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Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
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Darn. I shorted at 3.6rcs1000 said:
Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.Casino_Royale said:Macron looks very short to me.
The French are crying out for change.
Is a Blairite centrist what they want?
A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.
And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.
That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.0 -
Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.0
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I think there are some domain resolution issues across the Internet. I can't get to Register.com, for example. (And pb is registered with Register.com)0
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He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.TOPPING said:
It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.SouthamObserver said:
What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.TOPPING said:off topic
A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.
The tennis equivalent would be Fed (To Leonard) - Djokovic, Nadal and to some degree Murray all provided the competition needed for his legacy.0 -
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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Trump and Pena Nieto had an hour long phone call yesterday after the cancellation of the Mexican visit next week.0
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I bought loads between 19 and 23, and sold almost all between 8 and 11. I think he's too short here too. But I don't share HYUFD's utter certainty that he cannot be President. He's a lot more likely to make it than Marine Le Pen, in my view.Casino_Royale said:
Darn. I shorted at 3.6rcs1000 said:
Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.Casino_Royale said:Macron looks very short to me.
The French are crying out for change.
Is a Blairite centrist what they want?
A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.
And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.
That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.0 -
Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.Richard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
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Maybe you're nor a member of Einternet any longerRichard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
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Richard_Nabavi said:
Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
The "www." version disappeared for me too.
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Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.Richard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
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I'm scared he will go shorter. And not come up again.rcs1000 said:
I bought loads between 19 and 23, and sold almost all between 8 and 11. I think he's too short here too. But I don't share HYUFD's utter certainty that he cannot be President. He's a lot more likely to make it than Marine Le Pen, in my view.Casino_Royale said:
Darn. I shorted at 3.6rcs1000 said:
Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.Casino_Royale said:Macron looks very short to me.
The French are crying out for change.
Is a Blairite centrist what they want?
A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.
And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.
That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.
Do I reback at 3.2 for a small loss?
Or am I just being all gaylord ponceyboots and should just hold fire.
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rcs1000 said:
It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.Richard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
You mean it's NOT because of Brexit?
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Is the server in Mexico and they won't pay for it?rcs1000 said:
It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.Richard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
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Putin not happy with Mrs May cosying up to the Donald?0
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I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
The forced expletives and CAPS. I'll admit I glazed over soon after that.TOPPING said:
Which bit did I get wrong?Luckyguy1983 said:
And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.TOPPING said:
You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.SeanT said:Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
Get with the programme.
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song lyrics -williamglenn said:
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
Tangerine, she is all they claim
With her eyes of night and lips as bright as flame
Tangerine, when she dances by, senoritas stare and caballeros sigh
And I've seen toasts to Tangerine
Raised in every bar across the Argentine
Yes, she has them all on the run, but her heart belongs to just one
Her heart belongs to Tangerine0 -
The site appears back up on www. etc
Also, Mr. Royale, I'd hold on, if I were you.0 -
Main site OK for mercs1000 said:
It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.Richard_Nabavi said:Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
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Isn't it red?williamglenn said:
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.John_M said:
I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
Sure they didn't invite Teresa?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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MarqueeMark said:
Sure they didn't invite Teresa?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
Ha!MarqueeMark said:
Sure they didn't invite Teresa?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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I saw another photo where it looked orange but it looks red below.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't it red?williamglenn said:
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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Red it is as in red white and blue Brexitwilliamglenn said:
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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EFTA also covered by EMA.williamglenn said:
We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
May looking smart and confident at the White House.
She is growing into being the PM.
Useful to have had six months as PM already.0 -
He was always separated from his support base. It's just that now the scales are starting to drop from their eyes.Pulpstar said:
But will Lewis attempt to plunge the knife ?AlastairMeeks said:
He's allowed himself to become separated from his support base on a subject of considerable importance to them.surbiton said:
What has happened for you to say that ?AlastairMeeks said:I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
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The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.0
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I'm feeling very sensitivercs1000 said:
Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.John_M said:
I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.. The reporting of our withdrawal from EUratom is being so blatantly misreported, it's wound me up a bit. There's no reason why we can't have bilateral arrangements across a range of areas where we have mutual interests, as you say. It depends how fractious the negotiations become, I would imagine. 0 -
You left NYS before 1969 then?Tim_B said:
In north Georgia (on AT&T) I get the 'resolving host' message sometimes when on the www2 site but it works mostly.rpjs said:www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.
When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
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Only countries in the EEA. Switzerland is excluded.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EFTA also covered by EMA.williamglenn said:
We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
Has Trump threatened to "Lock Her Up" yet?David_Evershed said:May looking smart and confident at the White House.
She is growing into being the PM.0 -
We had dial-up but that doesn't really count.rpjs said:
You left NYS before 1969 then?Tim_B said:
In north Georgia (on AT&T) I get the 'resolving host' message sometimes when on the www2 site but it works mostly.rpjs said:www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.
When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
(All back to normal for me now)0 -
Why do you think so many countries are already bidding to become the new host?PAW said:The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.
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Networks now reporting that the 1 hour phone call with Mex prez happened this morning.0
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williamglenn - I can't see why, and I can't see much in ITER either.0
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Homage to the Republical party.williamglenn said:
Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?Casino_Royale said:
Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval officeJohn_M said:I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
Good psychology. May has read The Donald's book about doing deals.0 -
And most of the QPPVs employed by drug companies are resident in Britain. They will not be able to do so after Brexit. The MHRA has played a very influential part in the running of the EMA and it will lose a very respected and influential chair of the Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee too.williamglenn said:
Why do you think so many countries are already bidding to become the new host?PAW said:The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.
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But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EFTA also covered by EMA.williamglenn said:
We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.0 -
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
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When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.0
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Yes lets get negotiating fast and drop the doom and gloomChris_A said:
Good. Join the club. There's still time to stop this lunacy and put common sense and economic well-being before dogma.John_M said:
I'm feeling very sensitive. The reporting of our withdrawal from EUratom is being so blatantly misreported, it's wound me up a bit. 0 -
That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.Chris_A said:But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.
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The idea is almost as bad as Corbyn but no one could be as bad as CorbynDavid_Evershed said:When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.
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1969?
1996 perhaps?0 -
Minor EU 27 players (a la Wallonia) will be holding other EU 27 players to ransom not the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
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The moment I realised that we could end up with PM Leadsom via the most freakish of circumstances was the closest I've come to thinking..."omg, what have we done!"David_Evershed said:When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.
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Are the rumours true that May is bidding for the contract to build the wall?
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Sure, that's why I said collateral damage.David_Evershed said:
Minor EU 27 players (a la Wallonia) will be holding other EU 27 players to ransom not the UK.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
Edit: But it's direct damage as well. There's not a snowflake's chance in hell of the European Medicines Agency remaining in the UK, even though it would make sense.0 -
Yes but Canelo is his "control" opponent. Now one of the most feared at 147-160 (officially) and Floyd fought him in his prime.Pulpstar said:
He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.TOPPING said:
It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.SouthamObserver said:
What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.TOPPING said:off topic
A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.
The tennis equivalent would be Fed (To Leonard) - Djokovic, Nadal and to some degree Murray all provided the competition needed for his legacy.
That stands for something.0 -
That's not quite true. Switzerland is not a member of the EMA, but it does have bilateral treaties with it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EFTA also covered by EMA.williamglenn said:
We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
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As it does with the USA, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Israel. Looser arrangements with China, India and Russia.rcs1000 said:
That's not quite true. Switzerland is not a member of the EMA, but it does have bilateral treaties with it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EFTA also covered by EMA.williamglenn said:
We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.rcs1000 said:
Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.TOPPING said:
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EUsurbiton said:
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!FF43 said:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.John_M said:
EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.Scott_P said:
Apparently yesOldKingCole said:Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
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Labour doesn't do assassination, does it?Pro_Rata said:
He was always separated from his support base. It's just that now the scales are starting to drop from their eyes.Pulpstar said:
But will Lewis attempt to plunge the knife ?AlastairMeeks said:
He's allowed himself to become separated from his support base on a subject of considerable importance to them.surbiton said:
What has happened for you to say that ?AlastairMeeks said:I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
Yes it disappeared from my screen too until fairly recently and other websites loaded OK.Barnesian said:
Dittorpjs said:www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.
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Hard for Trump/May to talk about and agree much in a one hour meeting. Apart from vague aspirations agreed by officials in advance, it is just symbolic. But symbols can be important and it will help the atmosphere for future negotiations.0
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In the previous thread some PBers are referring to Trump's approval ratings going up. They've improved relative from from campaign, but since he became President Elect, they have not improved. Indeed a new Quinnipiac poll released after his first week in office, shows him having an approval rating of 36%. That's even lower than several other polls prior to his inauguration which show him on a 40% approval rating on average.
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More akin to chopping a leg off.SeanT said:
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
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That's the spirit Jonathan! I feel we're making progressJonathan said:
More akin to chopping a leg off.SeanT said:
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
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There is a difference between the internet (which was definitely around in the 1970s) and the world wide web which came a lot later.geoffw said:1969?
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I used to have to argue Federer's superiority over Nadal et al, and one thing I used point out was that Federer defeated Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001. This was before Sampras won his final grand slam and before they messed about with the balls and grass at Wimbledon. I don't think any of Nadal, Djokovic or Murray could have done that to Sampras at Wimbledon.Pulpstar said:
He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.TOPPING said:
It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.SouthamObserver said:
What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.TOPPING said:off topic
A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.
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Putin removes McCain from his Christmas card list. He's really not keen on old Vlad.Big_G_NorthWales said:John McCain announces he will introduce legislation to maintain Russian sanctions if Trump reduces or cancels them
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It is a problem as it will require further primary legislation to put it right.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.Chris_A said:But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.
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No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.Big_G_NorthWales said:Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
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Trump giving May the contract to edit his tweets.Jonathan said:Are the rumours true that May is bidding for the contract to build the wall?
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Insults confirm my commentsChris_A said:
No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.Big_G_NorthWales said:Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
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They're creepy and they're kooky, Mysterious and spooky, They're all together ooky, The Addams Family.0
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You have body integrity identity disorder.SeanT said:
No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.Jonathan said:
More akin to chopping a leg off.SeanT said:
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?
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Sean - what are your views on Trump? - I vaguely remember you calling him a lunatic a few months ago - that still holds?SeanT said:We keep sneering about British neediness re America..
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Of all the Brexit problems to worry about, ones which are entirely in the control of the UK government really aren't significant. It's the issues which are not in our control which matter.Chris_A said:
It is a problem as it will require further primary legislation to put it right.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.Chris_A said:But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.
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May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.
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She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.Richard_Nabavi said:May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.
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Well, that's a definite future episode of the truly stunning Tv show 'The Crown' pretty much written without too much work.Richard_Nabavi said:May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.
The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...
But, as we are only up to 1954, it will be in series 12.
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No, but on balance it seems profoundly negative. Over 40 years, a lot of good legislation was imposed on us by the EU, e.g. the drinking water directive, the data protection directive. Meanwhile, Whitehall (i.e., the executive, overseen very badly by a parliament elected by FPTP) variously sought to abolish jury trial (Blair), created a regressive local government taxation system out of the wreckage of the poll tax (Thatcher), etc.SeanT said:
No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.Jonathan said:
More akin to chopping a leg off.SeanT said:
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?
It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
We don't yet know the cost of setting up UK government offices to do the work done for us by the EU for the net payment of £8 bn per year or so. It includes, e.g. writing and policing anti-trust legislation against companies like Google, Amazon, etc. Not cheap. Lots more to do besides.
Plus my European Health Insurance Card will no longer work and I'll need to take out medical insurance when I travel on the continent. As I did 20-40 years ago befpore the EHIC.0 -
Right, thanks. So just out of interest, what point did you think you were making when you used CAPS?Luckyguy1983 said:
The forced expletives and CAPS. I'll admit I glazed over soon after that.TOPPING said:
Which bit did I get wrong?Luckyguy1983 said:
And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.TOPPING said:
You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.SeanT said:Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
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They have similar taste in interior design. Who knows Philip and Donald might get hit it off.AlastairMeeks said:
She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.Richard_Nabavi said:May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.
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It's a little late to be worrying about all this stuff.rural_voter said:
No, but on balance it seems profoundly negative. Over 40 years, a lot of good legislation was imposed on us by the EU, e.g. the drinking water directive, the data protection directive. Meanwhile, Whitehall (i.e., the executive, overseen very badly by a parliament elected by FPTP) variously sought to abolish jury trial (Blair), created a regressive local government taxation system out of the wreckage of the poll tax (Thatcher), etc.SeanT said:
No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.Jonathan said:
More akin to chopping a leg off.SeanT said:
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.rcs1000 said:Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?
It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
We don't yet know the cost of setting up UK government offices to do the work done for us by the EU for the net payment of £8 bn per year or so. It includes, e.g. writing and policing anti-trust legislation against companies like Google, Amazon, etc. Not cheap. Lots more to do besides.
Plus my European Health Insurance Card will no longer work and I'll need to take out medical insurance when I travel on the continent. As I did 20-40 years ago befpore the EHIC.0 -
Mr. Voter, you should have such insurance when travelling in the EU anyway.
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I'm sure Philip and Melania will.Jonathan said:
They have similar taste in interior design. Who knows Philip and Donald might get hit it off.AlastairMeeks said:
She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.Richard_Nabavi said:May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.
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Yes. Although he got staff to do it. Probably Mexican immigrants on contract.Jonathan said:Has Trump put in new gold curtains?
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If the consequences of brexit were so foreseeable to you and so disastrous, then either you spent every spare hour you had in the weeks before the vote knocking on doors and manning phone lines to get the In vote out, or you are a complacent blowhard. Which?Chris_A said:
No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.Big_G_NorthWales said:Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
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Conversely G it is your goodself that is getting more euphoric.Big_G_NorthWales said:Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
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