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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Does anyone who's not whooping like mad in support of Trump believe that comparisons with other fascist dictatorships are inapposite? Consider the infrastructure needed to find 11 million illegal immigrants, detain them, transport them, and deport them within two years, as Trump has promised. The estimated cost is in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Makes sense to make the suckers labour to pay for the scheme, right?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,731
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    Never been convinced that sponsored holidays (aka gap year students building schools in nice parts of impoverished countries) really counts, but it's a start I suppose

    [I was doing some digging through the archives the other day, and came across a letter which strongly suggests that we had an employee transported to Australia for getting married without permission...]
    Recent archives ?
    :-)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,130
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    Never been convinced that sponsored holidays (aka gap year students building schools in nice parts of impoverished countries) really counts, but it's a start I suppose

    [I was doing some digging through the archives the other day, and came across a letter which strongly suggests that we had an employee transported to Australia for getting married without permission...]
    Whose permission - his wife's?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Dromedary said:

    The US dictator's office has said that sacked Attorney General Sally Yates

    "has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States."

    "Betrayed"

    You use ‘dictator’ then quibble over the term ‘betrayed’ ? – Oh the Irony… :lol:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
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    Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited January 2017
    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,130
    Jonathan said:

    8 May : David Attenborough Day.
    18 June: McCartney Day
    5 July : NHS Day
    18 October: BBC day

    A public holiday seems rather inadequate to remember David Attenborough. I propose we rename Scotland to memorialise him instead.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Cernovich delivery style is a trifle wearing for me, but he makes some excellent points re how the media are trying to make the agenda. It's exactly the same tactics here.

    https://www.periscope.tv/w/a18UjzFvTmpseEdOSnBqd1J8MXlOR2FkZ3JZV3FLavnAMihsWFSoDrbpY8hGfMOj8ds37sepBzRsgTnzCEX-
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    glw said:

    Maybe Amazon who have similar tax issues should hire a load too.

    Amazon have no tax issues, they don't make a profit in any country.
    Oh I know that, but they have the same sort of tax related PR issues as Starbucks. Announcing they will hire some refugees might improve their image similarly.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited January 2017
    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017

    Dromedary said:

    The US dictator's office has said that sacked Attorney General Sally Yates

    "has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States."

    "Betrayed"

    You use ‘dictator’ then quibble over the term ‘betrayed’ ? – Oh the Irony… :lol:
    I wasn't quibbling over it. It expresses the attitude of Trump and his camarilla extremely well.

    While we are on betrayal, many seem to have forgotten the Steele dossier.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    The voters won't hear about the vote unless the government lose it, and if the government lose it the story will be about their backbench rebellion.
    Tell me, when did MPs change from representatives into delegates? If this had applied 50 years ago, the UK would have remained a place where murderers and spies were hung, abortions were banned and homosexuals were jailed.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    If you want something in summer, Constantine was made emperor in York on 26 July, I think.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Marcus Furius Camillus was a much better dictator.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    edited January 2017
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    Peak bragging :}
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    The voters won't hear about the vote unless the government lose it, and if the government lose it the story will be about their backbench rebellion.
    Tell me, when did MPs change from representatives into delegates? If this had applied 50 years ago, the UK would have remained a place where murderers and spies were hung, abortions were banned and homosexuals were jailed.
    When neither side can afford to lose a bunch of seats which have Remain supporting MPs but a heavy leave demographic. Its not about representatives into delegates, its about realpolitik.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    This sums up many of the protests

    Godfrey Elfwick
    When the next generation ask: what did YOU do when Trump came to power? I'll proudly say: "I called him a Nazi while dressed like a vagina."
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    glw said:

    glw said:

    Maybe Amazon who have similar tax issues should hire a load too.

    Amazon have no tax issues, they don't make a profit in any country.
    Oh I know that, but they have the same sort of tax related PR issues as Starbucks. Announcing they will hire some refugees might improve their image similarly.
    Its going to kill them in the mid west, Trump's team won't be able to believe their luck with this sort of right-on virtue signalling being sure to get right up the nose of the blue collar workers that might consider themselves in the running for those jobs, for bonus points the Democrats are associating themselves with this sort of action guaranteeing themselves no chance of recovery in the same areas.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Hmm. England 3.2 for the Grand Slam in the Six Nations with Ladbrokes. Value?

    Miss Plato, well, quite. If I were seriously anti-Trump, and a Yankee Doodle, I'd be focusing on the mid-terms and trying to stop Democrats come out with bullshit about shutting white people up.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,450
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
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    Its going to kill them in the mid west, Trump's team won't be able to believe their luck with this sort of right-on virtue signalling being sure to get right up the nose of the blue collar workers that might consider themselves in the running for those jobs, for bonus points the Democrats are associating themselves with this sort of action guaranteeing themselves no chance of recovery in the same areas.

    I might be wrong, but somehow I wouldn't expect that blue-collar workers in the mid-west are a particularly important demographic into which Starbucks hopes to sell skinny lattes and Caramel Frappuccinos®.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    glw said:

    glw said:

    Maybe Amazon who have similar tax issues should hire a load too.

    Amazon have no tax issues, they don't make a profit in any country.
    Oh I know that, but they have the same sort of tax related PR issues as Starbucks. Announcing they will hire some refugees might improve their image similarly.
    Its going to kill them in the mid west, Trump's team won't be able to believe their luck with this sort of right-on virtue signalling being sure to get right up the nose of the blue collar workers that might consider themselves in the running for those jobs, for bonus points the Democrats are associating themselves with this sort of action guaranteeing themselves no chance of recovery in the same areas.
    Trump will re-elected or not re-elected entirely on the back of the success or otherwise of his economic policies.

    If he is successful in bringing employment back to the Great Lakes region, and can do this without unbalancing the economy, then he will be rightfully re-elected.

    On the other hand, if his policies are seen to have benefited the 1% without improving the jobs prospects of those in the Midwest, then he will likely lose badly.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited January 2017
    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)
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    SeanT said:

    Interesting.

    "The City's top lobby group has performed a dramatic u-turn on Brexit, scrapping its previous campaign to remain in the EU and instead hailing the vote to leave as “unprecedented opportunity” for the UK to develop a powerful new set of trade and investment policies."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/31/city-lobby-group-comes-fighting-global-brexit-dramatic-u-turn/

    The big question is .... will TSE's employers react likewise and, although not City of London based, decide after all that their prospects are best served by remaining within the United Kingdom?

    You can do both, of course. That's what we will do.

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    Scott_P said:
    Probably worth a quid, along with around a further 100 hopefuls.
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    Hmm. England 3.2 for the Grand Slam in the Six Nations with Ladbrokes. Value?

    Miss Plato, well, quite. If I were seriously anti-Trump, and a Yankee Doodle, I'd be focusing on the mid-terms and trying to stop Democrats come out with bullshit about shutting white people up.

    Not value with our injuries.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,450

    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

    Yes. Conservative though I am by temperament it's easy to forget just how stuffy, stilted and oppressive social convention and the class system used to be in this country. Even 30 years ago.

    Whilst not enshrined in legislation, getting a job really did often used to be based on whether you went to the right school, and getting a mortgage dependent on both where you wanted to live and an interview with the bank manager, which was more like a job interview where your class and background could count heavily against you.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    Will Trump even come if he knows Farron won't be at the dinner?
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    glw said:

    glw said:

    Maybe Amazon who have similar tax issues should hire a load too.

    Amazon have no tax issues, they don't make a profit in any country.
    Oh I know that, but they have the same sort of tax related PR issues as Starbucks. Announcing they will hire some refugees might improve their image similarly.
    Its going to kill them in the mid west, Trump's team won't be able to believe their luck with this sort of right-on virtue signalling being sure to get right up the nose of the blue collar workers that might consider themselves in the running for those jobs, for bonus points the Democrats are associating themselves with this sort of action guaranteeing themselves no chance of recovery in the same areas.

    Working at Starbucks is not a blue collar job. If all Trump can offer at the end of four years is more jobs in coffee shops he will be blown away if his voter suppression campaigns have not been successful.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Nabavi, oh noes!

    Mr. Eagles, fair enough. Got to say I'm not fond of having a captain with disciplinary problems (not that I follow rugby very closely).
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    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    I suspect that statement is not for Trump's consumption ;-)

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

    To be serious, some organisations (though probably not as many as used to be the case) have rules about couples not being allowed to work in the same teams.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    He's at it again

    Donald J Trump
    When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Observer, does make me wonder if Corbyn will end up facing another leadership contest, and losing it.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

    To be serious, some organisations (though probably not as many as used to be the case) have rules about couples not being allowed to work in the same teams.
    Most have rules that couples can't be in the chain of command above each other (i.e. ability to influence career progression and compensation)
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Essexit said:

    SeanT said:

    So we now know the date at which we will, very likely, leave the EU entirely.

    March 9th 2019.


    Will this be the national day of jubilation, the official Brexit Bank Holiday, or will it be June 23rd, the date of the referendum? I prefer the latter, because it is summer.


    What do pb-ers think? What should be our July 4th, our Bastille Day? June 23rd looks good to me

    Americans celebrate the declaration of their independence rather than the fact of it, and June is a much nicer time of year as you say. March the 9th will be worth marking as well, but less so.
    Official holidays

    New Year (Jan 1st)
    Easter (Mar 23 - April 20th) X 2
    May Day
    Whitsun (End of May)
    August Bank Holiday (last Monday in August)
    XMas X 2

    Couldn't we have a special day when we leave - which is NOT a day of a week i.e. between March 9th and March 10th and one every leap year between June 22nd and June 23rd - again not an official day of the week.

    The advantage of this is that every date will always be on the same day of the week - so we would save a fortune in printing calenders.

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    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    NewsTaker said:

    DanSmith said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Starbucks has been attracting flak for saying they'll employ 10000 refugees.

    Understandably, many think they ought to take on USA citizens instead.

    Ben Page
    Most think employers should hire natives not immigrants - all over the world https://t.co/ERxQYP0rGQ #populism #populismo https://t.co/HNFto18Mc3

    Clever move from Starbucks imo, seen lots of my right on friends on Facebook who hate them for the tax issues praising them for this. Free PR and very effective PR at that.
    Bad move. Starbucks will lose a chunk of their customer base.
    And the FBI/ CIA etc will be continually checking to make sure that there are no illegals - and probably trying to entrap them into hiring them. The left have got to learn pretty quickly that the law enforcement in America is no longer pandering to their beliefs.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    And there's more

    FastFT
    Trump’s top trade adviser accuses Germany of currency exploitation https://t.co/YTFv18jxAX
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    John Woodcock is MP for Barrow so he's really going to struggle to justify that vote. I'm sure it won't escape the attention of those nextdoor in Copeland and could be used by the Tory campaign to suggest a Labour vote is a vote against triggering Article 50.

    Geraint Davies in Swansea and Ann Coffey in Sheffield were closer results and obviously hard to break down the vote into constituencies.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Another rat jumps ...
    ttps://twitter.com/rinka_dog/status/826375530706530304

    Isn’t Derek Hatton, the rat who only recently re-joined the sinking ship?
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    Fillon sounds like brown bread electorally, unless of course such a raid was wholly politically motivated ..... Heaven forfend, surely not.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited January 2017

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    1) Basically none.

    2) You can't

    Which is why no one in government appears to take them terribly seriously I would imagine. It gives the Twitterati somewhere to vent without actually changing anything, wins all around ;)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    The voters won't hear about the vote unless the government lose it, and if the government lose it the story will be about their backbench rebellion.
    Tell me, when did MPs change from representatives into delegates? If this had applied 50 years ago, the UK would have remained a place where murderers and spies were hung, abortions were banned and homosexuals were jailed.
    They became delegates when they put the question to the country. If they wanted to take the decision themselves, they should have done so in the first place.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    Although his ilk were happy to attend for Chinese President Xi. The country of Labour camps, dictatorship, no Internet and where people are not allowed to leave their own region, let alone travel abroad. Liberals hypocrites.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited January 2017

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    I'm not very expert either.
    This seems to be the anti-antiTrump petition.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    When you vote they take info. Your email address. Your postcode, if I remember. Then you must activate the vote through an email message they send. Maybe if youve got several email addresses you can cheat, but I don't know. You tell me.
    P/S I don't think you can express support on that petition itself.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
    *ahem*

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.
    It's certainly a great way to screw people up emotionally.
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    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

    To be serious, some organisations (though probably not as many as used to be the case) have rules about couples not being allowed to work in the same teams.
    I've found those rules to be fairly common.
    It's more to do with holiday cover etc.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,731
    Dromedary said:

    Does anyone who's not whooping like mad in support of Trump believe that comparisons with other fascist dictatorships are inapposite? Consider the infrastructure needed to find 11 million illegal immigrants, detain them, transport them, and deport them within two years, as Trump has promised. The estimated cost is in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Makes sense to make the suckers labour to pay for the scheme, right?

    Unlikely, I suspect. A US version of a Putin/Chavez style kleptocracy is much more plausible, as one conservative commentator suggests:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,027
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    So we now know the date at which we will, very likely, leave the EU entirely.

    March 9th 2019.


    Will this be the national day of jubilation, the official Brexit Bank Holiday, or will it be June 23rd, the date of the referendum? I prefer the latter, because it is summer.


    What do pb-ers think? What should be our July 4th, our Bastille Day? June 23rd looks good to me

    March is too close to Easter, so June is preferable.

    We really could do with one in October/November, though. Most inconsiderate of Dave to hold the referendum in June and Theresa to trigger Brexit in March. What were they both thinking?
    I genuinely sincerely think we should do this. Make Brexit Day a national holiday. We need a unifying holiday that isn't religious or royal (Mayday never really took off). Brexit is perfect.

    The Remoaners, until they get over it, can treat it like the Day of the Dead, and walk around in skeleton costumes, the rest of us can eat Helford rock oysters and drink lots of British fizz.
    Doesn't it strike you as deeply un-British though?
    We're building a NEW Britain. It needs NEW institutions. And NEW holidays.
    No we’re not. We’re trying to revive a world that has gone.

    Although I feel that the country has to make the best of a bad job, and I really hope it doesn’t turn out too badly, like many Remainers I think we’re making a terrible mistake.
    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Ah, but my genes will survive, in the persons of my children and grandchildren, all of whom (at least those qualified tio vote) are, I’m happy to say, are Remainers.

    I don’t much loike your books, either! LOL
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    PlatoSaid said:

    And there's more

    FastFT
    Trump’s top trade adviser accuses Germany of currency exploitation https://t.co/YTFv18jxAX

    He is sort-of right. The German Euro is undervalued; the Greek Euro overvalued. What is more interesting in the story is Trump's advisor also complains about German non-tariff barriers like their quaint insistence on high-quality food. That does not bode well for the terms of any UK/US deal.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Telegraph
    French parliament raided by investigators in Francois Fillon probe https://t.co/6tyWS3AcdC https://t.co/ksceBG8JL4
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Brom said:

    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    John Woodcock is MP for Barrow so he's really going to struggle to justify that vote. I'm sure it won't escape the attention of those nextdoor in Copeland and could be used by the Tory campaign to suggest a Labour vote is a vote against triggering Article 50.

    Geraint Davies in Swansea and Ann Coffey in Sheffield were closer results and obviously hard to break down the vote into constituencies.
    I imagine John Woodcock has decided to retire at the next election, so he doesn't care.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    Toms said:

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    I'm not very expert either.
    This seems to be the anti-antiTrump petition.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    When you vote they take info. Your email address. Your postcode, if I remember. Then you must activate the vote through an email message they send. Maybe if youve got several email addresses you can cheat, but I don't know. You tell me.
    P/S I don't think you can express support on that petition itself.
    Pulling email addresses out of thin air is quite straightforward these days. There are several services like https://www.guerrillamail.com/ around.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    glw said:

    glw said:

    Maybe Amazon who have similar tax issues should hire a load too.

    Amazon have no tax issues, they don't make a profit in any country.
    Oh I know that, but they have the same sort of tax related PR issues as Starbucks. Announcing they will hire some refugees might improve their image similarly.
    Its going to kill them in the mid west, Trump's team won't be able to believe their luck with this sort of right-on virtue signalling being sure to get right up the nose of the blue collar workers that might consider themselves in the running for those jobs, for bonus points the Democrats are associating themselves with this sort of action guaranteeing themselves no chance of recovery in the same areas.
    That was exactly my response when I saw the story. Those who think of themselves as left-behinds will just see themselves as even more left behind by big business whose actions are inimical to what they see as their interests.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Toms said:

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    I'm not very expert either.
    This seems to be the anti-antiTrump petition.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    When you vote they take info. Your email address. Your postcode, if I remember. Then you must activate the vote through an email message they send. Maybe if youve got several email addresses you can cheat, but I don't know. You tell me.
    P/S I don't think you can express support on that petition itself.
    Vladimir Putin just texted me to say that Fancy Bears have only one petition-signing email address, and no interest in influencing British politics, so that's all right then.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited January 2017

    Toms said:

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    I'm not very expert either.
    This seems to be the anti-antiTrump petition.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    When you vote they take info. Your email address. Your postcode, if I remember. Then you must activate the vote through an email message they send. Maybe if youve got several email addresses you can cheat, but I don't know. You tell me.
    P/S I don't think you can express support on that petition itself.
    Vladimir Putin just texted me to say that Fancy Bears have only one petition-signing email address, and no interest in influencing British politics, so that's all right then.
    This is all too complicated for me. If the Russians wanted to influence things wouldn't they want Trump to visit the UK?

    He will come of course.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    RoyalBlue said:

    Brom said:

    SeanT said:

    Blue_rog said:

    timmo said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Just noticed a wrecking amendment has been tabled against triggering article 50

    Is it by Tom Brake MP?

    Twitter link

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/826335442534555648/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
    Are they all in Remain constituencies? It would take a brave MP to do that, from a Leaver area.
    John Woodcock is MP for Barrow so he's really going to struggle to justify that vote. I'm sure it won't escape the attention of those nextdoor in Copeland and could be used by the Tory campaign to suggest a Labour vote is a vote against triggering Article 50.

    Geraint Davies in Swansea and Ann Coffey in Sheffield were closer results and obviously hard to break down the vote into constituencies.
    I imagine John Woodcock has decided to retire at the next election, so he doesn't care.
    You'd think at 38 he might want a few more years in parliament, but he'll probably get some cushy job at a think tank. At least he got to date Isabel Hardman.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    PlatoSaid said:

    And there's more

    FastFT
    Trump’s top trade adviser accuses Germany of currency exploitation https://t.co/YTFv18jxAX

    He is sort-of right. The German Euro is undervalued; the Greek Euro overvalued. What is more interesting in the story is Trump's advisor also complains about German non-tariff barriers like their quaint insistence on high-quality food. That does not bode well for the terms of any UK/US deal.
    Surely the US, UK and Canada eat the worst food in the world? The US possibly leads with plastic hormone-filled cheese and bland tasteless beer, plus corn syrup in everything instead of just cane sugar.

    If German food is 'high quality', that's extraordinary. Has he not visited France or Italy?
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    rcs1000 said:

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    Will Trump even come if he knows Farron won't be at the dinner?

    Fallon will be there and Trump will probably think he is the Lib Dem leader. So no problem.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    There'd be more cutlery in front of him than LD MPs - wise to opt out before making a fool... oops that ship sailed as well :)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    PlatoSaid said:

    He's at it again

    Donald J Trump
    When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!

    I remember that the first year of Obama's presidency, he sounded half-candidate and half-senator. Trump is still sounding half-candidate and half-TV personality.

    I'm still trying to work out if he's genuinely got no idea how politics works or whether he's five moves ahead of everyone.
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    Scott_P said:
    Probably worth a quid, along with around a further 100 hopefuls.

    Betting on 100 outsiders each at 100/1 does not sound like a winning strategy.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    felix said:

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    There'd be more cutlery in front of him than LD MPs - wise to opt out before making a fool... oops that ship sailed as well :)
    Probably old hat but I've just seen "Minor Fart" as a very appropriate anagram for our Timmy.
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    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    You can 'appose' it in one form here http://tinyurl.com/hbjac99, if you're not over delicate about putting your name to a crime against the English language.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    SeanT said:

    dr_spyn said:
    How much of this is Russian cyber-manipulation and email hacking, etc, to engineer a Le Pen victory? One has to ask.
    Well if the its rather harder to hack hardcopy paperwork such as invoices and receipts so I guess we will see.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2017
    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.

    It's certainly a great way to screw people up emotionally.
    I can't work out whether Sean is a narcissistic solipsist, or solipsistic narcissist.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
    *ahem*

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.
    What's the penis count in this polyamory? Unless it's more than one, it's a harem.
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    Not quite as harsh as transportation but when I started working for Barclay's in 1987 there was a guy in my branch who had worked for them for c 40 years.
    I recall him telling me about a memo that came round years ago from Head Office stating that that there had been a number of marriages concerning bank staff that hadn't sought the managers permission and that this practice must cease forthwith!

    To be serious, some organisations (though probably not as many as used to be the case) have rules about couples not being allowed to work in the same teams.
    I've found those rules to be fairly common.
    It's more to do with holiday cover etc.

    Married couples are a risk where collusion between two employees could authorise money transfer or open safes for example.

    I recall a national car hie company where the wages manager and the wages clerk ran off together with the company's monthly salary bill. They were just in amory rather than married though.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    And there's more

    FastFT
    Trump’s top trade adviser accuses Germany of currency exploitation https://t.co/YTFv18jxAX

    He is sort-of right. The German Euro is undervalued; the Greek Euro overvalued. What is more interesting in the story is Trump's advisor also complains about German non-tariff barriers like their quaint insistence on high-quality food. That does not bode well for the terms of any UK/US deal.
    Surely the US, UK and Canada eat the worst food in the world? The US possibly leads with plastic hormone-filled cheese and bland tasteless beer, plus corn syrup in everything instead of just cane sugar.

    If German food is 'high quality', that's extraordinary. Has he not visited France or Italy?
    I eat around the world for a living. German food is some of the worst on the planet. Like British food in the late 1970s. Banal, insipid, stodgy, flavourless. Too much meat. Horrible horrible pigswill.

    I did a press trip to the Rhineland a couple of years ago and some of the food was actually inedible (and these were meant to be "good" restaurants). What amazed me was that the Germans were proud of it! They didn't realise it was shite.

    I had one goodish meal in a week, in a humble little restaurant which just grilled some riverfish, and that was it.

    The wine was OK, but nothing special.

    Nice beer tho.
    Some German food is great!

    Haxe with potato dumpling and saurkraut
    The Grunkel festival in Northern Germany served with little fat sausages
    Bratwurst with mustard and bread, almost anywhere
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Anorak said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.

    It's certainly a great way to screw people up emotionally.
    I can't work out whether Sean is a narcissistic solipsist, or solipsistic narcissist.
    The mere fact that he's here means that fundamentally, he's a saddo who spends too much time on an anoracky website. Just like the rest of us.
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Filling is not an enarque. Like DSK the establishment were out to get him. He will be replaced by Julie. The Girondin over the Jacobin?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Anybody read The Darkness That Comes Before? Maybe Trump's Ikurei Xerius III. [Only halfway into it, myself].
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
    *ahem*

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.
    What's the penis count in this polyamory? Unless it's more than one, it's a harem.
    The penis count is usually one, or alternatively (but less commonly) n-1.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160623-polyamorous-relationships-may-be-the-future-of-love

    (Frank Veaux is the main man of Quora on Polyamory, it isnt my cup of tea, but it seems to be the in thing these days, I must be too "old", even if I am half a decade younger than Sean ;) )
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
    *ahem*

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.
    What's the penis count in this polyamory? Unless it's more than one, it's a harem.
    Not if some of the girls are seeing other men, (or women) which one or two of them are. Other girls do like to be more exclusive, to be fair.

    Modern sexual morals are flexible and complex....
    What is the Remain/Leave split?
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Oh yes, some of the worst food I've eaten is in rural France, tete du veau anyone?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Nicola's pet airport:

    AILING Prestwick Airport is to target increased "military business" including US Air Force flights as new figures show it generated a pre-tax loss of over £9.2million.

    The latest accounts for the airport show passenger numbers have dropped to 624,000 - around a quarter of the business it was attracting less than a decade ago.

    Around £40 million of public money will have been ploughed into the airport by the year end, which means it will have exhausted its share of state funding five years early, watchdogs have claimed.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15058591.Prestwick_bosses_target_business_from_US_military_as_annual_losses_hit___9_2million/?ref=twtrec

    Just as well no one has been disobliging about the Commander in Chief then.....
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited January 2017
    Blue_rog said:

    Oh yes, some of the worst food I've eaten is in rural France, tete du veau anyone?

    gizzards - really naff
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    edited January 2017

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    The Petition to support Donald Trump's state visit is now up to 93, 000 nearly up to the 100, 000 requirement needed to be considered in a debate in Parliament

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    PlatoSaid said:

    He's at it again

    Donald J Trump
    When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!

    I remember that the first year of Obama's presidency, he sounded half-candidate and half-senator. Trump is still sounding half-candidate and half-TV personality.

    I'm still trying to work out if he's genuinely got no idea how politics works or whether he's five moves ahead of everyone.
    President the Donald is not so much ahead of the game as playing a different one. He has no interest in policy. He wants to run the country like he ran his companies, by issuing proclamations that would be acted on by COOs and project teams lower down -- who would fill in the details themselves.

    Of course, the administration of the United States is not set up for that. The president's executive orders are little more than aspirations or even slogans. Replace Obamacare (with what?). Cut regulations (which ones?). Even the Mexican wall, which is nearest to Trump's day job as a property developer, shows no sign of his having thought about what this will mean for the price of bricks or cement, or even who owns the land.

    Plato and the Dilbert guy have misread Trump. His stream of tweets and executive orders is not designed to bewilder the MSM or opposition groups. President Trump really does intend to run the country this way.
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    Look, no offence, but by your own admission you're really old and soon you will be dead, and everyone will forget you ever existed immediately. You're so unimportant and forgettable people will probably forget to bury you and just step over your crumpled body until you turn into a small hump of compost which then gets washed away in a slight shower.

    So I'm not sure your opinion weighs too heavily on this issue.

    Are you sure you should be trolling the age group that delivered the Brexit majority?
    I can't help it. Brexit doesn't belong to these doddery old Remainers who could die at any time, snapped in half like a twig, snuffed out like a tallow candle by the cruel fingers of time, shat on by the seagull of doom, as they walk the sands of senescence.

    Brexit belongs to young people like ME, ME ME ME ME ME ME, thrusting young thriller writers with six different girlfriends under 28, and a brilliant title for their new book, and an income that makes George Soros look like Bob Cratchit.

    Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
    Since you are doing so well, when are you going to start giving money away?
    I'm sponsoring some of my girlfriends (about a third of them) to go and do charity work in poor places, for a few months. Literally.

    It means I get a respite, and I can write it off against tax.

    What more do you want?? Blood????
    "About a third"? How many girlfriends does one need to have before one can round to "about a third"?
    Sean has a Harem.
    *ahem*

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.
    What's the penis count in this polyamory? Unless it's more than one, it's a harem.
    Not if some of the girls are seeing other men, (or women) which one or two of them are. Other girls do like to be more exclusive, to be fair.

    Modern sexual morals are flexible and complex....
    With you, Sean, I'm pretty sure we're talking about mores, not morals. Keep up the good work.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Blue_rog said:

    Oh yes, some of the worst food I've eaten is in rural France, tete du veau anyone?

    Andouillette (sp?)

    I ordered it by mistake once. The waitress (obviously seeing through my execrable French) did try to talk me out of it, but I felt committed by then. I told myself the honour of my nation was at stake and that anything a frog-eating Frenchman could eat, an Englishman could eat. Eugh. Luckily it came coated in a thick sauce so I couldn't actually see what I was putting in my mouth which helped. And I didn't throw up. But never again.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Nicola's pet airport:

    AILING Prestwick Airport is to target increased "military business" including US Air Force flights as new figures show it generated a pre-tax loss of over £9.2million.

    The latest accounts for the airport show passenger numbers have dropped to 624,000 - around a quarter of the business it was attracting less than a decade ago.

    Around £40 million of public money will have been ploughed into the airport by the year end, which means it will have exhausted its share of state funding five years early, watchdogs have claimed.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15058591.Prestwick_bosses_target_business_from_US_military_as_annual_losses_hit___9_2million/?ref=twtrec

    Just as well no one has been disobliging about the Commander in Chief then.....

    extradition flights have to refuel somewhere
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    He's at it again

    Donald J Trump
    When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!

    I remember that the first year of Obama's presidency, he sounded half-candidate and half-senator. Trump is still sounding half-candidate and half-TV personality.

    I'm still trying to work out if he's genuinely got no idea how politics works or whether he's five moves ahead of everyone.
    I think he's both, the reason he's sometimes five moves ahead of everyone else is because he's approaching politics in a totally different way, his own way, with his own rules, and this is because he doesn't know or care how normal politics works.

    Hence the sometimes horrific blunders, which he shrugs off, and the weirdly clever moves, which blindside everyone else
    As you say, he seems not to care about the former so long as he gets the latter. His focus is entirely on serving his own constituency, making no real attempt to hide his contempt for his opponents, who are going ape-shit; which I find amusing as much as disconcerting.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    John Curtice on polling reaction to May's BREXIT plan:

    http://whatukthinks.org/eu/does-mrs-mays-brexit-plan-meet-voters-expectations/
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    Plato and the Dilbert guy have misread Trump. His stream of tweets and executive orders is not designed to bewilder the MSM or opposition groups. President Trump really does intend to run the country this way.

    If he eventually pulls his head out of his ass and looks around he might discover it is sort of possible to play the game that way. There is nothing wrong with being a big picture aspirational broad brushstrokes sort of president, and hiring the right people to do the detail for him. There was a time when we thought that Pence was going to fill in the detail of Trump's bold colours, but it seems to have gone a bit quiet from him, probably keeping his nose clean in case a promotion is in the offing ;)

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    He has no interest in policy.

    This simply isn't true.
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    Petition in favour of Trump state visit at

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    95,000 so far.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    edited January 2017

    Nicola's pet airport:

    AILING Prestwick Airport is to target increased "military business" including US Air Force flights as new figures show it generated a pre-tax loss of over £9.2million.

    The latest accounts for the airport show passenger numbers have dropped to 624,000 - around a quarter of the business it was attracting less than a decade ago.

    Around £40 million of public money will have been ploughed into the airport by the year end, which means it will have exhausted its share of state funding five years early, watchdogs have claimed.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15058591.Prestwick_bosses_target_business_from_US_military_as_annual_losses_hit___9_2million/?ref=twtrec

    Just as well no one has been disobliging about the Commander in Chief then.....

    Typical Tory, wishing people to be made unemployed , and all from your tax exile. Repugnant.
    Commander in Chief bases his personal fleet at Prestwick.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Blue_rog said:

    Oh yes, some of the worst food I've eaten is in rural France, tete du veau anyone?

    Andouillette (sp?)

    I ordered it by mistake once. The waitress (obviously seeing through my execrable French) did try to talk me out of it, but I felt committed by then. I told myself the honour of my nation was at stake and that anything a frog-eating Frenchman could eat, an Englishman could eat. Eugh. Luckily it came coated in a thick sauce so I couldn't actually see what I was putting in my mouth which helped. And I didn't throw up. But never again.
    plus AlanBrook

    Tripe and intestines yuck All washed down with a horrendous mixture of stale bread mixedwith red wine and sugar
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    malcolmg said:

    Nicola's pet airport:

    AILING Prestwick Airport is to target increased "military business" including US Air Force flights as new figures show it generated a pre-tax loss of over £9.2million.

    The latest accounts for the airport show passenger numbers have dropped to 624,000 - around a quarter of the business it was attracting less than a decade ago.

    Around £40 million of public money will have been ploughed into the airport by the year end, which means it will have exhausted its share of state funding five years early, watchdogs have claimed.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15058591.Prestwick_bosses_target_business_from_US_military_as_annual_losses_hit___9_2million/?ref=twtrec

    Just as well no one has been disobliging about the Commander in Chief then.....

    Typical Tory, wishing people to be made unemployed , and all from your tax exile. Repugnant.
    You mean Nicola's comments have increased the chances of US business?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Toms said:

    Toms said:

    Toms said:

    Soeone should run a line, or market---whatever the right descriptor may be---on whether this petition will make three million signers duruing its alloted span:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    Two questions as I'm not very knowledgeable about these parliamentary petitions:

    1. What controls are in place to prevent someone from voting in support any number of times?

    2. How does one oppose this petition, i.e by. voting against it? .... It appears only possible to register one's support.
    I'm not very expert either.
    This seems to be the anti-antiTrump petition.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

    When you vote they take info. Your email address. Your postcode, if I remember. Then you must activate the vote through an email message they send. Maybe if youve got several email addresses you can cheat, but I don't know. You tell me.
    P/S I don't think you can express support on that petition itself.
    Vladimir Putin just texted me to say that Fancy Bears have only one petition-signing email address, and no interest in influencing British politics, so that's all right then.
    This is all too complicated for me. If the Russians wanted to influence things wouldn't they want Trump to visit the UK?

    He will come of course.
    I'm not sure the Russians care very much either way. The point is the whole online petition system is trivially open to manipulation. And don't get me started on how the cyclists invariably win BBC SPotY but can't muster enough fans to watch the so-called sport on its own channel.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723

    felix said:

    Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, has put out a press statement saying that, if Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK does go ahead, as a protest he will not attend the state dinner at Buckingham Palace.

    Take that, Trump!

    (And isn't it presumptuous for him to assume that Her Majesty would be gracious enough to invite him?)

    There'd be more cutlery in front of him than LD MPs - wise to opt out before making a fool... oops that ship sailed as well :)
    Probably old hat but I've just seen "Minor Fart" as a very appropriate anagram for our Timmy.
    Yes, old hat, but can't resist anagrams.
    'Aye, Mrs Hate'
    or
    'Shy Tea Mare'
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,450
    Can someone please get a message to Peter Bone and tell him, as a priority, to stop wearing that fashion crime against humanity of a Grassroots Out! tie?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    These days it's called polyamory, darling. It's quite the thing amongst us young sexy people.

    It's certainly a great way to screw people up emotionally.
    I can't work out whether Sean is a narcissistic solipsist, or solipsistic narcissist.
    The mere fact that he's here means that fundamentally, he's a saddo who spends too much time on an anoracky website. Just like the rest of us.
    I'm living proof that you can be a saddo anoraky politics geek AND have sex with loads of hot chicks. You should be encouraged by my example.
    The fact you a millionaire thriller writing anoraky politics geek with a pad in Camden no doubt helps a little
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    Comparison of the state of current petition voting at

    https://petition.parliament.uk/

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