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Wow what a start to the week. A lot better than the England cricket team that is for sure.0 -
Second, which is the best Nuttall could hope for.0
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2nd ..... Grrh!0
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Fourth like labour0
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Agreed. His objective would be not so much to win but to make himself the face and voice of UKIP. If Mike is right and it is held on the same day as the Mayoral election that is going to be seriously difficult. It will be a busy day for elections and a non close by-election will get minimal coverage.ydoethur said:Second, which is the best Nuttall could hope for.
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By that argument, he would be better off standing for Mayor. Have UKIP chosen their candidate yet?DavidL said:
Agreed. His objective would be not so much to win but to make himself the face and voice of UKIP. If Mike is right and it is held on the same day as the Mayoral election that is going to be seriously difficult. It will be a busy day for elections and a non close by-election will get minimal coverage.ydoethur said:Second, which is the best Nuttall could hope for.
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UKIP has an ongoing problem whilst ever it can't get its Leader in Westminster. Leigh does look a tailor-made seat for Nuttall, but I doubt he'll get close. Be interesting too, to see if the LibDems can make ground after a desperately bad result in 2015. A sizeable anti-Corbyn Labour vote returning back to the LibDems might be UKIPs biggest helper in bringing Labour in range.0
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I am not so sure about the joint election point here. People are becoming adept at splitting their votes, as simultaneous elections are now relatively common and party loyalty much less than it used to be. If there is a credible alternative I can see people voting for Burnham for Mayor and another party for MP, with a joint election simply pushing up turnout (although not by much - if it's seen as ultra safe then the mayoral election may not be that much of a draw).
The problem is that UKIP itself is decreasingly credible, and there is no other obvious challenger; so it will all depend on what pull the personality of Nuttall might have. Leigh is extremely solid Labour and Nuttall is from Merseyside, so my instinct is that he'll be nowhere near.0 -
Yes, the analysis post-Leigh will be on vote share, not rank, and Labour has the problem that the only way is down (or, things can only get worse; choose your song)ydoethur said:
If they come fourth in Leigh then it really is all over.IanB2 said:Fourth like labour
Edit/ although actually, if Nuttall doesn't perform or doesn't stand, up to half that UKIP vote could be going begging?0 -
Can I just thank @Casino_Royale for making the Brexit discussion interesting for the first time in ages re Ronnie Scott's.
I'm bored stiff of the standard fodder and he's introduced an alternative angle.0 -
He might well be. I don't know if they have a candidate or not yet.ydoethur said:
By that argument, he would be better off standing for Mayor. Have UKIP chosen their candidate yet?DavidL said:
Agreed. His objective would be not so much to win but to make himself the face and voice of UKIP. If Mike is right and it is held on the same day as the Mayoral election that is going to be seriously difficult. It will be a busy day for elections and a non close by-election will get minimal coverage.ydoethur said:Second, which is the best Nuttall could hope for.
It seems odd that UKIP do not have a single councillor in an area that voted 2-1 leave. It is the sort of statistic that those who big up UKIP's chances of replacing a decrepit Labour party in the north might want to reflect on.0 -
Surely UKIP's best by-election performances are the two that resulted in their MPs being elected?
Would Burnham dare to take the Chiltern Hundreds before he is actually elected in Manchester, leaving him unemployed if he loses the mayoral election?0 -
Well spotted! Mike has discounted the ones where MPs restood, but forgotten to mention itSandpit said:Surely UKIP's best by-election performances are the two that resulted in their MPs being elected?
Would Burnham dare to take the Chiltern Hundreds before he is actually elected in Manchester, leaving him unemployed if he loses the mayoral election?0 -
Picking up on last night's thread - leaving the single market would do far more harm to this country than leaving the EU. I fear for the effect it would have on my business, which so far has come through largely unscathed. So I felt i owed it to myself to back the latest court case and will now watch its progress with great interest.
As for Ronnie Scott's, I was already looking forward to my visit next March to see the great John McLaughlin and now expect to enjoy it even more.0 -
I attended my cousin's wedding in Leigh many years ago and it just reeked Labour .... in the nicest possible way of course. My Dad and I left early to watch iirc to watch our beloved Derby County play at Bolton ..... happy days.
My admittedly very limited knowledge of the area leads me to believe there is no way on God's earth that Mr. Nuttall, with or without a free hand outs of mintoes has a snowflake's chance of winning and I don't suppose he'd want to sully his reputation by being seen as a loser so early in his term as leader - I'd leave well alone Paul if I were you.0 -
See Spurs completely doomed the England cricket team to humiliation once again.Sandpit said:Surely UKIP's best by-election performances are the two that resulted in their MPs being elected?
Would Burnham dare to take the Chiltern Hundreds before he is actually elected in Manchester, leaving him unemployed if he loses the mayoral election?
Burnham is capable of losing almost anything but this Mayoral election is going to be a stretch even for him.0 -
Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.0 -
Nice.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
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It would be the final humiliation for Burnham.Sandpit said:Surely UKIP's best by-election performances are the two that resulted in their MPs being elected?
Would Burnham dare to take the Chiltern Hundreds before he is actually elected in Manchester, leaving him unemployed if he loses the mayoral election?0 -
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.0 -
Spurs, and Virat Kholi.DavidL said:
See Spurs completely doomed the England cricket team to humiliation once again.Sandpit said:Surely UKIP's best by-election performances are the two that resulted in their MPs being elected?
Would Burnham dare to take the Chiltern Hundreds before he is actually elected in Manchester, leaving him unemployed if he loses the mayoral election?
Burnham is capable of losing almost anything but this Mayoral election is going to be a stretch even for him.0 -
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
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O/T French election - betting post
Last Betfair prices
Fillon 1.82 (54.9% chance of winning)
Sounds about right, as the clear favorite but with more than four months before the first round. Still a pretty good medium-term bet
Le Pen 4.8 (20.8% chance)
The only reason for the price is that many punters do not believe polls regarding a populist like Le Pen. No poll has her less than 30 points behind Fillon or less than 20 points behind Macron. Her only hope is to face a socialist on the second roundbut it seems unlikely.
No value at this price.
Macron 6.9 (14.9% chance)
Compared to Le Pen he has a more straightforward path to victory: face her in the second round. For that he still needs to finish in front of Fillon in the first round and it will be tough if a centrist (Valls or Fillon) emerges from the socialist primary.
Lots of variability but strong resistance around 7.
After his big public meeting last Saturday the next polls will show if he can put more pressure on Fillon (the meeting iself was a success but he was widely mocked for his over-the-top screams at the end of his speech http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/presidentielle/video-presidentielle-quand-emmanuel-macron-hurle-a-pleins-poumons-dans-son-micro_1963157.html ).
Valls 23 (4.3% chance)
Valls had a rough first week of campaigning, with most other primary candidates attacking him, weak poll numbers and Peillon joining the contest as a candidate of the "centrist" wing of the socialists.
After collapsing last week, the price has risen again to a more realistic level. Could be worth it a bit later during the primary.
Montebourg 37 (2.7%)
His poll numbers were stable: good for the primary (49% in a second round), terrible for the election. His price has logically converged a bit with Valls but it's hard to see value as long as he polls in fifth or sixth place for the general election. His first round numbers in the primary will pribably be helped marginally by Lienemann going out of the race last Saturday. She is from the left of the party and had 5% in last week's Harris poll.
Peillon 375 (0.3% chance)
The big unknown. He officially announced his candidacy yesterday night. He has never appeared in a poll, thus his potential is unknown. His strength is that he was out of the public eye in the last three years but he also appears to improvise a campaign on the go following Hollande's decision not to run. At this price I took a small chance.
Same thing for Hamon, 825 (0.1% chance). In an unpredictable primary the (distant) third man could win it. I got him at 1000.
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Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.0 -
Possibly too early to make a prediction before we see the candidate. Ukip's performance will probably depend not on Nuttall, but on Labour's candidate. A 'Brexit means Brexit' candidate will mean a comfortable win.
A Southern, Jezza Metro with a Remain philosophy would be problematic. I suspect Labour will be too canny to make that mistake.0 -
When UKIP fought Clacton and Rochester in 2014 Carswell and Reckless were incumbents having defected from the Tories. The outcomes were UKIP holds not gains and cannot really be compared with other contests.0
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Has anyone got a link to this editorial? sounds worth a read.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.0 -
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.0 -
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.0 -
Casino on the last thread posted a phoneshot. Wouldn't bother - fairly trite cliches.foxinsoxuk said:
Has anyone got a link to this editorial? sounds worth a read.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.0 -
I too am intrigued....foxinsoxuk said:
Has anyone got a link to this editorial? sounds worth a read.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.0 -
No, just questioning whether it was a wise thing to do from a business perspective.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
Personally i'd be a little irritated because I go to Ronnie Scott's to escape from work and politics, but it's not the end of the world. Just turn over and ignore it (it wouldn't stop me going)0 -
As it seems to be the topic du jour, a few months after the referendum I went to a Jean-Michel Jarre concert at the O2. During one of his little speeches he addressed Brexit with a little Gallic shrug and sigh. Whilst it felt slightly out of place, it was not preaching and actually felt a little sad.
It was not classy at all by Ronnie Scotts. But neither side has shown much class at times.0 -
Chris, thanks for this post. Enlightening.Chris_from_Paris said:O/T French election - betting post
Last Betfair prices
Fillon 1.82 (54.9% chance of winning)
Sounds about right, as the clear favorite but with more than four months before the first round. Still a pretty good medium-term bet
Le Pen 4.8 (20.8% chance)
The only reason for the price is that many punters do not believe polls regarding a populist like Le Pen. No poll has her less than 30 points behind Fillon or less than 20 points behind Macron. Her only hope is to face a socialist on the second roundbut it seems unlikely.
No value at this price.
Macron 6.9 (14.9% chance)
Compared to Le Pen he has a more straightforward path to victory: face her in the second round. For that he still needs to finish in front of Fillon in the first round and it will be tough if a centrist (Valls or Fillon) emerges from the socialist primary.
Lots of variability but strong resistance around 7.
After his big public meeting last Saturday the next polls will show if he can put more pressure on Fillon (the meeting iself was a success but he was widely mocked for his over-the-top screams at the end of his speech http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/presidentielle/video-presidentielle-quand-emmanuel-macron-hurle-a-pleins-poumons-dans-son-micro_1963157.html ).
Valls 23 (4.3% chance)
Valls had a rough first week of campaigning, with most other primary candidates attacking him, weak poll numbers and Peillon joining the contest as a candidate of the "centrist" wing of the socialists.
After collapsing last week, the price has risen again to a more realistic level. Could be worth it a bit later during the primary.
Montebourg 37 (2.7%)
His poll numbers were stable: good for the primary (49% in a second round), terrible for the election. His price has logically converged a bit with Valls but it's hard to see value as long as he polls in fifth or sixth place for the general election. His first round numbers in the primary will pribably be helped marginally by Lienemann going out of the race last Saturday. She is from the left of the party and had 5% in last week's Harris poll.
Peillon 375 (0.3% chance)
The big unknown. He officially announced his candidacy yesterday night. He has never appeared in a poll, thus his potential is unknown. His strength is that he was out of the public eye in the last three years but he also appears to improvise a campaign on the go following Hollande's decision not to run. At this price I took a small chance.
Same thing for Hamon, 825 (0.1% chance). In an unpredictable primary the (distant) third man could win it. I got him at 1000.0 -
Burnham's view of a Red Brexit outside the Single Market is one that is likely to appeal in heartland areas like Leigh. He has done a shameless about face, but that is the right direction for Labour.CD13 said:Possibly too early to make a prediction before we see the candidate. Ukip's performance will probably depend not on Nuttall, but on Labour's candidate. A 'Brexit means Brexit' candidate will mean a comfortable win.
A Southern, Jezza Metro with a Remain philosophy would be problematic. I suspect Labour will be too canny to make that mistake.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-single-market-andy-burnham-labour-north-england-industry-uk-eu-a7466181.html?amp
I think that as well as tactically outflanking the kippers by backing Hard Brexit, it is also picking the winning side, because Hard Brexit is the destination.
Staying in the Single Market to follow rules writtten by others, and paying for the privilege, is not going to be acceptable to either the British Electorate or to the EU27. Hard Brexit is the default outcome, and what the British public expect.0 -
They need to be protected from their own stupidity. It's what responsible politicians do.foxinsoxuk said:
Burnham's view of a Red Brexit outside the Single Market is one that is likely to appeal in heartland areas like Leigh. He has done a shameless about face, but that is the right direction for Labour.CD13 said:Possibly too early to make a prediction before we see the candidate. Ukip's performance will probably depend not on Nuttall, but on Labour's candidate. A 'Brexit means Brexit' candidate will mean a comfortable win.
A Southern, Jezza Metro with a Remain philosophy would be problematic. I suspect Labour will be too canny to make that mistake.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-single-market-andy-burnham-labour-north-england-industry-uk-eu-a7466181.html?amp
I think that as well as tactically outflanking the kippers by backing Hard Brexit, it is also picking the winning side, because Hard Brexit is the destination.
Staying in the Single Market to follow rules writtten by others, and paying for the privilege, is not going to be acceptable to either the British Electorate or to the EU27. Hard Brexit is the default outcome, and what the British public expect.0 -
I lived in London for four years in my teens and early twenties, and Ronnie Scott's felt like some mythical place that existed only in the minds of the media. It didn't really exist. It couldn't exist.
I'm actually surprised to find relatively normal people go there, yet alone regularly!
Then again, I was much more into rave than Jazz.
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It seems a little arrogant to me in much the same way as luvvies, mainly of the Labour variety, like to declare their political allegiance every time a General Election comes around, as if the rest of us give a tinker's cuss, let alone be in the least influenced by their views.Charles said:
No, just questioning whether it was a wise thing to do from a business perspective.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
Personally i'd be a little irritated because I go to Ronnie Scott's to escape from work and politics, but it's not the end of the world. Just turn over and ignore it (it wouldn't stop me going)0 -
It seems quite reasonable, not least to warn punters that prices are going to be going up due to shortages of overseas staff, and the need to pay for bands with depreciating Sterling.Charles said:
Casino on the last thread posted a phoneshot. Wouldn't bother - fairly trite cliches.foxinsoxuk said:
Has anyone got a link to this editorial? sounds worth a read.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
The Limerick was terrible, doesn't scan at all. Perhaps it is a free jazz limerick.0 -
£150 a pop for the gig I'm going to. Normal people don't go there, as we see only too well.JosiasJessop said:I lived in London for four years in my teens and early twenties, and Ronnie Scott's felt like some mythical place that existed only in the minds of the media. It didn't really exist. It couldn't exist.
I'm actually surprised to find relatively normal people go there, yet alone regularly!
Then again, I was much more into rave than Jazz.
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Clearly Ronnie Scott's judgement is that it's not a problem for his business. I imagine he's right.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
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Wow.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.0 -
Mr Meeks,
I wonder if you and some other Remainers are suffering from a touch of Ukip-ophobia? An irrational fear of anything anti-Europe. Perhaps a better description is Anti-European federalism, but that's a bit long. The usual treatment is to introduce the things you fear a little at a time. There have been some promising results and it looks as if it's likely to occur naturally in the coming months.
And as fears of a united European recede, we'll automatically have the opposite treatment for extreme Kipperism.
I forecast a happier, more united UK in a year or two.0 -
There once was a man with a club,
Whose poem did make Leavers blub,
Through eyes full of tears,
It confirmed all their fears,
So they trooped out to go to the pub.
(Weatherspoons of course!)
;-)
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Many of us are still waiting for Phil Collins to leave, almost 20 years later...peter_from_putney said:
It seems a little arrogant to me in much the same way as luvvies, mainly of the Labour variety, like to declare their political allegiance every time a General Election comes around, as if the rest of us give a tinker's cuss, let alone be in the least influenced by their views.Charles said:
No, just questioning whether it was a wise thing to do from a business perspective.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
Personally i'd be a little irritated because I go to Ronnie Scott's to escape from work and politics, but it's not the end of the world. Just turn over and ignore it (it wouldn't stop me going)0 -
What little respect I had left for you has dissolved with your comments this morning. If you took the trouble to read the previous thread you will see there is more than one Remain supporter who agrees with me.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
I don't demand 'safe spaces' anywhere. What I don't expect is to be outright insulted as a regular customer of one of my favourite venues by its managing director. In this, the tone of how you say something is as important as what you say. But you think no crime is too great so long as directed at a Leaver, which you view as a sign of personal moral turpitude, excusing anything.
I have now tested to destruction the idea that at heart you might be a reasonable man. You are in fact rather nasty and bitter, and extremely rude, and you are not worth anymore of my time.
If ever you happen to be at a pb.com meet-up, don't bother even trying to talk to me.0 -
It's early to be awarded poster of the day, but I reckon you just clinched it!foxinsoxuk said:There once was a man with a club,
Whose poem did make Leavers blub,
Through eyes full of tears,
It confirmed all their fears,
So they trooped out to go to the pub.
(Weatherspoons of course!)
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Agreed: UKIP's best hope is that the LibDems put in a decent performance, dragging the Labour number down. With tactical voting from the conservatives, nuttall could make it. Albeit, this probably requires there LibDems to get more than 20%, almost all at the expense of the Labour vote.MarqueeMark said:UKIP has an ongoing problem whilst ever it can't get its Leader in Westminster. Leigh does look a tailor-made seat for Nuttall, but I doubt he'll get close. Be interesting too, to see if the LibDems can make ground after a desperately bad result in 2015. A sizeable anti-Corbyn Labour vote returning back to the LibDems might be UKIPs biggest helper in bringing Labour in range.
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Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.0 -
Question to which the answer is Ed Balls?CD13 said:Possibly too early to make a prediction before we see the candidate. Ukip's performance will probably depend not on Nuttall, but on Labour's candidate. A 'Brexit means Brexit' candidate will mean a comfortable win.
A Southern, Jezza Metro with a Remain philosophy would be problematic. I suspect Labour will be too canny to make that mistake.0 -
That only makes sense on employees if Brits wouldn't be seen dead working at Ronnie Scotts.foxinsoxuk said:
It seems quite reasonable, not least to warn punters that prices are going to be going up due to shortages of overseas staff, and the need to pay for bands with depreciating Sterling.Charles said:
Casino on the last thread posted a phoneshot. Wouldn't bother - fairly trite cliches.foxinsoxuk said:
Has anyone got a link to this editorial? sounds worth a read.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
The Limerick was terrible, doesn't scan at all. Perhaps it is a free jazz limerick.
And for those who read the limerick, toe-straighteners can be bought on eBay for 4.99.....0 -
Agreed. It would be nice if both sides did.JosiasJessop said:As it seems to be the topic du jour, a few months after the referendum I went to a Jean-Michel Jarre concert at the O2. During one of his little speeches he addressed Brexit with a little Gallic shrug and sigh. Whilst it felt slightly out of place, it was not preaching and actually felt a little sad.
It was not classy at all by Ronnie Scotts. But neither side has shown much class at times.0 -
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse.0 -
Dr Fox,
"So they trooped out to go to the pub."
Very good. But it would have to be a proper pub, not one with wall to wall tv and loud music.
Mr Royale, it's London, they're all weird down there.0 -
But it's good for sales, so expect lots more of it.Sandpit said:
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse.
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How leavey is Leigh? Manchester voted strongly Remain so the Remainers in its environs may be more passionate than average even if a minority in the seat. It will be a good test of how much Labour get squashed between UKIP and the Lib Dems.0
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In the hope of smoothing ruffled feathers and restoring some peace, may I commend to all, especially Mr Royale and Mr Meeks, this excellent article by Ian Hislop:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/age-outrage
Apologies if it has already been posted, but it bears rereading. Especially worth it for the joke at the end.0 -
Superbfoxinsoxuk said:There once was a man with a club,
Whose poem did make Leavers blub,
Through eyes full of tears,
It confirmed all their fears,
So they trooped out to go to the pub.
(Weatherspoons of course!)
;-)0 -
You weren't insulted, a business owner merely decided, perfectly reasonably, to offer his views of how Brexit would affect his business. I assume you don't pretend to know more about that than he does.Casino_Royale said:
What little respect I had left for you has dissolved with your comments this morning. If you took the trouble to read the previous thread you will see there is more than one Remain supporter who agrees with me.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
I don't demand 'safe spaces' anywhere. What I don't expect is to be outright insulted as a regular customer of one of my favourite venues by its managing director. In this, the tone of how you say something is as important as what you say. But you think no crime is too great so long as directed at a Leaver, which you view as a sign of personal moral turpitude, excusing anything.
I have now tested to destruction the idea that at heart you might be a reasonable man. You are in fact rather nasty and bitter, and extremely rude, and you are not worth anymore of my time.
If ever you happen to be at a pb.com meet-up, don't bother even trying to talk to me.
You chose to be offended, to post about your hurt feelings on a political discussion forum and then to insult anyone who took a different position to you on this most trivial of issues.
I'd say you have a bit of a problem.0 -
Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA0 -
yeah we should all follow SeanT's example of polite, restrained, temperate language and respectful discourseSandpit said:
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse. 0 -
Trump should just come out and say it, he does believe in 'one china' - and Beijing is definitely part of the Republic of China.williamglenn said:Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA0 -
It just goes to prove that no good comes from jazz. Like reggae, it's music for the deaf.0
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Good morning, everyone.0
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you are Morissey, and I claim my five pounds!SouthamObserver said:It just goes to prove that no good comes from jazz. Like reggae, it's music for the deaf.
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Unfortunately so. Outrage sells papers and generates clicks.Innocent_Abroad said:
But it's good for sales, so expect lots more of it.Sandpit said:
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse.0 -
Morning conjugations
I am gratuitously insulted.
You are a special snowflake.
He needs a safe space.
We are waycist.
You are bigots.
They are homophobes.0 -
I like the euphemism in the People's Daily:Pulpstar said:
Trump should just come out and say it, he does believe in 'one china' - and Beijing is definitely part of the Republic of China.williamglenn said:Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA
When the time comes, the Chinese mainland will launch a series of "decisive new policies toward Taiwan", the paper said.0 -
We should be extremely thankful such people exist as they played a small but crucial part in ensuring we voted to leave the EU. Had they shown a little bit more self awareness and willingness to engage with those whose views differed from theirs perhaps we would have voted to remain.Casino_Royale said:
What little respect I had left for you has dissolved with your comments this morning. If you took the trouble to read the previous thread you will see there is more than one Remain supporter who agrees with me.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
I don't demand 'safe spaces' anywhere. What I don't expect is to be outright insulted as a regular customer of one of my favourite venues by its managing director. In this, the tone of how you say something is as important as what you say. But you think no crime is too great so long as directed at a Leaver, which you view as a sign of personal moral turpitude, excusing anything.
I have now tested to destruction the idea that at heart you might be a reasonable man. You are in fact rather nasty and bitter, and extremely rude, and you are not worth anymore of my time.
If ever you happen to be at a pb.com meet-up, don't bother even trying to talk to me.0 -
Trump's China policy is better than Obama's.0
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I'm still laughing at the idea that the genre that produced Strange Fruit and Mississippi Goddam should somehow be beyond direct commentary on politics.0
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I can honestly say that I stopped reading Mr Meeks entirely months ago. The value of his betting insight is totally outweighed by the enormity of his unprovoked unpleasantness. I'm sure he won't care a jot that I have him on Ignore, and I'd be equally unconcerned that he reciprocated.Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
For longer standing PBers - it's well known that we don't have any time for each other.0 -
Lol. At least he is witty even when drunk, and has a very good way with words.dugarbandier said:
yeah we should all follow SeanT's example of polite, restrained, temperate language and respectful discourseSandpit said:
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse.0 -
As a greenish Libdem, if I lived in Leigh my motivation would be to stop Nuttall, and I would vote Labour. Therein lies UKIP's problem. More people dislike them than like them.0
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I wonder if they use 中華民國 or 大員 in the People's Daily.williamglenn said:
I like the euphemism in the People's Daily:Pulpstar said:
Trump should just come out and say it, he does believe in 'one china' - and Beijing is definitely part of the Republic of China.williamglenn said:Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA
When the time comes, the Chinese mainland will launch a series of "decisive new policies toward Taiwan", the paper said.0 -
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Did Casino post the whole of that Ronnie Scott editorial? I am really struggling to see from what was posted where the offence would be caused. Unless you are David Cameron. It looks like a couple of statements of fact: most of the club's employees are from overseas and the falling pound makes booking American bands more expensive. I genuinely can't understand the problem with a jazz club tellings its customers those things. It was a crap limerick, though.0
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Raving was much fun. Although the bit 72 hours afterwards wasn't so much.JosiasJessop said:I lived in London for four years in my teens and early twenties, and Ronnie Scott's felt like some mythical place that existed only in the minds of the media. It didn't really exist. It couldn't exist.
I'm actually surprised to find relatively normal people go there, yet alone regularly!
Then again, I was much more into rave than Jazz.0 -
Between Trump and Boris, international diplomacy just got a lot more, umm, interesting.Pulpstar said:
Trump should just come out and say it, he does believe in 'one china' - and Beijing is definitely part of the Republic of China.williamglenn said:Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA0 -
I quite like reggae but really don't understand jazz. To me it's a series of random sounds stitched together into an unmelodic mess that is then worshipped as a revelationSouthamObserver said:It just goes to prove that no good comes from jazz. Like reggae, it's music for the deaf.
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And due to proximity, they don't even have to be intercontinental ballistic policies.williamglenn said:
I like the euphemism in the People's Daily:Pulpstar said:
Trump should just come out and say it, he does believe in 'one china' - and Beijing is definitely part of the Republic of China.williamglenn said:Trump puts support for the one China policy explicitly on the table.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1400UA
When the time comes, the Chinese mainland will launch a series of "decisive new policies toward Taiwan", the paper said.0 -
spot of political jazz (quite beautiful IMHO).Blue_rog said:
I quite like reggae but really don't understand jazz. To me it's a series of random sounds stitched together into an unmelodic mess that is then worshipped as a revelationSouthamObserver said:It just goes to prove that no good comes from jazz. Like reggae, it's music for the deaf.
or, as yr man says "Nice"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saN1BwlxJxA
and, even in Black and white, a colourful suit!0 -
Yeah, 'fuck off traitor' was one of his best.Sandpit said:
Lol. At least he is witty even when drunk, and has a very good way with words.dugarbandier said:
yeah we should all follow SeanT's example of polite, restrained, temperate language and respectful discourseSandpit said:
As you said it's the polarisation of political opinion, also seen in the US. Either you're on 'our' side or you're an evil ***ist...Casino_Royale said:
Yes, SeanT is a good egg.Sandpit said:
I see @SeanT has gone into battle for you on Twitter. What chance some journo picks this up?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. It was my weekend, my evening, my money and I was outright insulted in a club I love and made to feel totally unwelcome. That hurt.
I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
On journalism, who knows. It's just be nice if each side could show each other a bit more respect. But many on each side aren't even bothering to listen to each other and, worse, don't care.
We all have to live together, after all.
It's not good for regular discourse.0 -
There was a jazz club in the west end
With a magazine that sought to offend
A leaver cried with salt tears
This is sum of my fears
A brexit safe space would be a godsend
(try Hartlepool shouted the crowd)0 -
You could always tell the people who were on e. You'd get into the club at ten, and by two in the morning be drenched in sweat and utterly knackered from the dancing. I'd end up in the chill-out room, resting. If it was the Astoria I'd sit on the bass speakers, my legs jumping in and out with the beat.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Raving was much fun. Although the bit 72 hours afterwards wasn't so much.JosiasJessop said:I lived in London for four years in my teens and early twenties, and Ronnie Scott's felt like some mythical place that existed only in the minds of the media. It didn't really exist. It couldn't exist.
I'm actually surprised to find relatively normal people go there, yet alone regularly!
Then again, I was much more into rave than Jazz.
Yet the e-heads would be there from ten until kick-out time at six or eight, dancing nearly continuously. Or so it seemed.
Some friends called me the 'straight' one; not because I was heterosexual, but because I didn't do drugs. Drugs, and especially e, were that much part of the fabric amongst the hardcore ravers.
It all feels like a different life now.0 -
I would imagine Leigh will be a Labour hold but UKIP will aim to take enough Labour Leave votes to overtake the Tories and come a close second. The LDs polled well below their national score at the last general election and while they will hope to increase their voteshare will likely stay fourth0
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I like about half a dozen tracks from both genres. Jazz gets right on my wick in a way only opera can replicate - stab me with a fork instead.Blue_rog said:
I quite like reggae but really don't understand jazz. To me it's a series of random sounds stitched together into an unmelodic mess that is then worshipped as a revelationSouthamObserver said:It just goes to prove that no good comes from jazz. Like reggae, it's music for the deaf.
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Mr. Divvie, my favourite piece of recent Chinese polite menace was when their fighters approached a plane (being deliberately flown in 'their' airspace in the South China Sea) requesting it turn around to prevent 'miscalculations'.
Presumably in surface-to-air missile batteries...0 -
O/T - This was pointed out to me by George Peretz QC last evening. It may well (if correct, and he certainly believes it to be) very pertinent to betting on leaving the EU.
http://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/brexit-foundational-constitutional-and-interpretive-principles-ii/
I would suggest that it creates a situation where a second referendum is almost inevitable, otherwise Parliament will be the one taking the decision to remain. The other interpretation of this is that Brexit will be delayed until after the 2020 election, and it will be fought on the line of carrying through Leaving or unilateral withdrawal of notification.0 -
What about his Russia policy?MaxPB said:Trump's China policy is better than Obama's.
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Miss Plato, I must agree on jazz. Its appeal is beyond me.
Surely you must like at least some opera? What about the British classic "Just one Cornetto"?0 -
Agreed. Ronnie used to appear every evening and do exactltly the same intro...."I went to Grimsby this week-end. It was closed.....If Typhoo put the tea in Britain who put the cunt in Scunthorpe......" A five minute monologue about the drearyness of the North.AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs. Pathetic.Charles said:
There's a time and a place for everything.AlastairMeeks said:
Ok, I'll address this to you directly. I think your complaint is unspeakably precious. All those years that normal members of humanity have had to listen to drivelling loonies go on about the unspeakable horrors of the EU at every opportunity, no matter how tangential, and you're complaining about having occasion to read a well-argued editorial in a magazine?Casino_Royale said:
Nice to hear you have such little respect for those who you don't agree with, even when they are known to you individually.AlastairMeeks said:Leavers demand safe spaces in jazz clubs?
Snort.
It's not "Leavers", it's me. I don't know why you insist on bracketing everyone together as a group every time someone who didn't vote the way you did makes a point.
Probably because it makes it easier for you to be ruder.
I think your complaint on this occasion strays beyond absurd and into padded cell territory. You can have your views on the EU. You can't complain when others have different views and express them.
Would you write an article in a magazine sent to customers saying all Tories are idiots? I wouldn't because it might be bad for business.
Soho is the antithethis of Brexit. The most cosmopolitan place in the UK. If Ronnie was still alive he'd be delighted if Sean's tweets kept out the Brexiteers. He'd have loathed them and It would have given him some new material for his intros0 -
The "Go Compare" guy has killed opera as a serious art form.....Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I must agree on jazz. Its appeal is beyond me.
Surely you must like at least some opera? What about the British classic "Just one Cornetto"?0 -
I can think of maybe that half a dozen tracks thing again. I've tried and failed with those genres. The ladies voices tend to make me wince. I watched dozens of musicals with operatic singers as a kid too.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I must agree on jazz. Its appeal is beyond me.
Surely you must like at least some opera? What about the British classic "Just one Cornetto"?0 -
I don't know what it is yet.logical_song said:
What about his Russia policy?MaxPB said:Trump's China policy is better than Obama's.
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I instantly mute those. And the Jacobs cracker ones.MarqueeMark said:
The "Go Compare" guy has killed opera as a serious art form.....Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I must agree on jazz. Its appeal is beyond me.
Surely you must like at least some opera? What about the British classic "Just one Cornetto"?0 -
Mr. Mark, true, alas.
Mr. Roger, that just betrays the fellow's ignorance of the North and his lack of humour.
It's Filey that closes at weekends, not Grimsby.0 -
Picture didn't work on my.phone so if anyone has the text I'd be interested...SouthamObserver said:Did Casino post the whole of that Ronnie Scott editorial? I am really struggling to see from what was posted where the offence would be caused. Unless you are David Cameron. It looks like a couple of statements of fact: most of the club's employees are from overseas and the falling pound makes booking American bands more expensive. I genuinely can't understand the problem with a jazz club tellings its customers those things. It was a crap limerick, though.
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