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
[*] Actually, I can. It's because he's a preening, self-righteous, silly little man.
Many members have concerns about President Trump making an address to parliament, concerns which I confess I share. As such, should a request be made, I would convey those concerns very carefully with the Lord Speaker and Lord High Chamberlain so that the views of this house are known prior to any decision.
I still don't know that the nuclear option, removing him so soon in direct response, is a good idea though. He has already diminished his position, would this action diminish the role itself further?0 -
The motion tonight surely has no chance of passing. But if less than half the House votes to oppose the motion Bercow's position is surely untenable. A Speaker cannot survive on partisan support.0
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Dr. Prasannan, and I'm not German. If I were speaking it, I'd pronounce Porsche the way they do, and when I speak English (which is rather more common) I pronounce it the way it should be pronounced in English.0
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Has to be a Labour MP next.David_Evershed said:
Chris Bryant has been training for the role with points of order and in debates on constitutional issues.
That would lead to the continuation of the recent trend in degradation of the standards of dress worn by the Speaker!0 -
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That's as nothing to the correct spelling of your Christian name. Probably the foulest deed pulled at the font.AlastairMeeks said:
Greek Goddess of Victory, innit.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
Then there's the question whether it should be "nicky" or "ny-key".
Knew a girl at college named after the Goddess. She pronounced it nikay. Often wondered if she changed her name when the shoes came around. She was rather posh!AlastairMeeks said:
Greek Goddess of Victory, innit.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, and it's Nike, to rhyme with mike, tyke, dyke, bike, like, hike, pike. Why some refer to 'nik-ee' is beyond me. But then, I don't get why some people have decided the final letter of Porsche needs pronouncing either.
Then there's the question whether it should be "nicky" or "ny-key".0 -
via Newbury Park.Sunil_Prasannan said:
'Ain-olt!isam said:
Faydun Boyz!AlastairMeeks said:I'll just leave this for the pronunciation debate: "Nike".
My grandfather pronounced "Peugeot" as "Pyew-jot", which I thought very odd, but my other half does exactly the same thing.
But on such questions, my grandmother could not be defeated. At Sunday tea, she once asked the table: "would you like an Ecc-les cake?" There was a pause. Then she said: "I know some people call them Eccles cakes. But I say Ecc-les cakes." There's no arguing with that.0 -
Excellent! Soon we will have the 1983 Labour manifesto in full, courtesy of a Tory government...surbiton said:
Some Tory said privately that if the Lords plays funny then the HoL will be abolished.chestnut said:
Committing hari-kiri.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: LabLords leader Baroness Smith: "Lords, as always, will challenge/scrutinise legislation put before us; if necessary will pass amendments"..
@faisalislam: B. Smith: "we will not be cowed by threats of abolition or flooding place with 100s of new Tory Peers. stakes too high & we'll do our duty.”
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Depends who takes over as Speaker.SouthamObserver said:If Bercow has to leave Commons at the end of his time as Speaker, the government will surely back the motion of no confidence as it will lead to its majority increasing following a by-election in Buckingham.
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Mr. L, we may be able to find out the truth of that statement.
Mr. kle4, you could argue that if he were thrown overboard it would strongly reinforce the importance of neutrality and not wading into partisan politics.0 -
Ken Clarke! Immense experience of government and opposition, not a party automaton, widely respected, and retiring in 2020 so a perfect stop gap Speaker.AlastairMeeks said:
Are they going to unveil anyone who isn't a headbanging Eurosceptic?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
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That would depend how partisan the process of selecting a replacement was.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, we may be able to find out the truth of that statement.
Mr. kle4, you could argue that if he were thrown overboard it would strongly reinforce the importance of neutrality and not wading into partisan politics.0 -
LEAVE won the referendum by a million votes...surbiton said:
Screw the government. If there is a motion of NC, then even winning by one vote will be legitimate.Philip_Thompson said:
The Speaker should surely have the confidence of the whole house. If he wins the no confidence vote but with a clearly-divided house then he should follow Thatcher's footsteps and resign..Scott_P said:0 -
No it won't not when the Speaker is supposed to be a non-partisan position supported [and opposed] equally by both sides.surbiton said:
Screw the government. If there is a motion of NC, then even winning by one vote will be legitimate.Philip_Thompson said:
The Speaker should surely have the confidence of the whole house. If he wins the no confidence vote but with a clearly-divided house then he should follow Thatcher's footsteps and resign..Scott_P said:
Would you find it equally legitimate if Bercow retires next year as scheduled and is replaced by a very partisan Tory - say David Davis perhaps - who proceeds to be a pro-government partisan through his entire period but commands the support of a majority plus one of Parliament entirely drawn from the government benches?
Partisan speakers would inevitably go down the route of being pro-government speakers as it is the government that commands the majority of the Commons. Are you serious that you find that acceptable?0 -
Bercow's most ardent support comes from the SNP. They relish his shameless tomfoolery.DavidL said:The motion tonight surely has no chance of passing. But if less than half the House votes to oppose the motion Bercow's position is surely untenable. A Speaker cannot survive on partisan support.
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I'm very happy to be in the same camp as JackW on this one.Casino_Royale said:
You were totally wrong about Bercow, and David Herdson absolutely right.AlastairMeeks said:
Are they going to unveil anyone who isn't a headbanging Eurosceptic?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Here we go: Alec Shelbrooke: "I will put my name to any document. John Bercow has brought the Speaker's office into disrepute."
A period of silence from you on the subject of the Speaker would be appropriate.
It was outrageous for the government to offer a state visit to Donald Trump without consulting with any of the potentially interested parties on whose behalf it was issuing the invitation. Outrageous and inept.0 -
That seems worst of both worlds - he's still there but the Tories cannot pretend they are not his enemy now and he will subtly act accordingly.Scott_P said:0 -
The partisanship is being brought by the government - so leave that shit out! Bercow criticised Trump and correctly. He is a hero.Philip_Thompson said:
No it won't not when the Speaker is supposed to be a non-partisan position supported [and opposed] equally by both sides.surbiton said:
Screw the government. If there is a motion of NC, then even winning by one vote will be legitimate.Philip_Thompson said:
The Speaker should surely have the confidence of the whole house. If he wins the no confidence vote but with a clearly-divided house then he should follow Thatcher's footsteps and resign..Scott_P said:
Would you find it equally legitimate if Bercow retires next year as scheduled and is replaced by a very partisan Tory - say David Davis perhaps - who proceeds to be a pro-government partisan through his entire period but commands the support of a majority plus one of Parliament entirely drawn from the government benches?
Partisan speakers would inevitably go down the route of being pro-government speakers as it is the government that commands the majority of the Commons. Are you serious that you find that acceptable?0 -
It won't affect the majority either way as the three Deputy Speakers are chosen so that one is from the Speaker's former party and the other two from the other side of the House.David_Evershed said:
Depends who takes over as Speaker.SouthamObserver said:If Bercow has to leave Commons at the end of his time as Speaker, the government will surely back the motion of no confidence as it will lead to its majority increasing following a by-election in Buckingham.
So if a Labour MP other than Natascha Engel or Lindsay Hoyle is chosen as Speaker, at most one of those two could remain a Deputy Speaker.0 -
No it won't since the Speaker is cancelled out in not voting by a non-voting Deputy Speaker from the party that the Speaker was not elected from.SouthamObserver said:If Bercow has to leave Commons at the end of his time as Speaker, the government will surely back the motion of no confidence as it will lead to its majority increasing following a by-election in Buckingham.
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Morris_Dancer - but Porche is Dr Porche's name. You wouldn't correct a person's way of saying his own name?0
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