Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.
The playing field isn't level.
So, the UK shouldn't have free trade deals with anywhere poorer than them. And nobody richer than the UK should have a free trade deal with us.
It's very simple. Government policy that increases my freedom to make my own choices is good. Free trade deals do that.
Your freedom perhaps.
How does it not increase everyone's freedom?
Lots of people are stupid. Should we make it easier for them to render their children stupid too by making it even easier to buy cheap processed garbage with no nutritional value?
Lots of people are stupid.
So we should prevent them from making stupid decisions? If they can't be trusted where to buy their chickens from, how can they be trusted to choose the right politicians?
Children can't vote. Sadly they can be stuffed full of cheap processed crap by their parents. Damned right we should protect them as much as possible.
So, only quinoa to be sold in the shops of Britain, a Macdonalds ban.
What a paradise!
If only the poor could afford to be socialists!
Dumb post. Show me your rationale for flooding the market with shit processed food with sod all nutritional value. Why not just allow salted chicken flavoured rice paper to be sold as chicken? It would be cheap, after all. Robert would argue no need to get the government involved in regulating that.
Well as I haven't said any of that I don't think I need to justify it
Fair enough, accepted - then stop ascribing views to me.
I grew up as an interventionist. It has taken a long time for me to realise how destructive it can be. But at the same time the opposite worries me. Foreign policy is difficult.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
Just popped in after dinner at an overpriced restaurant in Chelsea and upon a quick skim I see people are in favour of tearing up our trade deals with Africa because unit labour costs are cheaper over there.
Have I got that right?
OT but Rabbit on the KR is just excellent. Decent Bachhus on the wine list too.
Do you know what happened the last time the world lurched into protectionism? I ask because that was a hell of a lot worse than the current situation: you know the situation where a record proportion of the population is employed.
I would also point out that those developed countries with the fewest trade barriers (like Switzerland, which has a FTA with China) are the ones with the lowest levels of unemployment.
You are making a big leap into assuming that Trump's discontent over a trade deal with Mexico is somehow lurching into overall protectionism.
Perhaps, he's just looking for more suitable partners?
A bit like Brexit.
Nothing in Trump's rhetoric suggests he is looking for more suitable partners. He is looking to screw over weaker countries (which compared to US is everyone).
And everything he has done so far suggests he intends to follow through on his rhetoric.
I'm not sure what I think about May's speech with a nod to end liberal interventionism.
My views are far closer to Blair's and Osborne's in the UK aiming to shape the world around us, rather than isolationist.
I agree on that on the latter part.
Dropping bombs on people until they agree to adopt our systems of governance has not actually proved to be a very successful strategy in recent years.
Indeed, we need to do more than that.
One of my major critcisms of George W Bush was he said America didn't do nation building, he was wrong, America helped build West Germany and Japan into successful nations
Just popped in after dinner at an overpriced restaurant in Chelsea and upon a quick skim I see people are in favour of tearing up our trade deals with Africa because unit labour costs are cheaper over there.
Have I got that right?
it depends. What is their side saying? That is where we are nowadays.
Just popped in after dinner at an overpriced restaurant in Chelsea and upon a quick skim I see people are in favour of tearing up our trade deals with Africa because unit labour costs are cheaper over there.
Have I got that right?
it depends. What is their side saying? That is where we are nowadays.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
I'm not sure what I think about May's speech with a nod to end liberal interventionism.
My views are far closer to Blair's and Osborne's in the UK aiming to shape the world around us, rather than isolationist.
I agree on that on the latter part.
Dropping bombs on people until they agree to adopt our systems of governance has not actually proved to be a very successful strategy in recent years.
Indeed, we need to do more than that.
One of my major critcisms of George W Bush was he said America didn't do nation building, he was wrong, America helped build West Germany and Japan into successful nations
And we built America.
If the US and UK, and others, don't shape the world around us: China and Russia will.
"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.
The playing field isn't level.
So, the UK shouldn't have free trade deals with anywhere poorer than them. And nobody richer than the UK should have a free trade deal with us.
It's very simple. Government policy that increases my freedom to make my own choices is good. Free trade deals do that.
Your freedom perhaps.
How does it not increase everyone's freedom?
Lots of people are stupid. Should we make it easier for them to render their children stupid too by making it even easier to buy cheap processed garbage with no nutritional value?
Lots of people are stupid.
So we should prevent them from making stupid decisions? If they can't be trusted where to buy their chickens from, how can they be trusted to choose the right politicians?
Children can't vote. Sadly they can be stuffed full of cheap processed crap by their parents. Damned right we should protect them as much as possible.
So, only quinoa to be sold in the shops of Britain, a Macdonalds ban.
What a paradise!
If only the poor could afford to be socialists!
Dumb post. Show me your rationale for flooding the market with shit processed food with sod all nutritional value. Why not just allow salted chicken flavoured rice paper to be sold as chicken? It would be cheap, after all. Robert would argue no need to get the government involved in regulating that.
Well as I haven't said any of that I don't think I need to justify it
Fair enough, accepted - then stop ascribing views to me.
"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.
The playing field isn't level.
So, the UK shouldn't have free trade deals with anywhere poorer than them. And nobody richer than the UK should have a free trade deal with us.
It's very simple. Government policy that increases my freedom to make my own choices is good. Free trade deals do that.
Not quite, but we should choose our partners carefully, and we should be selective in the things we trade freely.
Unlimited, unfettered, anything goes, super-liberalism is stupid.
I've yet to hear a compelling argument why a group of people making a decision for me is better than me making a decision for myself.
It isn't about you though, it's about 65m people.
Yes, and those 65m people would be better served by being allowed to buy from whom they choose. The alternative, that a small number of politicians - lobbied by rich industrialists - choose to protect industries, and push up prices for consumers. Crony capitalism is not just economically efficient, it is morally wrong.
Flooding the market with with cheap imported processed food is morally wrong.
Allowing people to make their own decisions, which affect only themselves, is not wrong.
Surely you're not arguing for the complete abolition of food standards ?
That is the reductio ad absurdum argument. No one is saying there should not be any standards. But taking the logical fallacy to its other extreme we would ban everything that was considered in any way harmful starting with alcohol.
"Trump said to eye 20% border tax on Mexican imports to pay for wall" - says the FT
That - obviously - fails the "non-discriminatory" requirement of the WTO Treaties. The whole point about the WTO is that it establishes a common set of rules and prevents the big from bullying the little. I cannot see how the US remains a signatory to the treaties if it goes down this route.
We will all lose from the end of the age of free trade.
You can't have a common set of rules on tariffs etc, without common rules on minimum wages, labour regulations, business and property taxes etc etc.
The playing field isn't level.
So, the UK shouldn't have free trade deals with anywhere poorer than them. And nobody richer than the UK should have a free trade deal with us.
It's very simple. Government policy that increases my freedom to make my own choices is good. Free trade deals do that.
Not quite, but we should choose our partners carefully, and we should be selective in the things we trade freely.
Unlimited, unfettered, anything goes, super-liberalism is stupid.
I've yet to hear a compelling argument why a group of people making a decision for me is better than me making a decision for myself.
It isn't about you though, it's about 65m people.
Yes, and those 65m people would be better served by being allowed to buy from whom they choose. The alternative, that a small number of politicians - lobbied by rich industrialists - choose to protect industries, and push up prices for consumers. Crony capitalism is not just economically efficient, it is morally wrong.
Flooding the market with with cheap imported processed food is morally wrong.
The nanny state that limits my choices and tells me what I should do is wrong.
Including your choice of cheap Mexican vehicles? ;-)
Not at all sure what cheap Mexican vehicles have got to do with anything I have said. I am a free-trader so have nothing against Mexican-made vehicles per se, and even better if they are cheaper for the same quality.
Key to the issue of regulation is information and informed consent/decision-making. There is clearly room for regulation where information imbalances are intractable. Pharmaceuticals is an obvious area. But, in my view, the general principle is that each person should be sovereign for their own choices that only affect themselves.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
Surprise surprise, Miliband prefers Merkel to May..
The virtue signaller's virtue signaller.
The threat to plain English is greater than even I feared.
I can't believe that preferring one political leader over another is now 'virtue signalling'. People may as well state 'virtue signalling' is anything I disagree with.
I'm not sure what I think about May's speech with a nod to end liberal interventionism.
My views are far closer to Blair's and Osborne's in the UK aiming to shape the world around us, rather than isolationist.
I agree on that on the latter part.
Dropping bombs on people until they agree to adopt our systems of governance has not actually proved to be a very successful strategy in recent years.
Indeed, we need to do more than that.
One of my major critcisms of George W Bush was he said America didn't do nation building, he was wrong, America helped build West Germany and Japan into successful nations
It also encouraged behind the scenes the formation of the Coal and Steel Community, the EEC and the EU. No repeat of 1939-45, please.
I think May's been reading Peter Hitchen's blog, or her advisers have. She quoted his phrase 'half in half out' of the EU. Now she advocates the policy of non-intervention which he's supported for years.
Do you know what happened the last time the world lurched into protectionism? I ask because that was a hell of a lot worse than the current situation: you know the situation where a record proportion of the population is employed.
I would also point out that those developed countries with the fewest trade barriers (like Switzerland, which has a FTA with China) are the ones with the lowest levels of unemployment.
Would you advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe? Would the advantages of such an approach to consumers and even to businesses, outweigh the disadvantages?
These are genuine questions - I've read opinions for and against such a radical approach, and am undecided. For example, I appreciate that manufacturers might find themselves competing with both cheap foreign imports and asymmetric barriers to exporting, but on the other hand they would have access to tariff-free supplies of all materials - and consumers would surely benefit from tariff-free imports, especially of food, from the rest of the world outside of the EU customs union?
Tariffs are paid for by the country placing them: they are a tax and are paid for by the consumers and producer of that country. Their appeal is emotional rather than economic. For example, Trump's 20% tariff would be paid for by the American consumer buying the good, not the Mexican producer making it. But the American consumer hears "20% tariff against Mexico!" and feels warm and fuzzy...at least until they see the prices.
Even if country x places tariffs against you, it is still to your advantage to not reciprocate. But because of the emotional appeal to the electorate this is politically difficult. It requires a strong leadership with economic good sense, which is pretty rare. Singapore pulled it off. and (if memory serves) has a tariff-free environment. Hopefully the UK will do likewise, but given Hannan's recent characterisation of tariffs as income (Jesus wept), it may not.
So yes, I would advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe.
I'm not sure what I think about May's speech with a nod to end liberal interventionism.
My views are far closer to Blair's and Osborne's in the UK aiming to shape the world around us, rather than isolationist.
I agree on that on the latter part.
Dropping bombs on people until they agree to adopt our systems of governance has not actually proved to be a very successful strategy in recent years.
Indeed, we need to do more than that.
One of my major critcisms of George W Bush was he said America didn't do nation building, he was wrong, America helped build West Germany and Japan into successful nations
Germany and Japan are special examples as they were an existential threat to our way of life. We did not bomb them to impose our views but to stop them imposing theirs. But generally nation building should be done by example and help not by imposition.
I can see we've had a comradely debate about food standards while I've been lollygagging.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
TSE I know you are a lawyer, but you don't sound like one from the British Common Law tradition - you sound more like Hammurabi or Napolean.
The more you write down, the more inflexible you get, and the more you lose.
Comparing me to a Frenchman is a low blow.
In fact that's that's the most gratuitous insult I've ever received on PB.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint, and indeed support the principle, my issue is that we've started to codify things, we should finish the job, otherwise we'll have more botch jobs like when Blair tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
Best careful what you wish for. I have no faith that the great and the good who would write our nice new constitution would have the best interests of the public at heart. Nor that they would have the foresight to construct something that would prove flexible and adaptable enough to deal with a rapidly changing world.
Talking of Japan, watched Hacksaw Ridge tonight, very impressive, definitely deserves the plaudits.
It helps explain why invading Honshu would have cost so many lives, and why dropping the atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved more lives than they killed.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
TSE I know you are a lawyer, but you don't sound like one from the British Common Law tradition - you sound more like Hammurabi or Napolean.
The more you write down, the more inflexible you get, and the more you lose.
Comparing me to a Frenchman is a low blow.
In fact that's that's the most gratuitous insult I've ever received on PB.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint, and indeed support the principle, my issue is that we've started to codify things, we should finish the job, otherwise we'll have more botch jobs like when Blair tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
TSE I know you are a lawyer, but you don't sound like one from the British Common Law tradition - you sound more like Hammurabi or Napolean.
The more you write down, the more inflexible you get, and the more you lose.
Comparing me to a Frenchman is a low blow.
In fact that's that's the most gratuitous insult I've ever received on PB.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint, and indeed support the principle, my issue is that we've started to codify things, we should finish the job, otherwise we'll have more botch jobs like when Blair tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor.
Show me your rationale for flooding the market with shit processed food with sod all nutritional value.
Because some of the "shit processed food with sod all nutritional value" isn't shit and does have some nutritional value. A basic McDonalds/BurgerKing burger has been 99p for what, nearly 20 years now? It'll never appear on a Jamie Oliver Sunday morning twat show where nice people think cooking in pastel clothing is entertainment. But it's cheap, quick and takes the edge off a cold winter's morning.
Do you know what happened the last time the world lurched into protectionism? I ask because that was a hell of a lot worse than the current situation: you know the situation where a record proportion of the population is employed.
I would also point out that those developed countries with the fewest trade barriers (like Switzerland, which has a FTA with China) are the ones with the lowest levels of unemployment.
Would you advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe? Would the advantages of such an approach to consumers and even to businesses, outweigh the disadvantages?
These are genuine questions - I've read opinions for and against such a radical approach, and am undecided. For example, I appreciate that manufacturers might find themselves competing with both cheap foreign imports and asymmetric barriers to exporting, but on the other hand they would have access to tariff-free supplies of all materials - and consumers would surely benefit from tariff-free imports, especially of food, from the rest of the world outside of the EU customs union?
Tariffs are paid for by the country placing them: they are a tax and are paid for by the consumers and producer of that country. Their appeal is emotional rather than economic. For example, Trump's 20% tariff would be paid for by the American consumer buying the good, not the Mexican producer making it. But the American consumer hears "20% tariff against Mexico!" and feels warm and fuzzy...at least until they see the prices.
Even if country x places tariffs against you, it is still to your advantage to not reciprocate. But because of the emotional appeal to the electorate this is politically difficult. It requires a strong leadership with economic good sense, which is pretty rare. Singapore pulled it off. and (if memory serves) has a tariff-free environment. Hopefully the UK will do likewise, but given Hannan's recent characterisation of tariffs as income (Jesus wept), it may not.
So yes, I would advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe.
I'm not sure what I think about May's speech with a nod to end liberal interventionism.
My views are far closer to Blair's and Osborne's in the UK aiming to shape the world around us, rather than isolationist.
Didn't May vote for the Iraq war, bombing Libya and bombing Syria? While the LDs opposed them?
Am I suffering from alternative facts, or is she?
You learn the most from your mistakes as you've no doubt discovered in your practice.
Some say a wise man learns from his mistakes. I say that a really wise person learns from observing others mistakes, and historical mistakes. We do not need to start with a blank sheet of paper.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
TSE I know you are a lawyer, but you don't sound like one from the British Common Law tradition - you sound more like Hammurabi or Napolean.
The more you write down, the more inflexible you get, and the more you lose.
Comparing me to a Frenchman is a low blow.
In fact that's that's the most gratuitous insult I've ever received on PB.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint, and indeed support the principle, my issue is that we've started to codify things, we should finish the job, otherwise we'll have more botch jobs like when Blair tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor.
And Blair read Jurisprudence and was a QC.
Blair wasn't a QC
That seems to be true, but why not? I thought if you have been called to the bar and become a Minister you got an automatic upgrade.
Do you know what happened the last time the world lurched into protectionism? I ask because that was a hell of a lot worse than the current situation: you know the situation where a record proportion of the population is employed.
I would also point out that those developed countries with the fewest trade barriers (like Switzerland, which has a FTA with China) are the ones with the lowest levels of unemployment.
Would you advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe? Would the advantages of such an approach to consumers and even to businesses, outweigh the disadvantages?
These are genuine questions - I've read opinions for and against such a radical approach, and am undecided. For example, I appreciate that manufacturers might find themselves competing with both cheap foreign imports and asymmetric barriers to exporting, but on the other hand they would have access to tariff-free supplies of all materials - and consumers would surely benefit from tariff-free imports, especially of food, from the rest of the world outside of the EU customs union?
Tariffs are paid for by the country placing them: they are a tax and are paid for by the consumers and producer of that country. Their appeal is emotional rather than economic. For example, Trump's 20% tariff would be paid for by the American consumer buying the good, not the Mexican producer making it. But the American consumer hears "20% tariff against Mexico!" and feels warm and fuzzy...at least until they see the prices.
Even if country x places tariffs against you, it is still to your advantage to not reciprocate. But because of the emotional appeal to the electorate this is politically difficult. It requires a strong leadership with economic good sense, which is pretty rare. Singapore pulled it off. and (if memory serves) has a tariff-free environment. Hopefully the UK will do likewise, but given Hannan's recent characterisation of tariffs as income (Jesus wept), it may not.
So yes, I would advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
How could a lecturer promise that. I don't say a tutor does not bring forward exculpatory remarks on a student's behalf, such as a period of illness, but they barely make a difference.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
How could a lecturer promise that. I don't say a tutor does not bring forward exculpatory remarks on a student's behalf, such as a period of illness, but they barely make a difference.
A seducer has been known to speak alternative facts to get his way!
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights, sources suggest
Theresa May is preparing to abandon plans for a British Bill of Rights after Britain leaves the European Union, Government sources have suggested.
Ministers have confirmed that the Government's plans to scrap the Human Rights Act have been shelved until after Brexit.
However sources told The Daily Telegraph that the plans may now be abandoned entirely because Brexit will significantly strengthen the sovereignty of British courts.
They also highlighted the Brexit judgement by the Supreme Court earlier this week which made clear that Britain will no longer be subject to European Court of Justice rulings after Brexit.
Once free of the ECJ we don't need a bill of rights and we've done without one for a millennium . Seems logical.
Nah, what we've done is partly codified parts of the constitution and left swathes of it unwritten.
We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
They say between 2 it's great, but between 3 it's incredible. You nearly got to find out!
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
They say between 2 it's great, but between 3 it's incredible. You nearly got to find out!
I can see we've had a comradely debate about food standards while I've been lollygagging.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
I was bemused by that. I thought the connector only worked one way with us importing nuclear generated electricity from France. It is interesting if it now works in both directions.
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
Absolutely! And most pasta meals (something derived from peasant meals) are quick and easy to prepare and taste delicious. Also nutritionally sound and healthy if prepared from scratch. A pasta sauce should take no longer to prepare than the time it takes to cook the (dried) pasta!
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
They say between 2 it's great, but between 3 it's incredible. You nearly got to find out!
How do we know he didn't ;-)
Benefit of the doubt - I always think pure thoughts.
People moving to Tory from SLab. In Kilmarnock. They are utterly effed in May. Better stock up on the popcorn to watch them getting horsed out of Glasgow CC.
My 'repulsive' university tutor offered me a top degree if I slept with him, says Labour feminist firebrand Harriet Harman
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
Don't read the comment section if easily offended ;-)
As a young post-doc I had a student approach me in the pub upon when she offered me a good time in return for a good grade on the "module" I was teaching that term...in addition to obviously been a professional about such an approach, what she failed to notice was future Mrs urquhart having returned from the loos and standing right behind her!
I hope you said "Whoot! Threesome!"
Before I could utter a word, Mrs urquhart informed the young lady if she would like to reconsider making such an offer (or words to that effect).
I can see we've had a comradely debate about food standards while I've been lollygagging.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
I was bemused by that. I thought the connector only worked one way with us importing nuclear generated electricity from France. It is interesting if it now works in both directions.
People moving to Tory from SLab. In Kilmarnock. They are utterly effed in May. Better stock up on the popcorn to watch them getting horsed out of Glasgow CC.
I'm not sure what Glasgow Cricket Club has to do with it but it looks like a nice enough ground.
People moving to Tory from SLab. In Kilmarnock. They are utterly effed in May. Better stock up on the popcorn to watch them getting horsed out of Glasgow CC.
@Richard Tyndall That is the reductio ad absurdum argument. No one is saying there should not be any standards. But taking the logical fallacy to its other extreme we would ban everything that was considered in any way harmful starting with alcohol
Precisely my point; both reductio are silly. But I would argue that modern society is sufficiently complex that the asymmetry in information between a specialist manufacturer and the average consumer demands regulation. The real argument lies somewhere in the middle. While I have libertarian sympathies - I would legalise (with regulation) the supply of most recreational drugs for example - libertarian dogma often just seems silly
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
Absolutely! And most pasta meals (something derived from peasant meals) are quick and easy to prepare and taste delicious. Also nutritionally sound and healthy if prepared from scratch. A pasta sauce should take no longer to prepare than the time it takes to cook the (dried) pasta!
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
Absolutely! And most pasta meals (something derived from peasant meals) are quick and easy to prepare and taste delicious. Also nutritionally sound and healthy if prepared from scratch. A pasta sauce should take no longer to prepare than the time it takes to cook the (dried) pasta!
Neither pasta nor risotto are nutritious meals.
They have carbohydrate, protein and vegetables, if you do a proper meal with them
People moving to Tory from SLab. In Kilmarnock. They are utterly effed in May. Better stock up on the popcorn to watch them getting horsed out of Glasgow CC.
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
Absolutely! And most pasta meals (something derived from peasant meals) are quick and easy to prepare and taste delicious. Also nutritionally sound and healthy if prepared from scratch. A pasta sauce should take no longer to prepare than the time it takes to cook the (dried) pasta!
Neither pasta nor risotto are nutritious meals.
Yet the Italians have the second longest life expectancies in Europe, after Spain.
I can see we've had a comradely debate about food standards while I've been lollygagging.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
I was bemused by that. I thought the connector only worked one way with us importing nuclear generated electricity from France. It is interesting if it now works in both directions.
The French have been having problems with their nukes recently and have had to take a bunch offline. They're struggling a bit a the moment.
O/T I've had a couple of thoughts about food costs.
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
Risotto. It's a one pound meal that can be absolutely delicious.
Absolutely! And most pasta meals (something derived from peasant meals) are quick and easy to prepare and taste delicious. Also nutritionally sound and healthy if prepared from scratch. A pasta sauce should take no longer to prepare than the time it takes to cook the (dried) pasta!
Neither pasta nor risotto are nutritious meals.
Yet the Italians have the second longest life expectancies in Europe, after Spain.
It's the olive oil and all that red wine wot does it!
I can see we've had a comradely debate about food standards while I've been lollygagging.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
I was bemused by that. I thought the connector only worked one way with us importing nuclear generated electricity from France. It is interesting if it now works in both directions.
The French have been having problems with their nukes recently and have had to take a bunch offline. They're struggling a bit a the moment.
When the original connector was installed it was thought that there would be bi-directional flows because the time difference meant that the peak demand in the two countries would differ. However the French went nuclear in a big way and that meant they 'always' had a surplus of cheap electricity to sell into our market so ithe flow is usually into the UK unless, as the previous poster says, their nukes are offline. (The original French interconnector was at Dungeness, the latest one is near Folkestone and also designed for bi-directional flows).
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We need to ensure of all it is written down.
Just remember prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the grounds for the Monarch granting/denying an early general election was based on a letter to The Times in the 50s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles
Am I suffering from alternative facts, or is she?
One of my major critcisms of George W Bush was he said America didn't do nation building, he was wrong, America helped build West Germany and Japan into successful nations
The virtue signaller's virtue signaller.
Then Jeremy Corbyn came along. He may yet be the future again.
If the US and UK, and others, don't shape the world around us: China and Russia will.
Like what?
Key to the issue of regulation is information and informed consent/decision-making. There is clearly room for regulation where information imbalances are intractable. Pharmaceuticals is an obvious area. But, in my view, the general principle is that each person should be sovereign for their own choices that only affect themselves.
TSE I know you are a lawyer, but you don't sound like one from the British Common Law tradition - you sound more like Hammurabi or Napolean.
The more you write down, the more inflexible you get, and the more you lose.
I think May's been reading Peter Hitchen's blog, or her advisers have. She quoted his phrase 'half in half out' of the EU. Now she advocates the policy of non-intervention which he's supported for years.
Even if country x places tariffs against you, it is still to your advantage to not reciprocate. But because of the emotional appeal to the electorate this is politically difficult. It requires a strong leadership with economic good sense, which is pretty rare. Singapore pulled it off. and (if memory serves) has a tariff-free environment. Hopefully the UK will do likewise, but given Hannan's recent characterisation of tariffs as income (Jesus wept), it may not.
So yes, I would advocate that the UK saves itself the bother of having to negotiate free trade agreements by simply declaring a policy of unilateral free trade with the entire globe.
Further to the posts on the wheezing national grid, I can inform the panel that the demand has eased, but inexplicably, the Frogs are stealing our electricity. Don't anyone tell the Express.
In fact that's that's the most gratuitous insult I've ever received on PB.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint, and indeed support the principle, my issue is that we've started to codify things, we should finish the job, otherwise we'll have more botch jobs like when Blair tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor.
And Blair read Jurisprudence and was a QC.
It was all there to see.
It helps explain why invading Honshu would have cost so many lives, and why dropping the atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved more lives than they killed.
She said her course tutor, Professor T V Sathyamurthy, told her she was a borderline candidate and would either obtain an upper or lower second – a 2:1 or 2:2.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4162044/Harriet-Harman-accuses-professor-sex-bribe.html
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"It's almost a trend in the SNP not to want to accept the outcomes of referendums"
There are a number of systems that kick in when someone is classified as 'long term unemployed'. A lot of these systems require the unemployed person to attend schemes and programs where attendance is mandatory. Why not add one that covers food purchasing, healthy nutrition, and meal preparation and planning? This would educate in really practical skills and on completion a free slow cooker would be far better than any certificate
This may sound patronising but having gone through a number of very lean years, I know the value of knowing how to cook tasty nutritious food on a limited budget and having to watch fuel costs.
No apology necessary chaps.
British officials apparently relying on John McCain to be the voice of reason in the US...
glasgowaccies.cc
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/824762105987465221
That is the reductio ad absurdum argument. No one is saying there should not be any standards. But taking the logical fallacy to its other extreme we would ban everything that was considered in any way harmful starting with alcohol
Precisely my point; both reductio are silly. But I would argue that modern society is sufficiently complex that the asymmetry in information between a specialist manufacturer and the average consumer demands regulation. The real argument lies somewhere in the middle.
While I have libertarian sympathies - I would legalise (with regulation) the supply of most recreational drugs for example - libertarian dogma often just seems silly
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