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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Pro Trump state visit petition now gets its first mention on BBC website
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38805196
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Can someone please get a message to Peter Bone and tell him, as a priority, to stop wearing that fashion crime against humanity of a Grassroots Out! tie?

    I am, at this very moment, imagining a note being passed along the benches to the Bonester!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    What's the penis count in this polyamory? Unless it's more than one, it's a harem.
    The best website on the internet for political insight and analysis.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited January 2017
    This will be the wrong sort of something to some

    "President Trump will continue to enforce President Obama's 2014 executive order protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination while working as federal contractors, the White House announced Tuesday.

    "President Donald J. Trump is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community. President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of LGBTQ rights, just as he was throughout the election," the White House announced in a statement.

    "The President is proud to have been the first ever GOP nominee to mention the LGBTQ community in his nomination acceptance speech, pledging then to protect the community from violence and oppression," it said.

    The order was the first time the federal government issued explicit protections for federal workers based on their gender identity."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2613444/
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited January 2017
    Brom said:

    You'd think at 38 he might want a few more years in parliament, but he'll probably get some cushy job at a think tank. At least he got to date Isabel Hardman.
    Woodcock-Hardman...what a delicious pairing
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2017
    malcolmg said:

    Typical Tory, wishing people to be made unemployed , and all from your tax exile. Repugnant.
    Commander in Chief bases his personal fleet at Prestwick.
    C'mon, that's too easy to bat away with "how many proper jobs could £40m have created".

    Very poor insult by your usually high standard, too.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    SeanT said:

    I think he's both, the reason he's sometimes five moves ahead of everyone else is because he's approaching politics in a totally different way, his own way, with his own rules, and this is because he doesn't know or care how normal politics works.

    Hence the sometimes horrific blunders, which he shrugs off, and the weirdly clever moves, which blindside everyone else
    Yes, I'd agree with that. Though it'll almost certainly end badly if he doesn't care (and I don't think he does, though that might just be show) unless he can keep a lot of the public onside. If he can do that, the other politicos will be terrified that their own position is under threat from a force they don't understand and will run with him for fear of the alternative; if he can't, they'll eat him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Petition in favour of Trump state visit at

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    95,000 so far.

    The signature map for that is ever so slightly different from the Other One.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    dr_spyn said:
    Didn't cause many problems for our current Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.
  • Can someone please get a message to Peter Bone and tell him, as a priority, to stop wearing that fashion crime against humanity of a Grassroots Out! tie?

    Best get the message sent via Mrs Bone.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    edited January 2017

    Tell me, when did MPs change from representatives into delegates? If this had applied 50 years ago, the UK would have remained a place where murderers and spies were hung, abortions were banned and homosexuals were jailed.
    They remain representatives. But just like the man who originally made the distinction between delegate and representative they also have to accept the consequences when they lose their seats at the GE that will inevitably follow hard on a Government defeat.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,839
    Toms said:

    This is all too complicated for me. If the Russians wanted to influence things wouldn't they want Trump to visit the UK?

    He will come of course.
    The pro-Trump petition does contain some classic tells that it was written by a Russian speaker.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited January 2017
    malcolmg said:

    Typical Tory, wishing people to be made unemployed , and all from your tax exile. Repugnant.
    Commander in Chief bases his personal fleet at Prestwick.
    Afternoon Malc! :smiley:

    Things seem to be kicking off now... ;)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2017

    Yes, old hat, but can't resist anagrams.
    'Aye, Mrs Hate'
    or
    'Shy Tea Mare'
    Sean Thomas becomes "seaman shot", which apart from the wrong homophone seems apposite.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    Working at Starbucks is not a blue collar job. If all Trump can offer at the end of four years is more jobs in coffee shops he will be blown away if his voter suppression campaigns have not been successful.

    Yes, the reaction against his failure to deliver anything of economic substance in terms of blue collar wage growth whilst promoting policies to enrich the 1% including himself will be what cuts through. I don't think that even he believes his anti-Muslim, anti-refugee agenda, rather it's part of an approach beloved of right wing demagogues to single out an enemy within and abroad to hide their own domestic failings. And even then, following a policy to "Make America Hated Again" might have limited public appeal, although it might usefully (to him) increase the security threat to the US as a result of which the issue will remain in the public eye.

    Over four years the US electorate will eventually spot that the Emperor is wearing no clothes. His approval ratings are already the worst for the honeymoon period of any incoming President and they're only going to go in one direction.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    Mortimer said:

    I am, at this very moment, imagining a note being passed along the benches to the Bonester!
    Lurid green? It's wrong on so many levels.

    I thought we'd seen the back of that at the end of June last year.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,725

    Ah, but my genes will survive, in the persons of my children and grandchildren, all of whom (at least those qualified tio vote) are, I’m happy to say, are Remainers.

    I don’t much loike your books, either! LOL
    Sean might usefully meditate on Matthew 24 36-44, methinks.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    SeanT said:

    How much of this is Russian cyber-manipulation and email hacking, etc, to engineer a Le Pen victory? One has to ask.
    The betting point being that Putin probably has something on Macron and the others as well.

    And also on Theresa May.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Yes, I'd agree with that. Though it'll almost certainly end badly if he doesn't care (and I don't think he does, though that might just be show) unless he can keep a lot of the public onside. If he can do that, the other politicos will be terrified that their own position is under threat from a force they don't understand and will run with him for fear of the alternative; if he can't, they'll eat him.
    So why did both the Republicans and Democrats put up such dreadful candidates in their primaries?

    And, no, I don't think Sanders would have been any better. Rubio came across as the best of the worst, but was clearly inexperienced and a bit robotic.

    A nation of 300m. Trump and Hillary were it.

    Jesus.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2017

    The betting point being that Putin probably has something on Macron and the others as well.

    And also on Theresa May.
    I can't imagine St Theresa having ever done anything wrong. Teresa May, on the other hand...
  • The signature map for that is ever so slightly different from the Other One.

    But in every constituency - it seems - far more people have signed the petition about Trump not getting a state visit.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,839

    So why did both the Republicans and Democrats put up such dreadful candidates in their primaries.
    The Democrats were hobbled by the Clinton machine, but the Republicans had what they thought was possibly the strongest field they'd ever assembled.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,725

    Andouillette (sp?)

    I ordered it by mistake once. The waitress (obviously seeing through my execrable French) did try to talk me out of it, but I felt committed by then. I told myself the honour of my nation was at stake and that anything a frog-eating Frenchman could eat, an Englishman could eat. Eugh. Luckily it came coated in a thick sauce so I couldn't actually see what I was putting in my mouth which helped. And I didn't throw up. But never again.
    Andouillette ? Still brings me out in a cold sweat.
    My wife once ordered it, similarly in error, and chivalry compelled me to swap for my dish of something delicious. I too preserved national honour.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    So why did both the Republicans and Democrats put up such dreadful candidates in their primaries?

    And, no, I don't think Sanders would have been any better. Rubio came across as the best of the worst, but was clearly inexperienced and a bit robotic.

    A nation of 300m. Trump and Hillary were it.

    Jesus.
    Clarence Darrow: When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. I’m beginning to believe it.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2017

    So why did both the Republicans and Democrats put up such dreadful candidates in their primaries?

    And, no, I don't think Sanders would have been any better. Rubio came across as the best of the worst, but was clearly inexperienced and a bit robotic.

    A nation of 300m. Trump and Hillary were it.

    Jesus.
    Foot, Kinnock, IDS, Hague, Corbyn. Admittedly a smaller pool to trawl, but there's still an element of pot and kettle about such criticism. The lunatic Brown even made it to PM.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Anorak said:

    I can't imagine St Theresa having ever done anything wrong. Teresa May, on the other hand...
    Mrs May has never done anything wrong. She has the perfect reputation. She is loyal to her family, daughter of a vicar, never sworn. Just the perfect temperament for a PM.I know people who know her personally and have done for 30 years. No flies on her as they say.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,480
    Mr. Glenn, the perils of having both too few and too many candidates.
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    Dixie said:

    Mrs May has never done anything wrong. She has the perfect reputation. She is loyal to her family, daughter of a vicar, never sworn. Just the perfect temperament for a PM.I know people who know her personally and have done for 30 years. No flies on her as they say.
    I think you need to pay closer attention to his spelling of the forename ;)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Lurid green? It's wrong on so many levels.

    I thought we'd seen the back of that at the end of June last year.
    Peter Bone is a bit behind the times though!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Lurid green? It's wrong on so many levels.

    I thought we'd seen the back of that at the end of June last year.
    It is horrendous.

    I'm conversely just having pleasant memories of Eric Forth's tremendous ties.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    But in every constituency - it seems - far more people have signed the petition about Trump not getting a state visit.

    So what?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Article 50 Bill now
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    It was the British people who delivered a Brexit majority.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Stoke is the really big one. If Labour loses that to UKIP there is no hiding place. Likewise, if UKIP does not take Stoke it's hard to see how it can ever win. By contrast, a Tory win in Copeland will merely confirm what we already know: as long as Corbyn leads Labour the Tories are guaranteed a huge majority at the GE. Stoke is existential for two parties. Copeland isn't.

    I expect Labour to lose both.

    Reports on Vote UK forum suggest Labour is becoming more confident of holding Stoke.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    PlatoSaid said:

    This will be the wrong sort of something to some

    "President Trump will continue to enforce President Obama's 2014 executive order protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination while working as federal contractors, the White House announced Tuesday.

    "President Donald J. Trump is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community. President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of LGBTQ rights, just as he was throughout the election," the White House announced in a statement.

    "The President is proud to have been the first ever GOP nominee to mention the LGBTQ community in his nomination acceptance speech, pledging then to protect the community from violence and oppression," it said.

    The order was the first time the federal government issued explicit protections for federal workers based on their gender identity."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2613444/

    Yes, Trump is sui generis. He is not a right-wing and/or religious Republican. On many issues, he will probably have socially liberal New York views: LGBTQ, abortion, gun control and so on -- or at least will not care much either way. His advisers, perhaps, not so much. The Donald is not Ted Cruz.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,839
    I think some Brexiteers see the upcoming state visit as a symbolic passing of the torch - there's only room for one head of state in the Anglosphere Republic.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    Mr Observer,


    "But in every constituency - it seems - far more people have signed the petition about Trump not getting a state visit"

    Several reasons for that, as I'm sure you know. A head start by the easily offended, more enthusiasm for useless protests by the easily offended. and more time on their hands by the easily offended.

    But good to see that you haven't suggested it's because the pro-Trump supporters have problems with joined-up writing.

    And yes, the ban is a bonkers idea hastily cobbled together, but that is my subjective opinion. Other opinions are available.

  • justin124 said:

    Reports on Vote UK forum suggest Labour is becoming more confident of holding Stoke.
    I would be surprised if labour failed to hold he seat. I am not at all confident that Nuttall will attract sufficient support
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    The wonderful Nusrat Ghani introduces the Bill. House of Commons is electric.
  • The wonderful Nusrat Ghani introduces the Bill. House of Commons is electric.

    She is lovely - Philip Davies seemed a lone voice
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    The wonderful Nusrat Ghani introduces the Bill. House of Commons is electric.

    Oh shit, no she didn't. Being dumb.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: Alex Salmond up on his feet and already referring to Trump - they are 'desperate' to do a deal because 'in position of such weakness'
  • Salmon talking about people being despite to do a deal with trump...kettle black pot calling...
  • Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Alex Salmond up on his feet and already referring to Trump - they are 'desperate' to do a deal because 'in position of such weakness'

    You have summed up Salmond perfectly - desperate
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711

    The betting point being that Putin probably has something on Macron and the others as well.

    And also on Theresa May.
    And now Le Pen is in hot water too!

    Marine Le Pen on Tuesday must repay €298,000 to the European Parliament or see her MEP salary slashed in half, following allegations the French far-right leader misused funds.

    EU authorities are seeking to recover a total of €340,000 from the far-right leader, who is a lawmaker in the European Parliament but also a leading presidential candidate in France’s upcoming presidential election.

    The EU Parliament is seeking to recover the funds after accusing two of Le Pen’s parliamentary assistants of in fact working for her National Front party back home.

    A first letter sent to Le Pen demands she repay the sum of €298,497.87 by January 31, for salaries paid to Catherine Griset, who worked as a parliamentary assistant from December 2010 to February 2016.

    In a report last year, the European Anti-Fraud Office (OLAF) made light of the fact that while Griset’s contract stipulates her workplace as the EU Parliament’s headquarters in Brussels, she was “unable to prove that she continually resided in Belgium” nor that she was “regularly present at her place of work”.

    OLAF also pointed out that Griset held a “recognised position” at the National Front’s headquarters in the suburbs of Paris during her time as a parliamentary assistant.

    A second letter sent to Le Pen seeks to recover an additional €41,554 by February 28, for wages paid to her bodyguard Thierry Légier.

    If she fails to repay the European body, Le Pen could see her MEP salary cut by 50 percent, according to several sources cited by French newspapers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    I want to do things to Nusrat Ghani that'd make SeanT blush.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited January 2017

    But in every constituency - it seems - far more people have signed the petition about Trump not getting a state visit.

    Because it has been up longer and trumpeted by every news outlet going for 2 days and been used as another outlet for Remoaner grief. For a pro Trump petition to get almost 100 000 signatures in less than 24 hours with virtually no publicity until now and in the face of relentlessly anti Trump headlines from the UK media is not something to be dismissed lightly
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    The wonderful Nusrat Ghani introduces the Bill. House of Commons is electric.

    Speaking of wonderful MPs, did the Commons microphones yesterday pick up an MP saying she has lovely hair when Rushanara Ali was called?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    100,000 signatures reached! (inlcuding mine)

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    "Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom"
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    [Off-topic] I've just collected an Ebay order from Argos. Looking at the packaging, I can see it was sent there by Amazon.
  • I want to do things to Nusrat Ghani that'd make SeanT blush.

    Have a cold shower, you're a married man.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Speaking of wonderful MPs, did the Commons microphones yesterday pick up an MP saying she has lovely hair when Rushanara Ali was called?
    Not my type, to be fair.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Alex Salmond up on his feet and already referring to Trump - they are 'desperate' to do a deal because 'in position of such weakness'

    Hell hath no fury like a roly poly loser scorned.
  • AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    I think some Brexiteers see the upcoming state visit as a symbolic passing of the torch - there's only room for one head of state in the Anglosphere Republic.

    Sounds to me like you are in need of a nice cup of tea and a lie down in a darkened room, perhaps for the next 4-8 years ;)
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    I'm made of tougher stuff than you think.

    I'm not worried about you! Judging by some contemporaries it seems to get very complicated very quickly, with all manner of jealousies to contend with.

    Still, takes all sorts etc.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Ed West
    this strikes me as quite a sinister development, pressuring businesses to take official views on political issues https://t.co/W4TuxKJOiT https://t.co/GP9jN3IDit
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited January 2017

    [Off-topic] I've just collected an Ebay order from Argos. Looking at the packaging, I can see it was sent there by Amazon.

    It is quite a common trick. People sell co-list on both sites and used Amazon (fulfilled by) warehouse space* OR they sell on eBay and buy it cheaper on Amazon.

    * what they do is have two companies, one sells via Amazon and one via eBay. Then when they sell an item on ebay, company number buys from company one in your behath, which obviously allows then to.makr use of Amazon distribution.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    GeoffM said:

    100,000 signatures reached! (inlcuding mine)

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    "Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom"

    That means Parliament has to now consider it in a debate
  • Keir Starmer struggling to come to terms with his split party
  • Given that President Trump seems, to the surprise of many, to be set on doing what he said he would do, I think that we have to assume that changes to corporate taxation to encourage US companies to re-shore manufacturing are very much on the cards. In practice, that might well mean the "border-adjusted" corporate tax proposal put forward by some Republican congressmen. The effect would be similar to imposing a 20%+ tariff on imports, without actually being a tariff as such.

    There's a good explanation here:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/21/tax-changes-taxing-imports-plan-has-chance-of-passing.html

    The international ramifications of such a change to the US tax system would be immense. For a start, it would probably mean a US-UK trade deal would be of little help to us. It could also trigger a worldwide trade war, with the EU and other countries similarly putting up protectionist barriers.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Farage on Loose Women was entertaining as usual. Sat next to Katie Price who was struggling to keep up with the political discussion!
  • Keir Starmer struggling to come to terms with his split party

    He is to be fair doing well
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    SeanT said:

    What first attracted you to millionaire thriller writer S K Tremayne who also gets free luxury travel around the world where he's allowed to bring companions?
    Quite, to misquote Mrs Merton
  • Have a cold shower, you're a married man.
    And, more to the point, she's a married woman!
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Labour moving from denial to regret?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    HYUFD said:

    That means Parliament has to now consider it in a debate
    No - has to consider it for a debate. Big difference. Parliament have already discussed whether Trump should be banned from the UK.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ed West
    this strikes me as quite a sinister development, pressuring businesses to take official views on political issues https://t.co/W4TuxKJOiT https://t.co/GP9jN3IDit

    Hold on. Surely America is the spiritual home of corporate political donations!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited January 2017

    It is quite a common trick. People sell co-list on both sites and used Amazon (fulfilled by) warehouse space* OR they sell on eBay and buy it cheaper on Amazon.

    * what they do is have two companies, one sells via Amazon and one via eBay. Then when they sell an item on ebay, company number buys from company one in your behath, which obviously allows then to.makr use of Amazon distribution.
    Thanks. I'd not known this. Clearly I am not cut out to be an ecommerce entrepreneur.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    HYUFD said:

    That means Parliament has to now consider it in a debate
    What is the point in forcing a debate on something that the Prime Minister has said will happen??

    I can understand people petitioning for a debate to reverse the decision, but petitioning the government to debate something it has already decided to do seems a little pointless.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Starmer refusing to give way - also speaking verrryyyy slowly
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    HYUFD said:

    Quite, to misquote Mrs Merton
    Don't tell him that we all have 7 girlfriends under 26 and are not so decrepit as to need a day off every week...
  • Thanks. I'd not known this.
    I have got to guess that Amazon know and don't care.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    MattW said:

    Don't tell him that we all have 7 girlfriends under 26 and are not so decrepit as to need a day off every week...
    Will try to keep that quiet
  • And, more to the point, she's a married woman!
    Indeed, speaking not from experience, sleeping with other married women gets you into trouble.

    So instead of a pissed off wife at home to deal with, you've got a pissed off cuckolded husband to deal with as well.

    If you're ever going to have an affair, have it with a woman who is single.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    On topic: my other half is a voter in the Copeland by-election. More than Brexit he is exercised by the National Grid's proposals to build gigantic pylons across the Duddon Estuary on the edge of the Lake District National Park.

    Unless the Tories - specifically the Energy Minister - are prepared to explain to the National Grid that the relevant guidance - which required the Grid to take account of the effect of any building on areas within the National Park, which this proposal would since it is on the edge and highly visible within the Park and would thus ruin its setting, then it doesn't matter if Theresa May personally comes round and hands over gold bars to him. He will be voting for the Greens in this by-election.

    Not desecrating a beautiful area (and the alternative is putting the pylons underground as they are proposing to do along the rest of the route) is far more important to him than Brexit.

    Given how small Labour's majority was and given how many people in the affected area are up in arms about this proposal, this could make the difference between the Tories winning or not this seat.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited January 2017
    BudG said:

    What is the point in forcing a debate on something that the Prime Minister has said will happen??

    I can understand people petitioning for a debate to reverse the decision, but petitioning the government to debate something it has already decided to do seems a little pointless.
    As it means the Committee has to consider the support for the counter argument in the debate on banning the State Visit, now the pro Trump petition has crossed the 100 000 threshold that will happen
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    And, more to the point, she's a married woman!
    Spoilsports.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    SeanT said:

    Gotta play to your strengths.

    ... that said, there are quite a few young women who simply *like* older guys. A happy discovery.
    like older 'rich' guys you mean...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    Notts LibDems and Greens have agreed not to oppose each other in certain divisions in the County election. I wonder if this will be replicated elsewhere?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Indeed, speaking not from experience, sleeping with other married women gets you into trouble.

    So instead of a pissed off wife at home to deal with, you've got a pissed off cuckolded husband to deal with as well.

    If you're ever going to have an affair, have it with a woman who is single.
    SeanT said:

    Er... I just googled Nusrat Ghani

    Really?
    Yes!! (Expect I have Richard and TSE policing my harmless fantasies)
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    SeanT said:

    Er... I just googled Nusrat Ghani

    Really?
    Married to David Wheeldon; MP for Wealden. Are there any other MPs with rhyming spouses and constituencies?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    weejonnie said:

    No - has to consider it for a debate. Big difference. Parliament have already discussed whether Trump should be banned from the UK.
    Not whether he should come on a State Visit though
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Indeed, speaking not from experience, sleeping with other married women gets you into trouble.

    So instead of a pissed off wife at home to deal with, you've got a pissed off cuckolded husband to deal with as well.

    If you're ever going to have an affair, have it with a woman who is single.
    But then she might not want to stay single, which would complicate things.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    The real negotiating position

    Trump Administration Grants Waiver Allowing 872 Refugees Into The U.S. https://t.co/LzSB7zYYy2
  • The shaking heads Ken Clarke is getting from his fellow conservatives is not surprising
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795

    Notts LibDems and Greens have agreed not to oppose each other in certain divisions in the County election. I wonder if this will be replicated elsewhere?

    Sounds like two bald men agreeing not to fight over a comb.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    SeanT said:

    Gotta play to your strengths.

    ... that said, there are quite a few young women who simply *like* older guys. A happy discovery.
    Indeed as Sugardaddys.com shows
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Given that President Trump seems, to the surprise of many, to be set on doing what he said he would do, I think that we have to assume that changes to corporate taxation to encourage US companies to re-shore manufacturing are very much on the cards. In practice, that might well mean the "border-adjusted" corporate tax proposal put forward by some Republican congressmen. The effect would be similar to imposing a 20%+ tariff on imports, without actually being a tariff as such.

    There's a good explanation here:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/21/tax-changes-taxing-imports-plan-has-chance-of-passing.html

    The international ramifications of such a change to the US tax system would be immense. For a start, it would probably mean a US-UK trade deal would be of little help to us. It could also trigger a worldwide trade war, with the EU and other countries similarly putting up protectionist barriers.

    We could be about to find out if the world needs the US as much as the US thinks it does.

    A big moment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    The shaking heads Ken Clarke is getting from his fellow conservatives is not surprising

    I expect Hoey or Field will get the same results on the Labour benches if they speak
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Oh God. Ken Clarke's going to be here a while isn't he.
  • HYUFD said:

    Because it has been up longer and trumpeted by every news outlet going for 2 days and been used as another outlet for Remoaner grief. For a pro Trump petition to get almost 100 000 signatures in less than 24 hours with virtually no publicity until now and in the face of relentlessly anti Trump headlines from the UK media is not something to be dismissed lightly

    Hmmm - the no state visit petition only started to get coverage as a result of the signatures it had got.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited January 2017
    Cyclefree said:

    On topic: my other half is a voter in the Copeland by-election. More than Brexit he is exercised by the National Grid's proposals to build gigantic pylons across the Duddon Estuary on the edge of the Lake District National Park.

    Unless the Tories - specifically the Energy Minister - are prepared to explain to the National Grid that the relevant guidance - which required the Grid to take account of the effect of any building on areas within the National Park, which this proposal would since it is on the edge and highly visible within the Park and would thus ruin its setting, then it doesn't matter if Theresa May personally comes round and hands over gold bars to him. He will be voting for the Greens in this by-election.

    Not desecrating a beautiful area (and the alternative is putting the pylons underground as they are proposing to do along the rest of the route) is far more important to him than Brexit.

    Given how small Labour's majority was and given how many people in the affected area are up in arms about this proposal, this could make the difference between the Tories winning or not this seat.

    Having phoned in Copeland that issue was not raised once, Brexit was. Richmond was supposed to back Zac on Heathrow it ended up dumping him on Brexit. We will see but I can't see pylons dominating the major issue of the age and of course a vote for the Greens is no use to Labour
  • Married to David Wheeldon; MP for Wealden. Are there any other MPs with rhyming spouses and constituencies?

    At the hustings where we were choosing from the shortlist, she used that very effectively. There had been a bit of a mess-up over her name, and some criticism that she was trying to exploit it. She opened her speech by turning this round: "As you may know, my married name is Wheeldon. When I announced that I would be applying to be the candidate here, my mother-in-law was ecstatic: 'Darling, this seat is made for you!'. Talk about being put under pressure!'
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,365
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed as Sugardaddys.com shows
    Just don't go to prisonbabes.com

    (fx: checks)

    Darned, it no longer exists. Twenty-odd years ago when I was doing Internet stuff, there was an American website that allowed you to correspond with women in American prisons. A customer complained it was not loading properly, so we all had a look. ;)

    One fairly attractive woman was in for life, for murder. Her marital status was 'widowed'.

    It did not take much to connect the dots on that case ...
  • Ken going very red in the face and losing his voice
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gabyhinsliff: Politics teachers alert; this Ken Clarke swansong speech is just asking to be the basis of a lesson on representative democracy.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    Given that President Trump seems, to the surprise of many, to be set on doing what he said he would do, I think that we have to assume that changes to corporate taxation to encourage US companies to re-shore manufacturing are very much on the cards. In practice, that might well mean the "border-adjusted" corporate tax proposal put forward by some Republican congressmen. The effect would be similar to imposing a 20%+ tariff on imports, without actually being a tariff as such.

    There's a good explanation here:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/21/tax-changes-taxing-imports-plan-has-chance-of-passing.html

    The international ramifications of such a change to the US tax system would be immense. For a start, it would probably mean a US-UK trade deal would be of little help to us. It could also trigger a worldwide trade war, with the EU and other countries similarly putting up protectionist barriers.

    That's going to take a while, and may run into WTO issues; interesting, though. Far more interesting are the proposals to force US companies to on-shore manufacturing by removing tax allowability of production costs of items sold in the US but produced overseas. That could be done quickly, and without recourse to any international bodies.
  • PBc ers should beware becoming a group of Norms and Cliffs, living their lives vicariously through the dissolute Sam Malone.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,704
    Good point, Ken.

    Never been forced to vote with the government, when in opposition.

    That's the crux.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    PlatoSaid said:

    The real negotiating position

    Trump Administration Grants Waiver Allowing 872 Refugees Into The U.S. https://t.co/LzSB7zYYy2

    I think this may be fake news in the first sentence:

    "Having backtracked on its proposal to ban green card holders from 7 mostly Muslim countries"

    Was there a proposal to ban Green Card holders?
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