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Not only that, inaccurate, too:Monksfield said:
Naked intimidation.IanB2 said:I see the daily mail today moves onto publishing photos and details of the Supreme Court judges.
"All four judges to rule on the Government's Brexit case have links to Europe"
All four ?
Um, how many judges will be sitting ?0 -
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.0 -
That's bad news. Shades of the London storm on 23 June, when much of the transport system collapsed?MikeL said:"A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters"
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/?ex_cid=2016-forecast0 -
No! He's suggested 3 new runways. Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansteadmatt said:
I'm away but I presume it's a case of "its unnecessary". If so, he made that argument about the building of T2 in Dublin. If that hadn't been built then the airport would now be very capacity constrained (let's not mention the 2nd runway though).Blue_rog said:Ugh, just found myself agreeing with Michael O'Leary re airport expansion
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Most will vote for Hillary but some will stay at home and some will vote for Stein, a small minority will even vote for TrumpDecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, the key to the election, and why the polls might be wrong, is the previously non-voting Bernie supporters. Will they stay at home, vote for Hillary as a Democrat, or vote for the Donald as NOTA?HYUFD said:
Yes, he is still making a play for some 'Berniebots'williamglenn said:
That video Plato posted was very Sanders friendly. Apparently this is on rotation in the swing states.HYUFD said:Trump is still pushing most of the protectionist stuff as far as I can see
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The Attack Of The Clintons
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That's a good piece from Ashcroft about the similarities and differences between the Brexit vote and the Trump phenomenon.NickPalmer said:
They misread their targets (if they genuine hope to shift the vote). Judges are so allergic to being pressured that it risks overriding a neutral assessment of the case.Monksfield said:
Naked intimidation.IanB2 said:I see the daily mail today moves onto publishing photos and details of the Supreme Court judges.
Interesting Ashcroft assessment of the Trump-Brexit analogy:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/11/donald-trump-is-like-brexit-in-three-key-ways/0 -
He's a sleeper agent for #LibDemFightback ?Blue_rog said:
No! He's suggested 3 new runways. Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansteadmatt said:
I'm away but I presume it's a case of "its unnecessary". If so, he made that argument about the building of T2 in Dublin. If that hadn't been built then the airport would now be very capacity constrained (let's not mention the 2nd runway though).Blue_rog said:Ugh, just found myself agreeing with Michael O'Leary re airport expansion
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4 events contacts far more voters than 1 and Pennsylvania is not going to be decided by one voteedmundintokyo said:Problem with scheduling like 4 events in one day that HYUFD was so impressed by: Trump running several hours late, leaving mostly-elderly supporters standing around getting annoyed at him.
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It is; well written, insightful and succinct!Sandpit said:
That's a good piece from Ashcroft about the similarities and differences between the Brexit vote and the Trump phenomenon.NickPalmer said:
They misread their targets (if they genuine hope to shift the vote). Judges are so allergic to being pressured that it risks overriding a neutral assessment of the case.Monksfield said:
Naked intimidation.IanB2 said:I see the daily mail today moves onto publishing photos and details of the Supreme Court judges.
Interesting Ashcroft assessment of the Trump-Brexit analogy:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/11/donald-trump-is-like-brexit-in-three-key-ways/0 -
You have turned into a one-man Trumper rebuttal machine!!HYUFD said:
4 events contacts far more voters than 1 and Pennsylvania is not going to be decided by one voteedmundintokyo said:Problem with scheduling like 4 events in one day that HYUFD was so impressed by: Trump running several hours late, leaving mostly-elderly supporters standing around getting annoyed at him.
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On balance that's no reversal - runways good, terminals bad. Given Ryanair's 20 minute turn around that's no surprise though.Blue_rog said:
No! He's suggested 3 new runways. Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansteadmatt said:
I'm away but I presume it's a case of "its unnecessary". If so, he made that argument about the building of T2 in Dublin. If that hadn't been built then the airport would now be very capacity constrained (let's not mention the 2nd runway though).Blue_rog said:Ugh, just found myself agreeing with Michael O'Leary re airport expansion
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Farage is planning to march on the Court with a load of his fellow pitchforkers apparently.Nigelb said:
Not only that, inaccurate, too:Monksfield said:
Naked intimidation.IanB2 said:I see the daily mail today moves onto publishing photos and details of the Supreme Court judges.
"All four judges to rule on the Government's Brexit case have links to Europe"
All four ?
Um, how many judges will be sitting ?0 -
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
The similarities are the white working and lower middle cllass for Trump/Leave, white college graduates for Hillary/Remain, minorities for Hillary/Remain, the old for Trump/Leave, the young for Hillary/Remain. The differences are the Hispanic vote in the US which is not present in the UK which will be an advantage for Hillary and the libertarian vote in the US will be voting for Johnson not Trump whereas in the UK it voted for Leave. The latter two factors are probably enough to give Hillary the edge and produce a Hillary victory but remember the final UK poll average had Remain ahead by 0. 5% and Leave won by 4%, Hillary's average poll lead is not so big a similar error could not produce a narrow Trump won, at least in the popular vote, if the white working class turnout in the US to the extent they did in the UKSandpit said:
That's a good piece from Ashcroft about the similarities and differences between the Brexit vote and the Trump phenomenon.NickPalmer said:
They misread their targets (if they genuine hope to shift the vote). Judges are so allergic to being pressured that it risks overriding a neutral assessment of the case.Monksfield said:
Naked intimidation.IanB2 said:I see the daily mail today moves onto publishing photos and details of the Supreme Court judges.
Interesting Ashcroft assessment of the Trump-Brexit analogy:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/11/donald-trump-is-like-brexit-in-three-key-ways/0 -
Ryan is now seen as a RINO by the base and losing VP nominees, as he was in 2012, almost never get the nomination. It will also be difficult for him to match the level of opposition to Hillary Cruz will show in the Senate, as Speaker he will have to make a few compromisesSandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Unpaid, I hope the Donald appreciates my efforts!Jobabob said:
You have turned into a one-man Trumper rebuttal machine!!HYUFD said:
4 events contacts far more voters than 1 and Pennsylvania is not going to be decided by one voteedmundintokyo said:Problem with scheduling like 4 events in one day that HYUFD was so impressed by: Trump running several hours late, leaving mostly-elderly supporters standing around getting annoyed at him.
https://twitter.com/sarahmccammon/status/7954661776948592680 -
Paul Ryan is fuckedSandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
I question whether he is now acceptable to the base in a way Cruz or Pence are. The latter two are more likely in my view and Cruz was runner-up this year and cleverly distanced himself from Trump at the beginning before now giving him a clearer endorsement than Ryan has thus ensuring he is better placed to pick up Trump voters in the 2012 primaries without being identified too closely with a losing Trump campaign which Pence would bercs1000 said:
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Put it like this - if the GOTV tomorrow isn't VERY heavily skewed towards the male,pale and stale then this will be a procession.Sandpit said:Morning all. So here we are, 24 hours to go and Betfair says it's a clear win for Hillary, back in to 1.21 this morning. Do we agree that Florida, Pennsylvania and Nevada are the key States to watch?
However there is a very large potential pool of MPS who didn't vote last time.
As has been mentioned two Republican states declare early.
Indiana - which would need a Trump +15 exit poll to make life interesting.
Kentucky - which would need a Trump +25 exit poll to make life interesting.
Anything less than that and you can probably pour onto the swing states for HRC. If it is above that then I am sorry but you're going to have a late (but exciting) night.
(Fortunately most swing states are in the East so by 2.00am we will know the result (Unless Nevada is required))0 -
Ryan is a dead end. He's more of a dead end than Scott Walker.rcs1000 said:
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Cruz has poisoned himself to the never Trump crowd.HYUFD said:
I question whether he is now acceptable to the base in a way Cruz or Pence are. The latter two are more likely in my view and Cruz was runner-up this year and cleverly distanced himself from Trump at the beginning before now giving him a clearer endorsement than Ryan has thus ensuring he is better placed to pick up Trump voters in the 2012 primaries without being identified too closely with a losing Trump campaign which Pence would bercs1000 said:
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Ryan is going to have a though time getting re elected as speaker. I wouldn't bet on him.rcs1000 said:
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0 -
Never Trump voters are now just a tiny minority of GOP votersAlistair said:
Cruz has poisoned himself to the never Trump crowd.HYUFD said:
I question whether he is now acceptable to the base in a way Cruz or Pence are. The latter two are more likely in my view and Cruz was runner-up this year and cleverly distanced himself from Trump at the beginning before now giving him a clearer endorsement than Ryan has thus ensuring he is better placed tos in the 2012 primaries without being identified too closely with a losing Trump campaign which Pence would bercs1000 said:
Agreed, I'm on Ryan for 2020: acceptable to the base, intelligent, clean cut.Sandpit said:
If it's anything bar a Clinton landslide, she's in danger of being able to pass precisely nothing through the House for at least the first two years.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's not Trumpsters but House Republicans who will refuse to accept the result. Heck, half of them won't even work with their own side: ask John Boehner.CD13 said:Assuming Hillary wins, do you reckon the Trumpers will accept the result or go down the road of the Bitter Remainers and try to stop her being appointed?
Fancy not accepting the result. So different, so very different, from our own dear voters.
Paul Ryan might be a good bet to run in 2020 - if he can ensure the Republicans make Hillary a completely lame duck for four years, he'll be monumentally popular with his own side.0
