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@thelatebron: I have been thinking more about who will pay for the wall in #Somerset, and probably it is going to be #Dorset.0
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May praises GOP for their victory and the hope that builds of a strong America. Criticises nations who fail to pay their way on defence but also says despite leaving the EU will still seek to co operate with it but the vote was for restored sovereignty and control of borders and a new internationalist role.
Meanwhile Trump reported to 've imposing a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for the wall0 -
I don't actually follow the PB consensus. I think they'll hold Stoke but lose Copeland to the Tories (and largely because of a big increase in the LD share).Jobabob said:
Ideally Labour will lose both byelections. Any Labour footsoldiers with any sense and care for the future of the party should be working hard to ensure a brace of defeats.Sean_F said:
It's very hard for the Opposition to lose a by-election, unless a third party is running rampant. UKIP aren't. Their efforts may still result in a decent vote share, but no more. It's not a seat that's amenable to the Lib Dems, either.AndyJS said:
Why do you think Stoke is a Labour hold? I think they could lose it while holding Copeland.Sean_F said:
Stoke is a Labour hold, for the time being.Casino_Royale said:
It's crazy but probably Labour canvassers or private polling.Essexit said:Ukip being favourites in Stoke is barmy, right? It seems like there's been a monumental over-reaction to the Labour Leave voodoo poll.
But I'm absolutely laying UKIP at odds on.0 -
@BBCKimGhattas: 20% tax hike on imports from Mexico= wide range of products becoming more expensive for US consumer. 1/2 ustr.gov/countries-regi…
@BBCKimGhattas: 2/2 Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in US
So Trump would be doing us a favour if he previews Brexit for us...0 -
Why doesn't Trumpton just charge an entry toll on the wall, a la the Severn Bridge? Let em all in!Malmesbury said:
Tarrifs on manufactured goods from Mexico probably.ThomasNashe said:
Presumably a tax to be levied on Mexicans only?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump wants to pay for a wall along the Mexican border with a tax that would be part of a reform package
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That may be because he is not bothering about the details. President Trump just seems to be telling Congress to get on with it and hoping they'll come up with something. What would be funny is if once he has signed an executive order for every single pledge, he resigns to go back to his old job. Four days left in January!RobD said:
Yes, it is surprising just how much he has signed off on in such a short period!Gallowgate said:Trump is going to run out of campaign promises to keep at this rate.
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Too many retweets .Scott_P said:@BBCKimGhattas: 20% tax hike on imports from Mexico= wide range of products becoming more expensive for US consumer. 1/2 ustr.gov/countries-regi…
@BBCKimGhattas: 2/2 Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in US
So Trump would be doing us a favour if he previews Brexit for us...
Do us a favour and go to bed.0 -
It took the death of the Labour leader, a major sex and spy scandal, the disastrous collapse of the cabinet, a brace of economic crises and the appointment of a peer as PM for those very narrow victories (aside from 1966) to come about. And 1966 was Labour's only really resounding victory from 1945 to 1997.foxinsoxuk said:
That Labour civil war was shortly followed by Labour winning the 1964, 1966, narrowly losing 1970, and winning both the 1974 elections.ydoethur said:
But those were lost to parties other than the government.another_richard said:Even if Labour does lose both Copeland and Stoke Central (and I can't believe they are) they still won't have matched their achievement between 1970 and 1974 when they lost THREE seats in byelections while being in Opposition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_by-election,_1972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_by-election,_1973
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Govan_by-election,_1973
And they still went on to win the following general election.
In the vanishingly unlikely scenario that Labour lose both these seats to TM, that will be the first time a party of opposition has ceded two seats to the government (especially in a second term) since Gaitskell's attempts to hold the party together during a bitter civil war in the early 1960s.
It should also be noted that one of those by-election defeats - Bristol South-East - Labour actually won the vote but the candidate was ineligible for the seat so his rival was declared the winner.
Indeed the prognosis looks good if both are lost!
Is that sequence really what you expect to happen before Labour become barely electable again, and is that abysmal electoral performance the outcome you would wish for?0 -
They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UKScott_P said:@BBCKimGhattas: 20% tax hike on imports from Mexico= wide range of products becoming more expensive for US consumer. 1/2 ustr.gov/countries-regi…
@BBCKimGhattas: 2/2 Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in US
So Trump would be doing us a favour if he previews Brexit for us...0 -
I haven't retweeted any of these...MonikerDiCanio said:Too many retweets .
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Technically correct... the best kind.Scott_P said:
I haven't retweeted any of these...MonikerDiCanio said:Too many retweets .
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@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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Presumably you will both be highlighting the tariffs we have to pay on the goods we bring in from all the places outside the EU, and how much cheaper they would all be for us if we didn't have these EU taxes.Scott_P said:@BBCKimGhattas: 20% tax hike on imports from Mexico= wide range of products becoming more expensive for US consumer. 1/2 ustr.gov/countries-regi…
@BBCKimGhattas: 2/2 Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in US
So Trump would be doing us a favour if he previews Brexit for us...
It's a matter of time before these taxes get highlighted in Britain.
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Nope. Just pointing out that there are "events dear boy" and a week is a long time in politics, particularly in such febrile times.ydoethur said:
It took the death of the Labour leader, a major sex and spy scandal, the disastrous collapse of the cabinet, a brace of economic crises and the appointment of a peer as PM for those very narrow victories (aside from 1966) to come about. And 1966 was Labour's only really resounding victory from 1945 to 1997.foxinsoxuk said:
That Labour civil war was shortly followed by Labour winning the 1964, 1966, narrowly losing 1970, and winning both the 1974 elections.ydoethur said:
But those were lost to parties other than the government.another_richard said:Even if Labour does lose both Copeland and Stoke Central (and I can't believe they are) they still won't have matched their achievement between 1970 and 1974 when they lost THREE seats in byelections while being in Opposition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_by-election,_1972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_by-election,_1973
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Govan_by-election,_1973
And they still went on to win the following general election.
In the vanishingly unlikely scenario that Labour lose both these seats to TM, that will be the first time a party of opposition has ceded two seats to the government (especially in a second term) since Gaitskell's attempts to hold the party together during a bitter civil war in the early 1960s.
It should also be noted that one of those by-election defeats - Bristol South-East - Labour actually won the vote but the candidate was ineligible for the seat so his rival was declared the winner.
Indeed the prognosis looks good if both are lost!
Is that sequence really what you expect to happen before Labour become barely electable again, and is that abysmal electoral performance the outcome you would wish for?0 -
Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in USchestnut said:It's a matter of time before these taxes get highlighted in Britain.
I agree. the impact on car manufacturing of leaving the customs union will be highlighted in Britain for sure.0 -
Americans eat fruit and veg?Scott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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Agree, because Ukip are perennially lousy at winning elections even when you want them to do everyone a favour and be good. I haven't lost hope - ideally Snell will take one for the team and bang on about Europe for weeks so the natives lend their vote to the Scouse Nutter.ThomasNashe said:
I don't actually follow the PB consensus. I think they'll hold Stoke but lose Copeland to the Tories (and largely because of a big increase in the LD share).Jobabob said:
Ideally Labour will lose both byelections. Any Labour footsoldiers with any sense and care for the future of the party should be working hard to ensure a brace of defeats.Sean_F said:
It's very hard for the Opposition to lose a by-election, unless a third party is running rampant. UKIP aren't. Their efforts may still result in a decent vote share, but no more. It's not a seat that's amenable to the Lib Dems, either.AndyJS said:
Why do you think Stoke is a Labour hold? I think they could lose it while holding Copeland.Sean_F said:
Stoke is a Labour hold, for the time being.Casino_Royale said:
It's crazy but probably Labour canvassers or private polling.Essexit said:Ukip being favourites in Stoke is barmy, right? It seems like there's been a monumental over-reaction to the Labour Leave voodoo poll.
But I'm absolutely laying UKIP at odds on.0 -
Snap :-)ThomasNashe said:
I don't actually follow the PB consensus. I think they'll hold Stoke but lose Copeland to the Tories (and largely because of a big increase in the LD share).Jobabob said:
Ideally Labour will lose both byelections. Any Labour footsoldiers with any sense and care for the future of the party should be working hard to ensure a brace of defeats.Sean_F said:
It's very hard for the Opposition to lose a by-election, unless a third party is running rampant. UKIP aren't. Their efforts may still result in a decent vote share, but no more. It's not a seat that's amenable to the Lib Dems, either.AndyJS said:
Why do you think Stoke is a Labour hold? I think they could lose it while holding Copeland.Sean_F said:
Stoke is a Labour hold, for the time being.Casino_Royale said:
It's crazy but probably Labour canvassers or private polling.Essexit said:Ukip being favourites in Stoke is barmy, right? It seems like there's been a monumental over-reaction to the Labour Leave voodoo poll.
But I'm absolutely laying UKIP at odds on.0 -
Americans can ship around and if they have to buy Mexican they can console themselves with the fact they are paying for the wall by doing soScott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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Only the rich ones!tlg86 said:
Americans eat fruit and veg?Scott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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Not Trumps voters.. Just pantywaist Democrats.tlg86 said:
Americans eat fruit and veg?Scott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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Events are all well and good and the times are uncertain. But as long as the hard left holds Labour to ransom as it does currently, Labour have no chance of winning.foxinsoxuk said:
Nope. Just pointing out that there are "events dear boy" and a week is a long time in politics, particularly in such febrile times.
Getting rid of Corbyn might improve things a little, but it isn't him personally so much as his policies and associates that are destroying Labour's working-class electoral base. The real problem is that even if he goes, they will almost certainly remain, in which case one electoral victory in fifty years may be optimistic.0 -
Does she not know she's in Pennsylvania? Cringe...0
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I always find some food costs in US bizarre eg milk is stupidly expensive. Obviously I am well aware of the massive corn subsidiaries but why should mill be expensive? Loads of land, etc etc etc .0
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Immensely proud of Theresa May.
This is a brutal rejection of Trump's foreign policy approach.0 -
More of the same.0
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If Tessie ever gets a £250k an hr speaking gig we will definitely know it wasn't for the quality and entertainment of said speech.0
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...this is an impressive speech by May. Can't remember Cameron making a similar one.0
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Hopefully it shows she won't be afraid of disagreeing with Trump on issues in public as well as private. Torture, for example.TheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
This is a brutal rejection of Trump's foreign policy approach.0 -
The Press pack seem to like the speech0
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I forecast to my (very Trump fearful) poker group the other night that Trump will be a LOL president who will do sod all of global note, and be a figure of fun from Day One. I have seen nothing so far to dissuade me from this prediction. The guy is a clown.tlg86 said:
Americans eat fruit and veg?Scott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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The audience is not full of Pennsylvanians though, is it?williamglenn said:Does she not know she's in Pennsylvania? Cringe...
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Hated the hairstyle, loved the speech. She did us proud. Let's hope the Trumpster was paying attention. Still think the joint presser is going to be excruciating.0
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Did she book a return ticket for this evening as the orange one won't like what he is hearing (presuming he is listening and not on Twitter)TheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
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Think their version of CAP - there is lots of farm support stuffFrancisUrquhart said:I always find some food costs in US bizarre eg milk is stupidly expensive. Obviously I am well aware of the massive corn subsidiaries but why should mill be expensive? Loads of land, etc etc etc .
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Was it? She was tough on Iran, pro India but tough on China, tough on border control, tough on radical Islamism and tough on Putin, if anything Republicans liked it even more than TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
This is a brutal rejection of Trump's foreign policy approach.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
I always find some food costs in US bizarre eg milk is stupidly expensive. Obviously I am well aware of the massive corn subsidiaries but why should mill be expensive? Loads of land, etc etc etc .
The problem is that they all watch the Simpsons and take literally the instructions from Bart Simpson, and so they "Don't have a cow, man".
The result is less milk and higher prices.
#alternativefacts
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The pink dyed artificially strawberry flavoured version is cheaperFrancisUrquhart said:I always find some food costs in US bizarre eg milk is stupidly expensive. Obviously I am well aware of the massive corn subsidiaries but why should mill be expensive? Loads of land, etc etc etc .
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It will make not a lot of difference at all in the UK as any revenue raised in tariffs will enable the government to cut other taxes. Our net trading position makes us the likely winner in that game. £8bn was the number, I recall.Scott_P said:
Tax hike on imports from Mexico also impacts supply chain for US manufacturing, for ex, some parts made in Mexico, car assembled in US
I agree. the impact on car manufacturing of leaving the customs union will be highlighted in Britain for sure.
Meanwhile, we have an American president who will happily sideline the likes of Mexico if he gets a sniff of a deal that he can sell as good for the US.
We offer him a portion of the 'deficit' we have with the EU in return for improved trading access to the US.
We get freer US trade without unlimited immigration - he gets a reduced US deficit - the Germans have to try to trade with the Mexicans.0 -
Told you she would be terrific. Think there are many on here no matter who they support should just realise her vision and get behind her in her crusade to take this Country into a lead role in the World.TheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
This is a brutal rejection of Trump's foreign policy approach.
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She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Mortimer said:
'Lock her up'?Gallowgate said:Trump is going to run out of campaign promises to keep at this rate.
I really can't see that one happening... 0 -
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I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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One of my favourites scenes! BrilliantScott_P said:0 -
Some think that Gaitskell would have won more decisively in 1964.ydoethur said:
It took the death of the Labour leader, a major sex and spy scandal, the disastrous collapse of the cabinet, a brace of economic crises and the appointment of a peer as PM for those very narrow victories (aside from 1966) to come about. And 1966 was Labour's only really resounding victory from 1945 to 1997.foxinsoxuk said:
That Labour civil war was shortly followed by Labour winning the 1964, 1966, narrowly losing 1970, and winning both the 1974 elections.ydoethur said:
But those were lost to parties other than the government.another_richard said:Even if Labour does lose both Copeland and Stoke Central (and I can't believe they are) they still won't have matched their achievement between 1970 and 1974 when they lost THREE seats in byelections while being in Opposition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_by-election,_1972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_by-election,_1973
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Govan_by-election,_1973
And they still went on to win the following general election.
In the vanishingly unlikely scenario that Labour lose both these seats to TM, that will be the first time a party of opposition has ceded two seats to the government (especially in a second term) since Gaitskell's attempts to hold the party together during a bitter civil war in the early 1960s.
It should also be noted that one of those by-election defeats - Bristol South-East - Labour actually won the vote but the candidate was ineligible for the seat so his rival was declared the winner.
Indeed the prognosis looks good if both are lost!
Is that sequence really what you expect to happen before Labour become barely electable again, and is that abysmal electoral performance the outcome you would wish for?0 -
May was pro-NATO, she advocated the continued existence of the EU, she advised constructive engagement but caution w.r.t. Putin, and she was positive about the Iranian nuclear deal. A number of themes where she was far more in tune with Congressional Republican opinion than the views advanced by Trump.HYUFD said:
Was it? She was tough on Iran, pro India but tough on China, tough on border control, tough on radical Islamism and tough on Putin, if anything Republicans liked it even more than TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
This is a brutal rejection of Trump's foreign policy approach.0 -
Which will move and adjust as the individual businesses see fit. The EU provide precious little that cannot be obtained elsewhere.Scott_P said:It's not about tariffs...
It's about the integrated supply chain.
/Repeat, to fade...
It's arguable that our most important partner in Europe is Norway.
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She could not win with you no matter what she said. Just accept that that was one terrific speech and did our Country proud and in particular the Baltic states will be elatedwilliamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Trump has to govern with Congress too of course but other than her comments on Putin there was little real difference between most of what she said and Trump has been sayingBlack_Rook said:
May was pro-NATO, she advocated the continued existence of the EU, she advised constructive engagement but caution w.r.t. Putin, and she was positive about the Iranian nuclear deal. A number of themes where she was far more in tune with Congressional Republican opinion than the views advanced by Trump.HYUFD said:
Was it? She was tough on Iran, pro India but tough on China, tough on border control, tough on radical Islamism and tough on Putin, if anything Republicans liked it even more than TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Immensely proud of Theresa May.
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May's biggest fan (ahem) TSE was chuffed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She could not win with you no matter what she said. Just accept that that was one terrific speech and did our Country proud and in particular the Baltic states will be elatedwilliamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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You mean you missed the passage where she defended abortion?RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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LOLchestnut said:Which will move and adjust as the individual businesses see fit. The EU provide precious little that cannot be obtained elsewhere.
It's arguable that our most important partner in Europe is Norway.
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Even Gordon Brown had an occasional good dayRobD said:
May's biggest fan (ahem) TSE was chuffed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She could not win with you no matter what she said. Just accept that that was one terrific speech and did our Country proud and in particular the Baltic states will be elatedwilliamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Her comments on border control, China, Iran, radical Islam etc all echoed Trump's own views on the wholewilliamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Broken clock etc. Fair enough!TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown had an occasional good dayRobD said:
May's biggest fan (ahem) TSE was chuffed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She could not win with you no matter what she said. Just accept that that was one terrific speech and did our Country proud and in particular the Baltic states will be elatedwilliamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Don't worry, Farage (of Trump's ear) approved.williamglenn said:
The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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Labours Stoke candidate was an enthusiastic supporter of overthrowing his leader and replacing him with a man who wanted to wreck brexit and have a 2nd referendum
Ukip should mention this at every opportunity
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-378776080 -
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/824728866375790592RobD said:
Don't worry, Farage (of Trump's ear) approved.williamglenn said:
The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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She is probably closer to Trump than any other current G20 leader apart from Putin and longer term she will be more of a reliable and needed ally for Trump than Putin iswilliamglenn said:
The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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I'm talking the whole trading relationship. Apologies, I didn't realise you were stuck on the minutiae.Scott_P said:
LOLchestnut said:Which will move and adjust as the individual businesses see fit. The EU provide precious little that cannot be obtained elsewhere.
It's arguable that our most important partner in Europe is Norway.
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Here's a bit of the speech they liked
@tnewtondunn: And another Theresa warning to Trump on getting too cosy with Russia... "With President Putin, my advice is to engage but beware”.
@DPJHodges: Whatever you think of May's speech, she's not sucking up to Trump. Sticking it to him over Putin.
Now we will see how the relationship between Tezza and Trump works out
@FabricePothier: DC sources say that Trump admin has an executive order ready to lift Russia sanctions. @POTUS to talk to Merkel and then Putin on Saturday0 -
The worrying thing is you've never called anything right!Jobabob said:
I forecast to my (very Trump fearful) poker group the other night that Trump will be a LOL president who will do sod all of global note, and be a figure of fun from Day One. I have seen nothing so far to dissuade me from this prediction. The guy is a clown.tlg86 said:
Americans eat fruit and veg?Scott_P said:
@BBCKimGhattas: Mexico is US 2nd largest supplier of goods, includes fruit and veg which are already rather expensive in US. ustr.gov/countries-regi…HYUFD said:They can buy more American and more from countries other than Mexico maybe even from the UK
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I dont know don't, that might go down quite well in stoke.isam said:Labours Stoke candidate was an enthusiastic supporter of overthrowing his leader and replacing him with a man who wanted to wreck brexit and have a 2nd referendum
Ukip should mention this at every opportunity
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'Engage but beware' doesn't seem inconsistent with the lifting of sanctions. In fact, it probably fulfills the former.Scott_P said:Here's a bit of the speech they liked
@tnewtondunn: And another Theresa warning to Trump on getting too cosy with Russia... "With President Putin, my advice is to engage but beware”.
@DPJHodges: Whatever you think of May's speech, she's not sucking up to Trump. Sticking it to him over Putin.
Now we will see how the relationship between Tezza and Trump works out
@FabricePothier: DC sources say that Trump admin has an executive order ready to lift Russia sanctions. @POTUS to talk to Merkel and then Putin on Saturday0 -
Not before time!Scott_P said:
I think TM might just go down as one of those once in a generation PM's that are actually really good.0 -
So that's Farage and Corbyn both fully behind May's approach.
Government of national unity almost ?0 -
What ignoring the vote, trying to keep free movement and having another referendum? Doubt itFrancisUrquhart said:
I dont know don't, that might go down quite well in stoke.isam said:Labours Stoke candidate was an enthusiastic supporter of overthrowing his leader and replacing him with a man who wanted to wreck brexit and have a 2nd referendum
Ukip should mention this at every opportunity
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Approved is putting it mildly!RobD said:
Don't worry, Farage (of Trump's ear) approved.williamglenn said:
The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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I just meant the overthrowing corbyn bit!isam said:
What ignoring the vote, trying to keep free movement and having another referendum? Doubt itFrancisUrquhart said:
I dont know don't, that might go down quite well in stoke.isam said:Labours Stoke candidate was an enthusiastic supporter of overthrowing his leader and replacing him with a man who wanted to wreck brexit and have a 2nd referendum
Ukip should mention this at every opportunity
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-378776080 -
Is this a rapprochement between the two of them? Lord Farage incoming!Tim_B said:
Approved is putting it mildly!RobD said:
Don't worry, Farage (of Trump's ear) approved.williamglenn said:
The GOP will lap it up obviously - she's telling them what they want to hear. I'm thinking more about the personal relationship with Trump. He could easily see her as part of the machine he's trying to overturn and if he feels no goodwill will happily sell her down the river when it comes to more important international negotiations.RobD said:
Why did they invite her to tak if they didn't want to hear her views?williamglenn said:
Domestic debate, not domestic policy. To take a clear position on questions which are hugely controversial within the GOP at the moment could be seen as provocative.RobD said:
I must have missed the domestic policy discussion.williamglenn said:
She's dangerously close to interfering in US domestic political debate and needs to be careful she doesn't go away with Trump thinking she's an enemy.HYUFD said:if anything Republicans liked it even more than Trump
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"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.0 -
@PeterAlexander: BREAKING: Spicer tells me 20% tax on Mexican imports is NOT a policy proposal, but example of options how to pay for wall.rcs1000 said:"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.0 -
Ah maybe that bit... just call him a democracy hater!FrancisUrquhart said:
I just meant the overthrowing corbyn bit!isam said:
What ignoring the vote, trying to keep free movement and having another referendum? Doubt itFrancisUrquhart said:
I dont know don't, that might go down quite well in stoke.isam said:Labours Stoke candidate was an enthusiastic supporter of overthrowing his leader and replacing him with a man who wanted to wreck brexit and have a 2nd referendum
Ukip should mention this at every opportunity
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-378776080 -
Milk costs about $2.50 a gallon here.FrancisUrquhart said:I always find some food costs in US bizarre eg milk is stupidly expensive. Obviously I am well aware of the massive corn subsidiaries but why should mill be expensive? Loads of land, etc etc etc .
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You and your alternative facts!rcs1000 said:"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.0 -
Surely the whips have to resignfoxinsoxuk said: ?
To vote against your own whip is utterly preposterous.0 -
Quite apart from it being a three-line whip, you can't have a whip whose public view is so out of line.Pulpstar said:
Surely the whips have to resignfoxinsoxuk said: ?
To vote against your own whip is utterly preposterous.0 -
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.rcs1000 said:"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
The playing field isn't level.0 -
Yes and Obamacare has the highest approval rating. I think when people realise what they have i.e Obamacare they will fight like shit to keep it.foxinsoxuk said:
Didn't Obama have 60% approval when he left office, compared to the incoming Trump on 40%?another_richard said:
Obama is someone who was well thought of before he had power and will be well thought after he has had power but not when he did have power.isam said:
Jesus, Obama fell off a cliff in 09!DanSmith said:
That kills quite a few narratives.RobD said:Trumps favourability numbers aren't doing too badly
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_jan26
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
People like the concept of Obama but not the reality.0 -
There are many ways this could possibly play out.GIN1138 said:
That's probably what's going to happen though isn't it?rcs1000 said:"
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
But if I was Mexico, and I was being bullied in this way, I would probably be falling into the arms of China.
I'm not going to deny being somewhat scared.0 -
I don't think we're at the stage of another Zimmermann telegram yet so things could be worse...rcs1000 said:
There are many ways this could possibly play out.GIN1138 said:
That's probably what's going to happen though isn't it?rcs1000 said:"
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
But if I was Mexico, and I was being bullied in this way, I would probably be falling into the arms of China.
I'm not going to deny being somewhat scared.0 -
I'm not scared but I am concerned....rcs1000 said:
There are many ways this could possibly play out.GIN1138 said:
That's probably what's going to happen though isn't it?rcs1000 said:"
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
But if I was Mexico, and I was being bullied in this way, I would probably be falling into the arms of China.
I'm not going to deny being somewhat scared.0 -
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So, the UK shouldn't have free trade deals with anywhere poorer than them.chestnut said:
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.rcs1000 said:"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
The playing field isn't level.
And nobody richer than the UK should have a free trade deal with us.
It's very simple. Government policy that increases my freedom to make my own choices is good. Free trade deals do that.0 -
Approximately 2/3 of those who applied for Obamacare coverage (those needing major premium subsidies) were dumped into Medicaid. I doubt you'd fight too hard for that.nunu said:
Yes and Obamacare has the highest approval rating. I think when people realise what they have i.e Obamacare they will fight like shit to keep it.foxinsoxuk said:
Didn't Obama have 60% approval when he left office, compared to the incoming Trump on 40%?another_richard said:
Obama is someone who was well thought of before he had power and will be well thought after he has had power but not when he did have power.isam said:
Jesus, Obama fell off a cliff in 09!DanSmith said:
That kills quite a few narratives.RobD said:Trumps favourability numbers aren't doing too badly
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_jan26
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
People like the concept of Obama but not the reality.0 -
CNN didn't carry it, going to "The Lead with Jake Tapper"PlatoSaid said:Full speech
https://youtu.be/ZkdyuOTf5Sk0 -
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Mexico is a lovely country for a road trip. I Drove from Nogales on the Mexican border, right down to Puerto Vallarta once, with a side rail trip to the Copper Canyon. The border is rather tacky, the Sonora desert spectacular. I woudn't fancy it as gringo now, though even then the locals were noticeably more friendly when they learnt that we were from Europe.rcs1000 said:
There are many ways this could possibly play out.GIN1138 said:
That's probably what's going to happen though isn't it?rcs1000 said:"
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
But if I was Mexico, and I was being bullied in this way, I would probably be falling into the arms of China.
I'm not going to deny being somewhat scared.0
