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progressiveCarlottaVance said:
Because they think of them as 'bitches in heat' who can 'give blow jobs'?Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
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Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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Get used to chlorine washed chicken.rkrkrk said:
My fear is that May/Tories are so desperate for a good news story once brexit gets going that we sign up to an awful deal with America...AlastairMeeks said:
Right now Britain has to take the gamble. It is in a strategically dire position and can't sit back.Roger said:
That's fine if she was meeting a serious or proven politician who played by any known rules. She's meeting Coco the Clown or Chance the gardener and she'd be much better letting someone else with less to lose be the experiment.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
Toby Perkins MP @tobyperkinsmp 45s45 seconds ago
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I'm one of 40 + MPs who've written to May to say Hard Brexit strategy is unnecessarily damaging, she should rethink.
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He projects the image of a rich privileged bloke who robbed your kids of £54k at Uni and reminds people why they voted out.surbiton said:
Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202
Why do it? Because it works! I am immediately reminded of this
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Wasn't that the preserve of a certain ex-Tory MP born in Liverpool ?CarlottaVance said:
Because they think of them as 'bitches in heat' who can 'give blow jobs'?Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
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If so, the US/UK trade deal will give Tesco the right to sell GM potatoes and hormone-filled dairy produce ...rkrkrk said:
My fear is that May/Tories are so desperate for a good news story once brexit gets going that we sign up to an awful deal with America...AlastairMeeks said:
Right now Britain has to take the gamble. It is in a strategically dire position and can't sit back.Roger said:
That's fine if she was meeting a serious or proven politician who played by any known rules. She's meeting Coco the Clown or Chance the gardener and she'd be much better letting someone else with less to lose be the experiment.AlastairMeeks said:
That's a fair summary.CarlottaVance said:Toby Helm, in The Grauniad:
Theresa May has sealed a major diplomatic coup by becoming the first European leader to secure a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House....
...May, who unlike Trump is known for measuring her every word, has said she will hold very “frank” discussions with the president and has been openly critical of some of his more outspoken remarks, notably about women.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/21/theresa-may-to-travel-to-us-for-donald-trump-visit-next-week-reports
She has to be as good as her word on this. On this occasion, I expect she will be.0 -
After the meeting on Friday it will be interesting to compare any press statements.
If Trump says something like "We have agreed a trade deal where for every Jaguar sold in the US, the UK will import a Chevy in return", what would the response be?0 -
Pardon?surbiton said:
With a silly system like PR, it can always happen.OldKingCole said:
Just like the UK in 1951.surbiton said:
No. Unlike Brexit the people were NOT wrong! THe people voted by 3m for the other person. The system is wrong!CarlottaVance said:
Simple! As with Brexit, the people are wrongAlanbrooke said:
I cant help the left need to fill theiir current grief with activity - demos, boycotts etc. - when really what they should be doing is ask why the man got elected in the first place.CarlottaVance said:
NO! Much better decide beforehand!Alanbrooke said:
Which is perhaps why its best to see what happens in the meeting firstOldKingCole said:
So did I and I agree with Roger. Blair’s big, big, mistake was to believe that he HAD to go along with anything an American President said. Wilson, and Robin Cook, had a lot better grasp of reality there.Alanbrooke said:
you voted for BlairRoger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Merkel in first = 'May humiliated, Britain sidelined'
May in first = 'May is bitch in heat, Merkel wise to wait'
If Twitter is any guide, the Trump Presidency is over.....just ask Prime Ministers Miliband and Salmond.....0 -
Because Mrs Balls and Tory Liz have the wrong kind of policies.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
Be very happy to vote for Angela Rayner0 -
Yes, that's true. But somehow I get the impression that you think the Tories had nothing to do with it. After all, it was in their manifesto.Alanbrooke said:
He projects the image of a rich privileged bloke who robbed your kids of £54k at Uni and reminds people why they voted out.surbiton said:
Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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The UK will only leave the EU in name; in practice, it will remain closely entangled with it (see Peter Hitchens' recent blogs on the Mail on Sunday website). The referendum vote was only advisory and all the "great and good" of the UK establishment will ensure that the negotiations lead to continued entrapment within the EU's institutions.bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins MP @tobyperkinsmp 45s45 seconds ago
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I'm one of 40 + MPs who've written to May to say Hard Brexit strategy is unnecessarily damaging, she should rethink.
Oh dear0 -
we should import lots of ChevysScott_P said:After the meeting on Friday it will be interesting to compare any press statements.
If Trump says something like "We have agreed a trade deal where for every Jaguar sold in the US, the UK will import a Chevy in return", what would the response be?
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k0 -
On topic - how does Carswell get on with fellow MPs?
Have his ex Tory colleagues forgiven him for defecting?
Also - just seems a bit weird that ukips only MP would become speaker.
That said 100-1 shots can have a few problems with them and still be value...
And I can imagine that with Brexit actually achieved/in motion...Carswell might welcome this new post and a chance to speaker in a new, sovereign, reinvigorated parliament.
Definitely a better bet than Osborne or Salmond on the available odds...0 -
nah, because women are just window dressingbigjohnowls said:
Because Mrs Balls and Tory Liz have the wrong kind of policies.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
Be very happy to vote for Angela Rayner
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8086314.stm0 -
The tories were bastards too, Cameron got a free education but decided everyone else should pay more, my views on David Willetts have been well aired on here over the years.surbiton said:
Yes, that's true. But somehow I get the impression that you think the Tories had nothing to do with it. After all, it was in their manifesto.Alanbrooke said:
He projects the image of a rich privileged bloke who robbed your kids of £54k at Uni and reminds people why they voted out.surbiton said:
Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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Who is the "we" in that statement. We, the British public, don't want to buy Chevy's for £10k. That's why we don't do it now. They're crap.Alanbrooke said:we should import lots of Chevys
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k0 -
I hope John Bercow stays on. He's been an effective chair of the house, using humour and force as needed. He has a solid record on procedure (compare with Robin Newton in NI) and I've appreciated his efforts at modernising. The worst that can be said is that he likes the sound of his own voice and has a fruity wife.
The Commons is likely to be the centre ground for many shenanigans over Brexit till the next election and an effective Speaker is needed more than ever. No time for a novice as someone might say. He could agree to serve the full term and stand down at the next election without much rancour.0 -
The one thing Trump's cabinet is stuffed with is businessmen, I'd expect trade deals to be good for the USA.Scott_P said:
Who is the "we" in that statement. We, the British public, don't want to buy Chevy's for £10k. That's why we don't do it now. They're crap.Alanbrooke said:we should import lots of Chevys
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k0 -
scrap them or resell youre still £30k to the good - cant you do sums ?Scott_P said:
Who is the "we" in that statement. We, the British public, don't want to buy Chevy's for £10k. That's why we don't do it now. They're crap.Alanbrooke said:we should import lots of Chevys
we buy Chevy for £10k
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But as discussed she seems to be under relentless pressure from the UKIP side to 'deliver', this includes her H of C 'headbangers', and under weak influence from the other direction, with Europhile voices like Ken Clarke semi-retired, Heseltine retired and probably more interested in reafforestation and Tim Farron leading a party of just 8 MPs (thanks to the vagaries of FPTP).daodao said:
The UK will only leave the EU in name; in practice, it will remain closely entangled with it (see Peter Hitchens' recent blogs on the Mail on Sunday website). The referendum vote was only advisory and all the "great and good" of the UK establishment will ensure that the negotiations lead to continued entrapment within the EU's institutions.bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins MP @tobyperkinsmp 45s45 seconds ago
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I'm one of 40 + MPs who've written to May to say Hard Brexit strategy is unnecessarily damaging, she should rethink.
Oh dear
Peter Hitchens has been saying 'half in half out' since 2015 or earlier. Friends have been saying to me 'don't worry, the political class will never permit us to leave'. If so, irresistible force (Leave) does meet immoveable object (Remain by whatever form of words it takes) in the period 2017-19.0 -
Be better 'If they still made '57 Chevrolets’Alanbrooke said:
we should import lots of ChevysScott_P said:After the meeting on Friday it will be interesting to compare any press statements.
If Trump says something like "We have agreed a trade deal where for every Jaguar sold in the US, the UK will import a Chevy in return", what would the response be?
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k
See Billie Jo Spears0 -
You can march as far as you want, burn limos, chuck rocks through shop windows, wave your well thought out placards and scream on twitter until your lungs explode, but Trump is still President. He is barmier than I thought he would be, and the first day or so hasn't exactly filled me with hope, but the US system made him top dog, and we have to deal with him. May is right to go and see him. Every world leader will need to meet him.
Oh, and you Labour fellas really don't do your party any favours with the way you talk about women who don't share your political beliefs. Stay classy, lads.0 -
Trump is Macbeth. He's mad, but there's a lot of method to his madness. Undermining the media is policy, as it allows him to control his message. So he picks a fight about something silly like the number of people turning up to his inauguration.foxinsoxuk said:
Trump is very much the Emperor's new clothes. That is why he is so prickly over the size of the crowds. He knows the Truth and believes that he can overcome it with bombastic demagogary.0 -
Oh dear.Alanbrooke said:scrap them or resell youre still £30k to the good - cant you do sums ?
Who gets the £40k for the Jag, and who pays the £10k?
I can clearly do sums better than the Brexiteers this morning...0 -
Can't do irony either I seeScott_P said:
Oh dear.Alanbrooke said:scrap them or resell youre still £30k to the good - cant you do sums ?
Who gets the £40k for the Jag, and who pays the £10k?
I can clearly do sums better than the Brexiteers this morning...0 -
Oh dear. Again...Alanbrooke said:Can't do irony either I see
Making an arse of yourself is not ironic.0 -
Stay?TwistedFireStopper said:
Oh, and you Labour fellas really don't do your party any favours with the way you talk about women who don't share your political beliefs. Stay classy, lads.
It's not an accident that the so called 'progressives' have yet to elect a female leader 40 years after the Tories.....
Otherwise agree 100%0 -
The Mogg would be the most telegenic, especially for viewers from abroad who marvel at the Member for the 18th.C. Carswell might be better at constitutional matters and the rights of parliament when standing up against the executive.tpfkar said:I hope John Bercow stays on. He's been an effective chair of the house, using humour and force as needed. He has a solid record on procedure (compare with Robin Newton in NI) and I've appreciated his efforts at modernising. The worst that can be said is that he likes the sound of his own voice and has a fruity wife.
The Commons is likely to be the centre ground for many shenanigans over Brexit till the next election and an effective Speaker is needed more than ever. No time for a novice as someone might say. He could agree to serve the full term and stand down at the next election without much rancour.0 -
I'd a peek at Twitter in the small hours - and I ended crying with laughter at some of the ridiculous antics, wailing, unfortunate photos of protestors.TwistedFireStopper said:You can march as far as you want, burn limos, chuck rocks through shop windows, wave your well thought out placards and scream on twitter until your lungs explode, but Trump is still President. He is barmier than I thought he would be, and the first day or so hasn't exactly filled me with hope, but the US system made him top dog, and we have to deal with him. May is right to go and see him. Every world leader will need to meet him.
Oh, and you Labour fellas really don't do your party any favours with the way you talk about women who don't share your political beliefs. Stay classy, lads.
The interweb never forgets - and I'd die of embarrassment if I appeared in any of them.0 -
The US don't really make European cars, except BMWs maybe we should import them from the US rather than Germany?Alanbrooke said:
we should import lots of ChevysScott_P said:After the meeting on Friday it will be interesting to compare any press statements.
If Trump says something like "We have agreed a trade deal where for every Jaguar sold in the US, the UK will import a Chevy in return", what would the response be?
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k0 -
100/1 seems remarkably generous. Hard to imagine that the pool of serious candidates that would garner enough support from fellow MPs is much bigger than ten or a dozen. 100/1 makes Carswell a rank outsider in that pool.rkrkrk said:On topic - how does Carswell get on with fellow MPs?
Have his ex Tory colleagues forgiven him for defecting?
Also - just seems a bit weird that ukips only MP would become speaker.
That said 100-1 shots can have a few problems with them and still be value...
And I can imagine that with Brexit actually achieved/in motion...Carswell might welcome this new post and a chance to speaker in a new, sovereign, reinvigorated parliament.
Definitely a better bet than Osborne or Salmond on the available odds...
Also, on Buggins's Turn Theory, it really need sto be a non-Tory next. Tory MPs could happily vote for Carswell as "a UKIP guy", knowing that when push comes to shove, Carswell is more likely to meet their ideal for Speaker than a Labour or SNP bod.0 -
And bad for us. Poorer food standards. ISDS court for multinationals. One thing it won't deliver - Taking Back Control.Pulpstar said:
The one thing Trump's cabinet is stuffed with is businessmen, I'd expect trade deals to be good for the USA.Scott_P said:
Who is the "we" in that statement. We, the British public, don't want to buy Chevy's for £10k. That's why we don't do it now. They're crap.Alanbrooke said:we should import lots of Chevys
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k
The US/EU tariffs are already relatively low. It is the regulations and standards that are the problem. US will insist for the UK that they are US standards. It might cause us problems exporting UK goods with US standard to the EU.0 -
Clegg is defiant. But he was instrumental to enabling Brexit.0
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My mate bought a BMW in the US in 2000. The deal they offered him was to fly to the factory in Germany to see the car coming off the production line, drive it round Europe for 2 weeks, then it was shipped the US.logical_song said:The US don't really make European cars, except BMWs maybe we should import them from the US rather than Germany?
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BMW only make the X5 in the USA, Mercedes the M class. But the yanks do make lots of trucks and pickups.logical_song said:
The US don't really make European cars, except BMWs maybe we should import them from the US rather than Germany?Alanbrooke said:
we should import lots of ChevysScott_P said:After the meeting on Friday it will be interesting to compare any press statements.
If Trump says something like "We have agreed a trade deal where for every Jaguar sold in the US, the UK will import a Chevy in return", what would the response be?
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k0 -
@MaxPB are you planning to stay in Manila or move around a bit ? It it was me I would give it an afternoon and then get out of the traffic into the pretty bitMaxPB said:
Not really any different to any previous race to meet an incoming POTUS. This time it's extremely valuable given how radical (or crazy, depending on one's outlook) Trump's agenda is.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
Anyway, Heathrow beckons. Manilla here we come!
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Toby Perkins MP @tobyperkinsmp 45s45 seconds ago
May must be tearing her hair out at the stupidity of some of these people. At least the LibDems are being pretty open that their strategy is based purely and simply on keeping us in the EU come what may.
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I'm one of 40 + MPs who've written to May to say Hard Brexit strategy is unnecessarily damaging, she should rethink.
The fact is that "Hard Brexit" is not a strategy. It is simply the only solution that the UK can implement without the co-operation at any level of the rest of the EU. Ruling out that option as a condition of leaving the EU simply means that the EU can refuse to give way on anything leaving the UK forced to remain.
And the particular danger is that putting pressure on the PM from her "own side" will simply embolden the EU to drag its feet in the hope that we won't leave. Which then makes what the "constructive criticisers" claim they don't want (ie. a full disorderly exit) more likely.
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no such thing as a free lunchAlanbrooke said:
The tories were bastards too, Cameron got a free education but decided everyone else should pay more, my views on David Willetts have been well aired on here over the years.surbiton said:
Yes, that's true. But somehow I get the impression that you think the Tories had nothing to do with it. After all, it was in their manifesto.Alanbrooke said:
He projects the image of a rich privileged bloke who robbed your kids of £54k at Uni and reminds people why they voted out.surbiton said:
Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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Actually, I'm not sure there's method there. My take on it is;FF43 said:
Trump is Macbeth. He's mad, but there's a lot of method to his madness. Undermining the media is policy, as it allows him to control his message. So he picks a fight about something silly like the number of people turning up to his inauguration.foxinsoxuk said:
Trump is very much the Emperor's new clothes. That is why he is so prickly over the size of the crowds. He knows the Truth and believes that he can overcome it with bombastic demagogary.
He's genuinely pissed off he's not getting the respect he thinks he deserves. He remembers the popularity and media coverage of Obama's inauguration and expects the same.
He's an insecure man who desperately, desperately wants to be loved by the very people who hate him.
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On the topic of this thread, I note that TSE repeats the idea that there was a convention that the Speaker alternates between major parties. In fact the Speaker is almost always from the governing party at the time of their first election. It just so happened that, after Sir Harry Hylton-Foster stood down in 1965, the fourth successive Conservative speaker, choosing the Speaker from the governing party meant that the role alternated between the parties. The anomaly was Betty Boothroyd, who was the only Speaker in the 20th Century who was not a member of the governing party at the time of first election. Michael Martin's election constituted a return to the normal convention. John Bercow's election again departed from the normal convention. In total 14 Speakers have been elected since 1900. All but 2 of them have come from the governing party at the time of the election.
On the conversation, I have to say I am disgusted by the extremely sexist remarks about Theresa May on this thread. Given the sexist abuse that was thrown at the female candidates in the 2015 Labour leadership election I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But for people to claim they are in favour of women's rights to post remarks like this is extremely hypocritical. Or is protection from sexism only for women who hold the "right" political views?0 -
the current scheme is anything but a free lunch, it combines taxing young people upfront for studying and then dumping all the underpaid tax on the public further down the line.SquareRoot said:
no such thing as a free lunchAlanbrooke said:
The tories were bastards too, Cameron got a free education but decided everyone else should pay more, my views on David Willetts have been well aired on here over the years.surbiton said:
Yes, that's true. But somehow I get the impression that you think the Tories had nothing to do with it. After all, it was in their manifesto.Alanbrooke said:
He projects the image of a rich privileged bloke who robbed your kids of £54k at Uni and reminds people why they voted out.surbiton said:
Actually, yes ! Everybody always knew where he stood on this.Alanbrooke said:Marr - is it really a good idea for the LDs to keep parading Cleggy on the EU ?
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Not sure that theory applies when we're on the 3rd Labour appointed speaker in a rowMarqueeMark said:
100/1 seems remarkably generous. Hard to imagine that the pool of serious candidates that would garner enough support from fellow MPs is much bigger than ten or a dozen. 100/1 makes Carswell a rank outsider in that pool.rkrkrk said:On topic - how does Carswell get on with fellow MPs?
Have his ex Tory colleagues forgiven him for defecting?
Also - just seems a bit weird that ukips only MP would become speaker.
That said 100-1 shots can have a few problems with them and still be value...
And I can imagine that with Brexit actually achieved/in motion...Carswell might welcome this new post and a chance to speaker in a new, sovereign, reinvigorated parliament.
Definitely a better bet than Osborne or Salmond on the available odds...
Also, on Buggins's Turn Theory, it really need sto be a non-Tory next. Tory MPs could happily vote for Carswell as "a UKIP guy", knowing that when push comes to shove, Carswell is more likely to meet their ideal for Speaker than a Labour or SNP bod.0 -
I'm not Labour anymore but without being sexist I'd always choose a woman over a man if an electable one was available. Yvette would have been a much better choice than Ed.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
I think this US election has changed everything. I spent some hours reading about the six times bankrupt Donald Trump last night and he really is a piece of work . A genuine misogynist and racist. Check out his work on the 'birther' story.0 -
I have to agree , totally out of order.CarlottaVance said:
Imagine the OUTRAGE if Trump wrote something like that?bigjohnowls said:
She has the look of a women who could give a BJ whilst reading an autoque though!!surbiton said:
I don't think May can have a crush on anyone. She's cold!philiph said:
Blair adopted the Bush walk. Blair was in a teenage crush.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
I doubt May will be so besotted by POTUS
But because May is a Tory it's all fair.
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Good points.MarqueeMark said:
100/1 seems remarkably generous. Hard to imagine that the pool of serious candidates that would garner enough support from fellow MPs is much bigger than ten or a dozen. 100/1 makes Carswell a rank outsider in that pool.rkrkrk said:On topic - how does Carswell get on with fellow MPs?
Have his ex Tory colleagues forgiven him for defecting?
Also - just seems a bit weird that ukips only MP would become speaker.
That said 100-1 shots can have a few problems with them and still be value...
And I can imagine that with Brexit actually achieved/in motion...Carswell might welcome this new post and a chance to speaker in a new, sovereign, reinvigorated parliament.
Definitely a better bet than Osborne or Salmond on the available odds...
Also, on Buggins's Turn Theory, it really need sto be a non-Tory next. Tory MPs could happily vote for Carswell as "a UKIP guy", knowing that when push comes to shove, Carswell is more likely to meet their ideal for Speaker than a Labour or SNP bod.
I just wonder if there aren't Tories still pissed off about the defection?
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You mean we’d have to dumb down to the Septic standards?Barnesian said:
And bad for us. Poorer food standards. ISDS court for multinationals. One thing it won't deliver - Taking Back Control.Pulpstar said:
The one thing Trump's cabinet is stuffed with is businessmen, I'd expect trade deals to be good for the USA.Scott_P said:
Who is the "we" in that statement. We, the British public, don't want to buy Chevy's for £10k. That's why we don't do it now. They're crap.Alanbrooke said:we should import lots of Chevys
we buy Chevy for £10k
they buy Jag for £40k
The US/EU tariffs are already relatively low. It is the regulations and standards that are the problem. US will insist for the UK that they are US standards. It might cause us problems exporting UK goods with US standard to the EU.0 -
RogerRoger said:
I'm not Labour anymore but without being sexist I'd always choose a woman over a man if an electable one was available. Yvette would have been a much better choice than Ed.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
I think this US election has changed everything. I spent some hours reading about the six times bankrupt Donald Trump last night and he really is a piece of work . A genuine misogynist and racist. Check out his work on the 'birther' story.
even the neandertals of the DUP have a woman leader
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Well always choosing a woman over a man is sexist...Roger said:
I'm not Labour anymore but without being sexist I'd always choose a woman over a man if an electable one was available. Yvette would have been a much better choice than Ed.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
I think this US election has changed everything. I spent some hours reading about the six times bankrupt Donald Trump last night and he really is a piece of work . A genuine misogynist and racist. Check out his work on the 'birther' story.
And the idea that... Trump is a msogynist so I get to be one in response.... Two wrongs don't make a right?0 -
Actually I agree with you on that part. People don't realise Trump is a deeply, deeply cynical man. Everyone - politicians, business leaders, his own allies and even the American people exist so he can get one over on them. It's in his DNA. Even though, like all politicians, he probably does believe he's acting in the interests of his own country.Pong said:
Actually, I'm not sure there's method there. My take on it is;FF43 said:
Trump is Macbeth. He's mad, but there's a lot of method to his madness. Undermining the media is policy, as it allows him to control his message. So he picks a fight about something silly like the number of people turning up to his inauguration.foxinsoxuk said:
Trump is very much the Emperor's new clothes. That is why he is so prickly over the size of the crowds. He knows the Truth and believes that he can overcome it with bombastic demagogary.
He's genuinely pissed off he's not getting the respect he thinks he deserves. He remembers the popularity and media coverage of Obama's inauguration and expects the same.
He's an insecure man who desperately, desperately wants to be loved by the very people who hate him.
On Theresa May's visit, I expect a very flattering statement: best friends, Brexit good decision, work together, expect an excellent trade deal in short order. The sting can come later.0 -
It was the Mark Reckless defection that really pissed off a lot of Tories.rkrkrk said:
Good points.MarqueeMark said:
100/1 seems remarkably generous. Hard to imagine that the pool of serious candidates that would garner enough support from fellow MPs is much bigger than ten or a dozen. 100/1 makes Carswell a rank outsider in that pool.rkrkrk said:On topic - how does Carswell get on with fellow MPs?
Have his ex Tory colleagues forgiven him for defecting?
Also - just seems a bit weird that ukips only MP would become speaker.
That said 100-1 shots can have a few problems with them and still be value...
And I can imagine that with Brexit actually achieved/in motion...Carswell might welcome this new post and a chance to speaker in a new, sovereign, reinvigorated parliament.
Definitely a better bet than Osborne or Salmond on the available odds...
Also, on Buggins's Turn Theory, it really need sto be a non-Tory next. Tory MPs could happily vote for Carswell as "a UKIP guy", knowing that when push comes to shove, Carswell is more likely to meet their ideal for Speaker than a Labour or SNP bod.
I just wonder if there aren't Tories still pissed off about the defection?
It was timed to cause maximum damage to the Tories and the Tory conference.
At least Carswell didn't time his defection to damage the Tories.
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Hmmm. May "Working together on defeating terrorism."
Are we going to war again?0 -
We're going to Bohol for 10 days, internal flight to Cebu and then a boat ride I think.AlsoIndigo said:
@MaxPB are you planning to stay in Manila or move around a bit ? It it was me I would give it an afternoon and then get out of the traffic into the pretty bitMaxPB said:
Not really any different to any previous race to meet an incoming POTUS. This time it's extremely valuable given how radical (or crazy, depending on one's outlook) Trump's agenda is.Roger said:
Be serious! She appears to the world like a bitch on heat.MaxPB said:
If this was reversed it would be evidence that Trump was sidelining Britain in favour of the EU, I'm sure.foxinsoxuk said:
I think she has more sense, and less desperation.CarlottaVance said:
Merkel visiting too, is she?foxinsoxuk said:
The spectacle of the grey vicars daughter kissing Trumps orange arse is going to be popcorn time again.Roger said:Isn't there something rather infra dig about Prime Minister May's obvious excitement at being the first leader to be summoned to an audience with Groper Trump?
Particularly as it's outcome has got 'Neville Chamberlain' written all over it
It's really not a cool look for a British Prime Minister. It reminds me of Blair at his most obsequious
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@paul__johnson: Marr: 2m women marched against Trump. Will you raise issue with him?
May: I will be raising issues of special relationship.
That's a no.0 -
better get Tony, he's good at this sort of thingJonathan said:Hmmm. May "Working together on defeating terrorism."
Are we going to war again?0 -
Why do you ask, Is Blair PM again?Jonathan said:Hmmm. May "Working together on defeating terrorism."
Are we going to war again?0 -
Mercedes did that in Europe but UK pulled out in recent years. Was fairly common and cost peanuts, they flew you out , wined and dined hotel for the night , tour of factory next day and then you picked up your car, which had 2 weeks insurance.Scott_P said:
My mate bought a BMW in the US in 2000. The deal they offered him was to fly to the factory in Germany to see the car coming off the production line, drive it round Europe for 2 weeks, then it was shipped the US.logical_song said:The US don't really make European cars, except BMWs maybe we should import them from the US rather than Germany?
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Someone who bangs on and on and on about the Westminster elite, Cartel politics, & the cosy SW1 club becoming speaker seems a bit hypocritical, although I guess you could argue he would be in a position to reform it?
Great clip of Carswell asking Cameron a question in the Commons... no surprise the answer was a blatant lie from Dodgy Dave!0 -
Compare and contrast...
@paulwaugh: Neatly put by @theresa_may. Tells @MarrShow the v fact of a female Prime Minister being 1st leader to meet him is one answer to his sexism.
@Alison_McGovern: Nah. One woman with power only matters if you do something for the millions without it twitter.com/janemerrick23/…0 -
If Blair couldn't/wouldn't stop a president, what chance May?SquareRoot said:
Why do you ask, Is Blair PM again?Jonathan said:Hmmm. May "Working together on defeating terrorism."
Are we going to war again?0 -
Seems like it. My image of the Labour party is now Corbyn McClusky and Watson and it's not a pretty sight which is why I've moved on. I don't think it's a left-right thing though it has been said Tories prefer a leader who reminds them of their first nanny (usually female)Alanbrooke said:
RogerRoger said:
I'm not Labour anymore but without being sexist I'd always choose a woman over a man if an electable one was available. Yvette would have been a much better choice than Ed.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
I think this US election has changed everything. I spent some hours reading about the six times bankrupt Donald Trump last night and he really is a piece of work . A genuine misogynist and racist. Check out his work on the 'birther' story.
even the neandertals of the DUP have a woman leader
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What do you suggest she ask? I'd be really happy if world leaders did start to question their less savoury counterparts, but it ain't gonna happen, so why does May have to start now?Scott_P said:@paul__johnson: Marr: 2m women marched against Trump. Will you raise issue with him?
May: I will be raising issues of special relationship.
That's a no.
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This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.0
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I have a minor game of guessing who wrote the thread headers before I reach the end.
TSE made it easy today.
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She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt0 -
I checked Chevvy's website - they are 30 - 90k, not 10k
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Oh dear. May nearly blows it by not answering Trident question. Michael Howard.
Unlike Paxman, Marr lets her off the hook.0 -
I play that too!another_richard said:I have a minor game of guessing who wrote the thread headers before I reach the end.
TSE made it easy today.
I think the MO here is to tip a big price, hope a few people have £2 on it then point out it's price has moved, buff nails etc etc0 -
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt0 -
Don't b esilly , she will bob and curtsey and hope to get some crumbs from his table. He is the Big Dog she is the beggar. He will love lording it over a Tory hob knob and will show who is in control.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt
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YesTwistedFireStopper said:
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt0 -
UKIPs Stoke price not really changed much since Nuttall was announced after an initial move... thin market though
Lab 1.8-1.85
UKIP 2.6-2.78
Con 15.5-21
LD 27-380 -
Sounds like our 200 - 300 Billion is being wisely invested. Worth leaving people sleeping in shop doorways and dying on trolleys etc to ensure we are safe.Pulpstar said:
The missile that was supposed to go to near Tenerife, and ended up flying to the USA ?Jonathan said:Oh dear. May nearly blows it by not answering Trident question. Michael Howard.
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Happy Birthday Malc - lang may yer lum reekmalcolmg said:
Don't b esilly , she will bob and curtsey and hope to get some crumbs from his table. He is the Big Dog she is the beggar. He will love lording it over a Tory hob knob and will show who is in control.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
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Yet once again it falls to the Russians to sort it out. Meanwhile we pretend we are big shots yet achieve nothing.MaxPB said:0 -
A very minor game when written by Mr Meeks!another_richard said:I have a minor game of guessing who wrote the thread headers before I reach the end.
TSE made it easy today.0 -
Well, overnight and this morning we have learnt that pb lefties want to (a) ditch the American democratic system (b) ditch democracy altogether in favour of totalitarianism (c) ditch political correctness in favour of vile sexist abuse of female politicians. And all because their favourite London Italian restaurants face closure and they might have to meet some British workers on their rare visits to this country.0
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Cheers Big_G much appreciated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Happy Birthday Malc - lang may yer lum reekmalcolmg said:
Don't b esilly , she will bob and curtsey and hope to get some crumbs from his table. He is the Big Dog she is the beggar. He will love lording it over a Tory hob knob and will show who is in control.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt0 -
Anna Soubry coming on side on Sky - think her constituency may have an influence - very complimentary to Theresa May
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It's a more fruitful use of time to figure out why you lost, and what you need to do to win next time.PlatoSaid said:
I'd a peek at Twitter in the small hours - and I ended crying with laughter at some of the ridiculous antics, wailing, unfortunate photos of protestors.TwistedFireStopper said:You can march as far as you want, burn limos, chuck rocks through shop windows, wave your well thought out placards and scream on twitter until your lungs explode, but Trump is still President. He is barmier than I thought he would be, and the first day or so hasn't exactly filled me with hope, but the US system made him top dog, and we have to deal with him. May is right to go and see him. Every world leader will need to meet him.
Oh, and you Labour fellas really don't do your party any favours with the way you talk about women who don't share your political beliefs. Stay classy, lads.
The interweb never forgets - and I'd die of embarrassment if I appeared in any of them.0 -
Just to put that point a bit more strongly, if there's ever been a leader it's worth meeting personally, it's Trump.TwistedFireStopper said:You can march as far as you want, burn limos, chuck rocks through shop windows, wave your well thought out placards and scream on twitter until your lungs explode, but Trump is still President. He is barmier than I thought he would be, and the first day or so hasn't exactly filled me with hope, but the US system made him top dog, and we have to deal with him. May is right to go and see him. Every world leader will need to meet him.
Normally a president will already have well thought-out views, and will also have advice from experts. It's probably quite unusual to be able to substantially sway their opinion by talking to them personally.
As far as we can tell, Trump is breathtakingly ignorant, has no settled political philosophy, goes with his gut and doesn't listen to advice. It's a long-shot but May's best bet is to get over there as fast as she possibly can, get him in a room, say a bunch of flattering things and try to get him to sign an agreement there and then before anybody else can stop him.0 -
I'm sure this could be used as a basis of some socio-political thesis on the USA.
The sports stadium with the highest capacity is in North Korea.
The next nine largest are college football stadia in states that voted for Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_by_capacity
There's plenty of other college stadia further down the list as well and its amusing to see that the Dallas Independent School District has a bigger stadium than the English national football team.
It must come in useful for:
' Blondes vs. Brunettes powderpuff football games are played in cities across the United States. ... The increasing popularity of the game in the Dallas area resulted in moving the 2012 game to the Cotton Bowl where it could accommodate a larger crowd. '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl_(stadium)
Now I knew that college football was a big thing in the USA but I never realised their stadia dwarfed those of the NFL.
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In what way?Big_G_NorthWales said:
YesTwistedFireStopper said:
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt
Trump- "Theresa, great to see the English PM here, it's gonna be great, so good, we're making the special relationship great again".
May- "Cheers, Don. You've got to stop being such a racist, sexiest, misogynistic, loud mouthed tosser. Now, how about a trade deal?"
It might work.......
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Yes. Her prompt visit to the new Trump tower smacks of desperation.malcolmg said:
Don't be silly, she will bob and curtsey and hope to get some crumbs from his table. He is the Big Dog she is the beggar. He will love lording it over a Tory hob knob and will show who is in control.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt0 -
Just a coincidence then that the only two major parties in the UK never to have had a female leader are Labour & the Lib Dems?Roger said:
I don't think it's a left-right thing thoughAlanbrooke said:
RogerRoger said:
I'm not Labour anymore but without being sexist I'd always choose a woman over a man if an electable one was available. Yvette would have been a much better choice than Ed.Alanbrooke said:
so why dont you elect women ?Roger said:
You pompous arse!!John_M said:I have to say that the comments by the lefties on here over the last few days, and particularly this morning, have enlightened me as to why they never elect women leaders; it's not just their ideas on government that are stuck in the 70s.
I think this US election has changed everything. I spent some hours reading about the six times bankrupt Donald Trump last night and he really is a piece of work . A genuine misogynist and racist. Check out his work on the 'birther' story.
even the neandertals of the DUP have a woman leader
fact is you lefties just wont elect a woman
Imagine what you'd be writing if it was Labour who first had a female leader 40 years ago and the Tories still hadn't?
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Have those 2m women not got fridges to clean behind? Forget misogyny - seems that White Goods Deprivation is the hidden issue out there....Scott_P said:@paul__johnson: Marr: 2m women marched against Trump. Will you raise issue with him?
May: I will be raising issues of special relationship.
That's a no.0 -
Back in 1997, there was a similar thesis here, something like only 4 of the 92 professional football clubs in England had their stadiums in Tory held seats.another_richard said:I'm sure this could be used as a basis of some socio-political thesis on the USA.
The sports stadium with the highest capacity is in North Korea.
The next nine largest are college football stadia in states that voted for Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_by_capacity
There's plenty of other college stadia further down the list as well and its amusing to see that the Dallas Independent School District has a bigger stadium than the English national football team.
It must come in useful for:
' Blondes vs. Brunettes powderpuff football games are played in cities across the United States. ... The increasing popularity of the game in the Dallas area resulted in moving the 2012 game to the Cotton Bowl where it could accommodate a larger crowd. '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl_(stadium)
Now I knew that college football was a big thing in the USA but I never realised their stadia dwarfed those of the NFL.0 -
I am not at all convinced about UKIP and Paul Nuttall in Stoke, indeed I would think the conservatives may have an equal chance. However, the votes between the two are likely to let labour come through the middle unless as is being reported labour are in meltdown both in Copeland and Stoke.malcolmg said:
Is it any wonder he is a turnip.isam said:UKIPs Stoke price not really changed much since Nuttall was announced after an initial move... thin market though
Lab 1.8-1.85
UKIP 2.6-2.78
Con 15.5-21
LD 27-38
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Ah, you've seen tyson's recent rantings and ravings haven't you!!frpenkridge said:Well, overnight and this morning we have learnt that pb lefties want to (a) ditch the American democratic system (b) ditch democracy altogether in favour of totalitarianism (c) ditch political correctness in favour of vile sexist abuse of female politicians. And all because their favourite London Italian restaurants face closure and they might have to meet some British workers on their rare visits to this country.
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In more diplomatic terms yesTwistedFireStopper said:
In what way?Big_G_NorthWales said:
YesTwistedFireStopper said:
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt
Trump- "Theresa, great to see the English PM here, it's gonna be great, so good, we're making the special relationship great again".
May- "Cheers, Don. You've got to stop being such a racist, sexiest, misogynistic, loud mouthed tosser. Now, how about a trade deal?"
It might work.......0 -
Mr Trump will win in 2020 if his economic policies are seen to have worked, and will lose if they are seen to have failed.
So, let's split his policies into three categories: taxes, spending and trade.
Taxes
Roughly: On the corporate side, Trump proposes cutting corporation tax from 35% to 15%, eliminating the tax deductability of interest, allowing capital expense to be written off against tax in year one, eliminating taxation on pass through earnings (benefiting property developers), imposing a one-off 10% tax on repatriation of foreign earnings, and eliminating the corporate minimum tax.
Personally, the tax threshold for married couples goes to $30,000, the top rate of tax drops from 40% to 33% (mostly by abolishing thresholds above that level), capital gains taxes are slashed, and the alternative minimum tax and estate taxes are effectively abolished. Carried interest provisions, which enabled private equity managers to dodge tax, are abolished.
On the campaign trail, it was suggested that these cuts would be balanced by a bonfire of the deductions. (Like with film partnerships in the UK, certain spending can be offset against tax for one reason or another in the US. And because these subsidies measures are each small, and affect a few people greatly, they had historically grown like weeds, resulting in an ever expanding US tax code.) It now looks like the vast majority of deductions will be kept. Indeed, the only deductions that look certain to go involve state income taxes – and affect only the citizens of Massachusetts, New York and California. There are also new tax deductions planned, which means (especially with the repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax) that the difference between actual tax rates and headline ones is likely to grow even wider going forward.
What does this all mean?
It means that Americans, particularly rich Americans, are going to see very large tax cuts in the next few years. Federal tax receipts are about $3.6trillion currently. According to analysis from the Wharton School of Business, these plans would knock around $500bn off in year one (when there is a foreign repatriation bonus), and more than $700bn in subsequent years. The Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Centre estimates the annual cost at $620bn.
Now, these numbers are likely to prove somewhat pessimistic, I suspect. If you slash taxes, people feel richer and the economy is larger than you’d expect. (Simply, people spend their money more efficiently than the government, and therefore the smaller tax percentage is on a larger economy.) However, the scale of these reductions is such that the Federal Deficit is likely to expand quite dramatically irrespective. How much? Well, by around 3% of GDP. This would be the largest tax driven stimulus to the US economy on record, and would take the government deficit from around 3% of GDP to 6% (absent spending changes).
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Post of the day for sureTwistedFireStopper said:
In what way?Big_G_NorthWales said:
YesTwistedFireStopper said:
Really?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is very confident and does not suffer fools gladly.Jonathan said:This is a good interview. Kudos to both May and Marr.
We are very lucky at this moment in history to have a Prime Minister who will always put Britain first and will admonish Trump over his attitudes to women without any shadow of doubt
Trump- "Theresa, great to see the English PM here, it's gonna be great, so good, we're making the special relationship great again".
May- "Cheers, Don. You've got to stop being such a racist, sexiest, misogynistic, loud mouthed tosser. Now, how about a trade deal?"
It might work.......
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