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Not just there:williamglenn said:
No, they launch theirs from Kazakhstan.JosiasJessop said:
You also want it on the east coast, so stages - or even failed rockets - fall into the sea, or at least on someone else's territory.Pulpstar said:
Wouldn't cornwall (Or even BVI) have been superior due to being closer to the equator ?JosiasJessop said:Prestwick spaceport.
LOL.
Seems quite far north for a spaceport !
The Russians don't bother about this, basically because they don't care about the steppes.
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An interesting observation from the ever-excellent Andrew Sparrow on the Guardian live-blog:
Thornberry was forensic and effective, and her line of attack was interesting because it suggests that customs union membership, not single market membership, is now emerging as the key Brexit demand around which Labour is now coalescing.
Customs union membership does make a lot of sense, most particularly for the car industry, and Labour could very reasonably argue for this as their preferred form of Brexit. They'd get substantial support both from MPs of other parties, and from business (although not universally - the CBI is split on this point). At the very least it would be a defensible position for Labour.0 -
What's happened in court ?AlastairMeeks said:"Overrule" now down to 3/1. Still quite a way too long in my opinion.
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Trump wins Time POTY.0
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Andrew Sparrow:
Snap PMQs verdict: Theresa May won’t have to worry about being outshone by David Lidington. He did an acceptable job of not answering Emily Thornberry’s questions about Brexit and the customs union, but other ministers have flannelled on this subject with a lot more flair and Lidington’s final splurge of Labour-bashing, in his final response, didn’t really come off. Thornberry was forensic and effective, and her line of attack was interesting because it suggests that customs union membership, not single market membership, is emerging as the key Brexit demand around which Labour is now coalescing. Perhaps that is because some in the Corbyn team are ambivalent about SM membership, because of the restrictions it would impose on the use of socialist instruments like state aid? Overall, then, a solid win for Thornberry.
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Not Farage - sure he will be asking why not mewilliamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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Kerchingwilliamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
06/12/2016 Single To Win
Donald Trump @ 1/2
Time Person Of The Year
Time Person of the Year 2016 £34.08 Pending
(Less £2 saver on Putin @ 25s)
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RF is weird, and tracking down RF interference sources can be extremely troublesome.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Fantastic! What a great language Python is for quick and dirty modelling and data analysis.JosiasJessop said:
That is superb. Truly superb.Tissue_Price said:This explanation of how the Singapore Tube solved a mysterious problem will appeal to plenty on here:
https://blog.data.gov.sg/how-we-caught-the-circle-line-rogue-train-with-data-79405c86ab6a#.ijykfpg0j
Now they know the train, I'd love to know the cause of the interference.
And yes, I was hoping to see that question answered too.
I wonder if you can fit a train in a screened room ...
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Well that was the easiest money I've ever made.williamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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About time the markets got something right.williamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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Dr Evil wins - not mini-me - as Mr Meeks pointed out earlier....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not Farage - sure he will be asking why not mewilliamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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They didn't get it right. The odds should have been something like 1.05.DecrepitJohnL said:
About time the markets got something right.williamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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This is all very amusing. So much knashing of teeth over something so trivial.williamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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Very few are arguing that a simple Commons vote is sufficient. The govt position is that it already has the power; those challenging it, on the other hand, believe that only a full Act of Parliament can undo the provisions of the 1972 ECA.IanB2 said:Is anyone clear whether the Tory amendment to the motion discharges the requirement for a commons vote, should they lose the court case? Personally I would be surprised.
The amendment is about politics rather than process.0 -
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1-10 Trump, 20s Putin, 50s Erdogan, 150 Farage, 300s any of the rest.Richard_Nabavi said:
They didn't get it right. The odds should have been something like 1.05.DecrepitJohnL said:
About time the markets got something right.williamglenn said:Trump wins Time POTY.
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Mr. Eagles, you can't discount the events of 2016 when looking at earlier concepts. It's like when RTD buggered up Who canon with the Time War or when the new trilogy threw out the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Alas, poor Grand Admiral Thrawn.0 -
"Now that Brexit will happen, the EU will learn from its mistakes"tyson said:In my view, sooner or later, an EU referendum was a certainty.
Remain might have won in an alternate universe, but not by much, and I doubt the issue would have gone away.
The drivers were the fundamentals around globalisation, identity, migration and the political direction of the EU, not personalities.
@Casino
A thoughtful response...and I probably would agree with you over a pint.
Do you not think though that Brexit could be counter productive for the EU phobes? If Britain had stayed in, the EU was on the verge of collapse in the next years, a Grillo, or Le Pen away.
Now that Brexit will happen, the EU will learn from it's mistakes and thrive in the future. In effect Brexit has made it a loss less likely that the EU will collapse...and the UK will pay an economic price.
EU phobes were on the verge of their dream of witnessing the end of the EU. A little bit of patience....... pulling the trigger on Brexit could have set back their cause a generation or more.
Well, it's possible. More likely is that the Juncker Class will take the opportunity of the recalcitrant disembarking to push on even faster with The Project, ignoring the rising tide of Euroscepticism on the continent.0 -
Steve Baker publically calls out a succession of BBC journalists for contacting him seeking to create and manufacture stories of back bench rebellion and demands BBC sticks to its charter requirements on accuracy and impartiality
He should have included Sky, Chanel 4 and ITV0 -
No reason a version of him could not be used in a new continuity. Books and movies are different, as early star wars novelisations show only too well I understand. Like comic book movies,I imagine the movies will liberally pick the best stories and characters and incorporate them in some fashion.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, you can't discount the events of 2016 when looking at earlier concepts. It's like when RTD buggered up Who canon with the Time War or when the new trilogy threw out the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Alas, poor Grand Admiral Thrawn.0 -
I would like to think that the government is using this time to sort out its negotiating position, though this is Fox, Davis and Boris we're talking about.foxinsoxuk said:
We will have wasted 4 months before finding out, and lost government momentum in the meantime.Scott_P said:
There is a non-zero chance that a one line bill will be insufficientAndy_Cooke said:What's the route to incurring any delays?
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Given the arguments presented to the High Court, I can't see that as being probable, surely?Scott_P said:
It depends what needs to be in it. If it needs to be "the Great repeal Bill", them months, or years.Andy_Cooke said:How long does it take to write a longer Bill, whip it through, threaten to deselect MPs on the Government bench who don't support it unamended and get Parliament dissolved if MPs cause delays or issues?
The category one rights (domestic rights for domestic people) would be the only thing in that category, and a statement in the Bill that existing rights conveyed will be brought into legislation, and for the avoidance of doubt, they remain in force by the authority of this Bill until that legislation is drafted and passed. If they want to be really picky about it, get someone to go through the list of rights conveyed by EU legislation and list them in an Annex with a link to the EU legislation in question, stating that they are expressed as of the date of drafting of this Bill. If that takes more than a day or so to put together, someone's being very inefficient.
The loss of category 2 and 3 rights are the entire reason for the need for the Bill in the first place, so its existence would satisfy the constitution - Parliament would have approved their loss.
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It hasn't been delayed.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a case of delaying it enough and hoping (God forbid planning) that 'events dear boy' and economic headwinds result in strong and sustained reversals in popular opinion regarding Brexit, and there's widespread public appetite to 'make it stop' and 'do something', and we stay in - perhaps on the basis of EUref 2. The advance guard of breathless media stories on what slathering racist scumbags we've all suddenly become since the vote is obviously well underway. It's standard procedure.Andy_Cooke said:
How much delay has this caused or would this cause to the timeline of issuing A50 invocation in March next year?Luckyguy1983 said:
Why do you accept this isn't the case? That's exactly what it is. And although I fully agree with Big G's sentiments and applaud him for them, the phrase 'out of touch elite' is very much passed its sell-by date too. It gives the impression of a bunch of remote but kindly aristocrats who would change their ways if they could only see the suffering of the hard working tenants. In fact the elite is very much in touch with what the people want; it's just not what they want. So they will continue to try and wriggle out of it.midwinter said:
I voted Remain, however if I had been a leaver I would be decidedly unimpressed by what appears to be part of the Establishment desperately attempting to subvert the result of the referendum.MikeSmithson said:
The backlash will be against the loony Brextremists.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Very true. There is a backlash coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:My instincts tell me that the Supreme Court and remainers may win but will lose the war in the eyes of the voter.
I believe that this will lead to increasing anger with the out of touch left elite and those threatening to stop Brexit.
I expect to see many remainers siding with leavers as an injustice is perceived to be happening. You can throw as much common law as you like at trying to subvert the will of the people but it will only increase the reasons why Brexit happened, as well as Trump and this week Italy.
Remainers are playing with fire.
I accept thats not the case but it doesn't look good to the man in the street.
How does this allow the establishment to stop Brexit over the will of Government?
TMay's plan was for the end of March and we're not even at the middle of December.0 -
I presume she was an eastern European immigrantJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I was just at a supermarket. The checkout lady was having trouble scanning something.
"Sorry," she said. "I've been away for three months, and it's like I'm starting again."
"Been anywhere nice?" I asked.
"Jail."
There wasn't much I could say to that.0 -
I think if Leavers are worried about losing an election to Corbyn - one that's specifically on the grounds of Brexit and where more than 400 constituencies voted to Leave...Lennon said:
Obviously it's not technically a given that they would be returned with a majority in the HoC... (stop laughing at the back) - so sorting out a coalition / supply and confidence agreement might be required and take time.Andy_Cooke said:
In January.TGOHF said:
I doubt anyone can answer that convincingly until the judgement in January.Andy_Cooke said:
How much delay has this caused or would this cause to the timeline of issuing A50 invocation in March next year?Luckyguy1983 said:
Why do you accept this isn't the case? That's exactly what it is. And although I fully agree with Big G's sentiments and applaud him for them, the phrase 'out of touch elite' is very much passed its sell-by date too. It gives the impression of a bunch of remote but kindly aristocrats who would change their ways if they could only see the suffering of the hard working tenants. In fact the elite is very much in touch with what the people want; it's just not what they want. So they will continue to try and wriggle out of it.midwinter said:
I voted Remain, however if I had been a leaver I would be decidedly unimpressed by what appears to be part of the Establishment desperately attempting to subvert the result of the referendum.MikeSmithson said:
The backlash will be against the loony Brextremists.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Very true. There is a backlash coming.
I accept thats not the case but it doesn't look good to the man in the street.
How does this allow the establishment to stop Brexit over the will of Government?
Govt win = zero delay.
Govt lose = push a short Bill through Parliament. Three months to complete a task that can be completed in days.
If Parliament does, bizarrely, play silly buggers, maximum of two weeks to get Parliament dissolved, 6 weeks to have new elections, push Bill through immediately and you've still got weeks of leeway before causing even one day of delays.
What's the route to incurring any delays?
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Which Leavers are these? The LGBT partners of unicorns?Andy_Cooke said:
I think if Leavers are worried about losing an election to Corbyn - one that's specifically on the grounds of Brexit and where more than 400 constituencies voted to Leave...Lennon said:
Obviously it's not technically a given that they would be returned with a majority in the HoC... (stop laughing at the back) - so sorting out a coalition / supply and confidence agreement might be required and take time.Andy_Cooke said:
In January.TGOHF said:
I doubt anyone can answer that convincingly until the judgement in January.Andy_Cooke said:
How much delay has this caused or would this cause to the timeline of issuing A50 invocation in March next year?Luckyguy1983 said:
Why do you accept this isn't the case? That's exactly what it is. And although I fully agree with Big G's sentiments and applaud him for them, the phrase 'out of touch elite' is very much passed its sell-by date too. It gives the impression of a bunch of remote but kindly aristocrats who would change their ways if they could only see the suffering of the hard working tenants. In fact the elite is very much in touch with what the people want; it's just not what they want. So they will continue to try and wriggle out of it.midwinter said:
I voted Remain, however if I had been a leaver I would be decidedly unimpressed by what appears to be part of the Establishment desperately attempting to subvert the result of the referendum.MikeSmithson said:
The backlash will be against the loony Brextremists.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Very true. There is a backlash coming.
I accept thats not the case but it doesn't look good to the man in the street.
How does this allow the establishment to stop Brexit over the will of Government?
Govt win = zero delay.
Govt lose = push a short Bill through Parliament. Three months to complete a task that can be completed in days.
If Parliament does, bizarrely, play silly buggers, maximum of two weeks to get Parliament dissolved, 6 weeks to have new elections, push Bill through immediately and you've still got weeks of leeway before causing even one day of delays.
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Exactly.PlatoSaid said:
Which Leavers are these? The LGBT partners of unicorns?Andy_Cooke said:
I think if Leavers are worried about losing an election to Corbyn - one that's specifically on the grounds of Brexit and where more than 400 constituencies voted to Leave...Lennon said:
Obviously it's not technically a given that they would be returned with a majority in the HoC... (stop laughing at the back) - so sorting out a coalition / supply and confidence agreement might be required and take time.Andy_Cooke said:
In January.TGOHF said:
I doubt anyone can answer that convincingly until the judgement in January.Andy_Cooke said:
How much delay has this caused or would this cause to the timeline of issuing A50 invocation in March next year?Luckyguy1983 said:
Why do you accept this isn't the case? That's exactly what it is. And although I fully agree with Big G's sentiments and applaud him for them, the phrase 'out of touch elite' is very much passed its sell-by date too. It gives the impression of a bunch of remote but kindly aristocrats who would change their ways if they could only see the suffering of the hard working tenants. In fact the elite is very much in touch with what the people want; it's just not what they want. So they will continue to try and wriggle out of it.midwinter said:
I voted Remain, however if I had been a leaver I would be decidedly unimpressed by what appears to be part of the Establishment desperately attempting to subvert the result of the referendum.MikeSmithson said:
The backlash will be against the loony Brextremists.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Very true. There is a backlash coming.
I accept thats not the case but it doesn't look good to the man in the street.
How does this allow the establishment to stop Brexit over the will of Government?
Govt win = zero delay.
Govt lose = push a short Bill through Parliament. Three months to complete a task that can be completed in days.
If Parliament does, bizarrely, play silly buggers, maximum of two weeks to get Parliament dissolved, 6 weeks to have new elections, push Bill through immediately and you've still got weeks of leeway before causing even one day of delays.
What's the route to incurring any delays?
I don't think anyone on any side is really giving that much fear.0 -
I'm assuming they used the outstanding PythonAnywhere...FeersumEnjineeya said:
Fantastic! What a great language Python is for quick and dirty modelling and data analysis.JosiasJessop said:
That is superb. Truly superb.Tissue_Price said:This explanation of how the Singapore Tube solved a mysterious problem will appeal to plenty on here:
https://blog.data.gov.sg/how-we-caught-the-circle-line-rogue-train-with-data-79405c86ab6a#.ijykfpg0j
Now they know the train, I'd love to know the cause of the interference.
And yes, I was hoping to see that question answered too.0
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