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I'm glad Tim Farron got a present because he sure as hell ain't going to do anything major under his own steam.

Then Sir Keir tweets this

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/818589979974705154

With Red Brexit and possible nationalisations, Corbyn could literally be going to the country on Michael Foot's manifesto.

@keiranpedley: Well, I suppose Labour can stop worrying about those stupid mugs now.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Then Sir Keir tweets this

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/818589979974705154

Theresa May blaming the press is a major gaffe. Firstly, because it's shifting the blame and more importantly because she's admitting that if hard Brexit were a well founded fear, the markets would be right to react negatively.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Then Sir Keir tweets this

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/818589979974705154

Well May can point out to him she has never promised full access to the single market but she has promised to control the borders, you cannot have both, so which is it to be for Labour?

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Then Sir Keir tweets this

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/818589979974705154

Theresa May blaming the press is a major gaffe. Firstly, because it's shifting the blame and more importantly because she's admitting that if hard Brexit were a well founded fear, the markets would be right to react negatively.

It's the behaviour reminiscent of Gordon Brown

SeanT said:

Sandpit said:

Wrong to vote to leave, as opposed to wrong to want to leave after the vote?

Yes, that's a crucial distinction. Polls show a very large majority of Brits now think we should Leave (including many Remainers), because that's how we voted.

We need to know how many Labour voters are hardcore Remoaners. Not many, is my guess.

Those views will change as we get further away from the vote. If you rewatch any of the campaign debates or coverage 6 months on, or even the reaction following the Leave win, it's surreal how much the superficial optimism of the time contrasts with the current realisation that there is no quick and easy solution.

Nice to hear Jezza is finally being true to his LEAVE beliefs!

He was OUT before anyone lol....

https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/818576535128899585

Y0kel said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Y0kel said:

I'm glad Tim Farron got a present because he sure as hell ain't going to do anything major under his own steam.

Any comment on the reports of us special forces mission to rescue western hostages deep within syria?

The one near Deir Ezzor? I'm not sure it was solely about hostages in the traditional sense but honestly don't know much of it. If it was, I would guess we'd have some pasty faced but well meaning Westerner paraded to the cameras by now.

That is why I was asking, seems some odd reports...saying they went into an Isis "prison" where westerner are held. That was Sunday & no prezzers with castaway looking man or reports of it going wrong and deaths.

Stark_Dawning said:

FPT

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/818587686554501121

The point of Corbyn to his supporters is socialism, ultra EUphiles are moving to the LDs. Don't forget Tony Benn was always anti EU

Yes, being anti-EU and pro-Brexit is easy for Jezza, he just had to shift a bit on Free Movement - and that isn't hard, as Free Movement can easily be painted as a capitalist tool designed to lower wages for the working poor,/allow vile corporations to import cheap coolies and so on and so forth.

This is smart politics from Corbyn he's just so dim he didn't realise he could do it, until now.

It does, however, guarantee continuing war with his EU-phile, anti-Brexit Labour MPs. Heh.

Agreed. Has Jeremy appointed a new adviser recently? This is the cleverest bit of politics he's ever done. Labour need to go hard Brexit which will, in combination with the Tory Right, put enormous pressure on May to get into a hard-Brexit bidding war. Then, of course, she's lost the moderate, pro-Business element. Might we get the Lib Dems vs ConLabKip?

I have said ad infinitum on here that the Labour Party justifying free movement of people by GDP/other economic pointers undercuts the entire reason for their existence. I know the supply and demand deniers on here won't believe it, but it does adversely affect the poor. The main reason I stopped voting for them.

Gross misconduct, at least maybe they're waking up to that now.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Les Grenouilles to use Brexit to supplant us in NATO. Just brilliant.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/818588275019489280

Well if France wants to take over from the US and UK and pay most of the bill for defending the Baltic states from Putin let them

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/818594907212357632

YBarddCwsc said:

Oblivion is full of Liberal Democrats dreaming of replacing Labour.

Tim will be joining them, as Jezza has called this right.

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

Will he have anyone left in his labour

SeanT said:

One of the best aspects of that remarkable Dominic Cummings essay is his dextrous analysis - demolition, maybe - of Cameron. An unimpressive politician, flattered by the fact he faced Brown and Miliband. A bright guy prone to grievous errors, due to vanity, groupthink and laziness. A man who just wanted to BE prime minister, rather than actually DO anything.

And as for that dreadful renegotiation.....

Anyone who wants an informed view on recent British political history needs to read that essay.

Brexit is down to Blair's failure to put a 7 year transition period on Eastern European migrants like most other EU leaders and Cameron's failure to get anything to compensate in his renegotiation.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Oblivion is full of Liberal Democrats dreaming of replacing Labour.

Tim will be joining them, as Jezza has called this right.

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

Will he have anyone left in his labour

Jezza has always at heart been a red Brexiteer. Historically that is where anti EU feeling resided. It was the social chapter that altered things, and lefties recognised that the EU could be on the side of workers rights.

Labour moving to a policy of Red Brexit is a real threat to dithering May. Sure, the Labour Remainers will be annoyed, but post A 50 the debate will move on.

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/818596127184420868

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

foxinsoxuk said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Oblivion is full of Liberal Democrats dreaming of replacing Labour.

Tim will be joining them, as Jezza has called this right.

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

Will he have anyone left in his labour

Jezza has always at heart been a red Brexiteer. Historically that is where anti EU feeling resided. It was the social chapter that altered things, and lefties recognised that the EU could be on the side of workers rights.

Labour moving to a policy of Red Brexit is a real threat to dithering May. Sure, the Labour Remainers will be annoyed, but post A 50 the debate will move on.

Corbyn has said he wants full single market access and controlled free movement, he cannot have both and of course May actually picks up some more Labour seats if some Labour Remain voters switch to the LDs even if Corbyn prevents a few Labour Leave voters switching to Tories or UKIP

Floater said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Y0kel said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Y0kel said:

I'm glad Tim Farron got a present because he sure as hell ain't going to do anything major under his own steam.

Any comment on the reports of us special forces mission to rescue western hostages deep within syria?

The one near Deir Ezzor? I'm not sure it was solely about hostages in the traditional sense but honestly don't know much of it. If it was, I would guess we'd have some pasty faced but well meaning Westerner paraded to the cameras by now.

That is why I was asking, seems some odd reports...saying they went into an Isis "prison" where westerner are held. That was Sunday & no prezzers with castaway looking man or reports of it going wrong and deaths.

If it's the same raid the Telegraph has a story on it.

That is one place I saw it.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Huzzah, another Yorkshireman (a Sheffield lad no less) is about to become England cricket captain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/09/england-captain-alastair-cook-prepares-stand-joe-root-ready/

I hope it doesn't ruin his batting.

I think it'll enhance it (I hope)

oh dear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103028/Beating-wives-reminds-women-rules-house-encourages-wear-sexy-outfits-make-sex-make-amends-declares-Turkish-marriage-guide.html


How to double down

""'We do not publish this book as a municipality, we buy it from a bookshop and give it as a gift to the marriage.
'The contents of the book are open to interpretation. The verse consists of works based on hadith [reports from the Islamic prophet Muhammad] and scientific research.'


"scientific research" lol

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/818596127184420868

Indeed. It's the most extraordinary U-turn, and it makes a mockery of one of the few assets that Corbyn has: his supposed authenticity.

Firstly, his new position will both (a) not be believed by most Brexit voters, notably the Red Ukip types he is probably hoping to recover with this strategy, and (b) severely annoy his Europhile and No Borders elements.

Secondly, those who have spent recent months waffling about the "progressive alliance" can kiss that goodbye. The Greens, the SNP and Lib Dems are all mad-keen on the EU and most of them are strongly wedded to free movement, and to the single market (which Britain hasn't a prayer of remaining within unless it swallows all of the four freedoms whole.)

Thirdly, the pro-Brexit voters that Corbyn now appears to be chasing tend to be older, more rural and more conservative. These are the categories of voters most likely to approve strongly of Theresa May, and amongst whom the Labour Party as a whole and Jeremy Corbyn in particular are deeply, deeply unpopular.

This latest move is madness. It's a recipe for shipping voters to the Lib Dems (and Greens) much faster than they can possibly be recovered from Ukip.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/818594907212357632

The pound only fell 1% against the dollar. The FTSE 100 actually went up (and so, more pertinently, did the FTSE250.)

May's direction of travel has been strongly signposted for some time. The strong implication of single market withdrawal included in the interview yesterday had, essentially, already been priced in by the markets.

Black_Rook said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/818596127184420868

Indeed. It's the most extraordinary U-turn, and it makes a mockery of one of the few assets that Corbyn has: his supposed authenticity.

Firstly, his new position will both (a) not be believed by most Brexit voters, notably the Red Ukip types he is probably hoping to recover with this strategy, and (b) severely annoy his Europhile and No Borders elements.

Secondly, those who have spent recent months waffling about the "progressive alliance" can kiss that goodbye. The Greens, the SNP and Lib Dems are all mad-keen on the EU and most of them are strongly wedded to free movement, and to the single market (which Britain hasn't a prayer of remaining within unless it swallows all of the four freedoms whole.)

Thirdly, the pro-Brexit voters that Corbyn now appears to be chasing tend to be older, more rural and more conservative. These are the categories of voters most likely to approve strongly of Theresa May, and amongst whom the Labour Party as a whole and Jeremy Corbyn in particular are deeply, deeply unpopular.

This latest move is madness. It's a recipe for shipping voters to the Lib Dems (and Greens) much faster than they can possibly be recovered from Ukip.

Corbyn has one of the longest and most consistent records of voting against the EU, stronger by far than most of the cabinet, including PM and CoE.

chestnut said:

OT - who exactly are the 2/3 of Labour voters who think it is wrong to leave?

The majority of Labour constituences voted Leave.

It's a big mistake to think that you can slice the vote like that and assume that the Labour voters in a Labour leave seat necessarily split the same way on the referendum. It's absolutely possible for Labour voters to be majority Remain even if the constituency as a whole is not.

foxinsoxuk said:

Black_Rook said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/818596127184420868

Indeed. It's the most extraordinary U-turn, and it makes a mockery of one of the few assets that Corbyn has: his supposed authenticity.

Firstly, his new position will both (a) not be believed by most Brexit voters, notably the Red Ukip types he is probably hoping to recover with this strategy, and (b) severely annoy his Europhile and No Borders elements.

Secondly, those who have spent recent months waffling about the "progressive alliance" can kiss that goodbye. The Greens, the SNP and Lib Dems are all mad-keen on the EU and most of them are strongly wedded to free movement, and to the single market (which Britain hasn't a prayer of remaining within unless it swallows all of the four freedoms whole.)

Thirdly, the pro-Brexit voters that Corbyn now appears to be chasing tend to be older, more rural and more conservative. These are the categories of voters most likely to approve strongly of Theresa May, and amongst whom the Labour Party as a whole and Jeremy Corbyn in particular are deeply, deeply unpopular.

This latest move is madness. It's a recipe for shipping voters to the Lib Dems (and Greens) much faster than they can possibly be recovered from Ukip.

Corbyn has one of the longest and most consistent records of voting against the EU, stronger by far than most of the cabinet, including PM and CoE.

1. Most of his party is Europhile. He kept it buttoned about the EU, even as he was willing to upset them over other issues, for a reason.

2. Jeremy Corbyn's history is hardly going to help him in a General Election campaign.

rcs1000 said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/818576535128899585

Show me an oil company that hasn't dealt with dodgy regimes, and I'll show you an oil company that's done very poorly for its shareholders.

Its a bit like finding out that massive western companies have paid "facilitation fees" in Africa or China.

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

No, see Witney. Anyway, 161 Labour seats voted Leave and 70 Remain and 252 Tory seats voted Leave and 77 Remain so it makes sense for both May and Corbyn to respect the Leave vote in those areas. The LDs can afford to still back a pro Remain agenda as 5 of their 8 seats backed Remain and 3 Leave
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/most-labour-mps-represent-a-constituency-that-voted-leave-36f13210f5c6#.j3sch86l9

https://twitter.com/iamhamesh/status/818585081694580736

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

Nah.

I don't think williamglenn understands that many of the Tory majorities in many ex Lib Dem seats are now yugggge!

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

No, see Witney. Anyway, 161 Labour seats voted Leave and 70 Remain and 252 Tory seats voted Leave and 77 Remain so it makes sense for both May and Corbyn to respect the Leave vote in those areas. The LDs can afford to still back a pro Remain agenda as 5 of their 8 seats backed Remain and 3 Leave
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/most-labour-mps-represent-a-constituency-that-voted-leave-36f13210f5c6#.j3sch86l9

Yes, but that dynamic will have changed utterly at the next GE when Brexit is a fait accompli. It's that which Jez now has to consider. Of course, it might be that we haven't left by then, but in that case it will be very much Theresa's problem.

SeanT said:

Another excellent Guardian comment

"richard farrell-adams SE23 29m ago [talking of Corbyn's conversion to Brexiteerism]

Agreed.
Pandering to people who are a joke"

That's what left wing, double-barrelled Guardian readers think of working class Leave voters. They are "a joke".

I think the joke's on them. Monty Python certainly thought so.

foxinsoxuk said:

glw said:

SeanT said:

One of the best aspects of that remarkable Dominic Cummings essay is his dextrous analysis - demolition, maybe - of Cameron. An unimpressive politician, flattered by the fact he faced Brown and Miliband. A bright guy prone to grievous errors, due to vanity, groupthink and laziness. A man who just wanted to BE prime minister, rather than actually DO anything.

Yeah he nailed Cameron with that BE versus DO bit.

Not sure that May is any different. She is expert at doing nothing too.

Give her to the end of the month - you might be very surprised

foxinsoxuk said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

I think that is a courageous wager, but would probably be best with a tighter definition of what Brexit consists of.

Let's ask TM

I've got a date with a posh girl this week & we are meeting at the bar at Rules Restaurant, anyone been?

Stark_Dawning said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

No, see Witney. Anyway, 161 Labour seats voted Leave and 70 Remain and 252 Tory seats voted Leave and 77 Remain so it makes sense for both May and Corbyn to respect the Leave vote in those areas. The LDs can afford to still back a pro Remain agenda as 5 of their 8 seats backed Remain and 3 Leave
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/most-labour-mps-represent-a-constituency-that-voted-leave-36f13210f5c6#.j3sch86l9

Yes, but that dynamic will have changed utterly at the next GE when Brexit is a fait accompli. It's that which Jez now has to consider. Of course, it might be that we haven't left by then, but in that case it will be very much Theresa's problem.

I actually think it is a good thing he has taken this stance, now if you want to remain in the EU at all costs or have as soft a Brexit as possible you know the only way to do it is to vote LD at the next general election, no need for a second referendum and no complaints about the result. Goodnight

foxinsoxuk said:

ReggieCide said:

foxinsoxuk said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

I think that is a courageous wager, but would probably be best with a tighter definition of what Brexit consists of.

Let's ask TM

May need sometbing less tautological.

Only trying to be helpful

foxinsoxuk said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

I think that is a courageous wager, but would probably be best with a tighter definition of what Brexit consists of.

Might I suggest that Brexit, for the purpose of the bet, mean 1. The UK government invoking Article 50, and 2. The exit date agreed in the withdrawal talks being reached (after any extensions to the talks) or, failing the EU and UK reaching agreement, the two year period expiring, or such longer period as might be agreed expiring if one or more extensions are agreed.

Food sales drive 'bumper' Christmas for retailers

Paul Martin, UK head of retail at KPMG, who help to produce the report, suggested that consumers had "splashed out on treating themselves" ahead of predicted price rises next year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38553586

Hold on...only a few weeks ago the BBC ran a piece saying because of Brexit / currency rates Christmas was much more expensive and that would be dire..now apparently we have been splashing out resulting in bumper Christmas.

Have to say in my experience the shops have been nuts even post Christmas, if anything busier than leading up to them.

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

ReggieCide said:

foxinsoxuk said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

I think that is a courageous wager, but would probably be best with a tighter definition of what Brexit consists of.

Let's ask TM

May need sometbing less tautological.

This might be an interesting test of PB-ers' skill, and also elucidate the issues.

Can someone draw up a definition of Brexit likely to satisfy williamglenn AND me, in the pursuit of our hefty wager?

A new trade deal with Putin's Russia?

david_herdson said:

foxinsoxuk said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

SeanT said:

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The comments section in the Guardian reporting Corbyn's shift are just hilarious.

You are not kidding. Full scale meltdown.

Some priceless comments in there.


"alexander103 45m ago

What a fucking TURD.Showing his true colours now.We have no second choice in this country, we are truly shafted."

Judging by this reaction, Corbyn has just lost about 1m Guardianista-Remainer middle class voters, and made Brexit completely certain.

CHORTLE

He's also just given carte blanche to right-on Labour voters in affluent Tory seats to go for the Lib Dems en masse, creating a big electoral headache for May.

PS do you want a bet that we will have technically Brexited* by the end of 2019?

I believe we will have Brexited by then, and I'm willing to wager any amount of money under £10,000

*By this I mean legally no longer a part of the European Union, though we may be in some transitional arrangement with regard to the Single Market, ECJ jurisdiction, etc

OK you're on, for £10,000.

I think that is a courageous wager, but would probably be best with a tighter definition of what Brexit consists of.

Might I suggest that Brexit, for the purpose of the bet, mean 1. The UK government invoking Article 50, and 2. The exit date agreed in the withdrawal talks being reached (after any extensions to the talks) or, failing the EU and UK reaching agreement, the two year period expiring, or such longer period as might be agreed expiring if one or more extensions are agreed.

I think this is fair, my expectation of the timing of "Out" of the EU under normally held rules would be around April 2019.
I think I'd rather be on Sean's side of the bet, stakes are well out of my league though
Though negotiations often get drawn out, extended etc - so Glenn has a fair chance to win.

SeanT 1-2, Glenn 2-1 maybe.

On A&E Not sure what Hunt's point was.

The last time I went, my other half believed she had a small splinter in her eye. We were seen within 10 minutes for triage and 2 hrs for the eye Doctor - which was quite good I think.

111 itself advised us to go there, I'm not sure she could be classified as 'seriously ill' on any count though ?

I guess in years gone by a GP could have done it 'out of hours', but those are no longer a thing..

SeanT said:

Can someone draw up a definition of Brexit likely to satisfy williamglenn AND me, in the pursuit of our hefty wager?

Your options are:

* Option 1) That by 23:59 Dec 31st 2019 there is no UK member on the European Council with voting rights

* or Option 2) That by 23:59 Dec 31st 2019 there are no UK MEPs in the European Parliament with voting rights

* or Option 3) That by 23:59 Dec 31st 2019 there are no UK Commissioners in the European Commission with a portfolio

These definitions allow for the possibility of UK members remaining as observers